If it didn't take you guys that long to get your city, after the fix even if they wipe you can prove yourself more. It's a win more than a loss for your rep.
Funny that you don't realize how much time people actually sacrificed just to be there when the servers first come up let alone the time it took them to farm for the guild/city.
And ppl are calling the clan a bunch of exploiters. Would it not be better to prove them wrong?
Anybody who does not want the server wipe is someone who exploited the game or a person on these forums who has never played Darkfall and just voted no because they want the game to fail. If they don't wipe the server the ywill lose alot of subscribers. More people want it wiped than those who have exploited the game and want their false acheivements to be kept.
If it didn't take you guys that long to get your city, after the fix even if they wipe you can prove yourself more. It's a win more than a loss for your rep.
Funny that you don't realize how much time people actually sacrificed just to be there when the servers first come up let alone the time it took them to farm for the guild/city.
And ppl are calling the clan a bunch of exploiters. Would it not be better to prove them wrong?
You're assuming they actually care what others think.
If it didn't take you guys that long to get your city, after the fix even if they wipe you can prove yourself more. It's a win more than a loss for your rep.
Funny that you don't realize how much time people actually sacrificed just to be there when the servers first come up let alone the time it took them to farm for the guild/city.
And ppl are calling the clan a bunch of exploiters. Would it not be better to prove them wrong?
You're assuming they actually care what others think.
You mean because they advertised their clan so much in forumfall? Why would I not think that? One of the main reasons for a clan (other than RL friends to play together) is to have a high reputation of being the best.
As long as people keep making posts crying about the exploits destroying the game and the need for a wipe, two effects:
1. They will wipe the server.
2. If they dont, then we damage them indirectly by complaining and driving people away.
So, or they do what we want (effect 1) or they endure the effect 2.
Im 100% for spamming all the forums about how Darkfall is already full of cheaters/botters/macroers/exploiters and the game is overrun by beta guilds owning everything and blablabla.
WE NEED A WIPE.
In the worst case scenario, there will be other servers.
Exploit the hell out of it with whatever exploit is left by the time they open it.
Whipe server whipe all accounts make it f2p so we can all play:P
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
People are not having problems with guilds that worked it legitamately. So those of you that are taking that part personal should shift that aside.
The problem is with the known offenders to the exploitation. Its not like Adventurine can come through and specifically pin point who did it and what not. They had their hands full with the sync issues.
You cannot be selective in the punishment because you'd of had to have someone standing over their shoulder watching them. So its all or none. Either we get a full server wipe, and everyone starts over with a clean slate and no sync issues. Or the exploiters essentially get a free weeks head start.
Yeah, it is that big of a thing. If you managed to get 10k in less than 2 hours. Imagine how much you were able to bankroll in the 8-12 hours the server was actually up. Its about economics, you then have a huge advantage on skill gains, on the crafting part of you city. This isn't even mentioning the 50+ swords and weaponry that were being piled up in their bank without them earning it.
Yes, I have the game. Yes, I was able to log in after a few of the human black hole issues. I still had the massive sync issues. I have close to 4 skills that are over 30.
I'm more than willing to work for it all again, for a wipe. I'd gladly accept defeat from someone who earned it (shake their hand, and promise to be back to kick their ass), than have it be shoved down my throat by those who got it through ill means.
This is also a test of Adventurine and how they will be for the rest of the games life. Just like the president is judged by his first 90 days in office, so are MMO companies. If they don't stop it here, who is to say they will stop it down the road. Is that really a company your willing to front money for? So, I hope Adventurine steps up to the plate, I think their loyal fans deserve nothing less.
they have to reset, if they dont I can almost see atleast 5k population drop within the first month. nobody enjoyrs getting slaughtered by the giuild that found the f'ed up spawn.
Yeah, just have everyone leave the server, and when there is nobody but the exploiters left, guess they will be bored.
People are not having problems with guilds that worked it legitamately. So those of you that are taking that part personal should shift that aside.
The problem is with the known offenders to the exploitation. Its not like Adventurine can come through and specifically pin point who did it and what not. They had their hands full with the sync issues.
You cannot be selective in the punishment because you'd of had to have someone standing over their shoulder watching them. So its all or none. Either we get a full server wipe, and everyone starts over with a clean slate and no sync issues. Or the exploiters essentially get a free weeks head start. Yeah, it is that big of a thing. If you managed to get 10k in less than 2 hours. Imagine how much you were able to bankroll in the 8-12 hours the server was actually up. Its about economics, you then have a huge advantage on skill gains, on the crafting part of you city. This isn't even mentioning the 50+ swords and weaponry that were being piled up in their bank without them earning it. Yes, I have the game. Yes, I was able to log in after a few of the human black hole issues. I still had the massive sync issues. I have close to 4 skills that are over 30.
I'm more than willing to work for it all again, for a wipe. I'd gladly accept defeat from someone who earned it (shake their hand, and promise to be back to kick their ass), than have it be shoved down my throat by those who got it through ill means.
This is also a test of Adventurine and how they will be for the rest of the games life. Just like the president is judged by his first 90 days in office, so are MMO companies. If they don't stop it here, who is to say they will stop it down the road. Is that really a company your willing to front money for? So, I hope Adventurine steps up to the plate, I think their loyal fans deserve nothing less.
You cannot be selective in the punishment because you'd of had to have someone standing over their shoulder watching them. So its all or none. Either we get a full server wipe, and everyone starts over with a clean slate and no sync issues. Or the exploiters essentially get a free weeks head start.
Wipe the server, and ban everyone that currently owns a city. Its probably the only way to teach people that using / abusing exploits will not be tolerated.
You cannot be selective in the punishment because you'd of had to have someone standing over their shoulder watching them. So its all or none. Either we get a full server wipe, and everyone starts over with a clean slate and no sync issues. Or the exploiters essentially get a free weeks head start.
As far as I know, Brannoc was watching.
Truth, he was watching every single person run in place with the awesome sync problems. He was also laughing at those ppl.
Wipe the server, and ban everyone that currently owns a city. Its probably the only way to teach people that using / abusing exploits will not be tolerated.
It was possible for at least the later clans that got a city since some had 30+ in game.
They couldn't do that because the problem was on the companies end. They created it with allowing the sync issues to continue.
Once the servers came up, the sync issue was discovered. They should have brought them immediately down. But rather than face an angry mob of people they left it up. Hind-sight is 20/20, but they can't ignore what they've done.
With clans like LOD and many others exploiting the bleep out of the sync issue the server is already compromised. The opening day catered to cheaters and now 13 citys are already claimed. There is no competition any more due to the rocky launch and futher more, we cannot voice our opinions due to the official forums being down. I dont know about you guys, but when i asked my race alliance wether or not they wanted a wipe, 90 percent were all for it.
My Friend,
I don't know if you've noticed or not, but as the many beta tester have mentioned and now the many of public are witnesing... Darkfall is not a viable video game and is a horrendious production with shoddy development!!
EVERYTHING that is happening right now..., down the all the server downtime, sync issues and ignoramous web-updates from Aventurine, was predicted to happen from and overhwhelming majority of the beta testers.
Understand, when someone suggest the game isn't going to last a month, they are not saying that because they hate someone, or want the game to fail. It is because every indication and warning signs points in that direction. Darkfail is a flop in the biggest sense, no matter what you say to that will not hide the fact that the same issues we are having now, will just be some "different" issue next week, that will keep people out of the game.
They just don't know how to make a MMORPG and thought building this beautiful game world = game and didn't understand that characters, npc and stuff in the game would be so hard to build and make work.
Your quote above seems so trivial inlue of whats actually going on, I had to point it out.
Wipe the whole damn server out and start fresh. You can't leave it like this now knowing all the exploiting that went on. THis has to be one of the worst starts I've ever seem and I've been playing mmo's since UO. Shit happens so wipe it out and start fresh. The only ones complaining will be the exploiters.
I dont know who did exploit or not. I know that Ive heard people say they did, and I know that to get 12k gold with so few people able to log in and play in that amount of time with the problems that the servers were having is very hard.
I know that people told me they exploited mobs, for good loot and coin. Would they have got a city that fast or not? who knows.
Wiping the server isnt a major deal at this time. Its about 12 hours of wipe of really bad sync issues. I dont think its that hard to just wipe it.
Plus people have name issues where they made a toon got into a black hole (human areas mostly) and then deleted the toon to play. They then found out that they cant use that name again.
Wipe at this time isnt a problem. Later I can see but right now it wouldnt be a big deal. If clans got it fair then they shouldnt mind a wipe because they can do it fast again. If they exploited would be the main reason they would whine.
I don't really have a problem with Aventurine sp? Screwing up the launch but not mending the damage by exploiters is just wrong. Wipe the server and keep a competitive game as such.
we could definitly use a wipe, whether people are exploiting are not many accounts had sync issues the first day (some did not though which gave them a huge advantage)...honestly if it only took a few hours to get cities then a wipe wouldnt be a big deal at all....as of now the clans with cities can go ahead and get another city since their 24 hour timer is up
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Funny that you don't realize how much time people actually sacrificed just to be there when the servers first come up let alone the time it took them to farm for the guild/city.
And ppl are calling the clan a bunch of exploiters. Would it not be better to prove them wrong?
Wipe the server!
Anybody who does not want the server wipe is someone who exploited the game or a person on these forums who has never played Darkfall and just voted no because they want the game to fail. If they don't wipe the server the ywill lose alot of subscribers. More people want it wiped than those who have exploited the game and want their false acheivements to be kept.
Funny that you don't realize how much time people actually sacrificed just to be there when the servers first come up let alone the time it took them to farm for the guild/city.
And ppl are calling the clan a bunch of exploiters. Would it not be better to prove them wrong?
You're assuming they actually care what others think.
Funny that you don't realize how much time people actually sacrificed just to be there when the servers first come up let alone the time it took them to farm for the guild/city.
And ppl are calling the clan a bunch of exploiters. Would it not be better to prove them wrong?
You're assuming they actually care what others think.
You mean because they advertised their clan so much in forumfall? Why would I not think that? One of the main reasons for a clan (other than RL friends to play together) is to have a high reputation of being the best.
As long as people keep making posts crying about the exploits destroying the game and the need for a wipe, two effects:
1. They will wipe the server.
2. If they dont, then we damage them indirectly by complaining and driving people away.
So, or they do what we want (effect 1) or they endure the effect 2.
Im 100% for spamming all the forums about how Darkfall is already full of cheaters/botters/macroers/exploiters and the game is overrun by beta guilds owning everything and blablabla.
WE NEED A WIPE.
In the worst case scenario, there will be other servers.
Exploit the hell out of it with whatever exploit is left by the time they open it.
Whipe server whipe all accounts make it f2p so we can all play:P
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I'm sure there is a way to wipe the item database without deleting all our characters.
they used to wipe all the time after OB. Then they started enticing people to test with "you can keep you characters"....BAH!!
wipe it....keep it clean for the folks that weren't in the beta
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
People are not having problems with guilds that worked it legitamately. So those of you that are taking that part personal should shift that aside.
The problem is with the known offenders to the exploitation. Its not like Adventurine can come through and specifically pin point who did it and what not. They had their hands full with the sync issues.
You cannot be selective in the punishment because you'd of had to have someone standing over their shoulder watching them. So its all or none. Either we get a full server wipe, and everyone starts over with a clean slate and no sync issues. Or the exploiters essentially get a free weeks head start.
Yeah, it is that big of a thing. If you managed to get 10k in less than 2 hours. Imagine how much you were able to bankroll in the 8-12 hours the server was actually up. Its about economics, you then have a huge advantage on skill gains, on the crafting part of you city. This isn't even mentioning the 50+ swords and weaponry that were being piled up in their bank without them earning it.
Yes, I have the game. Yes, I was able to log in after a few of the human black hole issues. I still had the massive sync issues. I have close to 4 skills that are over 30.
I'm more than willing to work for it all again, for a wipe. I'd gladly accept defeat from someone who earned it (shake their hand, and promise to be back to kick their ass), than have it be shoved down my throat by those who got it through ill means.
This is also a test of Adventurine and how they will be for the rest of the games life. Just like the president is judged by his first 90 days in office, so are MMO companies. If they don't stop it here, who is to say they will stop it down the road. Is that really a company your willing to front money for? So, I hope Adventurine steps up to the plate, I think their loyal fans deserve nothing less.
Yeah, just have everyone leave the server, and when there is nobody but the exploiters left, guess they will be bored.
Very well said. Except the adventurine part.
As far as I know, Brannoc was watching.
If you believe that Brannoc can watch the full server, then I think your putting him a little high on the pedestal.
Wipe the server, and ban everyone that currently owns a city. Its probably the only way to teach people that using / abusing exploits will not be tolerated.
As far as I know, Brannoc was watching.
Truth, he was watching every single person run in place with the awesome sync problems. He was also laughing at those ppl.
It was possible for at least the later clans that got a city since some had 30+ in game.
They couldn't do that because the problem was on the companies end. They created it with allowing the sync issues to continue.
Once the servers came up, the sync issue was discovered. They should have brought them immediately down. But rather than face an angry mob of people they left it up. Hind-sight is 20/20, but they can't ignore what they've done.
My Friend,
I don't know if you've noticed or not, but as the many beta tester have mentioned and now the many of public are witnesing... Darkfall is not a viable video game and is a horrendious production with shoddy development!!
EVERYTHING that is happening right now..., down the all the server downtime, sync issues and ignoramous web-updates from Aventurine, was predicted to happen from and overhwhelming majority of the beta testers.
Understand, when someone suggest the game isn't going to last a month, they are not saying that because they hate someone, or want the game to fail. It is because every indication and warning signs points in that direction. Darkfail is a flop in the biggest sense, no matter what you say to that will not hide the fact that the same issues we are having now, will just be some "different" issue next week, that will keep people out of the game.
They just don't know how to make a MMORPG and thought building this beautiful game world = game and didn't understand that characters, npc and stuff in the game would be so hard to build and make work.
Your quote above seems so trivial inlue of whats actually going on, I had to point it out.
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Wipe the whole damn server out and start fresh. You can't leave it like this now knowing all the exploiting that went on. THis has to be one of the worst starts I've ever seem and I've been playing mmo's since UO. Shit happens so wipe it out and start fresh. The only ones complaining will be the exploiters.
Remember peeps we have GoonSwarm from EVE Online coming to infest the server in Darkfall.
I dont know who did exploit or not. I know that Ive heard people say they did, and I know that to get 12k gold with so few people able to log in and play in that amount of time with the problems that the servers were having is very hard.
I know that people told me they exploited mobs, for good loot and coin. Would they have got a city that fast or not? who knows.
Wiping the server isnt a major deal at this time. Its about 12 hours of wipe of really bad sync issues. I dont think its that hard to just wipe it.
Plus people have name issues where they made a toon got into a black hole (human areas mostly) and then deleted the toon to play. They then found out that they cant use that name again.
Wipe at this time isnt a problem. Later I can see but right now it wouldnt be a big deal. If clans got it fair then they shouldnt mind a wipe because they can do it fast again.
If they exploited would be the main reason they would whine.
-MrDDT
I don't really have a problem with Aventurine sp? Screwing up the launch but not mending the damage by exploiters is just wrong. Wipe the server and keep a competitive game as such.
Bumping because people can't seem to click 2 buttons before they leave the thread.
we could definitly use a wipe, whether people are exploiting are not many accounts had sync issues the first day (some did not though which gave them a huge advantage)...honestly if it only took a few hours to get cities then a wipe wouldnt be a big deal at all....as of now the clans with cities can go ahead and get another city since their 24 hour timer is up
And people are too selfish because they were raised badly.....