I have just stopped playing MMOs. Over ten years of playing MMOs n I think UO offered more than any game that has been developed since. I would love to be involved in once again a MMO that isn't just WoW reskinned...but I imagine that kinda game will be a long time in comming.
For me, it is back to playing the single player games that I started with. I figure if I buy a new game every couple months, it costs about the same as paying to play an unenjoyable MMO.
It's been at least a year and a half since I've played an MMORPG. Like others have said, I just can't get into the directed experience. For most of us, EVE is the only real alternative and if you're not into the space setting, then you're just shit out of luck.
Right now, there are several non-linear MMOs in development, so we just have to wait and see if any of them can survive and release a good product. Further down the line from that, who knows what we'll see. Maybe EVE will inspire a new branch of MMOs? Maybe some one will get creative and do some thing really off the wall?
Playing none of them. If I had more time I would go for eve, but I don't... I started playing alot of single player games on my Xbox, and frankly, I get way more enjoyment from them than from any MMO arround. The biggest flaw in my opinion, of a way MMOs developed is that in MMO, a massive part of the gameplay is just a thing that blocks you from the end and the process is repetitive and not fun. In MMOs the feeling of joy does not come from the achievement itself and success of solving the problem, but rather from reward in the end, while single player games are you enjoy in the process of playing. Good analogy for MMOs at this time is that playing them is like going to a cinema and having to watch through 2,5 hours of washing powder comercials, so you get to see the 5 minutes of the movie in the end. Blast you Moodah! I will have this analogy stuck in my head all day because of you.Very funny. My time is more precious than that.
I think this year will be a much better year for MMOs. Everything comming looks to more hardcore than mainstream. I have my eyes set on Earthrise, Global Agenda and AION.
MMO's I enjoyed, UO and early SWG. Tried WOW for 2 weeks and couldnt stand it. Then I joined LOTRO, because UO had changed, SWG went down the shitter and there was nothing else that I was interested in. Played LOTRO for a year, grinding, questing, exploring..........over and over. How do you guys keep playing games like this? How can you stand it? The only MMO i'm playing now is WAR because I can just log in and start playing right away. Do a scenario, some PVP or a PQ with a group. Quests ? Havent done any in 2 months. I'll never go back to that kind of gameplay. Now I know everyone has their opinion and likes a certain gameplay, but how do you play WOW type clone for so long? Do you just like the torture ? You like playing with your friends , ok I understand. You want to play with others somehow and feel part of a community. This type of gameplay just seems so boring to me now. I don't know, guess i'm just and angry UO veteran looking for an MMO with more freedom and where the community itself created content. Making up player run event, setting up a player run town and waring other guilds whenever u wanted. Sorry for my rant, Warhammer is great but I think we can do better still. I just feel we have taken a step back from what UO offered us in terms of an online world.
I usually play thiswow clonesfor 2, 4 months. Then i got bored and after some months I go back for a few months. And this all the time. Sometimes I think they shouldlast melonger but other times I think playing the same game for 3 or 4 months is more than enought, its normal to want a change of game.
Agreed. No games currently give us the freedom to play as we like. All it is is questing, grinding pvp or raiding, and waiting for the next expansion. Player run events are virtually non-existant and the community is a joke.
This coming from a WoW perspective.
I went back to UO early in 2008. Now I know alot has changed, but when i visited a town on my old server, it was still up and the old Mayor was still there (Pax Lair, Chesapeake). He got me back involved , letting me run a tavern in the town. Was ok, i held some dart contests and we fought off PK's from time to time. (nothing like it was back in the day, but still decent action)
It was fun for awhile, but most of the old vets left and because of all the expansion, people were spread out all over the place.
I did see some furniture I made with my Name on them in one shop. (furniture I made back in 1999! ). That was kind of cool.
One guy I ran into and said, "are u the same Gunga Din that worked the forge before Trammel was introduced?" I said, "yea", he said, " I still have some of your valorite armor you made for me. Never destroyed it, you were the first smith to make me some armor and weapons".
I just don't ever see one of these MMO's ever creating that sort of community.
Reading this I understand a little better what was UO back in the "good old days". Thanks
Agreed. No games currently give us the freedom to play as we like. All it is is questing, grinding pvp or raiding, and waiting for the next expansion. Player run events are virtually non-existant and the community is a joke.
Amen! No game on the market is free of questing, grinding and raiding, and they all have basically the same character classes and abilities. I haven't even bothered with AoC (even after it was dumped at a bargain-basement price) or Warhammer as they just aren't different enough from what I play at the moment.
I never had the opportunity to play UO, but have only heard wonderful things about it - but I love MMO's and have managed to find something enjoyable in most.
The way I view it is I'm paying so I'm playing my way. I do not let the game or other people dictate to me how I'm going to enjoy myself, be entertained or play!
I hated WoW the first two times I tried it, but finally gave it a good try (lvled out of the start area!) and I've enjoyed it since. I don't raid (city/town PvP raids - I'm there but no instance grinds) as I couldn't care a flying @#%^ about S3 shoulders, or getting more badges for _. I like the questing in parts of the game, enjoy some of the bgs, crafting - not so much, and I like the exploration and doing some of the obscure 'old' content. After 1 1/2 years I'm still finding places in that game I hadn't been before. I haven't even taken any characters to the expansion area yet - heck I've got at least 2 years for another expansion so why rush?
I also actively play EQ2 which I thoroughly enjoy the crafting, exploring, player housing/guild housing side and its a beautiful game. LoTRO beautiful game - the pvp is novel - not necessarily fun all the time but different than most MMO's pvp. Warhammer - I love the rvr/sc's but as much as I appreciate the questlines/lore - I find them boring along with the crafting - horrid! AoC - I had high hopes for that . . .
In all honesty I wish game developers would caterer not just to the WoW clones - but make the niche market games too. There is definitely a need (any online forum will tell you that!) for a blend of (as someone put it) a theme park and sandbox to co-exist. I'd rather have 3 well made games that I rotate for fantastic pvp, fantastic crafting, fantastic questing/leveling/exploring - than one vanilla crapfest game that nothing works right!
My biggest - I don't get with most people - why do they always ask how is the end game? You wouldn't ask that of a board game/sporting event/RL game - as the end is the end! The game is playing the game which includes the levels/zones/content that is created - not just max level. Too me that's almost game over - now I'm stuck grinding content, bored and complaining - at least thats what I observe happens to the majority of players. Different view I know.
MMO's I enjoyed, UO and early SWG. Tried WOW for 2 weeks and couldnt stand it. Then I joined LOTRO, because UO had changed, SWG went down the shitter and there was nothing else that I was interested in. Played LOTRO for a year, grinding, questing, exploring..........over and over. How do you guys keep playing games like this? How can you stand it? The only MMO i'm playing now is WAR because I can just log in and start playing right away. Do a scenario, some PVP or a PQ with a group. Quests ? Havent done any in 2 months. I'll never go back to that kind of gameplay. Now I know everyone has their opinion and likes a certain gameplay, but how do you play WOW type clone for so long? Do you just like the torture ? You like playing with your friends , ok I understand. You want to play with others somehow and feel part of a community. This type of gameplay just seems so boring to me now. I don't know, guess i'm just and angry UO veteran looking for an MMO with more freedom and where the community itself created content. Making up player run event, setting up a player run town and waring other guilds whenever u wanted. Sorry for my rant, Warhammer is great but I think we can do better still. I just feel we have taken a step back from what UO offered us in terms of an online world.
Because you are weird? Hack-n-slash (with progression) is a fun activity. It is mindless while gives an illusion of power (can kill thigns) and achievement (level up, finish quests, get loot). Very good entertainment.
Millions and millions of players love this kind of gameplay from SP acton RPG (like Diablo) to MMORPG (like WOW).
And UO is *bad*. I beta test for it and it is one of the worst GAME. Everyone is a tank mage. Grinding for skills. Horrible PKing. WOW is much much better GAME. Even EQ is a much better game than UO.
MMO's I enjoyed, UO and early SWG. Tried WOW for 2 weeks and couldnt stand it. Then I joined LOTRO, because UO had changed, SWG went down the shitter and there was nothing else that I was interested in. Played LOTRO for a year, grinding, questing, exploring..........over and over. How do you guys keep playing games like this? How can you stand it? The only MMO i'm playing now is WAR because I can just log in and start playing right away. Do a scenario, some PVP or a PQ with a group. Quests ? Havent done any in 2 months. I'll never go back to that kind of gameplay. Now I know everyone has their opinion and likes a certain gameplay, but how do you play WOW type clone for so long? Do you just like the torture ? You like playing with your friends , ok I understand. You want to play with others somehow and feel part of a community. This type of gameplay just seems so boring to me now. I don't know, guess i'm just and angry UO veteran looking for an MMO with more freedom and where the community itself created content. Making up player run event, setting up a player run town and waring other guilds whenever u wanted. Sorry for my rant, Warhammer is great but I think we can do better still. I just feel we have taken a step back from what UO offered us in terms of an online world.
Because you are weird? Hack-n-slash (with progression) is a fun activity. It is mindless while gives an illusion of power (can kill thigns) and achievement (level up, finish quests, get loot). Very good entertainment.
Only a simpleton would find the mindless, thoughtless drivel of hack n slash to be a fun activity, and actually fall for the illusion of power and achievement that current MMOs provide.
Conquering a fortress is an achievement. Taking control of an area is an achievement. Crafting an amazing gun is an achievement. How is Killing X until you have Y reputation an achievement that is fun in anyway? You didn't achieve something that others couldn't because you had more skill. You didn't achieve something others couldn't because you are better. You achieved something because you had more time to waste. Not fun imo.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I never had the opportunity to play UO, but have only heard wonderful things about it - but I love MMO's and have managed to find something enjoyable in most. The way I view it is I'm paying so I'm playing my way. I do not let the game or other people dictate to me how I'm going to enjoy myself, be entertained or play! I hated WoW the first two times I tried it, but finally gave it a good try (lvled out of the start area!) and I've enjoyed it since. I don't raid (city/town PvP raids - I'm there but no instance grinds) as I couldn't care a flying @#%^ about S3 shoulders, or getting more badges for _. I like the questing in parts of the game, enjoy some of the bgs, crafting - not so much, and I like the exploration and doing some of the obscure 'old' content. After 1 1/2 years I'm still finding places in that game I hadn't been before. I haven't even taken any characters to the expansion area yet - heck I've got at least 2 years for another expansion so why rush? I also actively play EQ2 which I thoroughly enjoy the crafting, exploring, player housing/guild housing side and its a beautiful game. LoTRO beautiful game - the pvp is novel - not necessarily fun all the time but different than most MMO's pvp. Warhammer - I love the rvr/sc's but as much as I appreciate the questlines/lore - I find them boring along with the crafting - horrid! AoC - I had high hopes for that . . . In all honesty I wish game developers would caterer not just to the WoW clones - but make the niche market games too. There is definitely a need (any online forum will tell you that!) for a blend of (as someone put it) a theme park and sandbox to co-exist. I'd rather have 3 well made games that I rotate for fantastic pvp, fantastic crafting, fantastic questing/leveling/exploring - than one vanilla crapfest game that nothing works right! My biggest - I don't get with most people - why do they always ask how is the end game? You wouldn't ask that of a board game/sporting event/RL game - as the end is the end! The game is playing the game which includes the levels/zones/content that is created - not just max level. Too me that's almost game over - now I'm stuck grinding content, bored and complaining - at least thats what I observe happens to the majority of players. Different view I know.
I understand what you mean by playing your way. I am a Lineage 2 player and have been for almost 4 years now. I remember when I use to do the heavy grinding trying to keep up with the other heavy grinders. That was not playing my way. I was playing there way and until I one day said f_ck this, I am not going to play like this anymore thats when I truly started to enjoy the game. Its a grind if you have your eyes set on rushing toward end game but if you just play and enjoy each day thats where they true enjoyment is.
After giving up EQ a few years ago i have not found a game that i thought was worth playing for any period of time. WoW had me for a few months before i finally got tired of how numbingly easy i found it.
And the real sad thing is i cant even go back. Those games i liked so long ago are not even the same games.
i tend to agree with the op . most mmos have the same old gameplay . warcraft used to have a half decent community and the endgame pvp could be a lot of fun . now its dogged by lag and ridiculous class imblances . lord of the rings looks pretty enough but its quite hard to group up with anyone in lower to mid levels to do anything interesting in the game ( on top of that i had a problem when i cancelled my sub and was charged several months afterwards which has only just come to my attention and i m having a right tussle with codemasters trying to get it back or for them to admit thier error ) .eve online looks interesting but i m not sure if a spacefaring game is for me and it looks like it may be difficult to get into . most of the other mmos are pretty dead . warhammer is a lot of fun and it does nt take forever to get into and you dont have to spend hours doing one boring quest after another . even most of wows quests are escort this , gather that or kill so many mobs . repeating the same instance again and again just bored the life out of my ultimatly .
i think a lot of its down to 1/ addiction and 2/ people like the community . lets face it most people play warcraft because thier friends are there . its like a glorified chat room . you never really get anywhere in it because all the gear you work so hard getting become redundant once every two years . its fun for a while but you d have to be a pretty dull and boring person to keep playing it year after year for four years solid .
thats how I felt about people who were playing Sword of the new world, Point click kill... and sit in 1 spot killing for 10 hours to get 0.01% of a level Ok maybe its more like 5% of a level, but still you see my point.
It was a pathetic Korean grinder the worse game I ever played. The reason I can stand WoW clones is because of Sword of the new world, I experienced grinding hell, and once I did being back in WoW clone Garbage was suddenly not to bad. But for the most part, the biggest reason why I don't mind them is because I have recently become a very casual mmorpg player. I play the game read all the quests join Role playing guilds, and dont worry about end game gear or levels. Play a game like that and you can have fun Well... as long as you can let go of your online Ego/ pride and not mind being low or mid level for a long time with mediocre gear, but in Role playing communities that matters little.You would be surprised how much fun in a different element you are missing when you become one of those race to max level get the best gear players, there is so much more fun to be had in mmo's if you look at the other side of that.
Even on Free 2 play games, Currently playing Runes of Magic and Atlantica online, and I am having a blast doing it
Agreed. No games currently give us the freedom to play as we like. All it is is questing, grinding pvp or raiding, and waiting for the next expansion. Player run events are virtually non-existant and the community is a joke.
This coming from a WoW perspective.
Darkfall says to have the freedom you are craving.
While I sympathize with you all completely, and I've been talking about this subject for ages, I have to say that threads like this make me happy. The tide is turning on the MMO genre. We've all done the theme park thing to death, and now more and more people want to go back to games that allow personal expression and freedom. While I am an advocate of sandbox games were I can forge my own path through the game world, I'm not saying we need total sandbox gameplay to fix the genre. A nice blend of theme park and sandbox play would be welcome.
My feelings too. I'm currently not subscribed to any MMO for the same reason. I've just done the whole hand-holding, quest driven, number crunching, kill-loot-level thing until my head exploded. Simply looking for some developer to make something...ANYTHING that feels different.
I keep coming to this site in the hopes that I see news which shows that some upcoming game is heading in that direction.
From being a huge Planetside fan, I felt that was the closest thing to what I was looking for. It could have been expanded from something great, to something spectacular, but alas...
Currently playing Medieval2: Total War, Oblivion (although not so much because it's somewhat like the MMOs I've gotten away from), and Team Fortress 2 for my online fix. Waiting for the release of Empire: Total War in a month.
You sound like me, minus wwiionline. I played wwiionline for 7 years, 4 months on Planetside. Can't wait for Empire: Total War or Diablo 3.
Only a simpleton would find the mindless, thoughtless drivel of hack n slash to be a fun activity, and actually fall for the illusion of power and achievement that current MMOs provide.
Conquering a fortress is an achievement. Taking control of an area is an achievement. Crafting an amazing gun is an achievement. How is Killing X until you have Y reputation an achievement that is fun in anyway? You didn't achieve something that others couldn't because you had more skill. You didn't achieve something others couldn't because you are better. You achieved something because you had more time to waste. Not fun imo.
LIke it or not, that is waht most people like. And what is wrong with some mindless fun? You don't play FPS? You don't watch big blockbuster movies?
Such elitist attitudes. Killing x enemies is fun if the combat mechanics is fun. If the graphics is cool and if the mob explodes with a satisfied "booomm......". Crafting a gun is not an achievement if all you do is grind your material. It is the same thing. Conquering a fortress ... i don't wat is the big deal ... it is done everyday in wintersgrasp in WOW. That is not more fun than say doing quests. (Though i do that too.)
We are talking about *games* here. They are supposed to be entertainment. When i want *real* achievement, i go write academic papers.
Agreed. No games currently give us the freedom to play as we like. All it is is questing, grinding pvp or raiding, and waiting for the next expansion. Player run events are virtually non-existant and the community is a joke.
This coming from a WoW perspective.
Darkfall says to have the freedom you are craving.
Interesting question, I would say that I'm still able to enjoy MMO's because I don't play them from a competitive frame of mind. I don't aim to "win" the MMO, I just aim to enjoy them.
I find that when you have a relaxed attitude, you enjoy the game a hell of a lot more.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
I lasted one month and came back a year or so later and lasted 1 week my second time through. I don't like the excuse "well you need to devote more time to enjoy the game" first impressions are everything and i feel that I should be able to hop on and have a blast experiencing something new every time. if a game is boring and has you doing the same shit right out the gate people are going to be less likely to keep playing your product. A game should give you purpose, meaning and really grab you by the balls while your playing. I want to say "wow that was fun and fucking cool" not "I need to do this and this and this"
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I have just stopped playing MMOs. Over ten years of playing MMOs n I think UO offered more than any game that has been developed since. I would love to be involved in once again a MMO that isn't just WoW reskinned...but I imagine that kinda game will be a long time in comming.
For me, it is back to playing the single player games that I started with. I figure if I buy a new game every couple months, it costs about the same as paying to play an unenjoyable MMO.
It's been at least a year and a half since I've played an MMORPG. Like others have said, I just can't get into the directed experience. For most of us, EVE is the only real alternative and if you're not into the space setting, then you're just shit out of luck.
Right now, there are several non-linear MMOs in development, so we just have to wait and see if any of them can survive and release a good product. Further down the line from that, who knows what we'll see. Maybe EVE will inspire a new branch of MMOs? Maybe some one will get creative and do some thing really off the wall?
I think this year will be a much better year for MMOs. Everything comming looks to more hardcore than mainstream. I have my eyes set on Earthrise, Global Agenda and AION.
I usually play thiswow clonesfor 2, 4 months. Then i got bored and after some months I go back for a few months. And this all the time. Sometimes I think they shouldlast melonger but other times I think playing the same game for 3 or 4 months is more than enought, its normal to want a change of game.
I went back to UO early in 2008. Now I know alot has changed, but when i visited a town on my old server, it was still up and the old Mayor was still there (Pax Lair, Chesapeake). He got me back involved , letting me run a tavern in the town. Was ok, i held some dart contests and we fought off PK's from time to time. (nothing like it was back in the day, but still decent action)
It was fun for awhile, but most of the old vets left and because of all the expansion, people were spread out all over the place.
I did see some furniture I made with my Name on them in one shop. (furniture I made back in 1999! ). That was kind of cool.
One guy I ran into and said, "are u the same Gunga Din that worked the forge before Trammel was introduced?" I said, "yea", he said, " I still have some of your valorite armor you made for me. Never destroyed it, you were the first smith to make me some armor and weapons".
I just don't ever see one of these MMO's ever creating that sort of community.
Reading this I understand a little better what was UO back in the "good old days". Thanks
Amen! No game on the market is free of questing, grinding and raiding, and they all have basically the same character classes and abilities. I haven't even bothered with AoC (even after it was dumped at a bargain-basement price) or Warhammer as they just aren't different enough from what I play at the moment.
I never had the opportunity to play UO, but have only heard wonderful things about it - but I love MMO's and have managed to find something enjoyable in most.
The way I view it is I'm paying so I'm playing my way. I do not let the game or other people dictate to me how I'm going to enjoy myself, be entertained or play!
I hated WoW the first two times I tried it, but finally gave it a good try (lvled out of the start area!) and I've enjoyed it since. I don't raid (city/town PvP raids - I'm there but no instance grinds) as I couldn't care a flying @#%^ about S3 shoulders, or getting more badges for _. I like the questing in parts of the game, enjoy some of the bgs, crafting - not so much, and I like the exploration and doing some of the obscure 'old' content. After 1 1/2 years I'm still finding places in that game I hadn't been before. I haven't even taken any characters to the expansion area yet - heck I've got at least 2 years for another expansion so why rush?
I also actively play EQ2 which I thoroughly enjoy the crafting, exploring, player housing/guild housing side and its a beautiful game. LoTRO beautiful game - the pvp is novel - not necessarily fun all the time but different than most MMO's pvp. Warhammer - I love the rvr/sc's but as much as I appreciate the questlines/lore - I find them boring along with the crafting - horrid! AoC - I had high hopes for that . . .
In all honesty I wish game developers would caterer not just to the WoW clones - but make the niche market games too. There is definitely a need (any online forum will tell you that!) for a blend of (as someone put it) a theme park and sandbox to co-exist. I'd rather have 3 well made games that I rotate for fantastic pvp, fantastic crafting, fantastic questing/leveling/exploring - than one vanilla crapfest game that nothing works right!
My biggest - I don't get with most people - why do they always ask how is the end game? You wouldn't ask that of a board game/sporting event/RL game - as the end is the end! The game is playing the game which includes the levels/zones/content that is created - not just max level. Too me that's almost game over - now I'm stuck grinding content, bored and complaining - at least thats what I observe happens to the majority of players. Different view I know.
Proud member of Hammerfist Clan Gaming Community.
Currently playing: RIFT, EQ2, WoW, LoTRO
Retired: Warhammer, AoC, EQ
Waiting: SWToR & GW2
I posted a nice old school review in the UO forums.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/594386#594386
Read some of my old stories. This will give u an idea of what early UO was like and why its tough for me to play the MMO's of today.
Because you are weird? Hack-n-slash (with progression) is a fun activity. It is mindless while gives an illusion of power (can kill thigns) and achievement (level up, finish quests, get loot). Very good entertainment.
Millions and millions of players love this kind of gameplay from SP acton RPG (like Diablo) to MMORPG (like WOW).
And UO is *bad*. I beta test for it and it is one of the worst GAME. Everyone is a tank mage. Grinding for skills. Horrible PKing. WOW is much much better GAME. Even EQ is a much better game than UO.
Because you are weird? Hack-n-slash (with progression) is a fun activity. It is mindless while gives an illusion of power (can kill thigns) and achievement (level up, finish quests, get loot). Very good entertainment.
Only a simpleton would find the mindless, thoughtless drivel of hack n slash to be a fun activity, and actually fall for the illusion of power and achievement that current MMOs provide.
Conquering a fortress is an achievement. Taking control of an area is an achievement. Crafting an amazing gun is an achievement. How is Killing X until you have Y reputation an achievement that is fun in anyway? You didn't achieve something that others couldn't because you had more skill. You didn't achieve something others couldn't because you are better. You achieved something because you had more time to waste. Not fun imo.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
I understand what you mean by playing your way. I am a Lineage 2 player and have been for almost 4 years now. I remember when I use to do the heavy grinding trying to keep up with the other heavy grinders. That was not playing my way. I was playing there way and until I one day said f_ck this, I am not going to play like this anymore thats when I truly started to enjoy the game. Its a grind if you have your eyes set on rushing toward end game but if you just play and enjoy each day thats where they true enjoyment is.
Sadly i also dont play.
After giving up EQ a few years ago i have not found a game that i thought was worth playing for any period of time. WoW had me for a few months before i finally got tired of how numbingly easy i found it.
And the real sad thing is i cant even go back. Those games i liked so long ago are not even the same games.
i tend to agree with the op . most mmos have the same old gameplay . warcraft used to have a half decent community and the endgame pvp could be a lot of fun . now its dogged by lag and ridiculous class imblances . lord of the rings looks pretty enough but its quite hard to group up with anyone in lower to mid levels to do anything interesting in the game ( on top of that i had a problem when i cancelled my sub and was charged several months afterwards which has only just come to my attention and i m having a right tussle with codemasters trying to get it back or for them to admit thier error ) .eve online looks interesting but i m not sure if a spacefaring game is for me and it looks like it may be difficult to get into . most of the other mmos are pretty dead . warhammer is a lot of fun and it does nt take forever to get into and you dont have to spend hours doing one boring quest after another . even most of wows quests are escort this , gather that or kill so many mobs . repeating the same instance again and again just bored the life out of my ultimatly .
i think a lot of its down to 1/ addiction and 2/ people like the community . lets face it most people play warcraft because thier friends are there . its like a glorified chat room . you never really get anywhere in it because all the gear you work so hard getting become redundant once every two years . its fun for a while but you d have to be a pretty dull and boring person to keep playing it year after year for four years solid .
thats how I felt about people who were playing Sword of the new world, Point click kill... and sit in 1 spot killing for 10 hours to get 0.01% of a level Ok maybe its more like 5% of a level, but still you see my point.
It was a pathetic Korean grinder the worse game I ever played. The reason I can stand WoW clones is because of Sword of the new world, I experienced grinding hell, and once I did being back in WoW clone Garbage was suddenly not to bad. But for the most part, the biggest reason why I don't mind them is because I have recently become a very casual mmorpg player. I play the game read all the quests join Role playing guilds, and dont worry about end game gear or levels. Play a game like that and you can have fun
Well... as long as you can let go of your online Ego/ pride and not mind being low or mid level for a long time with mediocre gear, but in Role playing communities that matters little.You would be surprised how much fun in a different element you are missing when you become one of those race to max level get the best gear players, there is so much more fun to be had in mmo's if you look at the other side of that.
Even on Free 2 play games, Currently playing Runes of Magic and Atlantica online, and I am having a blast doing it
Darkfall says to have the freedom you are craving.
Sooner or Later
Lineage 2 has been surviving (quite well) off nothing other than player run events for the past 5 years.
My feelings too. I'm currently not subscribed to any MMO for the same reason. I've just done the whole hand-holding, quest driven, number crunching, kill-loot-level thing until my head exploded. Simply looking for some developer to make something...ANYTHING that feels different.
I keep coming to this site in the hopes that I see news which shows that some upcoming game is heading in that direction.
From being a huge Planetside fan, I felt that was the closest thing to what I was looking for. It could have been expanded from something great, to something spectacular, but alas...
Currently playing Medieval2: Total War, Oblivion (although not so much because it's somewhat like the MMOs I've gotten away from), and Team Fortress 2 for my online fix. Waiting for the release of Empire: Total War in a month.
You sound like me, minus wwiionline. I played wwiionline for 7 years, 4 months on Planetside. Can't wait for Empire: Total War or Diablo 3.
Total War MMORTS would be great.
Only a simpleton would find the mindless, thoughtless drivel of hack n slash to be a fun activity, and actually fall for the illusion of power and achievement that current MMOs provide.
Conquering a fortress is an achievement. Taking control of an area is an achievement. Crafting an amazing gun is an achievement. How is Killing X until you have Y reputation an achievement that is fun in anyway? You didn't achieve something that others couldn't because you had more skill. You didn't achieve something others couldn't because you are better. You achieved something because you had more time to waste. Not fun imo.
LIke it or not, that is waht most people like. And what is wrong with some mindless fun? You don't play FPS? You don't watch big blockbuster movies?
Such elitist attitudes. Killing x enemies is fun if the combat mechanics is fun. If the graphics is cool and if the mob explodes with a satisfied "booomm......". Crafting a gun is not an achievement if all you do is grind your material. It is the same thing. Conquering a fortress ... i don't wat is the big deal ... it is done everyday in wintersgrasp in WOW. That is not more fun than say doing quests. (Though i do that too.)
We are talking about *games* here. They are supposed to be entertainment. When i want *real* achievement, i go write academic papers.
Darkfall says to have the freedom you are craving.
Freedom with no content is BORING.
"How do you continue to play these MMO's?"
Interesting question, I would say that I'm still able to enjoy MMO's because I don't play them from a competitive frame of mind. I don't aim to "win" the MMO, I just aim to enjoy them.
I find that when you have a relaxed attitude, you enjoy the game a hell of a lot more.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Most people who play these games don't post here. They're happily living out their mindless addiction.
Hey OP how did you even survive a year in LoTRO?? I was bored to tears after a month........
I lasted about 2 months.
I lasted one month and came back a year or so later and lasted 1 week my second time through. I don't like the excuse "well you need to devote more time to enjoy the game" first impressions are everything and i feel that I should be able to hop on and have a blast experiencing something new every time. if a game is boring and has you doing the same shit right out the gate people are going to be less likely to keep playing your product. A game should give you purpose, meaning and really grab you by the balls while your playing. I want to say "wow that was fun and fucking cool" not "I need to do this and this and this"