And kill off aventurine for good. If they get a couple hundred charge-backs, they are gone. The bank will charge them chargeback fees and stop processing further orders.
This is the way gold sellers abuse MMO producers. When a producer starts to hunt gold sellers too much, the gold sellers buy lots of accounts with stolen credit cards, and then charges back all the transactions. The bank charges the producer of the game with all the charge-back fees (the amount of which grows exponentially with the number of charge-backs, and can grow many times more than the actual purchase value) and furthermore stops processing further payments for the particular producer.
This is why games producers cannot get rid of the sellers. Its a mafia!
Hrm no? I'll wait some time for them to work out a launch, now that servers are up (the lag was minimal) they just need some tweaking to become stable, Granted, this launch is terrible, no doubt. But to disregaurd a good game because a bad launch (common in MMORPGs) is stupid. Give it more then 20mins before everyone cries cancle.
Hrm no? I'll wait some time for them to work out a launch, now that servers are up (the lag was minimal) they just need some tweaking to become stable, Granted, this launch is terrible, no doubt. But to disregaurd a good game because a bad launch (common in MMORPGs) is stupid. Give it more then 20mins before everyone cries cancle.
You're entitled to do as you wish.
This thread is for those who can see the writing on the wall without needing the ceiling to fall on them first.
I do not believe this to be a good suggestion at all. The game is having a rough lauch with is expected. I have hardly ever been in a good lauch even if there was big stress test beforehand and million pumped into the game. So expecting a small indi company would as good as any of those companies would have been foolish.
No i dont wanna do that i know i like the game. And what ever is happening was to be expected.
people that are interrested in this game and not sure they are gonna like it. wait a couple of weeks and try to read the reviews that will be out on the internet. And check other website about info about Darkfall.
I do not believe this to be a good suggestion at all. The game is having a rough lauch with is expected. I have hardly ever been in a good lauch even if there was big stress test beforehand and million pumped into the game. So expecting a small indi company would as good as any of those companies would have been foolish.
"game is feature complete and ready for release"
"game is in better shape than any other mmo at this point"
"we use the pre-orders to know exactly how many people to expect so we are ready"
"we've already got publishing and billing taken care of"
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
I do not believe this to be a good suggestion at all. The game is having a rough lauch with is expected. I have hardly ever been in a good lauch even if there was big stress test beforehand and million pumped into the game. So expecting a small indi company would as good as any of those companies would have been foolish.
"game is feature complete and ready for release"
"game is in better shape than any other mmo at this point"
"we use the pre-orders to know exactly how many people to expect so we are ready"
"we've already got publishing and billing taken care of"
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
AV should be slapped for this launch but not shot. This launch in truth wont change a thing. All you trolls and fanbois alike will be playing when the game gets polished a bit more
I do not believe this to be a good suggestion at all. The game is having a rough lauch with is expected. I have hardly ever been in a good lauch even if there was big stress test beforehand and million pumped into the game. So expecting a small indi company would as good as any of those companies would have been foolish.
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
Tasos has made great mistakes with might actualy be darkfall downfall at the end also I do not give any sympathy to AV or to any other company. I expect a perfect launch, becouse plainly I pay for that however we have come to a place where we as costumers do feel that this is not needed for some reason and companies should just be able to release crappy and unstable server.
However shamefully reality shows us that released are going crappy and the market is not learning at all. So expecting that small companies will have a great launch is still foolish whatever you have sympathy for them or not.
It's stupid that your 30 days game time starts immediately. Yes I know they give 33 days now as "compensation", but honestly, I'd prefer if they gave me a CD-Key instead and I could choose when to activate my account.
I'd wait a week or so till most initial problems are fixed and start playing then.
Now I can't play but 33 days is still ticking away... Gah!
how many of you shit mouthed trolls have actually played the game?
Probably none of them. Is it THEIR fault the launch is jacked up?
If I hadn't been in Beta, I'd be cancelling my order..... non-Beta players don't know what they paid for, they're not going to take as much crap as those of us that played the game and are still excited about it.
I do not believe this to be a good suggestion at all. The game is having a rough lauch with is expected. I have hardly ever been in a good lauch even if there was big stress test beforehand and million pumped into the game. So expecting a small indi company would as good as any of those companies would have been foolish.
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
Tasos has made great mistakes with might actualy be darkfall downfall at the end also I do not give any sympathy to AV or to any other company. I expect a perfect launch, becouse plainly I pay for that however we have come to a place where we as costumers do feel that this is not needed for some reason and companies should just be able to release crappy and unstable server.
However shamefully reality shows us that released are going crappy and the market is not learning at all. So expecting that small companies will have a great launch is still foolish whatever you have sympathy for them or not.
Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk. {mod edit}. You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
I haven't pre-ordered Darkfall so I cannot play yet....but I cannot wait to waste 50 or so dollars on it. You see I have this thing called a job that provides me with money, and I waste lots of money, I like to play video games, drink and smoke. So spending 50 or so dollars on Darkfall to try it out is no problem for me. When you buy a game you should be ready for the consequences that there is about a 50% chance you didn't get what you paid for.
Hrm no? I'll wait some time for them to work out a launch, now that servers are up (the lag was minimal) they just need some tweaking to become stable, Granted, this launch is terrible, no doubt. But to disregaurd a good game because a bad launch (common in MMORPGs) is stupid. Give it more then 20mins before everyone cries cancle.
It's really not a good game as it stands now. I can understand why some people like it (I wonder how many days that will last) but it has a lot of problems. One of the biggest is that ist is an macro/hack/explot fest right now for a competative game this is not good.
I do not believe this to be a good suggestion at all. The game is having a rough lauch with is expected. I have hardly ever been in a good lauch even if there was big stress test beforehand and million pumped into the game. So expecting a small indi company would as good as any of those companies would have been foolish.
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
Tasos has made great mistakes with might actualy be darkfall downfall at the end also I do not give any sympathy to AV or to any other company. I expect a perfect launch, becouse plainly I pay for that however we have come to a place where we as costumers do feel that this is not needed for some reason and companies should just be able to release crappy and unstable server.
However shamefully reality shows us that released are going crappy and the market is not learning at all. So expecting that small companies will have a great launch is still foolish whatever you have sympathy for them or not.
Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk. {mod edit}. You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
Make sure you have an egotistical hack do all your PR though. Make sure he can double talk better than most politicians, then have him go on a rampage about trolls on a popular MMO website. And definately make sure that years before your game launches dismally that he says its "feature complete" and "ready to launch."
Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk.{mod edit} You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
Not true, Aion launch was flawless and they had ten's of thousands more peeps and servers (12) on launch day than DF did.
By your comments you sound like you are vested or have stock in AV. Get a clue bro.
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Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk. {mod edit} You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
Not true, Aion launch was flawless and they had ten's of thousands more peeps and servers (12) on launch day than DF did.
By your comments you sound like you are vested or have stock in AV. Get a clue bro.
I've never heard of Aion, if it had 12 servers, it's certainly as hell not an indie company, so even if the largest companies don't always have trouble at launch, who cares? Some did. Even blizzard did with WoW. I fail to see the huge deal here, seriously you folks are way too uptight.
Hrm no? I'll wait some time for them to work out a launch, now that servers are up (the lag was minimal) they just need some tweaking to become stable, Granted, this launch is terrible, no doubt. But to disregaurd a good game because a bad launch (common in MMORPGs) is stupid. Give it more then 20mins before everyone cries cancle.
You're entitled to do as you wish.
This thread is for those who can see the writing on the wall without needing the ceiling to fall on them first.
you have no idea do you the game is just fine there doign teh schedule maintiance now sevrer will be up for the most part today i would say
Hrm no? I'll wait some time for them to work out a launch, now that servers are up (the lag was minimal) they just need some tweaking to become stable, Granted, this launch is terrible, no doubt. But to disregaurd a good game because a bad launch (common in MMORPGs) is stupid. Give it more then 20mins before everyone cries cancle.
You're entitled to do as you wish.
This thread is for those who can see the writing on the wall without needing the ceiling to fall on them first.
you have no idea do you the game is just fine there doign teh schedule maintiance now sevrer will be up for the most part today i would say
More conjecture? Id say after Feb 25th your conjecture should be considered worthless at best. You really think theyre gonna bang out the shit ton of problems theyre having with such a small team? I predicted this years ago. Perhaps they should have their AI "testers" have a go at fixing some problems.
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And kill off aventurine for good. If they get a couple hundred charge-backs, they are gone. The bank will charge them chargeback fees and stop processing further orders.
This is the way gold sellers abuse MMO producers. When a producer starts to hunt gold sellers too much, the gold sellers buy lots of accounts with stolen credit cards, and then charges back all the transactions. The bank charges the producer of the game with all the charge-back fees (the amount of which grows exponentially with the number of charge-backs, and can grow many times more than the actual purchase value) and furthermore stops processing further payments for the particular producer.
This is why games producers cannot get rid of the sellers. Its a mafia!
Well you are right if you want your money back you need to do it within 1-2 days depending the policy of your creditcard company or bank.
After that.... don't bother. You will have to go through hell to get it back.
Hrm no? I'll wait some time for them to work out a launch, now that servers are up (the lag was minimal) they just need some tweaking to become stable, Granted, this launch is terrible, no doubt. But to disregaurd a good game because a bad launch (common in MMORPGs) is stupid. Give it more then 20mins before everyone cries cancle.
You're entitled to do as you wish.
This thread is for those who can see the writing on the wall without needing the ceiling to fall on them first.
I do not believe this to be a good suggestion at all. The game is having a rough lauch with is expected. I have hardly ever been in a good lauch even if there was big stress test beforehand and million pumped into the game. So expecting a small indi company would as good as any of those companies would have been foolish.
good idea let me do that straight away.
wait
wait
No i dont wanna do that i know i like the game. And what ever is happening was to be expected.
people that are interrested in this game and not sure they are gonna like it. wait a couple of weeks and try to read the reviews that will be out on the internet. And check other website about info about Darkfall.
Everyone who preordered knew what he was doing. Now, pay, think a little before preordering something next time.
Yes do a chargeback because the launch had problems. If you listen to this kind of logic no MMO would ever exist.
I wonder how many people have done this already?
"game is feature complete and ready for release"
"game is in better shape than any other mmo at this point"
"we use the pre-orders to know exactly how many people to expect so we are ready"
"we've already got publishing and billing taken care of"
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
"game is feature complete and ready for release"
"game is in better shape than any other mmo at this point"
"we use the pre-orders to know exactly how many people to expect so we are ready"
"we've already got publishing and billing taken care of"
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
AV should be slapped for this launch but not shot. This launch in truth wont change a thing. All you trolls and fanbois alike will be playing when the game gets polished a bit more
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
Tasos has made great mistakes with might actualy be darkfall downfall at the end also I do not give any sympathy to AV or to any other company. I expect a perfect launch, becouse plainly I pay for that however we have come to a place where we as costumers do feel that this is not needed for some reason and companies should just be able to release crappy and unstable server.
However shamefully reality shows us that released are going crappy and the market is not learning at all. So expecting that small companies will have a great launch is still foolish whatever you have sympathy for them or not.
It's stupid that your 30 days game time starts immediately. Yes I know they give 33 days now as "compensation", but honestly, I'd prefer if they gave me a CD-Key instead and I could choose when to activate my account.
I'd wait a week or so till most initial problems are fixed and start playing then.
Now I can't play but 33 days is still ticking away... Gah!
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how many of you shit mouthed trolls have actually played the game?
Probably none of them. Is it THEIR fault the launch is jacked up?
If I hadn't been in Beta, I'd be cancelling my order..... non-Beta players don't know what they paid for, they're not going to take as much crap as those of us that played the game and are still excited about it.
how many of you shit mouthed trolls have actually played the game?
DF official forums must still be down then.
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
Tasos has made great mistakes with might actualy be darkfall downfall at the end also I do not give any sympathy to AV or to any other company. I expect a perfect launch, becouse plainly I pay for that however we have come to a place where we as costumers do feel that this is not needed for some reason and companies should just be able to release crappy and unstable server.
However shamefully reality shows us that released are going crappy and the market is not learning at all. So expecting that small companies will have a great launch is still foolish whatever you have sympathy for them or not.
Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk. {mod edit}. You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
I haven't pre-ordered Darkfall so I cannot play yet....but I cannot wait to waste 50 or so dollars on it. You see I have this thing called a job that provides me with money, and I waste lots of money, I like to play video games, drink and smoke. So spending 50 or so dollars on Darkfall to try it out is no problem for me. When you buy a game you should be ready for the consequences that there is about a 50% chance you didn't get what you paid for.
My opinion matters to everyone...
It's really not a good game as it stands now. I can understand why some people like it (I wonder how many days that will last) but it has a lot of problems. One of the biggest is that ist is an macro/hack/explot fest right now for a competative game this is not good.
So, although I might normally agree with you when it comes to indy devs, Aventurine ( through Tasos ) shot themselves in the ass and can expect no sympathy from me., and should expect none from anyone else.
Tasos has made great mistakes with might actualy be darkfall downfall at the end also I do not give any sympathy to AV or to any other company. I expect a perfect launch, becouse plainly I pay for that however we have come to a place where we as costumers do feel that this is not needed for some reason and companies should just be able to release crappy and unstable server.
However shamefully reality shows us that released are going crappy and the market is not learning at all. So expecting that small companies will have a great launch is still foolish whatever you have sympathy for them or not.
Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk. {mod edit}. You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
Make sure you have an egotistical hack do all your PR though. Make sure he can double talk better than most politicians, then have him go on a rampage about trolls on a popular MMO website. And definately make sure that years before your game launches dismally that he says its "feature complete" and "ready to launch."
I played the game it's fun it works and the company is just a shit show because they have never done anything like this before.
There is no signs of foul play here in any way at all.
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Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk.{mod edit} You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
Not true, Aion launch was flawless and they had ten's of thousands more peeps and servers (12) on launch day than DF did.
By your comments you sound like you are vested or have stock in AV. Get a clue bro.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
Here's my challenge for you. Go get 10-15 talented buddies of yours, start a new company, and, with no previous experience whatsoever; try to make a niche MMORPG. I'll be surprised if you can even create a decent enough plan for it to get an investor.
After that, work for 7-8 years on minimal wages to conserve resources, knowing all to well that you'll barely have enough money to even have one decent server at launch IF you get there. traverse through the unimaginably complex and tricky world of coding a MONUFUCKINGMENTAL game, then, FINALLY, have EIGHT years, try to release it; only to be meant with twenty times the amount of traffic you had expected (becase you never advertised, kept a low profile, etc...) and have everyone attack you because you can't afford the absolute best of the best in server technology for your billing and processing partners.
When you do that, you can talk. {mod edit} You paid 53$. That's nothing. That's fucking chump change for the effort they've put into this. The idea that you can't support an indie company because they've had a rough start, like even the BIGGEST companies have when launching an MMORPG, is ridiculous.
Not true, Aion launch was flawless and they had ten's of thousands more peeps and servers (12) on launch day than DF did.
By your comments you sound like you are vested or have stock in AV. Get a clue bro.
I've never heard of Aion, if it had 12 servers, it's certainly as hell not an indie company, so even if the largest companies don't always have trouble at launch, who cares? Some did. Even blizzard did with WoW. I fail to see the huge deal here, seriously you folks are way too uptight.
You're entitled to do as you wish.
This thread is for those who can see the writing on the wall without needing the ceiling to fall on them first.
you have no idea do you the game is just fine there doign teh schedule maintiance now sevrer will be up for the most part today i would say
You're entitled to do as you wish.
This thread is for those who can see the writing on the wall without needing the ceiling to fall on them first.
you have no idea do you the game is just fine there doign teh schedule maintiance now sevrer will be up for the most part today i would say
More conjecture? Id say after Feb 25th your conjecture should be considered worthless at best. You really think theyre gonna bang out the shit ton of problems theyre having with such a small team? I predicted this years ago. Perhaps they should have their AI "testers" have a go at fixing some problems.
lol thats true