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[mmorpg.com]Doing more harm than good?
daywalker27
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I've been waiting for Darkfall for nearly 3 years, the game has always had a good base with the community. The sound the game was making in the MMO industry back then was quiet and humble, with the people who did like it not saying much about it, and the people who thought it was never coming out keeping it to themselves (mostly).
This was the way it was up until they started giving a late 2008/Jan. 22 date. That's when the MMO community overall started paying attention to it and both overhyping fan boys that found out about the game yesterday and hard core nay-sayers starting griping the game everywhere both on the DF site and other forums, such as this one.
One of the main reasons DF started getting so much attention was this site, and when all the new people signing up on DF when they heard the sound of a release date, they started hyping this shit out of the game.
Now for a company that never wanted to make a game for everyone, they had designed this game for a certain group. And I browse these forums seeing people say they the developers are being over ambitious hyping the game way too much than it really is, when in fact the developers have only stated things they are trying to put in the game, and that they know the game won't please everyone.
It makes me think that when the media started saying the game was coming out soon and put a spotlight ont he game in return giving Darkfall a trashy community of new comers, did more harm to this game than it will ever do good.
With the new beta leaks I keep hearing the ressounding echo of it just needs a little more work and it will be just what the developers aimed for, that if the devs decide to shove the game out on the 25th of Feb and it turns out the beta leaks were right, it just needed some time, but they couldn't delay it because they would be harassed way to much by the media and loose a lot of the new comers that signed up due to sites like these.
tl;dr Version: Is the overwhelming attention given by sites such as this giving DF a trashy bunch of newcomers that will force Aventurine to release the game early even if it needs more time going to ruin the game? In my opinion this was the case of AoC, except AoC always wanted that attention, when DF doesn't.
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People need this site.
The official site and the devs are pathological liars and cannot be trusted for anything. Plus they delete any slightly negative thread on their forums. This site lets people realize that the rainbows and sunshines promised are total BS.
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Now for a company that never wanted to make a game for everyone, they had designed this game for a certain group
i'm sure you or someone else who wants to blame or misdirect all the negitive attention this game gets off the dev team has a list of these people
just so i know am i on the list was the game being made and relesed to the public include me ?
Not sure, but I think it's sad that an indie team is being trashed and held up to a much higher standard than the uber rich design companies.
They're an indie team trying to do something different - why all of the hate?
Blizzard could make Darkfall right now (with much cooler graphics/animations and a quality engine) if it wanted to, but they won't. They only want to make what will make them the most money, so they say "fuck creativity" in favor of cash.
That's fine, but it's not as admirable as the Darkfall team which is going with a risky niche game because it's a game they'd love to see - not because it's guaranteed money, which it obviously isn't.
And I'm not so naive to think that Adventurine doesn't want money too, but at least they're trying to do something different.
Can you please point out direct quotes with links of Tasos lieing.
If you are going to try and say that "Everyone will be able to try the game before it releases" quote, that is not a lie, seeing as there's a month before release and they can still do it.
This is one of the most delusional, retarded, batshit insane pile of tripe I've ever read. Good job.
Learn English so I can understand this post and I might throw a reply at it.
So mmorpg.com MADE Aventurine put the "Coming 2008" on their video that they released to the media?
And mmorpg.com MADE Tasos say that it was Releasing inside of 2008?
And mmorpg.com MADE Tasos tell the audience at the ADW event the Open Beta would be finished in early December 2008?
And mmorpg.com MADE Aventurine spit out the JOINT Release date of Jan. 22nd when Tasos obviously knew it would NOT be ready?
Ahh... I didn't know that mmorpg.com was the godfather of MMO sites. Cool.
The purpose of this website is to inform and provide discussion (when it's not be moderated by people with sledgehammers).
If this site was full of all fanbois or all haters...THEN it would be useless as no opinions are being shared at that point.
Learn English so I can understand this post and I might throw a reply at it.
ohay here is my question again since you seem not to understand
you stated the devs never ment this game for everyone
i asked if you had access to the list of names who this game is for
there ya go
The only reason the game got noticed was because the devs themselves began promoting the game way way back in early developement.
The media isnt to really blame for the state of DFO forums across the net. The game really started to get noticed when the fans began promoting it on different forums back in 2001. The EQ forums I used to frequent were full of "This game is going to rock!" and "Will you play Darkfall when it releases?"
The media is not what harms a game. The devs give a press release or an update that become talking points for the game. The people who follow a game use those talking points to hype a game or trash it. Those who hype the game start to build this imaginary game of awesomeness in thier head, while those who trash it make this image of the ultimate fail.
Information is what levels the field, and this game lacks any sort of info to provent speculation from running rampant.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Can you please point out direct quotes with links of Tasos lieing.
If you are going to try and say that "Everyone will be able to try the game before it releases" quote, that is not a lie, seeing as there's a month before release and they can still do it.
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/2494/from/%2Ffeatures.cfm%2Fview%2Flatest/Interview-with-Tasos-Flambouras.html
Tasos Flambouras: "Darkfall could launch today." Dec. 4th 2008
If you do not consider that a lie... then no other proof will matter to you, so there is no point in posting any other ones.
If you actually look up the direct quotes of Tasos during the ADW, he said "I hope we can get an open beta running in December."
Tasos gave reasons why they weren't able to release it Jan 22, one being the overwhelming spike of attention the game got.
Tasos obviously believes the game can be released now, so saying he obviously knows it wouldn't be ready is a lie on your side.
And as I said in my OP, a large part of the reason this game is being so negatively hyped is that when a this site specifically gave it so much attention and such a crappy immature influx of newcomers that when delays, which inevitably always happen, flame the game to no tommorow.
This was meant to be a discussion, and I probably won't be able to reply to everyone, I will try though.
This is one of the most delusional, retarded, batshit insane pile of tripe I've ever read. Good job.
How is it batshit insane? Saying that I think it's nice to have a company trying to make an innovative game vs a company that is just trying to make the most mainstream game it can for mass appeal is crazy?
Learn English so I can understand this post and I might throw a reply at it.
ohay here is my question again since you seem not to understand
you stated the devs never ment this game for everyone
i asked if you had access to the list of names who this game is for
there ya go
Game was meant for the niche group that wants a more UO styled game.
This is my opinion at least and what I believe is the dev's opinions as well.
Can you please point out direct quotes with links of Tasos lieing.
If you are going to try and say that "Everyone will be able to try the game before it releases" quote, that is not a lie, seeing as there's a month before release and they can still do it.
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/2494/from/%2Ffeatures.cfm%2Fview%2Flatest/Interview-with-Tasos-Flambouras.html
Tasos Flambouras: "Darkfall could launch today." Dec. 4th 2008
If you do not consider that a lie... then no other proof will matter to you, so there is no point in posting any other ones.
That is NOT a lie. He believes the game could launch that day, not if the game would be stable and good, I don't know.
And he has already stated, as I said in my other post, that a reason they also have to delay (KEEP IN MIND THIS ISN'T THE SOLE REASON) is that the playerbase has grown to a size larger than what they imagined.
To the OP. The exposure of this game on MMORPG did not start with a release date. That includes the illusion to the December release, the "official" January release, or the upcoming February release. The influx of fans on MMORPG started several months before that in the form of hyping the game through the mmorpg.com system, and worse, by fans of Darkfall rating every upcoming game negatively to bump Darkfall up to the top of the list (where it stayed until December failed to produce a release). At this same time Darkfall fans spammed nearly every individual game forum on MMORPG to try to gain support for their game. They failed in a major way here, by manipulating the hype/ratings system, and spamming the forums, they placed the game under player scrutiny, and have yet to peak above the trench since.
Games that they de-hyped included the Chronicles of Spellborn, Jumpgate Evolution, and Aion, all of which appear to be meeting their production goals and promises, with plenty of industry oversight. Darkfall is shooting itself in the foot. The hype their fanbase created here started a sort of war I am not sure Aventurtine can win.
Hey, if they had left the SWG Debris forums alone, I wouldn't even be posting this, so great job guys.
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Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
I think you are correct the developers may have unintentionally said things which were misstook by the readers, but is this the dev's fault? Maybe, I blame it on their lack of experience which is undeniably a large part they are getting such criticizim, but as I said before mmorpg.com and other sites gave the game so much attention that the people you let's say played WAR with that cried nerf whenever they were killed by someone started looking into DF seeing people say the game actually takes "skill", and the imagintion in those people start to think they are good and can be good, so they start to hype the game and then tell their friends and then it just turns into a big shit fest that keeps growing all because that one person found out about the game which shouldn't, in my opinion, be legally allowed to own a computer.
This is one of the most delusional, retarded, batshit insane pile of tripe I've ever read. Good job.
How is it batshit insane? Saying that I think it's nice to have a company trying to make an innovative game vs a company that is just trying to make the most mainstream game it can for mass appeal is crazy?
Innovative in what way exactly? Just because it's "niche" and caters to a very small crowd makes it "innovative"? And just because many many people find Blizzard's games fun makes them "uncreative"?
Stop regurgitating the inanities that Aventurine had been feeding you fanboys to hype the game and get a grip on reality.
Can you please point out direct quotes with links of Tasos lieing.
If you are going to try and say that "Everyone will be able to try the game before it releases" quote, that is not a lie, seeing as there's a month before release and they can still do it.
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/2494/from/%2Ffeatures.cfm%2Fview%2Flatest/Interview-with-Tasos-Flambouras.html
Tasos Flambouras: "Darkfall could launch today." Dec. 4th 2008
If you do not consider that a lie... then no other proof will matter to you, so there is no point in posting any other ones.
That is NOT a lie. He believes the game could launch that day, not if the game would be stable and good, I don't know.
And he has already stated, as I said in my other post, that a reason they also have to delay (KEEP IN MIND THIS ISN'T THE SOLE REASON) is that the playerbase has grown to a size larger than what they imagined.
But saying they didnt imagine a potential playerbase to grow that large is like disaster relief agencies saying they didnt expect that many people seeking assistance after Katrina hit. Just an excuse for poor preplanning and anticipation.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
-Atziluth-
- Never underestimate the predictability of stupidity.
Can you please point out direct quotes with links of Tasos lieing.
If you are going to try and say that "Everyone will be able to try the game before it releases" quote, that is not a lie, seeing as there's a month before release and they can still do it.
www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/4/feature/2494/from/%2Ffeatures.cfm%2Fview%2Flatest/Interview-with-Tasos-Flambouras.html
Tasos Flambouras: "Darkfall could launch today." Dec. 4th 2008
If you do not consider that a lie... then no other proof will matter to you, so there is no point in posting any other ones.
That is NOT a lie. He believes the game could launch that day, not if the game would be stable and good, I don't know.
And he has already stated, as I said in my other post, that a reason they also have to delay (KEEP IN MIND THIS ISN'T THE SOLE REASON) is that the playerbase has grown to a size larger than what they imagined.
He also said at the same time that the game at it's current state is "MORE READY AND FEATURE COMPLETE THAN MOST OTHER MMOS IN THE MARKET".
Care to take a shot at spinning that one too?
The only opinionated and critical statement i've witnessed come from this sites staff is when Jon Wood expressed concern over Aventurines announcement they were going to take preorders. Otherwise, they have been neutral in their coverage and only moderate this forum when posters violate the sites policies.
People posting on forums isn't going to force Aventurine to release the game prematurely. Pressure from investors, funds drying up, etc., would force Aventurine to release the game prematurely. Just like how Eidos and EA forced Funcom and Mythic to push their games out the door. mmorpg.com didn't announce the 1/22/09 release date either, they merely picked up the story.
To the OP. The exposure of this game on MMORPG did not start with a release date. That includes the illusion to the December release, the "official" January release, or the upcoming February release. The influx of fans on MMORPG started several months before that in the form of hyping the game through the mmorpg.com system, and worse, by fans of Darkfall rating every upcoming game negatively to bump Darkfall up to the top of the list (where it stayed until December failed to produce a release). At this same time Darkfall fans spammed nearly every individual game forum on MMORPG to try to gain support for their game. They failed in a major way here, by manipulating the hype/ratings system, and spamming the forums, they placed the game under player scrutiny, and have yet to peak above the trench since.
Games that they de-hyped included the Chronicles of Spellborn, Jumpgate Evolution, and Aion, all of which appear to be meeting their production goals and promises, with plenty of industry oversight. Darkfall is shooting itself in the foot. The hype their fanbase created here started a sort of war I am not sure Aventurtine can win.
Hey, if they had left the SWG Debris forums alone, I wouldn't even be posting this, so great job guys.
You are right with some members waiting for DF started lashing out trying to overhype the game, but what I'm trying to get across is that people take the actions of those people, and blame it on the SMALL team of developers who delay the game to only make it better.
And I can only sympathize with you because those are the people that make me look bad because I really enjoy the concepts and leaks I see from Darkfall, but I'm put in the same category as those people because when someone sees a person in a certain group acting like a moron, they take everyone in that group and labels them one.
But yeah, tl;dr part, that's not the developers fault, but more as the disgustingly annoying playerbase that has grown on DF in the past half a year.
I think you are correct the developers may have unintentionally said things which were misstook by the readers, but is this the dev's fault? Maybe, I blame it on their lack of experience which is undeniably a large part they are getting such criticizim, but as I said before mmorpg.com and other sites gave the game so much attention that the people you let's say played WAR with that cried nerf whenever they were killed by someone started looking into DF seeing people say the game actually takes "skill", and the imagintion in those people start to think they are good and can be good, so they start to hype the game and then tell their friends and then it just turns into a big shit fest that keeps growing all because that one person found out about the game which shouldn't, in my opinion, be legally allowed to own a computer.
But that same person could have easily found the same info from the developers site and come to the same conclusions, spreading it across the net without the use of the MMORPG.com forums. MMORPG.com isnt to blame in any case. You would have the same info passing around with or without this site or others like it.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Game was meant for the niche group that wants a more UO styled game.
This is my opinion at least and what I believe is the dev's opinions as well
I'm sorry I dont buy it
They are making a game to relese to the general public if you really really think they are sitting in their office
saying "omg i hope we dont sell over 20,000 copies of our game" your nuts
I have read so many times here on this site that they didnt relese because to many people wnted to play
now think about that
they could easily have sold 25,000 units and said opps to many people wanted to buy and we ran out
its clear that the game wasnt ready simple as that
and i am sure most people who spout venom here dont do it because of the delays its because the devs simpley wont say what we all know
The game isnt anywhere near ready for a paying public