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Looking for an MMORPG and this one caught my eye.
AdamFromAC
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Well I've been looking for a real MMORPG to play (I have experiance with Runescape, Maple Story, and Mabinogi) and this one to me seems a little more interesting than the others. I've read a lot about the game, I remember getting GMR for awhile before they ended it and my favorite part of the magazine was always the "My Life in Vana Diel" article they always had in the back of the mag.
Anyways I have a few questions about this game.
1. Do a lot of people still play this? I've seen the statistics and WoW has a lot more players but I'm not really into the style of that game.
2. Say I play for awhile but then not play for a month. If I want to start up again will I lose my charecter for not paying the monthly fee the one month I didn't feel like paying for?
3. How do you rank it compared to other MMORPGs?
4. Would it be good to start playing the game now. I.e. its been out for awhile should I just play a newer MMO?
I've heard this game is pretty intense and difficult and you need a party to get to the higher levels. But thats one of the reasons it caught my eye I want to play with a bunch of guys not just solo by myself the entire time.
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Have fun man. It is an amazing game.
There is a fair number still playing.Do not let the WOW numbers fool you,the early noob areas are just like any other established game they are empty.Besides games are divided into servers,the over all total players playing a game has zero reflection on individual servers.
The game will be lonely for the first 10 or so levels ,i would try very hard to hit 12 solo.Then most new players meet up in Valkurm Dunes,where it is hit and miss to finding a party.
As far as ranking against other MMO's that would take many pages to describe each individual area.I will try to sum it up in a quick like fashion.FFXI is more challenging that other MMO's,it also has more content than other mMO's but most if not al lthe content is done in groups,but their are things you can do alone that do take a fair bit of work and time.FFXI's battle/combat system ranks#1 in my books but there are many of course who want the simpler rapid fashion killing ,pop heal pots and repeat 24/7 until their eyes bleed lol,this is why i said IMO.
As far as realistic expectations and playing it now as compared to another game,that needs questions answered.It would depend on what you want from the game,your goals,as some of the goals would take years to complete,but i guarantee you that unless Square releases a new game,there will still be many players playing,they have yet to implement server mergers,so we are a long time from that happening.I would say every single job has it's fun moments so many people like to play and try many different jobs,so the fun is never ending.
Here is the biggie,you can with an experienced guide ..ahem lol,get through the early main content pretty quick,the game as a whole is VERY time consuming,so if you feel you have the time to donate,then there is no reason you can't succeed or have fun.
If you do decide to play,you can call me in PAndemonium server i have several players ,i tend to frequent masterofpuppets or centurion.I could help you understand much of the game early,a lot more so than going it on your own.I might not be on everyday but every other day is a good bet.I would say start your player in Sandy or Windy both have better oppotunities to making gil in early stages.
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Hey thanks for the feed back.
I think I'll check this one out.
But I've got one more question. What would be a fun class to choose?
I'm looking at Red Mage with a Ninja sub, later on.
best to try classes out and see how you like them. I find PUP really fun. THF is nice I can't stand RDM ... spork in the eye is more appealing, but others love it so it is just a matter of taste.
FFXI reported having 500000 subscribers. I find around 1500-2200 concurrent players in each server that I play in. FFXI action/pacing is closer to Mabinogi than WoW.
Your characters will be kept if you take a break and stop subscribing.
For me, this game is up there with WoW. For most, this game is somewhere between WoW and EQ2. For a few, this game is at the bottom right next to NGE SWG.
In my opinion, unless you prefer only playing MMOs at release, it's better to start playing MMOs well after launch for a more stabilized community.
This game is the exact opposite of playing a Tauren Shaman in WoW, which is good if WoW is not your style. You can't trample through enemies as your level and you have to progress with a party.
I guess you can say the class differences also will create an acceptance atmosphere for you if you play BRD, you will find people are hundred time nicer if you are a brd.
Rdm is so so. No one care about pup, smn and blm.
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I've started playing FFXI for the first time after holding back for a few years (should of listened to my instinct) this past saturday and stopped playing yesterday and I will tell you why in 10 reasons :
1- Since the mini map is a absolute failure you desperatly need to get a guide for the quests,I wonder how in the world they kept the game running for this long with a mini map that a 6 year old can create,a circle with the north south east west,green dots = NPC , blue dots = players...simply pathetic.
2- You seriously need to have real life friends that are interested in trying it out and playing it otherwise you'll just get bored over time,in my case after 3 days along with my friends that stopped playing after 24 hours and went back to our respective MMO,which are WoW and EVE-online
3- I reached level 11,died ,rolled back to level 10,really pissed me off
4- I thought WoW had alot of walking to do,FFXI tops the cake big time,loads of walking to do,the funny part is before you log in FFXI you get a word from the DEVS that they don't want the game to compromise your real life.When it takes 20-30 minutes to get from Windurst to that Canyon all the way up north it kind of comprimises my real life and I haven't killed anything along the way.
5- 12.xx$ a month is a rip off if you ask me,I'd probably pay 5-6$ max a month,I'm on the free trial,and I already cancelled my account,I would much rather get a 3rd EVE-online account before paying 13$ for a FFXI account.
6- Job system,I first thought that you get a main job and at a certain level you get a support job and both level at the same time,apparently I was wrong and your support job is 50% or less then your main job level,kind of crappy,13$ for a grind grind grind fiesta,Maple Story FTW.
7- MMORPG.com are generous giving the game a 6.5,I'd give it a 3.5 all of it on graphics,gameplay is a failure,especially when I'm playing my black mage and constantly getting interrupted while casting
8- Square Enix should stick to what they do best since early 1990's and create amazing stand alone games and leave the MMO genre to the pros, FF2 Kain/Edge FTW & FF3 Cyan/Shadow FTW
9- I fail to understand how people play this,and my hats off to you people actually enjoying the game.
10- They say FFXI is complicated and complex. Actually it seems complicated because it was poorly thought through.Again don't be fooled by graphics,and their job system and such,it's just a grind trap,if your already in WoW stick with it,you'll get nothing good playing FFXI. Hell,if you really wanna be part of a job system just get FF5 on the SNES which is way more fun then FFXI,which I am currently doing
Here are my 10 reasons for quitting FFXI and I will not come back anytime soon (not in this life time anyway). At least now I get to brag that I actually tried the game out and for 30$ for the original game and all 4 expansions was a nice deal,too bad the contents weren't as sweet
Also just to point out your 1st paragraph something caught my eye : I remember getting GMR for awhile before they ended it and my favorite part of the magazine was always the "My Life in Vana Diel" ... Don't be fooled by articles,it's like a infomercial trying to sale you something crappy,if you really want to try the game out they have a 30 day free trial,and only you will decide if the game is right for you or not.Enjoy your experience!
So then you're saying that FFXI being rated in the top 5 MMOs, and frequently at the #3 & #4 spot since its launch is not pro enough!
Just admit the game was too hard for ya and move along instead of complaining about it!
Last I checked its been:
So then you're saying that FFXI being rated in the top 5 MMOs, and frequently at the #3 & #4 spot since its launch is not pro enough!
Just admit the game was too hard for ya and move along instead of complaining about it!
Last I checked its been:
You're mistaking devoted fanbase for quality gameplay. FFXI had cuteness and Final Fantasy franchise backing it. Their MMO system mashed EQ's concepts and FF's concepts into one--- it works only for the masochistic.
Its a pity the poster is going out to get the game and probably not reading this thread anymore. I do believe that SuprGamerX has a lot of good points as to why this game isn't too fun. I've played MMOs before and after FFXI, like TheRealms, The 4th Coming, Asheron's Call, Merdian 59, Ultima Online, in my pre-teen years... and the only reason I see that people play FFXI is the visuals and the JRPG feel of it.
Note that its the only MMO Square-Enix has. FFXI is doing okay, but its not great enough that they feel its a good enough to further invest in.
Uh no, Square runs like 7 other MMOs in Japan that never got released over here. Thats why there is a PlayOnline as it links your account to all the other MMOs and other Square related news. Everyone else outside the US only got FFXI but we use the same system! Many of them are like a cheap F2P Korean grinder we see frequently released, but 2-3 of them are really nice almost AAA quality!
I don't recall all the games, but I'm sure you can prolly find a list of the other MMOs that Square has made and are running! One of the F2P style I mentioned is called Concerto Gate which is actually being localized for the US atm.
That just negated everything you said. You came in with a WoW mentality, when this game is nothing like it.
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That just negated everything you said. You came in with a WoW mentality, when this game is nothing like it.
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This game is nothing like WoW, I'm sorry that we don't like easy game's.
Who said FFXI is worse work of SE?
Seriously, whoever said that should learn to count.
FFXI being the one of most money maker of SE is what keeping SE living. For one, SE know that MMO there is no illegal copies, hence they don't lose 50% of their profit to Pirate stuff.
Not everyone on your block like FF, don't assume their sales can even reach what FFXI make consider 1 avg FFXI player pay 156$ per year + 40 buck for the original + 40 (if he brought each expansion instead of the pack) x3
a 7 year player might already pay over 1000 bucks to SE.
Seriously, a person owning all FF titles except FFXI can't even spend over 1k.
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The only reason why you did quit it was because it is to hard, your "10 reasons" just make you sound weak and like you need to play Flyff or some game where you dont have to do a anything and everithing is so perfect that it becomes boring. that about the map, it's just so the game wont be to easy.
okay all you wrote is wrong you don't know the game, you dont got the feeling of it, FFXI is like heroine it's said.
and SE is making a new mmo which will cover your graphic problem, if you seen FFXII and FFXIII then you know how good it is. the game will be called "Codename: Rapture" seach on the net if you people wanna know more
There's always I chance for something new and exciting to happen, so I can always wait until tomorrow.
Oh look another troll ... I'll play the game point-by-point >.>
1) Oh wow ... the minimap doesn't put little "!" on your map to tell you that there is a quest. Boo-hoo. The map is supposed to give you an indication of you immediate surroundings. So it shows you the interactable things around you. Heaven forbid you need to do some work and interact with those nodes to figure out what you are supposed to do. Sorry you need to be spoon feed everything, is your mom's sense of fashion up to the times b/c you are going to look foolish having her dress you too.
2) So my assumption is that you didn't try and make friends either. I ment my first person in game within 10 minutes. Got my first serious friend that i'd /tell back and forth with a lot a day or so later. Started partying with the same people got to chat it up in parties then. Just because you don't make and effort and want to be anti-social doesn't mean the game suck, it means you do. I have to admit though this game (and any MMO to be hoenst) is 100 times better when you have people to play with IRL, but that also makes your point moot.
3) Not the first game to have a death penalty and probably won't be the last. I hope they don't at least because it is (OMG WAIT FOR IT) and challenge that way. If you have no penalty then there is no reason to try and get better.
4) I can get almost anywhere in the game within 5 minutes. It comes from play the game more than a day and opening up modes of transportation. If you want to play a game that is a lot of walking go play LotRO (which i might restate is also a very good game) . I have started new characters and it pains me to not have these modes opened up, but if you want and expansive MMO then you need open space and to navigate open space with no mode of transportation you need to walk. Shocker.
5) City of Heroes/Villians, Pirates of the Burning Sea, The Matrix Online .. they all cost more and they blow. You precious Wolrd of Warcraft and Eve Online also cost more. You don't like the price point don't play. Considering you are on a free trail you have no room to even begin an argument.
6) So you didn't do research on the game and you are complaining that it isn't exactly how you think it should be. That is just pathetic.
7) Yay, game isn't a fucking cartoon. The game is going on 7 years old again if you would have read about the game you might have figured that out. Also the game was made for the PlayStation 2. The game looks amazing for the time it was made and with the Xbox360 and tweeks to the PC version it can look even better. Default setting suck, but you can change them and you can find out how to change it if you want to find out. You don't so you won't.
8) I think others on the forums can contest to the amount of MMOs SE has put you. I was waiting to see if Fantasy Earth was going to be localized and if I could read the kanji I would be playing that too. By the way, FF4 and FF6 cheif.
9) Well ... the crux of the issue with your post. You don't understand so you are bashing what you don't know. Maybe if you tried you would have understood something or maybe you are just so used to having crap spoon fed to you.
10) It is hard, it is challenging. If you want to be babied and pampered through a game: http://www.hellokittyonline.com/us/ go have fun. You don't like the game, you refuse to try and understand the game you are a troll.
The funny thing about trolls on these forums is that you think we give a shit about what you think. We enjoy the game, you do not. So leave. There are things I don't like about the design in this game like quest progression for instance. There is no rhyme or reason to go from one NPC to the next on quests. I don't like it, but I put up with it because I like the game in general.
The only thing you are doing is trying to spread your hate. If this is the pinnicle of your life, coming onto the forums of a game and bash it after 3 days, why do you think that your opinion matters. It is really a pathetic life. Go plant a tree it will do some good for other things that the voices in your own head. The only thing you have accomplished for me is keep my occupied for 30 minutes at work so basically I am getting paid to read this and laugh my ass off.
You don't see me coming into the WoW forums and bashing that game. And I have more fodder to play with since I have a multiple characters at 30+ and played on two separate occasions. Three days and you think it makes you an expert to criticize.
The people on these forums are not your typical fan boys. We can accept critism of the game, we can debate the goods and bads of it. If you come in with an informed decision and say that you don't like something you can be respected for it. We might not agree, but your opinion will matter. You have no informed opinion, it isn't exactly how you think it should be and the highlight of your life is talking it down. Congrats.
All i really have to say is:
Win ... Sorry your Death Knight is level 80. Now leave.
That troll is new to MMO, don't blame him.
I am amaze he actually last to level 11 to delevel to 10 and that is 3 day worth of playing. Of course, i usually get to 20 in half a day or 1 day worth of game time.
He must be missing his griffens from WoW and those mounts.
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Damn, i've been trying to find this link for AGES. Thanks. *Goes to sign up*
I think others have nailed it so far. It's not WoW. If you want a game that makes you invest time to get rewards this is the game for you. If you only have a few hours a week to devote to it, avoid this game as you will not like it. Simple enough. I won't go so far as to say the people who disliked it are trolls as much as they did zero research into the game it seems. I am not sure *why* people do this but i like to have a good base knowledge of the game before i even decide if it will take up residence on my Harddrive as an install file, let along installed.
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RDM/NIN is a great combo later in the game but this sould not be your first priority honestly. You should decide wether you want to do melee or mage early on (You can change jobs between WAR/MNk/THF and RDM/BLM/WHM to get a feel for them). See which ones you feel more at home with and start going in that direction first. RDM/NIN is only a good option when you have RDM75 with some merits in it as well as NIN to 37 which is expensive (and an advanced job you have to unlock).
The two jobs I generally reccomend to new players are WHM (If mage) or WAR (if melee) because both of those can be sub jobs to their respective classes. WHM can sub to any mage job and WAR to any melee job. Again, get a feel for it. If you choose/chose Bismarck give me a /tell and I can show you around. I'm Bastokian (if you choose to go with them) as well. I have the game up 24/7 so if I don't reply straight away I am afk. Try again later or I will get back to you when i am back.
Also, last but certainly not least, welcome to Vana'Diel.
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Alright thanks. My second choice for a job combo would of been Paladin/War but idk if I want to be a straight up tank. But yeah I'll definately take your advice, and when I get the game I'll hit you up.
There really isn't a non-straight up tank ... PLD and NIN have the role already ... NIN can just be a DD. Likewise WAR could tank if you need them to, but not as well as the others.
Well I just add my two cents and say after 700 days playtime I still find that that game has lot to offer. Even more new content coming this year for the old stories lines. I know a lot of players been around like me for over 4 years. You either like Final Fantasy and the world of stuff that goes with it or you do not. I find that most long time ppl in this "mmo" are fans of the series and we love the game.
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I understand we get a ton of trolls here at MMORPG, and more then likely he was one of them, but can you really blame new players for not enjoying FFXI?
This is a new market and new generation of mmo'ers.
- Most now a days began their mmo career in either WoW, LotRO, or MapleStory and not UO, EQ or free MUDs.
- They learned to rvr in Warhammer and not DoAC and think you pvp to get gear.
- They live in a world where Darkfall's release has only been pushed back once!
- A world where "of course Vanguard failed".
- They think mission running in EvE is "what you do" to play the game.
- Most can't even remember originally WoW's only raid bosses were classic outdoor spawns which guilds fought over, that many believed it to be the spiritual successor to EQ (before massive instancing, reduction in xp needed to level, and pvp regulated to BG's).
- Most think AoC was original in it's world pvp implementation. (god rest your soul Shadowbane)
- This is a generation that grew up on FFX, not FFV.
- A generation where FPS's reign supreme, action can't come fast enough, and rewards must come quickly and cheaply.
In a game where the new player experience hasn't changed since 2002, a game where (at least initially) you can't move around with the wasd keys, a game where you have to hack your own registry to make the graphics actually look good, a game where the Frost 10-15 levels are the loneliest grinding (not questing) in the game, you expect this new generation to get it and tough it out?
FFXI's great accomplishments are it's storyline, complexity, and livability of it's world. I guess you could say it's greatest accomplishment really is the sense of accomplishment you get by progressing.
I don't see how anyone on this board can expect new players from this generation to understand why FFXI is what it i, a good old-fashion bad a$$ mmorpg.
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I agreed with you all the way up to the point that you where dead wrong. Level synced changed FFXI forever and makes any new gamers experience a breeze through the first 10 to 20 levels. In fact many "new mmo's" have found this game since these radical changes, included in there was no experience lose during missions and the addition of just random chest of items that help even a lvl 5 with no sub job. In fact since the first year of FFXI the game has evolved and not stayed what you say "unchanged since 2002". The change in year one at level 50 to 51 from 40k of experience to 20k is just one example of work done.
The biggest complaint if have about FFXI is the massive changes that constantly come down the pike, making the game much more like all the modern MMO's and not like the original franchise....
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You need to get your information right. I went from Ffxi being my 1st game to beta testing wow.
False about your wow comment. Molten core was released WAY BEFORE ITS WORLD BOSSES. Your very wrong on trying to mention that demografic of players. A better comment would be . new gamers to wow never experienced 40 man raids as blizzard toned it down.
Now that last sentence brings up on how wrong your complaints of ffxi are wrong.
It shows me or you stopped playing this game long ago , or you have completely ignored every new thing that was added and only focused on grinding . I left ffxi around early 2004 when i beta tested wow. Back then FFxi was very harsh but not as hard as eq. It focused mostly on socializing and grouping in order to progress. In the course of the years till today. i have revisited ffxi 2 times. the last time a few years ago to revisit ffxi with a friend as my 1st visit i fell victim to following the masses and missing out on the stroy this game wants you to explore. By that time they did add more exp to mobs and it took longer for them not to give you exp thus opening up chances to solo with some classes and duo / trio instead of doing full teams all the time. Yes these were less efficient but it did help out the game. However at that time rmt was at its peak wich shuned my friend and i off.
I cam back recently to find out how many new things they added not only for the new players who come but also when you decide to change your job. They made the start of the game much more appealing . quests that give exp from a book you find. A tutorial npc that rewards you from doing things to understand all the aspects of the game ect. there are many new ways to get exp now.
one thing that bothers me most about your post is how you lied about the wasd movement. It quite tells me you know nothing of the game even if your playing now or not or just babbling nonsence from your experience many years ago. On the menu you go to config and there is an option to choose keyboard or compact.
Compact was made for laptop users and it has been in there since the game was released. compact does offer the wasd movement. Shows you well how much you want to troll the game.
Due to the consoles if a new player was intrested in buying the game to keep on after the trail they actually have to buy it from a store. the collection set comes with a nifty poster like guide explaining key elements of the game.
Unlike games of now where a npc has some sort of thing floating above his head tells you there is a quest and all the other npc's are just...there you cannot interact with em. FFxi does not have that. every npc can be talked to thus having a huge story to be discovered.
FFxi was never advertized as a solo game. This game you need to socialize. Square has done a good job in making high lvl players drop to the lvl of the newbies and being able to help out without destroying their progress while in other games a high lvl will demolish all and the player is only rewarded for getting the quest done.
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