That was very cheap of you. You cut out more than half of the article. The article is about how one major investor in Norway, Celina Middelfart has invested this and last week in FUNCOM. She is now holding a major post of shares. For those estimates of Thornesen those are based on Xfire two weeks back. We all know what Xfire have been doing lately.
She's hot. Damn..
I am sorry, but where exactly do you get that Mr. Thoresen's estimates are based on XFire? I doubt that a finanical analyist looks at something like that.
Also, i did not mean to be "cheap" by not translating the entire article. I just did not see it relevant.
The article says that Funcom's stock price has dropped more than 86% in the months still launch of AoC and that it used to be on a high of 55 Norwegian Kroner and that the 325k shares now are worth around 1 million Kroner (around 100k USD give or take).
I am not surprised that Celina Middlefart is buying huge amount of stocks because, as the article also says, Funcom stock seems to be at a steady low at the moment, and any increase in numbers, sales or the launch of the next MMO will surely increase the stock value. So buying now, at the all time steady low, is probably a smart move to make money.
That was very cheap of you. You cut out more than half of the article. The article is about how one major investor in Norway, Celina Middelfart has invested this and last week in FUNCOM. She is now holding a major post of shares. For those estimates of Thornesen those are based on Xfire two weeks back. We all know what Xfire have been doing lately.
She's hot. Damn..
I am sorry, but where exactly do you get that Mr. Thoresen's estimates are based on XFire? I doubt that a finanical analyist looks at something like that.
Also, i did not mean to be "cheap" by not translating the entire article. I just did not see it relevant.
The article says that Funcom's stock price has dropped more than 86% in the months still launch of AoC and that it used to be on a high of 55 Norwegian Kroner and that the 325k shares now are worth around 1 million Kroner (around 100k USD give or take).
I am not surprised that Celina Middlefart is buying huge amount of stocks because, as the article also says, Funcom stock seems to be at a steady low at the moment, and any increase in numbers, sales or the launch of the next MMO will surely increase the stock value. So buying now, at the all time steady low, is probably a smart move to make money.
Earlier article on either VG or dagbladet did mention specificly that their analtics did use Xfire as a tool, some time ago this article was but it was said that xfire is one of the tools to estimate subscriber numbers.
Celina is buying at the right time for sure, if I had 1 million lying I could spend on stocks I too would have bought Funcom stocks. Their price is low, and the closer we get to the next MMO release or next big news from funcom there is a good chance the stock will go up. If you deal with stocks you want to buy when the stocks are low and sell them when they rise. You can wait for the stocks to reach it's peak, but that is risky, because the value an drop fast if it drops.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC) On my radar: TSW, MO MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
There is also good indication that Funcom is being taken private from the inside. When this happens, shares on the open market are bought at premium (usually 10-20%). This would be a quick way to make 10-20% in a month.
But just to warn would-be investors. When funcom fell from 55 to 16, a lot of people said 'buy it now, it is very cheap'. Those people have lost 80% of their money. Even the Insider who bought a lot of shares at $6, has lost 50% of his money. When a stock drops a lot, it's easy to say 'ok, this is absurdly low, it can only go up from here'. But that is not true. The stock has currently lost $52 per share in the last 10 months. If you buy it now, and it loses just $1.50 more.. you have lost 50% of your money.
That was very cheap of you. You cut out more than half of the article. The article is about how one major investor in Norway, Celina Middelfart has invested this and last week in FUNCOM. She is now holding a major post of shares. For those estimates of Thornesen those are based on Xfire two weeks back. We all know what Xfire have been doing lately.
She's hot. Damn..
I am sorry, but where exactly do you get that Mr. Thoresen's estimates are based on XFire? I doubt that a finanical analyist looks at something like that.
Also, i did not mean to be "cheap" by not translating the entire article. I just did not see it relevant.
The article says that Funcom's stock price has dropped more than 86% in the months still launch of AoC and that it used to be on a high of 55 Norwegian Kroner and that the 325k shares now are worth around 1 million Kroner (around 100k USD give or take).
I am not surprised that Celina Middlefart is buying huge amount of stocks because, as the article also says, Funcom stock seems to be at a steady low at the moment, and any increase in numbers, sales or the launch of the next MMO will surely increase the stock value. So buying now, at the all time steady low, is probably a smart move to make money.
Just don't cut things out of context. There is way too many people doing that and it is deceptive at it's best.
As Crashloops says, there is another article on how these analysts use Xfire to determine population simply comparing it to all high Xfire numbers. It's insane at it's best. Having that said we also know AoC have had like +55% population increase over the Holidays and Jan. I personally belive population numbers are way over 200 000. Think about it 22 servers, can support 400000 people when all full. Well from what I have seen and heard most servers are actually getting quite packed. Also revenue numbers (10 Mill USD) indicate that AoC have more than 200 000 players. You have to look at the whole picture and I am sure HOT HOT Celina have done that too.
Just don't cut things out of context. There is way too many people doing that and it is deceptive at it's best. As Crashloops says, there is another article on how these analysts use Xfire to determine population simply comparing it to all high Xfire numbers. It's insane at it's best. Having that said we also know AoC have had like +55% population increase over the Holidays and Jan. I personally belive population numbers are way over 200 000. Think about it 22 servers, can support 400000 people when all full. Well from what I have seen and heard most servers are actually getting quite packed. Also revenue numbers (10 Mill USD) indicate that AoC have more than 200 000 players. You have to look at the whole picture and I am sure HOT HOT Celina have done that too.
I don't believe i took things out of context at all. The Celina part at the top was irrelevant compared to the subscription estimate at the bottom. Either section can go without the other really.
I honestly don't want to debate subscription numbers or revenue - all i wanted to do was point out a different view. The only way of knowing numbers is when the company announces them officially, and i guess there is a reason why Funcom has not openly come out and announced any numbers in the last 5 months.
If you have a link to the article that quotes financial analysts (in particular the analyst mentioned in my link) using Xfire for their numbers, please provide it.
And i fail to see what the good (or not) looks of a particular investor have go to to do with anything.
Also: it is interesting that most people talking about Funcom stock fail to understand that it is listed in NOK (Norwegian Kroner) and NOT in US-Dollars. The current worth of Funcom Stock is around 3 Norwegian Kroner per share, which is around 50 US Cent, or 1/2 of a US Dollar. quite a difference.
Just don't cut things out of context. There is way too many people doing that and it is deceptive at it's best. As Crashloops says, there is another article on how these analysts use Xfire to determine population simply comparing it to all high Xfire numbers. It's insane at it's best. Having that said we also know AoC have had like +55% population increase over the Holidays and Jan. I personally belive population numbers are way over 200 000. Think about it 22 servers, can support 400000 people when all full. Well from what I have seen and heard most servers are actually getting quite packed. Also revenue numbers (10 Mill USD) indicate that AoC have more than 200 000 players. You have to look at the whole picture and I am sure HOT HOT Celina have done that too.
I don't believe i took things out of context at all. The Celina part at the top was irrelevant compared to the subscription estimate at the bottom. Either section can go without the other really.
I honestly don't want to debate subscription numbers or revenue - all i wanted to do was point out a different view. The only way of knowing numbers is when the company announces them officially, and i guess there is a reason why Funcom has not openly come out and announced any numbers in the last 5 months.
If you have a link to the article that quotes financial analysts (in particular the analyst mentioned in my link) using Xfire for their numbers, please provide it.
And i fail to see what the good (or not) looks of a particular investor have go to to do with anything.
Also: it is interesting that most people talking about Funcom stock fail to understand that it is listed in NOK (Norwegian Kroner) and NOT in US-Dollars. The current worth of Funcom Stock is around 3 Norwegian Kroner per share, which is around 50 US Cent, or 1/2 of a US Dollar. quite a difference.
You di not take things out of context. For christ sake the article is about Celina Middelfart and her empire and how she have invested in FUNCOM now and you refer to the anecdotal information in the bottom of the text. THAT is out of context my friend. More so because she have a reputation for being a serious long term investor and this is very relevant for AoC and FC in a good way. BUT, you had to go for the part that suited your intrest the best. Again what you refer to is not information, it's an anecdotal remark.
You di not take things out of context. For christ sake the article is about Celina Middelfart and her empire and how she have invested in FUNCOM now and you refer to the anecdotal information in the bottom of the text. THAT is out of context my friend. More so because she have a reputation for being a serious long term investor and this is very relevant for AoC and FC in a good way. BUT, you had to go for the part that suited your intrest the best. Again what you refer to is not information, it's an anecdotal remark.
To quote another historical figure:
"Well that's just... like... your opinion... man."
You di not take things out of context. For christ sake the article is about Celina Middelfart and her empire and how she have invested in FUNCOM now and you refer to the anecdotal information in the bottom of the text. THAT is out of context my friend. More so because she have a reputation for being a serious long term investor and this is very relevant for AoC and FC in a good way. BUT, you had to go for the part that suited your intrest the best. Again what you refer to is not information, it's an anecdotal remark.
To quote another historical figure:
"Well that's just... like... your opinion... man."
I think not. The title of that article is "Celina are buying FunCom stocks". Also 99% of the text is about her late investments in IT technology. Right in the bottom of the text there are a couple of lines about the broker that use Xfire. Couple of lines = anecdotal information. It's not an opinion, it's a fact that you cut out the majority of that article to fabricate information. *sigh*
So the people who put their money where their mouth is say 70,000 and players who hype the game non-stop say 200,000 hmm. which should I believe?
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
So the people who put their money where their mouth is say 70,000 and players who hype the game non-stop say 200,000 hmm. which should I believe?
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
So the people who put their money where their mouth is say 70,000 and players who hype the game non-stop say 200,000 hmm. which should I believe?
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
Orion FFS show me where I stated the article had anything to do with the price increase.What I was referring to were the large purchases. Apparently you understand very little about the market but but here is a lesson. When people start buying 3200 blocks ( block = 100 shares) of stock the price tends to increase. Funcom generally trades around 200K per day for all of it's transactions combined for reference sake.The article does not even say when she bought those shares but I would bet her initial large purchases began around Dec 8th with more purchases on Dec 29th and January the 12th. When word gets around that someone is buying big chunks of a companies stock the sale price increases just like any other commodity.
Anyway I guess this once and for all will shut up your claims of 300K populations unless you can show me a resume more impressive than Thoresen's LOL. A hold recommendation from a large investment group means the company is on pretty shaky ground.
So the people who put their money where their mouth is say 70,000 and players who hype the game non-stop say 200,000 hmm. which should I believe?
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
Orion FFS show me where I stated the article had anything to do with the price increase. The article does not even say when she bought those shares but I would bet her initial large purchases began around Dec 8th with more purchases on Dec 29th and January the 12th.
Anyway I guess this once and for all will shut up your claims of 300K populations unless you can show me a resume more impressive than Thoresen's LOL. A hold reccomnedation from a large investment group means the company is on pretty shaky ground.
I don't know much about stocks so I rather not discuss that if that's ok. But for the resume of that guy I would not be too impressed. DnB bank is apparently about to go bancrupt, in spite of a ton of people with that type of resume. Think about Lehman Brothers, probably even better CV's there, still got fcked up big time. I say use your common sense. I have seen a tremendous activity increase in the game since last month, and I know you have also. Then I have also seen like a +50% increase in Xfire numbers. Play.com got even sold out. Look say what you want but AoC is doing very well. In fact I don't want to see more people on my server, it is uncomfortably packed in some areas.
For your comments on the 2.3 to 3, I don't know what you mean if that's not you trying to say that the article somehow had anything to do with FC stocks going up.
So the people who put their money where their mouth is say 70,000 and players who hype the game non-stop say 200,000 hmm. which should I believe?
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
Orion FFS show me where I stated the article had anything to do with the price increase. The article does not even say when she bought those shares but I would bet her initial large purchases began around Dec 8th with more purchases on Dec 29th and January the 12th.
Anyway I guess this once and for all will shut up your claims of 300K populations unless you can show me a resume more impressive than Thoresen's LOL. A hold reccomnedation from a large investment group means the company is on pretty shaky ground.
I don't know much about stocks so I rather not discuss that if that's ok. But for the resume of that guy I would not be too impressed. DnB bank is apparently about to go bancrupt, in spite of a ton of people with that type of resume. Think about Lehman Brothers, probably even better CV's there, still got fcked up big time. I say use your common sense. I have seen a tremendous activity increase in the game since last month, and I know you have also. Then I have also seen like a +50% increase in Xfire numbers. Play.com got even sold out. Look say what you want but AoC is doing very well. In fact I don't want to see more people on my server, it is uncomfortably packed in some areas.
For your comments on the 2.3 to 3, I don't know what you mean if that's not you trying to say that the article somehow had anything to do with FC stocks going up.
what is so hard to understand that my statement was refering to the subject of the the article that caused the price incrrease? Not the article itself. I don't know how to make it any plainer or more simple to understand than that.
As far as the bank , damnifIknow but until you can show me a resume with a MBA and 2 undergrad degrees who works as a investment banker and is charge of millions of dollars of other peoples investment money I will take his word over yours any day of the week on the games current population
I have seen an huge change in number of players since I start beginning of this year. If I search for people on that search thing up in the corner I get close to 20 online pleyers pr level and that is on a weekday out of primetime. I think AoC has much better population than many other games I have played.
I have seen an huge change in number of players since I start beginning of this year. If I search for people on that search thing up in the corner I get close to 20 online pleyers pr level and that is on a weekday out of primetime. I think AoC has much better population than many other games I have played.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob 20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
I have seen an huge change in number of players since I start beginning of this year. If I search for people on that search thing up in the corner I get close to 20 online pleyers pr level and that is on a weekday out of primetime. I think AoC has much better population than many other games I have played.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob 20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
I have seen an huge change in number of players since I start beginning of this year. If I search for people on that search thing up in the corner I get close to 20 online pleyers pr level and that is on a weekday out of primetime. I think AoC has much better population than many other games I have played.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob 20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
I have seen an huge change in number of players since I start beginning of this year. If I search for people on that search thing up in the corner I get close to 20 online pleyers pr level and that is on a weekday out of primetime. I think AoC has much better population than many other games I have played.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob 20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
He estimates that the "Age of Conan" now has around 70,000 players, against the 415,000 active players Funcom reported in August last year.
his credentials:
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
DnB NOR Markets provides capital markets services. The company’s services include equities trading, corporate finance, foreign exchange dealing, and interest-rate futures and options. It also analyzes and advises on securities, interest rate, and currency markets and offers online investor accounting services. DnB Markets is based in Oslo, Norway and has offices in London, New York, and Singapore.
got any solid figures from another investment company or a quote from anyone with better credentials?
Until you do I think we can go with 70K as a pretty accurate figure. I am sure you do not like that figure, but that is just tough cookies as they say. The cat is no longer in the bag, the fanboys cry, the shills have no source to prove otherwise.
I have seen an huge change in number of players since I start beginning of this year. If I search for people on that search thing up in the corner I get close to 20 online pleyers pr level and that is on a weekday out of primetime. I think AoC has much better population than many other games I have played.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob 20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
He estimates that the "Age of Conan" now has around 70,000 players, against the 415,000 active players Funcom reported in August last year.
his credentials:
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
DnB NOR Markets provides capital markets services. The company’s services include equities trading, corporate finance, foreign exchange dealing, and interest-rate futures and options. It also analyzes and advises on securities, interest rate, and currency markets and offers online investor accounting services. DnB Markets is based in Oslo, Norway and has offices in London, New York, and Singapore.
got any solid figures from another investment company or a quote from anyone with better credentials?
Until you do I think we can go with 70K as a pretty accurate figure. I am sure you do not like that figure, but that is just tough cookies as they say. The cat is no longer in the bag, the fanboys cry, the shills have no source to prove otherwise.
Last time I checked it's the guy that try to establish something that need to back it up with facts. You refer to one sentence by a guy you belive a lot in (Your whole post is about how much you belive in him actually). But you see, regardless of how much you worship this guy, you still have failed to bring up the calculation or other numbers that support your claim. I say again, Ref please?
Untill you either can produce Thoresens or any other estimate (calculation) or hard facts of any other kind, your claim is void.
Meanwhile since you seem to understand Norwegian so well; If I am not wrong this article in the financial newspaper Hegnar show how much DnB is collapsing (hmm, maybe you can team up with Thoresen, he seem to be in need of a new job)
DnB went on a blistering defeat for loan-funded savings, but refuses to pay customers back what they lost.
Complaints Bank on Tuesday Ivar Petter Røeggen from Averøy on Nordmøre pursuance of the case he had built against Norway's largest financial conglomerates. Røeggen expect that he has lost 180,000 million after tax on the so-called structured products, and Bank Complaints think DnB NOR must pay both him and other Investment back what they lost.
- DnB NORs sale of two loan funded structured savings have been in conflict with good business, "concludes Bank Complaints.
For DnB is likely to wait several rounds in the courts.
- We are prepared to take out a class of between 20 and 25 people. These are exactly the same product as it applies to this statement, "said lawyer Jens I. Kobro in the law firm Ræder to NTB.
The law firm has been contacted by around 800 people who have waited a long time spent on the Bank Appeal Board's statement. For 300 of them have Ræder already provided specific information about the loan-funded savings they have lost big money.
Since DnB NOR is not alone in having marketed products as Bank Complaints now criticizes sharply, "said Jens I. Kobro there could be multiple separate class.
- It may be relevant with many class action related to various bankers different products, "said Kobro.
And finally the mystery article where that 70 000 number is revealed for the first time
According to a post on the Age of Conan forum Funcom has begun to merge servers. According to Life ™ Finance will now be 49 servers to 18 servers.
-The company is likely to see an upside in the number of players. If one assumes that the serverpark was scaled to 800,000 players assume indicates the number of servers a capacity of 300,000 players while Xfire figures indicate about 70,000 active players today, "said analyst Fredrik Thoresen of DnB NOR Markets to Life ™ Finance.
Thoresen has a holdanbefalning on the stock. At the time the stock traded for 3.10 million, up 1.64 percent.
You see, your genious is a little forumtroll just as bad as all the rest of us, sitting watching his Xfire.
But here is the thing, there are 22 servers (this is a fact because you can go and play on them all), they supports about 400 000 people and Xfire numbers now are about 1/2 of what they were back in Aug when FC reported 415 000 players. What should this tell us? Well Thoresen is certainly not looking on Xfire relative to Aug, because he would then say 200 000 not 70 000. Could our little Xfiretroll be comparing absolute numbers between games? Yes I think so, and it thoroughly shocks me. I think I want to get me one of those jobs and drive the ecconomy down the drain myself.
Goolge Translate is a nice product, and don't think you can BS me just because you are Norwegian.
"Astronomy compels the soul to look upwards and lead us from this world to another." Plato. ______________________________________________________________________________
That would be 22 servers (not including the Russian, Polish and Korean ones coming) - announced last September time - That is pretty good in terms of amount out there for a P2P games?
Your right the pop dropped dramatically end of summer, these days though, most of those that come back can see the changes and appreciate them judging from replies read.
Population going up? Why remove servers then? lol Sorry but MMORPG was better in the old days. Better community, no hate against Russia etc. Why? There was none lol!!! Thanks to EU we now have them all and it's just a mess in games. You try to ask someone in English but all you get back is "bahabsdh ajakad KSAKDJD" how do you make a good game and community with that? GAH!!!! FAILCOM!
I think it is important to see the difference between population increasing and from what point it started, if you compare with the launch the population isn't increasing att all, if you compare from December where the population seemed to settle down at a steady number according to Xfire statistics you will see since then there has been a slight increase in population. Server merge was needed as there was simply too many servers on too little people and that kills a game itself. So merging servers makes the game more alive, more enjoyable and more fun for all, and that is what the merge did both US and EU. Most people on Fury EU can agree the population we have know is awesome compared to how it was pre merge. I love when trolls use the server merge as a reason for the game not growing, it's a good way to make yourself look stupid.
Based on xfire and what I see ingame I would say population is increasing, it isn't increasing with thousands each hour or each day, but it seems to go slowly upwards. Will it last? that time will show.
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I am sorry, but where exactly do you get that Mr. Thoresen's estimates are based on XFire? I doubt that a finanical analyist looks at something like that.
Also, i did not mean to be "cheap" by not translating the entire article. I just did not see it relevant.
The article says that Funcom's stock price has dropped more than 86% in the months still launch of AoC and that it used to be on a high of 55 Norwegian Kroner and that the 325k shares now are worth around 1 million Kroner (around 100k USD give or take).
I am not surprised that Celina Middlefart is buying huge amount of stocks because, as the article also says, Funcom stock seems to be at a steady low at the moment, and any increase in numbers, sales or the launch of the next MMO will surely increase the stock value. So buying now, at the all time steady low, is probably a smart move to make money.
I am sorry, but where exactly do you get that Mr. Thoresen's estimates are based on XFire? I doubt that a finanical analyist looks at something like that.
Also, i did not mean to be "cheap" by not translating the entire article. I just did not see it relevant.
The article says that Funcom's stock price has dropped more than 86% in the months still launch of AoC and that it used to be on a high of 55 Norwegian Kroner and that the 325k shares now are worth around 1 million Kroner (around 100k USD give or take).
I am not surprised that Celina Middlefart is buying huge amount of stocks because, as the article also says, Funcom stock seems to be at a steady low at the moment, and any increase in numbers, sales or the launch of the next MMO will surely increase the stock value. So buying now, at the all time steady low, is probably a smart move to make money.
Earlier article on either VG or dagbladet did mention specificly that their analtics did use Xfire as a tool, some time ago this article was but it was said that xfire is one of the tools to estimate subscriber numbers.
Celina is buying at the right time for sure, if I had 1 million lying I could spend on stocks I too would have bought Funcom stocks. Their price is low, and the closer we get to the next MMO release or next big news from funcom there is a good chance the stock will go up. If you deal with stocks you want to buy when the stocks are low and sell them when they rise. You can wait for the stocks to reach it's peak, but that is risky, because the value an drop fast if it drops.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
There is also good indication that Funcom is being taken private from the inside. When this happens, shares on the open market are bought at premium (usually 10-20%). This would be a quick way to make 10-20% in a month.
But just to warn would-be investors. When funcom fell from 55 to 16, a lot of people said 'buy it now, it is very cheap'. Those people have lost 80% of their money. Even the Insider who bought a lot of shares at $6, has lost 50% of his money. When a stock drops a lot, it's easy to say 'ok, this is absurdly low, it can only go up from here'. But that is not true. The stock has currently lost $52 per share in the last 10 months. If you buy it now, and it loses just $1.50 more.. you have lost 50% of your money.
I am sorry, but where exactly do you get that Mr. Thoresen's estimates are based on XFire? I doubt that a finanical analyist looks at something like that.
Also, i did not mean to be "cheap" by not translating the entire article. I just did not see it relevant.
The article says that Funcom's stock price has dropped more than 86% in the months still launch of AoC and that it used to be on a high of 55 Norwegian Kroner and that the 325k shares now are worth around 1 million Kroner (around 100k USD give or take).
I am not surprised that Celina Middlefart is buying huge amount of stocks because, as the article also says, Funcom stock seems to be at a steady low at the moment, and any increase in numbers, sales or the launch of the next MMO will surely increase the stock value. So buying now, at the all time steady low, is probably a smart move to make money.
Just don't cut things out of context. There is way too many people doing that and it is deceptive at it's best.
As Crashloops says, there is another article on how these analysts use Xfire to determine population simply comparing it to all high Xfire numbers. It's insane at it's best. Having that said we also know AoC have had like +55% population increase over the Holidays and Jan. I personally belive population numbers are way over 200 000. Think about it 22 servers, can support 400000 people when all full. Well from what I have seen and heard most servers are actually getting quite packed. Also revenue numbers (10 Mill USD) indicate that AoC have more than 200 000 players. You have to look at the whole picture and I am sure HOT HOT Celina have done that too.
I don't believe i took things out of context at all. The Celina part at the top was irrelevant compared to the subscription estimate at the bottom. Either section can go without the other really.
I honestly don't want to debate subscription numbers or revenue - all i wanted to do was point out a different view. The only way of knowing numbers is when the company announces them officially, and i guess there is a reason why Funcom has not openly come out and announced any numbers in the last 5 months.
If you have a link to the article that quotes financial analysts (in particular the analyst mentioned in my link) using Xfire for their numbers, please provide it.
And i fail to see what the good (or not) looks of a particular investor have go to to do with anything.
Also: it is interesting that most people talking about Funcom stock fail to understand that it is listed in NOK (Norwegian Kroner) and NOT in US-Dollars. The current worth of Funcom Stock is around 3 Norwegian Kroner per share, which is around 50 US Cent, or 1/2 of a US Dollar. quite a difference.
I don't believe i took things out of context at all. The Celina part at the top was irrelevant compared to the subscription estimate at the bottom. Either section can go without the other really.
I honestly don't want to debate subscription numbers or revenue - all i wanted to do was point out a different view. The only way of knowing numbers is when the company announces them officially, and i guess there is a reason why Funcom has not openly come out and announced any numbers in the last 5 months.
If you have a link to the article that quotes financial analysts (in particular the analyst mentioned in my link) using Xfire for their numbers, please provide it.
And i fail to see what the good (or not) looks of a particular investor have go to to do with anything.
Also: it is interesting that most people talking about Funcom stock fail to understand that it is listed in NOK (Norwegian Kroner) and NOT in US-Dollars. The current worth of Funcom Stock is around 3 Norwegian Kroner per share, which is around 50 US Cent, or 1/2 of a US Dollar. quite a difference.
You di not take things out of context. For christ sake the article is about Celina Middelfart and her empire and how she have invested in FUNCOM now and you refer to the anecdotal information in the bottom of the text. THAT is out of context my friend. More so because she have a reputation for being a serious long term investor and this is very relevant for AoC and FC in a good way. BUT, you had to go for the part that suited your intrest the best. Again what you refer to is not information, it's an anecdotal remark.
So the people who put their money where their mouth is say 70,000
and players who hype the game non-stop say 200,000
hmm. which should I believe?
To quote another historical figure:
"Well that's just... like... your opinion... man."
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
To quote another historical figure:
"Well that's just... like... your opinion... man."
I think not. The title of that article is "Celina are buying FunCom stocks". Also 99% of the text is about her late investments in IT technology. Right in the bottom of the text there are a couple of lines about the broker that use Xfire. Couple of lines = anecdotal information. It's not an opinion, it's a fact that you cut out the majority of that article to fabricate information. *sigh*
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
* Augustana College
www.linkedin.com/in/fredrikth
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
I miss DAoC
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
* Augustana College
www.linkedin.com/in/fredrikth
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
* Augustana College
www.linkedin.com/in/fredrikth
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
Orion FFS show me where I stated the article had anything to do with the price increase.What I was referring to were the large purchases. Apparently you understand very little about the market but but here is a lesson. When people start buying 3200 blocks ( block = 100 shares) of stock the price tends to increase. Funcom generally trades around 200K per day for all of it's transactions combined for reference sake.The article does not even say when she bought those shares but I would bet her initial large purchases began around Dec 8th with more purchases on Dec 29th and January the 12th. When word gets around that someone is buying big chunks of a companies stock the sale price increases just like any other commodity.
Anyway I guess this once and for all will shut up your claims of 300K populations unless you can show me a resume more impressive than Thoresen's LOL. A hold recommendation from a large investment group means the company is on pretty shaky ground.
I miss DAoC
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
* Augustana College
www.linkedin.com/in/fredrikth
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
Orion FFS show me where I stated the article had anything to do with the price increase. The article does not even say when she bought those shares but I would bet her initial large purchases began around Dec 8th with more purchases on Dec 29th and January the 12th.
Anyway I guess this once and for all will shut up your claims of 300K populations unless you can show me a resume more impressive than Thoresen's LOL. A hold reccomnedation from a large investment group means the company is on pretty shaky ground.
I don't know much about stocks so I rather not discuss that if that's ok. But for the resume of that guy I would not be too impressed. DnB bank is apparently about to go bancrupt, in spite of a ton of people with that type of resume. Think about Lehman Brothers, probably even better CV's there, still got fcked up big time. I say use your common sense. I have seen a tremendous activity increase in the game since last month, and I know you have also. Then I have also seen like a +50% increase in Xfire numbers. Play.com got even sold out. Look say what you want but AoC is doing very well. In fact I don't want to see more people on my server, it is uncomfortably packed in some areas.
For your comments on the 2.3 to 3, I don't know what you mean if that's not you trying to say that the article somehow had anything to do with FC stocks going up.
Ehh... Try that Google translator. 70 000 comes from the Xfire guy not from Middelfart.
the Xfire guy as you call him has a hell of a lot better credntials than any of the fanbois here. If he guess 70K pop he is more than likely pretty close to the real figure.
Fredrik Thoresen’s Summary
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
* Augustana College
www.linkedin.com/in/fredrikth
quite frankly my estimate was higher than his but not by much. Assuming AoC had a pop of 70K in early December even a 50% increase in XFire would only put it at around 105K now. If FC's break even is a 150K sub rate they are bleeding money. 4th quarter business report is due 23 February, that should be interesting.
Also the article explains why the stock rebounded from 2.30 NOK ( .32 USD ) up to it's present 3.0 NOK ( 42 USD) . A dime is a dime but even 325, 000 shares at that price is only $136,000 USD not over a million as the translated page states. I guess Google translator has a issue with NOK to USD conversions.
Jackdog FFS you have to start looking on dates dude. FC have been on 3 NOK for weeks or at least since the first days of Jan. And this article published today made that somehow happen? Come on.
Orion FFS show me where I stated the article had anything to do with the price increase. The article does not even say when she bought those shares but I would bet her initial large purchases began around Dec 8th with more purchases on Dec 29th and January the 12th.
Anyway I guess this once and for all will shut up your claims of 300K populations unless you can show me a resume more impressive than Thoresen's LOL. A hold reccomnedation from a large investment group means the company is on pretty shaky ground.
I don't know much about stocks so I rather not discuss that if that's ok. But for the resume of that guy I would not be too impressed. DnB bank is apparently about to go bancrupt, in spite of a ton of people with that type of resume. Think about Lehman Brothers, probably even better CV's there, still got fcked up big time. I say use your common sense. I have seen a tremendous activity increase in the game since last month, and I know you have also. Then I have also seen like a +50% increase in Xfire numbers. Play.com got even sold out. Look say what you want but AoC is doing very well. In fact I don't want to see more people on my server, it is uncomfortably packed in some areas.
For your comments on the 2.3 to 3, I don't know what you mean if that's not you trying to say that the article somehow had anything to do with FC stocks going up.
what is so hard to understand that my statement was refering to the subject of the the article that caused the price incrrease? Not the article itself. I don't know how to make it any plainer or more simple to understand than that.
As far as the bank , damnifIknow but until you can show me a resume with a MBA and 2 undergrad degrees who works as a investment banker and is charge of millions of dollars of other peoples investment money I will take his word over yours any day of the week on the games current population
I miss DAoC
I have seen an huge change in number of players since I start beginning of this year. If I search for people on that search thing up in the corner I get close to 20 online pleyers pr level and that is on a weekday out of primetime. I think AoC has much better population than many other games I have played.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob
20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob
20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
I miss DAoC
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob
20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
70K? Ref please.
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob
20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
70K? Ref please.
translate.google.com/translate 3rd paragraph from bottom
Fredrik Thoresen
He estimates that the "Age of Conan" now has around 70,000 players, against the 415,000 active players Funcom reported in August last year.
his credentials:
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
* Augustana College
www.linkedin.com/in/fredrikth
who he works for - DnB NOR Markets
Company Overview
DnB NOR Markets provides capital markets services. The company’s services include equities trading, corporate finance, foreign exchange dealing, and interest-rate futures and options. It also analyzes and advises on securities, interest rate, and currency markets and offers online investor accounting services. DnB Markets is based in Oslo, Norway and has offices in London, New York, and Singapore.
investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp
got any solid figures from another investment company or a quote from anyone with better credentials?
Until you do I think we can go with 70K as a pretty accurate figure. I am sure you do not like that figure, but that is just tough cookies as they say. The cat is no longer in the bag, the fanboys cry, the shills have no source to prove otherwise.
I miss DAoC
psssssssst I will tell ya a secret. they just merged servers from 50 down to18. Ya think that might have something to do with how many people you are seeing ?
Ohhh don't be too hard on the Noob
20 people pr level logged on in none prime time is a lot, merge or no merge.
shit I didn't see a dozen people in Tarrantia on Wicanna EST prime time just now. AoC has not seen 20 people per level since the week after launch LOL.70K subs on 20 servers dude, read it and weep. Thats a average of what 3K per server if everyone logged on at the same time. I used to see 2 - 3 K logged on Guiniverre when I played DaOC and AoC is averaging that as a total server pop?
70K? Ref please.
translate.google.com/translate 3rd paragraph from bottom
Fredrik Thoresen
He estimates that the "Age of Conan" now has around 70,000 players, against the 415,000 active players Funcom reported in August last year.
his credentials:
Currently working for DnB NOR Markets in Oslo, Norway with equity research, following the Nordic Information Technology sector. Previous experience from the software industry, MBA in International Business, undergrad Economics and Computer Science.
Current Position
* Equity Analyst at DnB NOR Markets
Education
* Monterey Institute of International Studies, Fisher Graduate School of International Business
* Augustana College
www.linkedin.com/in/fredrikth
who he works for - DnB NOR Markets
Company Overview
DnB NOR Markets provides capital markets services. The company’s services include equities trading, corporate finance, foreign exchange dealing, and interest-rate futures and options. It also analyzes and advises on securities, interest rate, and currency markets and offers online investor accounting services. DnB Markets is based in Oslo, Norway and has offices in London, New York, and Singapore.
investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/snapshot.asp
got any solid figures from another investment company or a quote from anyone with better credentials?
Until you do I think we can go with 70K as a pretty accurate figure. I am sure you do not like that figure, but that is just tough cookies as they say. The cat is no longer in the bag, the fanboys cry, the shills have no source to prove otherwise.
Last time I checked it's the guy that try to establish something that need to back it up with facts. You refer to one sentence by a guy you belive a lot in (Your whole post is about how much you belive in him actually). But you see, regardless of how much you worship this guy, you still have failed to bring up the calculation or other numbers that support your claim. I say again, Ref please?
Untill you either can produce Thoresens or any other estimate (calculation) or hard facts of any other kind, your claim is void.
Meanwhile since you seem to understand Norwegian so well; If I am not wrong this article in the financial newspaper Hegnar show how much DnB is collapsing (hmm, maybe you can team up with Thoresen, he seem to be in need of a new job)
www.hegnar.no/bors/article355658.ece, www.hegnar.no/bors/article355661.ece .
The last link sound something like this
DnB went on a blistering defeat for loan-funded savings, but refuses to pay customers back what they lost.
Complaints Bank on Tuesday Ivar Petter Røeggen from Averøy on Nordmøre pursuance of the case he had built against Norway's largest financial conglomerates. Røeggen expect that he has lost 180,000 million after tax on the so-called structured products, and Bank Complaints think DnB NOR must pay both him and other Investment back what they lost.
- DnB NORs sale of two loan funded structured savings have been in conflict with good business, "concludes Bank Complaints.
For DnB is likely to wait several rounds in the courts.
- We are prepared to take out a class of between 20 and 25 people. These are exactly the same product as it applies to this statement, "said lawyer Jens I. Kobro in the law firm Ræder to NTB.
The law firm has been contacted by around 800 people who have waited a long time spent on the Bank Appeal Board's statement. For 300 of them have Ræder already provided specific information about the loan-funded savings they have lost big money.
Since DnB NOR is not alone in having marketed products as Bank Complaints now criticizes sharply, "said Jens I. Kobro there could be multiple separate class.
- It may be relevant with many class action related to various bankers different products, "said Kobro.
And finally the mystery article where that 70 000 number is revealed for the first time
www.hegnar.no/analyser/article353221.ece
According to a post on the Age of Conan forum Funcom has begun to merge servers. According to Life ™ Finance will now be 49 servers to 18 servers.
-The company is likely to see an upside in the number of players. If one assumes that the serverpark was scaled to 800,000 players assume indicates the number of servers a capacity of 300,000 players while Xfire figures indicate about 70,000 active players today, "said analyst Fredrik Thoresen of DnB NOR Markets to Life ™ Finance.
Thoresen has a holdanbefalning on the stock. At the time the stock traded for 3.10 million, up 1.64 percent.
You see, your genious is a little forumtroll just as bad as all the rest of us, sitting watching his Xfire.
But here is the thing, there are 22 servers (this is a fact because you can go and play on them all), they supports about 400 000 people and Xfire numbers now are about 1/2 of what they were back in Aug when FC reported 415 000 players. What should this tell us? Well Thoresen is certainly not looking on Xfire relative to Aug, because he would then say 200 000 not 70 000. Could our little Xfiretroll be comparing absolute numbers between games? Yes I think so, and it thoroughly shocks me. I think I want to get me one of those jobs and drive the ecconomy down the drain myself.
Goolge Translate is a nice product, and don't think you can BS me just because you are Norwegian.
nice to hear that the population is increasing, might start playing it myself again.
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http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/funcom-to-close-over-half-of-conan-servers
From 49 servers to .. just 18 worldwide.
Clearly population is increasing [ not ] hehe
That would be 22 servers (not including the Russian, Polish and Korean ones coming) - announced last September time - That is pretty good in terms of amount out there for a P2P games?
Your right the pop dropped dramatically end of summer, these days though, most of those that come back can see the changes and appreciate them judging from replies read.
I think it is important to see the difference between population increasing and from what point it started, if you compare with the launch the population isn't increasing att all, if you compare from December where the population seemed to settle down at a steady number according to Xfire statistics you will see since then there has been a slight increase in population. Server merge was needed as there was simply too many servers on too little people and that kills a game itself. So merging servers makes the game more alive, more enjoyable and more fun for all, and that is what the merge did both US and EU. Most people on Fury EU can agree the population we have know is awesome compared to how it was pre merge. I love when trolls use the server merge as a reason for the game not growing, it's a good way to make yourself look stupid.
Based on xfire and what I see ingame I would say population is increasing, it isn't increasing with thousands each hour or each day, but it seems to go slowly upwards. Will it last? that time will show.
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