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Why T4 is an absolute failure, and the reason levellers leave..
Spaceweed10
Member Posts: 625
..is simple.
The disparity between lame lvl40's - who can't kill people in ORvR, come into Scenarios where low level 30's are trying to progress - is just too great.
I'm on my 3rd alt now in T4 - because end game on my main is so boring - and being killed in a second is no fun for obvious reasons.
T4 takes a decent while to get through, and consequently people will just 'ragequit' because it is futile to try and complete with a series of level 40's who can kill very easily.
Because end game is so lame, Scenarios are where high end guilds get their kicks. Guilds such as Nagarythe Corps and Boss - who fancy themselves as 'leet' - gather on TS and massage their epeens to beat the lowbies. The truth is, you guys suck balls. Don't you want a challenge?
Mythic, why are these losers even allowed in T4 Scenarios? Have you played a lvl30 versus a RR50+ lately? Absolutely clueless you are when it comes to a reasonably level playing field.
I've played this game since the start, and all I see now, is lose on all fronts. Games are supposed to be fun, this set up is not.
The answer seems quite logical to me.
1. Scenarios should be 28-33 and 34-39. There should be separate Scenarios for level 40's who still want to play them outside of zone locking.
2. Re-design how low level stats are revised to enable them to compete with 40's, if no 1 is too hard for you to manage. At the moment, giving an HP buff equates to trying to sell ice cream in the Arctic.
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i think the phrase goes "refridgerators in the artic" because even cold people still like ice cream. anyways, i do agree wtih you. 40's should have their own scenario bracket. it would be best for both 32--39 people and 40s. as it is now if a group of mid 30's gets in a scenario and sees the other team is all 40's with high renown they immediately leave anyways. if its broken up then scenarios might actually be finished. on anothe note, the way its setup now isnt very friendly to new players. the few people that dont quit on the way to t4 most surely will when they get roflstomped constantly.
Having only recently made it to Tier 4, I can sympathise with the above comments very strongly.
In the other Tiers the spread of levels for both Scenarios & ORvR was much broader, so people in the lower bands can still have a lot of fun. In Tier 4 though, most opponents seem to be maxxed out Lvl 40s who can kill anyone under L35 with almost a glance.
I get the little icon telling me my stats have been adjusted, but as the OP suggests it is all but useless & after being repeatedly killed often by the same opponent just for laughs, I have resigned myself to PvE grinding until I can 'kick that sand back in their faces'.
If you can't "Have your cake & eat it too", then how can "The proof of the pudding be in the eating"?
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Pay NO attention to Spaceweed!
He's just a hater and a bad player who' whines about Warhammer because his lovely Wow/Darkfall/AoC stinks and is losing subs everyday while WAR is gaining massive subs and he's a kid who lives in his momma's basement and he's got a crappy computer and he's a troll. And his name is stupid too.
/in before fanbois.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Nah, he's gone some points. Way to overreact, just for a change.
I think the OP made some good points. Granted he's understandibly angry and it shows in his post, but good points none-the-less. In fact, I'd say WAR starts to get boring in T3. The quick skirmishes and fast attacks that were found in T1 and T2 are pretty much gone. I can understand why Mythic made the keeps bigger and grander to attack and defend in T3 and above, but it doesn't make it more enjoyable to me. It actually makes it more tedious, imo. Don't get me wrong, my toons do very well in the kill ratios, so it's not a L2P type of thing, it's really a tedium type of thing for me. I've rerolled a lot of toons just so I could replay through T1 and T2. Plus the keep contribution system is so borked that it's almost laughable, if it wasn't so damn annoying.
Mythic still has a lot of work to do.
I make spreadsheets at work - I don't want to make them for the games I play.
I don't care what other views the OP has but he's dead on when it comes to T4 scenarios. It' was no fun being farmed by premade lvl40s when I was leveling. I just stopped doing them. Scenarios sometimes finished 500-10 and less. All the other tiers were fun and being farmed was the exception rather than the rule. T4 it is the opposite. They need to rethink the levels in the end game. I totally agree with OPs suggestion of separate scenarios for level 40s.
BTW It's frustrating for us lvl40 players too. Facing a group of of premade lvl40s when your own team consists of lv29-lvl32 players means you might as well sit at the spawn point and wait for the slaughter to come for you!
And you sir, have a flair for understatement.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Funny
get to 40 then and stop crying.
One of the most useless post's here.. Ofc 40's come to scens to get renown, you will do the same when you got 40.
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His post was far from useless.. and if you think it's one of 'the most useless post's here" you obviously haven't read ANY other threads.
I guess some must enjoy a lack of challenge!
get to 40 then and stop crying.
..or even just quit. Which is the point the OP is making. Warhammer sure doesn't need any more people cancelling.
One question, Why are you with you level 30 in a tier 4 scenario? I mean you can still go to tier 3 and play scenario's there. I do not mind lower level in tier 4 (did that myself), but you know you are taking a risk and might be an easier target!
I do however agree with idea 1, however this would be a problem for lower pop server.
Not when you are in a scenario where you are the only lvl40 in your team! The end game scenarios need balance. And when you are on the team with all lv40s and the other is low levels it's boring with absolutely no challenge.
One question, Why are you with you level 30 in a tier 4 scenario? I mean you can still go to tier 3 and play scenario's there. I do not mind lower level in tier 4 (did that myself), but you know you are taking a risk and might be an easier target!
I do however agree with idea 1, however this would be a problem for lower pop server.
I've been in scenarios with lvl29 players. Some people tell them to **** off back to T3 and quit the scenario saying that there's no chance of winning...and that's before the scenario even starts. I hate that if I've queued for a while for it to pop and people quit before the fighting even starts.
One question, Why are you with you level 30 in a tier 4 scenario? I mean you can still go to tier 3 and play scenario's there. I do not mind lower level in tier 4 (did that myself), but you know you are taking a risk and might be an easier target!
I do however agree with idea 1, however this would be a problem for lower pop server.
I've been in scenarios with lvl29 players. Some people tell them to **** off back to T3 and quit the scenario saying that there's no chance of winning...and that's before the scenario even starts. I hate that if I've queued for a while for it to pop and people quit before the fighting even starts.
Well, while this has not happend to myself it not that wierd of a reaction. The leaving part is. Like the op is saying you die fast when you lower level. I have no problem with this, but I am simple soul and can find even make time to have fun while loosing.
Those emotes have to be used for something :P and going after the same person all the time is fun aswell....especialy if you know he is a guild leader on an ventrillo while having a lot of healers in the same party. Makes the whole scenario worth it, if you manage to kill him.
There seems to be a consesus with the OP and few opposing viewpoints so far. I'm finally getting into T4, looking forward to it less now
Because it's true.
I call a spade a spade. There are some major design flaws in this game, and the public voice carries a lot of weight these days on certain forums.
I will air my opinions when I see fit, and if the gaming companies continue to ask us to pay for awful balance which impacts on the fun factor, they will regret not heeding the advice in cancelled subscriptions, and potential subscriptions that never materialised.
The days of fobbing off us poor saps with unfinished games is over.
Scenarios are good up to level 31. Once you hit 32 and are forced to only do T4 scenarios I stop queuing. I don't even attempt scenaros ever after level 31. At 40 they are too loopsided to play them.
Actually he has a lot of valid points. I came into the game expecting not to have to do a lot of PVE but mostly level up via scenarios or rvr.
But when I reached 32, I realised as do many others that, it is simply not viable to level through scenarios due to the situation which Spaceweed has stated.
I have now resorted to grinding PVE, which gives fast & consistent xp until I reach 40, when I will try to go back into scenarios to see whether it is viable or not.
An easy quick fix for the moment would be to queue level 40s into a separate queue for scenarios.
T1-T3 are very much more fun in rvr and scenarios than T4. That is why so many people reroll alts just to experience the action in T1-T3.
Among other issues are the constant keep zergs & zero defending. I got most of my annihilator set in 1 weekend via zergs so I shouldn't complain but, this is really not a viable end game for rvr in T4.
I agree with the OP, ORvR is bored, some classes are imba, Armor Sets suck too, I mean the art, just different color but same shit, T4 Scenarios are nothing but a waste of time if you are not in a pre-made group full of 40s, Keep Sieges are a waste of time because the rewards sux balls and most of the time there no defenders, so basically u just get into the Keep kill the Lord get the shitty lot and the Faction that is controlling most of the game just came and overrun your WB...anyways who needs Keeps when u can buy Renown Gear in the Capital City.
I've tried many servers, different factions, different characters but theres always the same problem.....Order kicks Destro ass or Destro kicks Order ass......there is no balance. I played most of the time in Skull Throne (High Population Server) and I can tell u Order always kicked Destro balls by far during Fortress/Keep - Siege/Defend, plus ppl always try to kill the damn Tanks with healers at their back.
This game is just too WoWzie with too many WoW players.
All this made me cancel my account 2 months later.
So, let me understand this post... since you get waxed with your alts at low 30's T4 is a failure? Guess you never went into a scenario around level 3 or 4 with level 11's and people dinging 12 during the scenario? Or ever do anything but go into a scenario until you were at the end of the tier so you could do what you are saying others are doing? With your logic then instead of a 4 tier game you want an 8 tier one, then whats to keep the next... individual... from complaining that he gets killed in no time at level 1 by a level 5?
I am on my second t4 toon and as long as it's not serpent's passage its a toss up as to who will win. If it's SP then pretty much always order seems to win unless we run organized ones but, then again.... why even bother with the scenarios. Open RVR is where its at additionally you don't earn influence for running around in scenarios
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
So, let me understand this post... since you get waxed with your alts at low 30's T4 is a failure?
Reread, that's not what he was saying, he was saying the amount of 40's in there is a result of T4 endgame playing being boring/a failure (according to him)