Hmmm, that's kinda odd. you're level 126 and got killed by a level 2 mob? Uhh, I am level 15 and just killed an even level mob.. solo.
This whining and bitching is getting ridiculous. You people are just pissed that you have a game company trying to fix the game and make it so you can't max out all your skills in six weeks. WAAAAAAAAAAA! Terrible, I know.
The game has awesome graphics. Meaningless to the whiners.
The game has moving mobs that hunt and wander and don't spawn in the same spots 24/7 eliminating the whole "camping at a spot to level up all day long" Terrible. It's much better and much less boring to camp and kill the exact same mob 400,000 times in a row. What an awful game.
The game has realistic drops. (meaning that wolves don't drop swords and shields) Again total BS... lets hear some more whining people...
The game is well thought out and the devs are trying to balance the game immediately before they have 5,000 maxed out players in 2 months. Grrr, how awful. They should let all of YOU max out your characters, then they should make it super tuff, so you are the most powerful character in the game forever! That would be cool huh? Get a friggin grip, and quit looking only at your poor little self and try and see the big picture of why they are making adjustments to the game mechanics. I know it's horrible they they are trying to balance the game and make it a challenge to max out your characters and a challenge to kill an even level mob. Horrible, just horrible.. shame on them. pfft.
The game has over 100 different skills to let you customize your character any way that you see fit. Oh My How horrid! You have to actually "think"? Oh My! Stream-lining a game like EQ2 where you have NO CONTROL of anything and all you gotta do is find a mob and hit auto-attack all day long is MUCH better!
What a horrible game for trying to break the total stream-lined BS that any retarded 7 year old can play in mmorpgs these days. You're all right.
Go play your total stream-lined BS. Stay away from games like Ultima Online where you have to think, you have have control and go play the games where all you gotta do it mindlessly hit auto-attack all day long and where wolves drop magical armor and swords. Play a game where you can be maxxed out level in 6 weeks, but be sure you complain and bitch and moan if they ever nerf you and make any other class more powerful to balance the game. We all know that it's all about YOU. If you can't be the most powerful character in the game before they balance the game, we know you'll come on here bitching, crying, and whining.
I still stand by my statement that Saga of Ryzom will be a better game and have more devoted and more players in 1 year then EQ2. Just because it's made by a big name and a sequel to a good game and cuz it's pretty doesnt mean it's be great. Look at Asherons Call 2. Total stream-lined BS game but unheard of graphics when it was released. Ask any Asherons Call 1 player if Asherons Call 2 was better. Heh, you'll get laughed at. It takes more then stream-lining and pretty graphics to make a great mmorpg. Shame on Nevrax to make Saga of Ryzom a truly break the mold game. Shame on them for trying to make a challenging mmorpg.
Just my two cents again - err I mean just my +17 Magical titanium armor set and crystal sword of power that the wolf I killed just dropped! Yay! Auto attack the re-spawn again! Yay! Pffft.
No, no. I'm not level 126. I was using an example. I know reading is difficult for you, but on the upside, the more you do it the better you get! Keep up the phonics!
Where in my post did I mention EQ2 or WoW? Right, I didn't.
Seems to me you are seeing things in posts that aren't actually there and this is causing you pain. Oh, I get it, if you don't do that you don't have anything to argue about.
You're arguments are all or nothing but it doesn't work that way. This is a tactic for a weak mind.
The game was too easy. I agree on that point. But making impossible to fight is the opposite extreme but more damaging.
Awesome graphics don't mean shit to me. I want gameplay.
The game ISN'T well thought out. The idea is cool, if that's what you mean. But surely you can't think it's well though-out given the patches that have been released? If you do, you are blinding yourself to the true state of the game.
Sure, there are over 100 different skills. At level 15, I don't blame you for not realizing that most of those don't actually work. Combat in Ryzom is exactly the same as EQ and any other game: You hit auto-attack and watch your guy jump around. Good call on that one! Instead of hitting taunt every few seconds, you press your Hit after dodge/parrt button. Yeah, huge difference in tactics (maybe for you hitting a different button is harder; it isn't for me).
I'm not sure what you mean by streamlined...cookie-cutter perhaps? Ryzom has the same basic elements of every other MMO, as I've posted before: level your toon, group, guild, craft and explore. If you are dazzled by the presentation layer and graphics (as you seem to be) then more power to you. Personally I have higher standards for what I'm willing to spend my time and money on.
I hope Nevrax will work out the issues. I'm more interested in SoR than any other titles coming out. But I know what's fun for me and in it's current state, SoR isn't it.
Pfft. Come back when you are ready to discuss actual points and not blindly rant. It might also help to be of at least level to leave the newb island before commenting on (apparently) advanced gameplay mechanics.
Level 15? So you've played for what, about 20 minutes?
Okay, so you didnt say anything about EQ2 or WoW. I guess after seeing so much hype about those two games now on these forums, I also assumed you were another EQ2 or WoW fanboy.
Look, All I am saying is that with such BIG over-hyped games like EQ2 and WoW coming out, Saga of Ryzom needs all the support it can get. I don't see much support from all these posts whining and complaining about it. Too many people whine and bitch way too much. And from such a new company in the mmorpg community, I think people should kick back and give them a fair chance. As you said, I also think SoR has more potential then anything on the near horizon.
Graphics are nice, but you are right... Gameplay is where it's at.
Sorry if I seemed to be ranting... But I am desperately trying to defend what I feel is the best new game out "this year". The next hope I see in a great mmorpg game is either Middle Earth Online or Dark and Light. Both next year. So I myself am not going to give up hope on SoR after one month just because they are trying to better balance the game and make it no so damn easy. I understand their efforts and applaud them on trying to make it better.
Wow another Crocksucker post... I suppose someone waiting for Guild War is the best person to talk about Ryzom...
BTW Crock is always bitching about everything... WoW included. So he just dont like mmorpg and dont realise it because he think he's so cool playing the best mmorpg.
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Originally posted by zaxtor99 Okay, so you didnt say anything about EQ2 or WoW. I guess after seeing so much hype about those two games now on these forums, I also assumed you were another EQ2 or WoW fanboy. Look, All I am saying is that with such BIG over-hyped games like EQ2 and WoW coming out, Saga of Ryzom needs all the support it can get. I don't see much support from all these posts whining and complaining about it. Too many people whine and bitch way too much. And from such a new company in the mmorpg community, I think people should kick back and give them a fair chance. As you said, I also think SoR has more potential then anything on the near horizon. Graphics are nice, but you are right... Gameplay is where it's at. Sorry if I seemed to be ranting... But I am desperately trying to defend what I feel is the best new game out "this year". The next hope I see in a great mmorpg game is either Middle Earth Online or Dark and Light. Both next year. So I myself am not going to give up hope on SoR after one month just because they are trying to better balance the game and make it no so damn easy. I understand their efforts and applaud them on trying to make it better. - Zaxx
i can understand
i was feeling thesame at low lvl the world is cool funny mobs to kill but ...the bugs.. no content (xept grinding)..stupid patches wich bring more bugs etc
Weird put the only 10+ years experience in mmorpg players i know that are gonna buy Guild War are buying just to play once in a while and are keeping their account in DaoC, Ryzom or are going to WoW.
For people not understanding : Crock posted in the general board that he was waiting for guild war.
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Okay, so you didnt say anything about EQ2 or WoW. I guess after seeing so much hype about those two games now on these forums, I also assumed you were another EQ2 or WoW fanboy.
Np, I understand how it's possible.
Look, All I am saying is that with such BIG over-hyped games like EQ2 and WoW coming out, Saga of Ryzom needs all the support it can get. I don't see much support from all these posts whining and complaining about it. Too many people whine and bitch way too much. And from such a new company in the mmorpg community, I think people should kick back and give them a fair chance. As you said, I also think SoR has more potential then anything on the near horizon
As someone posted on the official SoR boards, those that complain the loudest are those with the most passion for the game. We WANT to see it succeed and be better, and attract more players so WE have people to play with. When the critical bug reports on the test server are ignored and the changes pushed live anyway, there's no other way to get the attention of the company than to scream and shout, and eventually stop paying them until things change. That's what it came down to. Although for most people, this whole fiasco ran it's course over a single day, these issues have been going on for months behind the scenes (since beta). That's why it has erupted like it has.
Sorry if I seemed to be ranting... But I am desperately trying to defend what I feel is the best new game out "this year". The next hope I see in a great mmorpg game is either Middle Earth Online or Dark and Light. Both next year. So I myself am not going to give up hope on SoR after one month just because they are trying to better balance the game and make it no so damn easy. I understand their efforts and applaud them on trying to make it better
I still have high hopes for it. I won't recommend it to anyone unless things change because then *I'm* responsible for their gameplay experience. I also won't support them with my monthly payment as I feel these are foundation-level changes being made and thus still beta material.
I will support Nevrax in that, if they find balance, I will return as a paying customer but not before that.
Lets just start by saying that I enjoyed SoR before the patch, and after it I am still forming an opinion.
Before the patch there was something wrong. I was in a group of characters that were levels 80-120 in range, and we were fairly easily handling level 200 mobs. Part of this was due to the Blind exploit, part was due to the fact that the mobs simply were not up to scratch (didnt do enough damage). I have no idea how this slipped thru the beta, but to me it was obvious something needed changing. My suspicions about betas are that players play them to gain advantage, not always to test them, and often the real testers (the ones there because they want a better game) do not push on to the end game. Hence the people at the end game do not tell you the exact truth... but that is a whole new post.
Nevrax obviously picked up that something was wrong, people were leveling very fast, especially the harvestors. I came to SOR with an opinion that level 250 would take me around 9-12 months, possibly longer depending on how the game was balanced. In two weeks I was level 80 in melee and 60 in several other lines. WAYYY to easy. I could solo at will vs mobs my level and get good exp. I could group with 3-4 others and do higher level mobs such that we all got max exp every kill.
The patch has rebalanced the melee, mobs do a lot more damage but have a lot less HPs. This means that fights are mostly very fast, if you havent killed it in 3-5 hits then you are likely dead. This changes the entire balance of the skill set. Before skill s like Attack after Parry were very useful, they saved Stamina and did good damage, before you had to conserve your melee as you more oftne then not ran out of Stamina, which meant high damage skills like Increase Damage 5-6-7 etc were not often used unless you had an easy kill. NOW - now you start with MAX damage skills, the fight is over so fast that Stamina is NOT an issue, which means skills like Attack after Parry are less important, because so few exchnages are made that they are not triggered.
Before grouping was an option, AFTER grouping is required if you wish to maximise exp and take on mobs above your level.
Before solo was easy, AFTER it is hard, and exp is much less. HOWEVER it is not impossible. I experimented last night and I was able to kill level 70 kipees with my level 84 melee... it was close but I was able to do it repeatedly as long as I was careful. It meant there was more down time tho (you cant heal yourself in SOR except with a timer based self heal - so every 3-4 mins). I tried to kill the same mobs in caster mob and it was more difficult but I was able to do it, but not anywhere near as safely. In combined mode is was the most easy - start with 2 casts, then melee them dead.
Exp during these solo tests ranged from 50 to 3000 on one very lucky kill, average was around 1000-1500.
I then joined a group of 2 others, all of us were in offensive mage mode, and we were all running around killing equal and greater levels mobs (robust frippos to raspals) WITHOUT a care in the world. IT WAS EASY!!! We could pull 2 raspals and have them dead in 5 seconds, before it could kill the caster who got agro. And if he did die, well we healed him up and continued... GROUPING is good! Off Magic is much better, Healing is now excellent.
Implications to me: fighting at the low end of the game (less than 100) is quick. After that I suspect it will begin slowing down again, which will bring Stamina back into the equation, which will return Attack After Parry skills to real usefulness, which will mean grouping, which will mean healers and off casters and crowd control and and and and.... Does this sound like fun or what !!!
Those of you who are unable to to kill a yubo are simple doomsayers, you havent really tried. I died 3 times last night testing out all the changes, big deal, it was fun experimenting and learning, and 120K DP is nothing.
My biggest gripe is the server population and an amazing (almost stunning) resistance to grouping in the game. I play on the UK server but I am Australian, My prime time consists of a few other aussies and insomniacs. Getting a group is really hard because half the players are harvestor/crafters and half the rest are soloers, and half the rest are AFK etc etc. Not to mention level differences (although this is no where near as big a problem as it is with other games).
I am still adjusting to the changes, but for now I consider them a favourable change. It is annoying that it has occurred after launch, I fully agree that the devs must have stuffed up somewhere, but for heavens sake name a game that didnt stuff up in its first year (and yes there may be 1 or 2 but there are lots more that stuffed up). People tend to forget if they are enjoying themselves, others leave and find another game. Each to your own.
Just because you dont like what has happened doesnt mean the game isnt still a good one. AO had a disastrous launch, but it is doing great now. Things can and do get better.
My biggest gripe is the server population and an amazing (almost stunning) resistance to grouping in the game
That is, without a doubt, the thing that drives me most nuts (other than all the patch crap).
I have stood, no joke, in various regions for a WEEK, calling out for groups, trying to start groups, trying to find a guild to join so I could get groups, etc.
During that week, not one group and honestly there were only 2-3 responses on region chat and all of them told me to join a guild, lol.
Those of you who are unable to to kill a yubo are simple doomsayers, you havent really tried. I died 3 times last night testing out all the changes, big deal, it was fun experimenting and learning, and 120K DP is nothing
Surely you understand you are not meant to take this literally? The real deal is that 100+, melee can't kill anything that gives decent xp. Yes you will get xp, but it will be in the 30-50xp range. Anything higher than that and you begin to accumulate DP at a rate where recovery is no longer possible. Each attempt at recovery results in more DP unless you take several hours to grind it out on mobs way below your level. That's not fun for anybody.
Originally posted by zaxtor99 The game has moving mobs that hunt and wander and don't spawn in the same spots 24/7 eliminating the whole "camping at a spot to level up all day long" Terrible. - Zaxx
That is so not true. I camp kipees all the time in SOR. I have all the spawn spots marked on my map with little purple flags.
Yes, they'll move around if no one is there to camp them, but they spawn in the same area all the time. And now live ones spawn on top of the dead ones before you're even finished looting the corpse.
Stay and play the game if you like it so much. I just hope you enjoy talking to yourself in it.
I don't really like MMORPG's being insulted every MMO has his own style and i hope it stays that way because if every MMO would be like WoW and EQ2 no one would even think about buying other MMO's!!!
I just recently started SoR. I started about a week before Patch 1. The game was a little TOO easy before patch 1.
After patch 1, I got my ass handed to me quite a bit. I looked at how I was playing and thought that maybe I should go back to noobie island. So I did.
My new character was going to be full magic and not using melee very much. I attacked a suckling Yubo. Dead. Ok, that plan wasn't going to work. So, I looked around. Found myself a tank, we grouped and was dropping alot harder mobs as a team. That problem solved. Now they have brought the mobs down in difficulty. I was soloing even conned mobs before they brought the mobs down. Now they have the feeling of being easy again. I was finding the challenge from patch 1 to be entertaining.
I have played my share of online Rpg's for a long time. I can see the potential in this game. I do have to say that the overall community is very good in this game. You don't have your Elitists like you do in DAoC. The Devs have been dedicated in thier corrections and improving the game. I love the mature attitude in SoR, compared to the up and coming games which will contain alot of younger leet-speaking kids.
If some of you don't stay, that is understandable. I am by no means a fanboy, nor am I going to shed a tear for those that leave. Such is the nature of online games now.
Originally posted by Goldenpixie I've played this game since beta. I've defended it here and on other gaming boards. It WAS a fun game. It had beautiful scenery, a different angle to skills, and I was able to solo the moderate level things. After the patch they released today - SOLOING - EVEN ON NOOB ISLAND - IS NOT POSSIBLE! The aggro rate of the MOBS has been drastically increased. I'm not a low level player. I'm at 50 melee which used to be more than enough to go to the "mainland" where the MOBS were expected to be harder. Would be kinda stupid of me to go to the mainland now if the baby creatures on noob island are killing me! I've cancelled my account and my suggestion to anyone who's looking for a game that they can solo in because they only play an hour or two a night - this isn't the game for you - don't buy it.
HHmm mmorpg multi mass online role playing game when you party with other people i'ts more fun soloing is lame in a mmorpg you could aswell buy a rpg game at a shop and play ''against the computer''
[quote]HHmm mmorpg multi mass online role playing game when you party with other people i'ts more fun soloing is lame in a mmorpg you could aswell buy a rpg game at a shop and play ''against the computer'" [/quote]
And they are so many really good RPG out there... thats what i do when i want to play solo.
They might have made the game to hard that is true, but now it takes about 3 to 6 months for moderate players to reach higher then 150/200 lvl, and at 6 months you will have to be 250 or you are n00b . Anyways, like they announced they will be releasing a major patch every couple of months, so if you finally reach a high lvl and there is nothing more to do then there are all of the sudden alot of new things. I admit that making the game harder has affected the playing fun, but at long terms this fun will increase, trust me!
I solo every day. It's not too hard. I might die once an hour (just an estimate). That's no worse than the other fantasy MMORPG's I've played. I enjoy a challenge, an interesting environment, and an immersive story. Ryzom delivers.
Who the hell solos all the time in a MMORPG anyways?
EQ2 is not soloable, but it's still a great game in group play.
WoW is kinda soloable, but today my friend and I grouped 3 other people, we were 5, we owned the Firethingy Chasm (Damn forgot the name) in Ogrimmar. We all finished 2 elite quests, we all went up 1 level and a half in just 2 hours. Was freaking great.
If you wanna solo, play offline RPGs, you'll have more fun.
Or play Star Wars Galaxies! Now that's a MMORPG which can be soloed very easily. All you need is to beg 100,000 credits, buy 80% kinetic armor, get a doctor buff and buy some Valarian Brandy and you can solo 75% of all the creatures in the game. You get bored and lonely within 2-3 months though. That's why I quit that crap game.
Hmmm I really enjoy this game. Sometimes I play solo and at other times I team. And playing on the test server and seeing the new patches I can honestly say it is only getting better. If you do not wish to play then don't it is your choice. WoW and EQ2 are for a different type of player than SoR is. I have found the players on SoR to be mature and helpful, while in the others WoW is filled with kids. SoR can not be compared to the other MMOs becuase it IS different. not the same old tired races and same old storylines. SoR has more potenial and I see some great things coming in game.
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Hmmm, that's kinda odd. you're level 126 and got killed by a level 2 mob? Uhh, I am level 15 and just killed an even level mob.. solo.
This whining and bitching is getting ridiculous. You people are just pissed that you have a game company trying to fix the game and make it so you can't max out all your skills in six weeks. WAAAAAAAAAAA! Terrible, I know.
The game has awesome graphics. Meaningless to the whiners.
The game has moving mobs that hunt and wander and don't spawn in the same spots 24/7 eliminating the whole "camping at a spot to level up all day long" Terrible. It's much better and much less boring to camp and kill the exact same mob 400,000 times in a row. What an awful game.
The game has realistic drops. (meaning that wolves don't drop swords and shields) Again total BS... lets hear some more whining people...
The game is well thought out and the devs are trying to balance the game immediately before they have 5,000 maxed out players in 2 months. Grrr, how awful. They should let all of YOU max out your characters, then they should make it super tuff, so you are the most powerful character in the game forever! That would be cool huh? Get a friggin grip, and quit looking only at your poor little self and try and see the big picture of why they are making adjustments to the game mechanics. I know it's horrible they they are trying to balance the game and make it a challenge to max out your characters and a challenge to kill an even level mob. Horrible, just horrible.. shame on them. pfft.
The game has over 100 different skills to let you customize your character any way that you see fit. Oh My How horrid! You have to actually "think"? Oh My! Stream-lining a game like EQ2 where you have NO CONTROL of anything and all you gotta do is find a mob and hit auto-attack all day long is MUCH better!
What a horrible game for trying to break the total stream-lined BS that any retarded 7 year old can play in mmorpgs these days. You're all right.
Go play your total stream-lined BS. Stay away from games like Ultima Online where you have to think, you have have control and go play the games where all you gotta do it mindlessly hit auto-attack all day long and where wolves drop magical armor and swords. Play a game where you can be maxxed out level in 6 weeks, but be sure you complain and bitch and moan if they ever nerf you and make any other class more powerful to balance the game. We all know that it's all about YOU. If you can't be the most powerful character in the game before they balance the game, we know you'll come on here bitching, crying, and whining.
I still stand by my statement that Saga of Ryzom will be a better game and have more devoted and more players in 1 year then EQ2. Just because it's made by a big name and a sequel to a good game and cuz it's pretty doesnt mean it's be great. Look at Asherons Call 2. Total stream-lined BS game but unheard of graphics when it was released. Ask any Asherons Call 1 player if Asherons Call 2 was better. Heh, you'll get laughed at. It takes more then stream-lining and pretty graphics to make a great mmorpg. Shame on Nevrax to make Saga of Ryzom a truly break the mold game. Shame on them for trying to make a challenging mmorpg.
Just my two cents again - err I mean just my +17 Magical titanium armor set and crystal sword of power that the wolf I killed just dropped! Yay! Auto attack the re-spawn again! Yay! Pffft.
- Zaxx
""I still stand by my statement that Saga of Ryzom will be a better game and have more devoted and more players in 1 year then EQ2""
rofl
and what about wow?
for sure rysom will eat the both hahahaha
in teh future will only one mmorpg left its saga of rysom...other mmorpgs will nothing to offer vs sor
SOR is only future of teh whole MMORPG industry
i think Horizonts has tryed the same
No, no. I'm not level 126. I was using an example. I know reading is difficult for you, but on the upside, the more you do it the better you get! Keep up the phonics!
Where in my post did I mention EQ2 or WoW? Right, I didn't.
Seems to me you are seeing things in posts that aren't actually there and this is causing you pain. Oh, I get it, if you don't do that you don't have anything to argue about.
You're arguments are all or nothing but it doesn't work that way. This is a tactic for a weak mind.
The game was too easy. I agree on that point. But making impossible to fight is the opposite extreme but more damaging.
Awesome graphics don't mean shit to me. I want gameplay.
The game ISN'T well thought out. The idea is cool, if that's what you mean. But surely you can't think it's well though-out given the patches that have been released? If you do, you are blinding yourself to the true state of the game.
Sure, there are over 100 different skills. At level 15, I don't blame you for not realizing that most of those don't actually work. Combat in Ryzom is exactly the same as EQ and any other game: You hit auto-attack and watch your guy jump around. Good call on that one! Instead of hitting taunt every few seconds, you press your Hit after dodge/parrt button. Yeah, huge difference in tactics (maybe for you hitting a different button is harder; it isn't for me).
I'm not sure what you mean by streamlined...cookie-cutter perhaps? Ryzom has the same basic elements of every other MMO, as I've posted before: level your toon, group, guild, craft and explore. If you are dazzled by the presentation layer and graphics (as you seem to be) then more power to you. Personally I have higher standards for what I'm willing to spend my time and money on.
I hope Nevrax will work out the issues. I'm more interested in SoR than any other titles coming out. But I know what's fun for me and in it's current state, SoR isn't it.
Pfft. Come back when you are ready to discuss actual points and not blindly rant. It might also help to be of at least level to leave the newb island before commenting on (apparently) advanced gameplay mechanics.
Level 15? So you've played for what, about 20 minutes?
he killed 10 yubos and hes already expert)
Okay, so you didnt say anything about EQ2 or WoW. I guess after seeing so much hype about those two games now on these forums, I also assumed you were another EQ2 or WoW fanboy.
Look, All I am saying is that with such BIG over-hyped games like EQ2 and WoW coming out, Saga of Ryzom needs all the support it can get. I don't see much support from all these posts whining and complaining about it. Too many people whine and bitch way too much. And from such a new company in the mmorpg community, I think people should kick back and give them a fair chance. As you said, I also think SoR has more potential then anything on the near horizon.
Graphics are nice, but you are right... Gameplay is where it's at.
Sorry if I seemed to be ranting... But I am desperately trying to defend what I feel is the best new game out "this year". The next hope I see in a great mmorpg game is either Middle Earth Online or Dark and Light. Both next year. So I myself am not going to give up hope on SoR after one month just because they are trying to better balance the game and make it no so damn easy. I understand their efforts and applaud them on trying to make it better.
- Zaxx
Wow another Crocksucker post... I suppose someone waiting for Guild War is the best person to talk about Ryzom...
BTW Crock is always bitching about everything... WoW included. So he just dont like mmorpg and dont realise it because he think he's so cool playing the best mmorpg.
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When a country like France decides not to support the coalition, we (USians, im not using Americans because people from America are American) renames French Fries and empties bottles of red in the sink! It takes a supra-intelligent brain to think of that...
Greg Gaffin
i can understand
i was feeling thesame at low lvl
the world is cool
funny mobs to kill
but ...the bugs.. no content (xept grinding)..stupid patches wich bring more bugs etc
simple the game was no more fun for me
and i do not charity
Ryzom is boring so im gonna play Guild War ...
Weird put the only 10+ years experience in mmorpg players i know that are gonna buy Guild War are buying just to play once in a while and are keeping their account in DaoC, Ryzom or are going to WoW.
For people not understanding : Crock posted in the general board that he was waiting for guild war.
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When a country like France decides not to support the coalition, we (USians, im not using Americans because people from America are American) renames French Fries and empties bottles of red in the sink! It takes a supra-intelligent brain to think of that...
Greg Gaffin
Np, I understand how it's possible.
As someone posted on the official SoR boards, those that complain the loudest are those with the most passion for the game. We WANT to see it succeed and be better, and attract more players so WE have people to play with. When the critical bug reports on the test server are ignored and the changes pushed live anyway, there's no other way to get the attention of the company than to scream and shout, and eventually stop paying them until things change. That's what it came down to. Although for most people, this whole fiasco ran it's course over a single day, these issues have been going on for months behind the scenes (since beta). That's why it has erupted like it has.
I still have high hopes for it. I won't recommend it to anyone unless things change because then *I'm* responsible for their gameplay experience. I also won't support them with my monthly payment as I feel these are foundation-level changes being made and thus still beta material.
I will support Nevrax in that, if they find balance, I will return as a paying customer but not before that.
nervax is company of beggers
gimme some of ur money and maybe one day we will make this game so...what u have read on teh box
Lets just start by saying that I enjoyed SoR before the patch, and after it I am still forming an opinion.
Before the patch there was something wrong. I was in a group of characters that were levels 80-120 in range, and we were fairly easily handling level 200 mobs. Part of this was due to the Blind exploit, part was due to the fact that the mobs simply were not up to scratch (didnt do enough damage). I have no idea how this slipped thru the beta, but to me it was obvious something needed changing. My suspicions about betas are that players play them to gain advantage, not always to test them, and often the real testers (the ones there because they want a better game) do not push on to the end game. Hence the people at the end game do not tell you the exact truth... but that is a whole new post.
Nevrax obviously picked up that something was wrong, people were leveling very fast, especially the harvestors. I came to SOR with an opinion that level 250 would take me around 9-12 months, possibly longer depending on how the game was balanced. In two weeks I was level 80 in melee and 60 in several other lines. WAYYY to easy. I could solo at will vs mobs my level and get good exp. I could group with 3-4 others and do higher level mobs such that we all got max exp every kill.
The patch has rebalanced the melee, mobs do a lot more damage but have a lot less HPs. This means that fights are mostly very fast, if you havent killed it in 3-5 hits then you are likely dead. This changes the entire balance of the skill set. Before skill s like Attack after Parry were very useful, they saved Stamina and did good damage, before you had to conserve your melee as you more oftne then not ran out of Stamina, which meant high damage skills like Increase Damage 5-6-7 etc were not often used unless you had an easy kill. NOW - now you start with MAX damage skills, the fight is over so fast that Stamina is NOT an issue, which means skills like Attack after Parry are less important, because so few exchnages are made that they are not triggered.
Before grouping was an option, AFTER grouping is required if you wish to maximise exp and take on mobs above your level.
Before solo was easy, AFTER it is hard, and exp is much less. HOWEVER it is not impossible. I experimented last night and I was able to kill level 70 kipees with my level 84 melee... it was close but I was able to do it repeatedly as long as I was careful. It meant there was more down time tho (you cant heal yourself in SOR except with a timer based self heal - so every 3-4 mins). I tried to kill the same mobs in caster mob and it was more difficult but I was able to do it, but not anywhere near as safely. In combined mode is was the most easy - start with 2 casts, then melee them dead.
Exp during these solo tests ranged from 50 to 3000 on one very lucky kill, average was around 1000-1500.
I then joined a group of 2 others, all of us were in offensive mage mode, and we were all running around killing equal and greater levels mobs (robust frippos to raspals) WITHOUT a care in the world. IT WAS EASY!!! We could pull 2 raspals and have them dead in 5 seconds, before it could kill the caster who got agro. And if he did die, well we healed him up and continued... GROUPING is good! Off Magic is much better, Healing is now excellent.
Implications to me: fighting at the low end of the game (less than 100) is quick. After that I suspect it will begin slowing down again, which will bring Stamina back into the equation, which will return Attack After Parry skills to real usefulness, which will mean grouping, which will mean healers and off casters and crowd control and and and and.... Does this sound like fun or what !!!
Those of you who are unable to to kill a yubo are simple doomsayers, you havent really tried. I died 3 times last night testing out all the changes, big deal, it was fun experimenting and learning, and 120K DP is nothing.
My biggest gripe is the server population and an amazing (almost stunning) resistance to grouping in the game. I play on the UK server but I am Australian, My prime time consists of a few other aussies and insomniacs. Getting a group is really hard because half the players are harvestor/crafters and half the rest are soloers, and half the rest are AFK etc etc. Not to mention level differences (although this is no where near as big a problem as it is with other games).
I am still adjusting to the changes, but for now I consider them a favourable change. It is annoying that it has occurred after launch, I fully agree that the devs must have stuffed up somewhere, but for heavens sake name a game that didnt stuff up in its first year (and yes there may be 1 or 2 but there are lots more that stuffed up). People tend to forget if they are enjoying themselves, others leave and find another game. Each to your own.
Just because you dont like what has happened doesnt mean the game isnt still a good one. AO had a disastrous launch, but it is doing great now. Things can and do get better.
That is, without a doubt, the thing that drives me most nuts (other than all the patch crap).
I have stood, no joke, in various regions for a WEEK, calling out for groups, trying to start groups, trying to find a guild to join so I could get groups, etc.
During that week, not one group and honestly there were only 2-3 responses on region chat and all of them told me to join a guild, lol.
Surely you understand you are not meant to take this literally? The real deal is that 100+, melee can't kill anything that gives decent xp. Yes you will get xp, but it will be in the 30-50xp range. Anything higher than that and you begin to accumulate DP at a rate where recovery is no longer possible. Each attempt at recovery results in more DP unless you take several hours to grind it out on mobs way below your level. That's not fun for anybody.
That is so not true. I camp kipees all the time in SOR. I have all the spawn spots marked on my map with little purple flags.
Yes, they'll move around if no one is there to camp them, but they spawn in the same area all the time. And now live ones spawn on top of the dead ones before you're even finished looting the corpse.
Stay and play the game if you like it so much. I just hope you enjoy talking to yourself in it.
I don't really like MMORPG's being insulted
every MMO has his own style and i hope it stays that way because if every MMO would be like WoW and EQ2 no one would even think about buying other MMO's!!!
I just recently started SoR. I started about a week before Patch 1. The game was a little TOO easy before patch 1.
After patch 1, I got my ass handed to me quite a bit. I looked at how I was playing and thought that maybe I should go back to noobie island. So I did.
My new character was going to be full magic and not using melee very much. I attacked a suckling Yubo. Dead. Ok, that plan wasn't going to work. So, I looked around. Found myself a tank, we grouped and was dropping alot harder mobs as a team. That problem solved. Now they have brought the mobs down in difficulty. I was soloing even conned mobs before they brought the mobs down. Now they have the feeling of being easy again. I was finding the challenge from patch 1 to be entertaining.
I have played my share of online Rpg's for a long time. I can see the potential in this game. I do have to say that the overall community is very good in this game. You don't have your Elitists like you do in DAoC. The Devs have been dedicated in thier corrections and improving the game. I love the mature attitude in SoR, compared to the up and coming games which will contain alot of younger leet-speaking kids.
If some of you don't stay, that is understandable. I am by no means a fanboy, nor am I going to shed a tear for those that leave. Such is the nature of online games now.
The game is very expensive
HHmm mmorpg multi mass online role playing game when you party with other people i'ts more fun soloing is lame in a mmorpg you could aswell buy a rpg game at a shop and play ''against the computer''
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[quote]HHmm mmorpg multi mass online role playing game when you party with other people i'ts more fun soloing is lame in a mmorpg you could aswell buy a rpg game at a shop and play ''against the computer'" [/quote]
And they are so many really good RPG out there... thats what i do when i want to play solo.
They might have made the game to hard that is true, but now it takes about 3 to 6 months for moderate players to reach higher then 150/200 lvl, and at 6 months you will have to be 250 or you are n00b
. Anyways, like they announced they will be releasing a major patch every couple of months, so if you finally reach a high lvl and there is nothing more to do then there are all of the sudden alot of new things. I admit that making the game harder has affected the playing fun, but at long terms this fun will increase, trust me! 
They made changes to patch 1, you can now start soloing again.
Who the hell solos all the time in a MMORPG anyways?
EQ2 is not soloable, but it's still a great game in group play.
WoW is kinda soloable, but today my friend and I grouped 3 other people, we were 5, we owned the Firethingy Chasm (Damn forgot the name) in Ogrimmar. We all finished 2 elite quests, we all went up 1 level and a half in just 2 hours. Was freaking great.
If you wanna solo, play offline RPGs, you'll have more fun.
Or play Star Wars Galaxies! Now that's a MMORPG which can be soloed very easily. All you need is to beg 100,000 credits, buy 80% kinetic armor, get a doctor buff and buy some Valarian Brandy and you can solo 75% of all the creatures in the game. You get bored and lonely within 2-3 months though. That's why I quit that crap game.
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Stealth - Ambush - Hemorrhage - Sinister Strike x2 - Cold Blood - Eviscerate - Vanish - Preparation - Cold Blood - Ambush - ... you're dead! :P
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Fading Shadows Guild
Im on the test server too.... its awsome, finally Ryzom will fulfill all its promise
omg
ur quebec guys are crazy
i mean this game suxx
second hand mmorpg...bout gameplay
but u r all funbois coz it frigging french
logiciel is teh kind of software ...but..newer works coz its frigging french
french can make good grafics like rysom is
game play suxx and will suck