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Try not to scare away players coming to WAR from WoW
BruceYee
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Alright, I first have to start by saying this is just a suggestion by someone who since the release of the game, does not agree with the road we're heading down as a community. It's also not easy to come off the lurker train and actually get the cajones to make a full post. Especially one with opinions.
As someone who has a brief history with MMO'S(1st SWG(Ahazi), 2nd WoW(Blackrock), 3rd LOTRO(Silverlode), 4th WAR(Badlands) I have found that my personal gaming experience is directly tied in to the community. Although I'm sure this is not true for all gamers, I like to have the best experience possible when logging on for those few hours in a day and not have the poo flung at me.
These days your MMO history is your gaming resume. For a lot of people WoW was their first MMO. Maybe they liked the Mr. T commercial or joined to play with freinds. Either way they're now here to stay(hopefully) and with rose colored glasses searching their available MMO options for a new home.
I know the theme of the game is WAR in all it's brutal glory but in real life you're not a big green orc and the person on the other side of your beat stick is not a 5 foot tall dwarf. One hateful remark might not drive a player away from the game but a collective voice spewing negative comments day after day can get tiresome.
Why - It doesn't do WAR any good. One person who leaves the game or doesn't sub(recruit-a-friend-program) is one less healer or tank you have in your WB and less money for Mythic.
You - as a player reflects the "community" in the game. While you're screaming in the region channel about how bad WoW is some of those who are trying out WAR have no ill feelings towards it(and might still be playing it).
Need - WAR needs a healthy amount of players to be a functioning/fun game. We will always need more players.
Two(intentionally mispelled) - Some people play multiple MMO's at a time. In the future WAR might see an increase in players who already subscribe to WoW as well.
Relax - It's just a game to some people and a way to kill time. To others it means much, much more. Either way, relax bro
Thanks for taking the time to read this. Have fun in-game
WAAAGH!
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people who switch from wow to war and stay probably think wow is too hard.
KERPLAH!
is war too easy?
Fair play man, nice to see a genuine post from someone who obviously just likes playing games.
I'm pretty sure all of your points have been made before by other posters but certainly does no harm to reiterate the fact that they are only games in the end and that personal taste is just that and not grounds for attacking someone.
Played: WoW, Lotro, AoC, Eve, CoX.
Shortly be playing: WAR and champions if the release date holds.
Why shouldn't we state the massive flaws in the game? Should we also deny the fact that most of WAR is a poorly made version of WoW? The way you move, your ui, everything is pretty much taken straight from WoW. Even the amazing Scenarios we all have talked about are nothing more than redsigned battlegrounds. I hate to say it, but everything WAR really does, is done better by WoW already. So in a direct competition between the two, I'd say get more for your money and just play WoW.
Nice post to come out after lurking with, hehe. Well thought and and gutsy to say this here on this forum. Although most of the more rabid WAGGGGH!ers you speak of have been absent lately. (I suspect they are having fun playing on the "Darkfall demise" train right now, lol) So as not to blanket everyone, I will try to make distinctions between a War fan and a WAGGGGGH! fan as I post. It is clear you are a War fan.
That is the one thing WAGGGHH! fans do not realize is if you take informal polls, the community probably would'nt be rated in the top 5 of MMOs due to all the "WAAAGGHH!" type attitudes. I think you know what I mean when I say that. Not just saying for each other, but to somewhat try and rub someone's face in something. Before launch you had WAGGGH!ers running into many other games and yelling coming doom and "WAGGGGH!" because the hype pushed them to do it (Paul Barnett, Mark Jacobs). They took it to heart a little too seriously to realize that it was just a marketing slogan. Then came the predictions of HUGE subscriptions, mass exoduses from other games, "superior and complex" gameplay better than any MMO ever made and the self-crowning as the "next big thing on the MMO scene."
It's only because natural that when the game was released in a beta state and people left in droves, WAGGGHH!ers would get backlash, as the Darkfall people are getting as we speak. People hate braggards, but people LOVE incorrect braggards. So as the WAR population declines and the servers got emptier, more people started calling Mythic on it. As the endgame keeps crashing, bad coding, no Ward loot drops after 50X runs and talk of instancing happen, people are calling Jacobs on it. And the WAGGHHH!ers feel they have to defend a game they are playing as if they made it.
Good to see someone who's just playing a game recognize it as such and post something sane. You recognize for this game to have a chance to turn around, they need to make friends with the community, not more WAGGGGHHH! Pvping in the forums. Well done.
"TO MICHAEL!"
if you like pvp play war. wow's pvp is terrible..its as bad as wars pve. the one thing war does better than wow is pvp.
It's only because natural that when the game was released in a beta state and people left in droves, WAGGGHH!ers would get backlash, as the Darkfall people are getting as we speak. People hate braggards, but people LOVE incorrect braggards. So as the WAR population declines and the servers got emptier, more people started calling Mythic on it. As the endgame keeps crashing, bad coding, no Ward loot drops after 50X runs and talk of instancing happen, people are calling Jacobs on it. And the WAGGHHH!ers feel they have to defend a game they are playing as if they made it.
Good to see someone who's just playing a game recognize it as such and post something sane. You recognize for this game to have a chance to turn around, they need to make friends with the community, not more WAGGGGHHH! Pvping in the forums. Well done.
Agree with this 100% , granted i haven't played the game yet , but am aware from the research i have done that there're players out there that have problems with it. In my experience very few mmos are perfect and complete out of the box and are ongoing works as opposed to final finished efforts.
Don't get me wrong, if things are seriously broken then the developers owe it to the paying fans to fix them, but i'll reserve judgement on that until i've given it a fair shot.
As far as i'm concerned if mythic are seriously making efforts to improve and develop the game, (as they seem to be) great, i look forward to seeing where they take it. I'm still gonna give it a shot because 1. i love the mythos and 2. despite the negative comments i've read i've read more than enough positive ones to make me pretty sure there's fun to be had with this game, and isn't that what games are supposed to be about?
Played: WoW, Lotro, AoC, Eve, CoX.
Shortly be playing: WAR and champions if the release date holds.
I think it would be best if players would just stop trying to persuade or disuade other players from specfic games. Let the games and their publishers sell the game and let each player decide what is best. Nobody has been appointed to be advocates for the game consumer that I am aware of and self appointment always seems to lead to trolling and drama.
Yet WoW sieging is laughable.. That is a joke compared to War. Also why pay for a game that holds your hand and gives you gear when you do NOTHING. At least you have to do something in War to get gear. Called contribution. I could just go afk in a BG and get honor which then will get me gear. Lol War = pvp, WoW = pve. and WoW PvP is horrible.
WAR is a great game all things aside and has a ton of fun for the right kind of player. It would be a shame if they missed it.
Yet WoW sieging is laughable.. That is a joke compared to War. Also why pay for a game that holds your hand and gives you gear when you do NOTHING. At least you have to do something in War to get gear. Called contribution. I could just go afk in a BG and get honor which then will get me gear. Lol War = pvp, WoW = pve. and WoW PvP is horrible.
WoW sieging compared to WAR = laughable?
Compared to Daoc I could understand but WAR? Take out Oil, Break down door, break down door, climb ramp, hit tank wall and win/lose. Every time?
WoW sieging has tanks breaking through the walls from 3 possible sides with breakable walls and towers, defensive siege units and turrets and a last stand mechanism as walls fall around you.
And that's even considering someone is in WAR's siege to actually defend which happens about as often as not. (bar fortresses).
DAOC had siege worth mentioning. I'll easily agree to that but you'll have to bring a little more to the table than a "LoL" to convince me WAR's sieging has anything particular going for it
not planning on missing it, looks too good.
Played: WoW, Lotro, AoC, Eve, CoX.
Shortly be playing: WAR and champions if the release date holds.
Yet WoW sieging is laughable.. That is a joke compared to War. Also why pay for a game that holds your hand and gives you gear when you do NOTHING. At least you have to do something in War to get gear. Called contribution. I could just go afk in a BG and get honor which then will get me gear. Lol War = pvp, WoW = pve. and WoW PvP is horrible.
Actually I find it FAR easier in war to get gear than in wow. I also found the whole PVE side to war a big bore after a couple of weeks, it a lot more repetative than wow's and instances arn't anywhere near as interesting or as fun.
The seiges in wow are on a much larger scale than in war, war has more keeps etc, but their all the same layout so no real difference in the end. Plus war doesn't run as smoothly so you spend a lot of time lagging.
Oh, come on. Wow is just a easy as WAR. There are a lot of 11 years old able to play Wow (A lady friend is a school teachers and she was kinda upset that the kids are playing same game as her) and in my meaning only a few child geniuses should be able to play a truly hard game.
I do know people who quited EQ2 and Guildwars for Wow because they think those games are too hard, but the difference between Wow and WAR is far to small to explain anything.
My theory is that they just got tired of Wow, playing it for years. Or they just dont like Wow or WAR fits them better.
Personally I like harder games but taste differs. However I don't only choose games because of how hard them are, that is just one of the aspects of the game, there are a lot of other things that matters too.
I would even say that DAoC's siege system in not even "worth of mentioning" but maybe the best one out there right now. I cant think of any other siege better. DAoC's sieging needs improvement (which game doesnt need it?) and WAR's siege system needs a lot of improvement but I do have my hopes on Mythic to do it better in some months.
I had been sending feedback (and making the gu ildies to do the same). I hope they implement stuff like mobile sieging (who thought in making the siege stationary?!), trebbing, climbing, etc, etc, etc.
As for the bad things of WAR...right now, for me, my main concerns are:
- Fort crashing. I hope they manage to fix it and remove the new caps.
- Short-term objectives (a la DAoC's DF -PvE/RvR conten unlocking from RvR actions- or relics... something that will let players to feel accomplishment in the short term; city sieging is too long term, imo).
- High RvR Gear. It's almost impossible to get high ward gear from RvR. Not only because of the fort crashing but because of the low chances of getting the Conqueror set. So some people are "forced" to do PvE raids for getting them (It's like a ToA2... I hoep they review and change this asap). Worst the way we get RvR Gear (in general) is by taking Keeps/Fortress... I dont like that much... I would had just prefer if they let players to buy and use it based on their RR.
These are just my 3 main concerns. There are other problems right now in the game (as in any game). For now, Mythic had shown they are moving quite fast (compared to the rest of the industry) and I still think they will end up fixing the problems. Imo, they had been fixing the problems as they appeared and they still are hearing the community. Even my "concerns" since beta and now had been fixed/improved... I always find new things to demand to be improve, of course!
WoW is a great game and any player should always play games that give them fun. But I never had fun in WoW. I did find huge fun in games like UO and DAoC. For now, I am having huge fun in WAR too.
If anyone is looking for a new MMO to play, I would recommend to give WAR a try.
if you like pvp play war. wow's pvp is terrible..its as bad as wars pve. the one thing war does better than wow is pvp.
It does?
EU server Burlok just crashed for the second time in 30 minutes. It's been four months since the game's release and massive sieges still crash the servers.
War don't need Wow's help they are doing fine by discouraging players....thousands and thousands of them
i agree
Yet WoW sieging is laughable.. That is a joke compared to War. Also why pay for a game that holds your hand and gives you gear when you do NOTHING. At least you have to do something in War to get gear. Called contribution. I could just go afk in a BG and get honor which then will get me gear. Lol War = pvp, WoW = pve. and WoW PvP is horrible.
WoW sieging compared to WAR = laughable?
Compared to Daoc I could understand but WAR? Take out Oil, Break down door, break down door, climb ramp, hit tank wall and win/lose. Every time?
WoW sieging has tanks breaking through the walls from 3 possible sides with breakable walls and towers, defensive siege units and turrets and a last stand mechanism as walls fall around you.
And that's even considering someone is in WAR's siege to actually defend which happens about as often as not. (bar fortresses).
DAOC had siege worth mentioning. I'll easily agree to that but you'll have to bring a little more to the table than a "LoL" to convince me WAR's sieging has anything particular going for it
Eachday in Wow you have at least 3 massive PvP fights for Wintergrasp.
Several full 40 men raid groups on each side. The number of people in that RvR zone of Wow can't even be counted these days.
The 3 double castle walls are all breakable, tank to tank fights, flame throwers, 3 different siege vehicles on BOTH sides, massive dust clouds clutter the sights. You name it: this IS massive and awesome.
And every week that passes more and more people doing it. To the point where no one can see anything anymore because of the dust and massive piles of dead tanks and catapults. Done it at least two dozen of times already and it never bores.
Awards are plenty - both in honor - dungeon added loot for controlling the zone - and shard loot, so people are doing it far more than AV these days. And as the awards also include "heritage loot" (bound on account) you never have enough shards to go for.
War fans may not like it, but Lake Wntergrasp open world PvP zone (not only the Siege is there btw) is a massive succes on Wow servers.
The only thing negative is that in the PvP arena rated teams the classes are not all represented in the same way (although all classes are in the top 50 rated teams). But at least Wow has arena to balance the classes to level out in pvp results.
If you take out the overall RvR layer of War, which very few players seem to care about btw, WotLK has taken PvP to a new kind of battles (tanks - destructable keeps - artillery).
In the nicest possible way how about you just shove it?
People will ALWAYS talk freely and say whatever they like to whoever they want. If someone likes or dislikes a game then the beauty of freedom of speech means that they can voice their opinion about it and other people are free to voice their opinion about the previous opinion......and so on.
For example I think WAR is a boring, badly designed shit pile that is blatantly cashing in on WoWs success by trying to be its PvP twin.....and failing badly at it. Isnt it great that I can just say that? Isnt it great that someone else who thinks its gods gift to the mmo genre can tell me that I am wrong?
WAR is everywhere.......including the forums. Get used to it.
In the nicest possible way how about you just shove it?
People will ALWAYS talk freely and say whatever they like to whoever they want. If someone likes or dislikes a game then the beauty of freedom of speech means that they can voice their opinion about it and other people are free to voice their opinion about the previous opinion......and so on.
For example I think WAR is a boring, badly designed shit pile that is blatantly cashing in on WoWs success by trying to be its PvP twin.....and failing badly at it. Isnt it great that I can just say that? Isnt it great that someone else who thinks its gods gift to the mmo genre can tell me that I am wrong?
WAR is everywhere.......including the forums. Get used to it
you are the angry mob mate, i'm sure people are impressed
Played: WoW, Lotro, AoC, Eve, CoX.
Shortly be playing: WAR and champions if the release date holds.
In the nicest possible way how about you just shove it?
People will ALWAYS talk freely and say whatever they like to whoever they want. If someone likes or dislikes a game then the beauty of freedom of speech means that they can voice their opinion about it and other people are free to voice their opinion about the previous opinion......and so on.
For example I think WAR is a boring, badly designed shit pile that is blatantly cashing in on WoWs success by trying to be its PvP twin.....and failing badly at it. Isnt it great that I can just say that? Isnt it great that someone else who thinks its gods gift to the mmo genre can tell me that I am wrong?
WAR is everywhere.......including the forums. Get used to it
you are the angry mob mate, i'm sure people are impressed
Actually you're completely wrong......but then this is the internet and its impossible to accurately judge a persons character from what they type. Just because I have a low opinion of a game doesnt mean I am "angry". I was actually rather chilled out when I typed the above. By your logic anyone who says something positive about a game is "happy" and anyone who says something negative about a game is "angry". Ummmm sorry but it doesnt work like that. I'm also not out to impress anyone. That may very well be your personal agenda when you type your posts but its not mine so you probably shouldnt judge others motives based on your own standards. Sorry if you took offence at a persons honest viewpoints.......well.....actually no I'm not. I couldnt give a monkeys actually. This is WAR god damn it......
.......and yeah thats a joke by the way to make light of the fact that these forums are always full of endless arguments.......or what I prefer to refer to in a positive light as debates. Sorry I had to spell it out for you.
In the nicest possible way how about you just shove it?
People will ALWAYS talk freely and say whatever they like to whoever they want. If someone likes or dislikes a game then the beauty of freedom of speech means that they can voice their opinion about it and other people are free to voice their opinion about the previous opinion......and so on.
For example I think WAR is a boring, badly designed shit pile that is blatantly cashing in on WoWs success by trying to be its PvP twin.....and failing badly at it. Isnt it great that I can just say that? Isnt it great that someone else who thinks its gods gift to the mmo genre can tell me that I am wrong?
WAR is everywhere.......including the forums. Get used to it
you are the angry mob mate, i'm sure people are impressed
Actually you're completely wrong......but then this is the internet and its impossible to accurately judge a persons character from what they type. Just because I have a low opinion of a game doesnt mean I am "angry". I was actually rather chilled out when I typed the above. By your logic anyone who says something positive about a game is "happy" and anyone who says something negative about a game is "angry". Ummmm sorry but it doesnt work like that. I'm also not out to impress anyone. That may very well be your personal agenda when you type your posts but its not mine so you probably shouldnt judge others motives based on your own standards. Sorry if you took offence at a persons honest viewpoints.......well.....actually no I'm not. I couldnt give a monkeys actually. This is WAR god damn it.....
.......and yeah thats a joke by the way to make light of the fact that these forums are always full of endless arguments.......or what I prefer to refer to in a positive light as debates. Sorry I had to spell it out for you.
You didn't have to spell anything out for me, i was merely commenting on the fact that you opened your post by telling somebody to 'shove it', pretty aggressive in my book, but then again maybe i'm just too chilled out and take offence too easily. You are however correct when you say that people will say what they like to whoever they want (on the internet) hence my post.
I apologise for calling you angry, my mistake, maybe merely a tad frustrated?
Played: WoW, Lotro, AoC, Eve, CoX.
Shortly be playing: WAR and champions if the release date holds.
War is good game and good for those who are needing more pvp balance and to move away from more casual wow. Also a young game so also many improvements will come. Do not be discouraged by many who hate WAR just because.
In the nicest possible way how about you just shove it?
People will ALWAYS talk freely and say whatever they like to whoever they want. If someone likes or dislikes a game then the beauty of freedom of speech means that they can voice their opinion about it and other people are free to voice their opinion about the previous opinion......and so on.
For example I think WAR is a boring, badly designed shit pile that is blatantly cashing in on WoWs success by trying to be its PvP twin.....and failing badly at it. Isnt it great that I can just say that? Isnt it great that someone else who thinks its gods gift to the mmo genre can tell me that I am wrong?
WAR is everywhere.......including the forums. Get used to it
you are the angry mob mate, i'm sure people are impressed
Actually you're completely wrong......but then this is the internet and its impossible to accurately judge a persons character from what they type. Just because I have a low opinion of a game doesnt mean I am "angry". I was actually rather chilled out when I typed the above. By your logic anyone who says something positive about a game is "happy" and anyone who says something negative about a game is "angry". Ummmm sorry but it doesnt work like that. I'm also not out to impress anyone. That may very well be your personal agenda when you type your posts but its not mine so you probably shouldnt judge others motives based on your own standards. Sorry if you took offence at a persons honest viewpoints.......well.....actually no I'm not. I couldnt give a monkeys actually. This is WAR god damn it.....
.......and yeah thats a joke by the way to make light of the fact that these forums are always full of endless arguments.......or what I prefer to refer to in a positive light as debates. Sorry I had to spell it out for you.
You didn't have to spell anything out for me, i was merely commenting on the fact that you opened your post by telling somebody to 'shove it', pretty aggressive in my book, but then again maybe i'm just too chilled out and take offence too easily. You are however correct when you say that people will say what they like to whoever they want (on the internet) hence my post.
I apologise for calling you angry, my mistake, maybe merely a tad frustrated?
Ah its ok I wasnt actually offended. In fact your right the opening to my message was actually quite aggressive which I was well aware of. Thats why I tried to soften it a little by sticking a good old smiley face after it.......ahhh the power of the smiley face