I just want the prospective players to be informed that they should pick their servers very very carefully for their best experience.
This is very true.
Again. Let me not be too harsh.
WAR is lot of fun for a month, maybe even two...but thats it. And actually Mythic is all to blame here because they did have fundamentals for great game.
And PVP in WAR is great. And than again its also disappointing when you see some huge class imbalances , and realise some classes are just trash ( god forbid you actually invested time leveling them)
In my oppinion WAR can still be good game - if they remove all battlegrounds (which are fun , but they hurt the game in more ways than you can imagine) - and bring game much closer to DAOC
I just say again - 10 lvl trial is not enough to get real picture of what WAR is, and why so many abandoned it
My 2nd day: I tried some public quests yesterday. It was quite easy most of the time to find a group. We were rushing from one quest to another, got some shiny stuff too.
I was again surprised how smooth and easy it was.
To clarify, I am not interested in PvE content in any way. To me, the purpose of any MMO is to play with or against other human beings and this part is well done in WAR. I can't speak for other games since EVE is the only game I was playing intensively enough.
I think the reason why people put the game, and any others, down is because of their expectations and comparisons to other games. You can like some feature and mechanics of other game but it does not mean they should be implemented in other game.Every game is different, and to some extent unique, and should be evaluated as that.
I don't take WAR seriously as some deep complex experience. WAR is definately fun, if you allow yourself to enjoy it.
Note: As for open PvP, I was participating in 50 men battle yesterday, taking place in open PvP space(no instance).
Here is the wrap from someone that actually played the game Yes the game is amazing - for first ten levels ... then from next ten levels it gets tedious...and than for next ten levels you are wondering why are you playing this cow dung... and than for next ten levels you can only call yourself resistant to bordom and repetition
Guys, its the AOC syndrom WAR actually seems like good game at beggining, but it quickly drops into empty boring cathegory at higher levels.
I never regreted more buying a MMO And i even bought Tabula Rasa , and AOC (that didnt even work on my PC)
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
-I'm rank 32 and I'm actually considering an alt something I wasn't planning to do - So I think it's up to the person again
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handfull of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
-a) You're wrong. The game IS open world - It's as open world as WoW if you want that comparison. Unless you're calling WoW "instanced". Therefore it is open world and PvP in oRvR is quite open world too - Warbands flying from one place to another to attack/defend. How is that instanced? Get a clue.
-b) A handful of BGs per tier is better than a 4 BGs for the whole game (look at WoW - certainly an improvement over that right?)
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
- Name total junk classes or gtfo - No valid points made here so...
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
- Your server - Plus what do you want ? Force people to leave the server ?
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
- Still generic points made and it's just your opinion. I had as much fun in Gunbad as any WoW dungeon for example. It's up to the player
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
- Not empty, was doing oRVR up to 6am on a WEDNESDAY last week. Talking about 2 warbands vs 2 warbands in T3
There you go.
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
- Yet another one touched in their dirty spot by Mythic somehow ? Enjoy your crusade
Here is the wrap from someone that actually played the game Yes the game is amazing - for first ten levels ... then from next ten levels it gets tedious...and than for next ten levels you are wondering why are you playing this cow dung... and than for next ten levels you can only call yourself resistant to bordom and repetition
Guys, its the AOC syndrom WAR actually seems like good game at beggining, but it quickly drops into empty boring cathegory at higher levels.
I never regreted more buying a MMO And i even bought Tabula Rasa , and AOC (that didnt even work on my PC)
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
-I'm rank 32 and I'm actually considering an alt something I wasn't planning to do - So I think it's up to the person again
Surely some people are more resistant to boredom, tedium and repetition.
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handfull of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
-a) You're wrong. The game IS open world - It's as open world as WoW if you want that comparison. Unless you're calling WoW "instanced". Therefore it is open world and PvP in oRvR is quite open world too - Warbands flying from one place to another to attack/defend. How is that instanced? Get a clue.
I didnt say game has no open world PVP zones. Are you allright ?
I said that scenarios ruined open world PVP.
World PVP in WAR is this: Lone destruction player checks if tier PVP zone is empty. Than they form group and take all objectives when no one is around to oppose them. It is done usually in none peek hours.
In peek hours world PVP is ghost town
-b) A handful of BGs per tier is better than a 4 BGs for the whole game (look at WoW - certainly an improvement over that right?)
So WAR touted to be the ultimate PVP game, has slightly better PVP than WOW...
Well hurah! What a acomplishment!
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
- Name total junk classes or gtfo - No valid points made here so...
Less good than similar classes that you can choose : Blade Master , Witch Hunter
Total OMG i OWN everyone and nobody can touch me I WIN BUTTON ! : Bright Wizard , Witch Elf
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
- Your server - Plus what do you want ? Force people to leave the server ?
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
- Still generic points made and it's just your opinion. I had as much fun in Gunbad as any WoW dungeon for example. It's up to the player
Again - If better than WOW is any acomplishment, i rest my case
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
- Not empty, was doing oRVR up to 6am on a WEDNESDAY last week. Talking about 2 warbands vs 2 warbands in T3
Tell me when you last time grouped in Public quest ?
There you go.
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
- Yet another one touched in their dirty spot by Mythic somehow ? Enjoy your crusade
Post here next month when you cancel out of boredom - if you stand by your word
Here is the wrap from someone that actually played the game Yes the game is amazing - for first ten levels ... then from next ten levels it gets tedious...and than for next ten levels you are wondering why are you playing this cow dung... and than for next ten levels you can only call yourself resistant to bordom and repetition
Guys, its the AOC syndrom WAR actually seems like good game at beggining, but it quickly drops into empty boring cathegory at higher levels.
I never regreted more buying a MMO And i even bought Tabula Rasa , and AOC (that didnt even work on my PC)
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
-I'm rank 32 and I'm actually considering an alt something I wasn't planning to do - So I think it's up to the person again
Surely some people are more resistant to boredom, tedium and repetition.
Which is still subjective on what one finds boring/tedius or repetitive am i right? Therefore it's just opinions ---> Worth squat.
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handfull of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
-a) You're wrong. The game IS open world - It's as open world as WoW if you want that comparison. Unless you're calling WoW "instanced". Therefore it is open world and PvP in oRvR is quite open world too - Warbands flying from one place to another to attack/defend. How is that instanced? Get a clue.
I didnt say game has no open world PVP zones. Are you allright ?
I said that scenarios ruined open world PVP.
Up to what rank you played again? I don't see scenarios ruining open world PvP. It does offer PvP in scenarios AND outdoor open world. Therefore your argument is moot. Still subjective to what you believe/experienced.
World PVP in WAR is this: Lone destruction player checks if tier PVP zone is empty. Than they form group and take all objectives when no one is around to oppose them. It is done usually in none peek hours.
In peek hours world PVP is ghost town
Cause you can back this up since you're still an active subscriber and player?
When this is done it may be cheap but you're saying destro as if they're lesser men or something. It's their way of doing things we can also do it, it's legal and within game limits isnt it ? Anyhow, peak hours world pvp is ghost town ? I login on peak times FOR THE ORVR ALONE - so personally I don't know what you're talking about... My experience differs (same for the rest in my server I suppose...and in guild since we constantly form WBs and invite randoms for the oRvR).
-b) A handful of BGs per tier is better than a 4 BGs for the whole game (look at WoW - certainly an improvement over that right?)
So WAR touted to be the ultimate PVP game, has slightly better PVP than WOW...
Well hurah! What a acomplishment!
It still offers more and you're comparing a game released 6 months ago with a colossus that's been strong for like what ? 4-5 years? Could have been more and better but it's still fine as it is really.
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
- Name total junk classes or gtfo - No valid points made here so...
Less good than similar classes that you can choose : Blade Master , Witch Hunter
Total OMG i OWN everyone and nobody can touch me I WIN BUTTON ! : Bright Wizard , Witch Elf
Sguig Herder/Engineer are fine imho - If the player KNOWS how to play he can top up the DPS *and* be useful. Magus/Shadow Warrior I haven't had any experience with.
Witch hunters are a decent class but is kind of hard to play properly. Blade Master ? lol - You *really* played this game a lot haven't you ? It's SWORD master and they've been buffed. If you had played the game recently you'd see BW is not as OP as it was in the launch neither is Witch Elf...So are you the usual troll that bashes a game based on what it was months ago and not how it is now?So basically you're clueless yet have a strong opinion...Mhm...
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
- Your server - Plus what do you want ? Force people to leave the server ?
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
- Still generic points made and it's just your opinion. I had as much fun in Gunbad as any WoW dungeon for example. It's up to the player
Again - If better than WOW is any acomplishment, i rest my case
Judging by the game I played the most and is the best seller at the moment...
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
- Not empty, was doing oRVR up to 6am on a WEDNESDAY last week. Talking about 2 warbands vs 2 warbands in T3
Tell me when you last time grouped in Public quest ?
Past 4 nights actually... Been doing T3 and T4... And I've done High Pass in one go and some T4 PQs yesterday...
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
- Yet another one touched in their dirty spot by Mythic somehow ? Enjoy your crusade
Post here next month when you cancel out of boredom - if you stand by your word
I'm on my...4th month of WAR - so you're certain I'll be bored? What do I win if I prove you wrong then ? lol
Here is the wrap from someone that actually played the game Yes the game is amazing - for first ten levels ... then from next ten levels it gets tedious...and than for next ten levels you are wondering why are you playing this cow dung... and than for next ten levels you can only call yourself resistant to bordom and repetition
Guys, its the AOC syndrom WAR actually seems like good game at beggining, but it quickly drops into empty boring cathegory at higher levels.
I never regreted more buying a MMO And i even bought Tabula Rasa , and AOC (that didnt even work on my PC)
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handful of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
There you go.
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
I generally respect your opinion and find at least a little value to your post.. but you are blindly trolling WAR at this point.. and FYI, a lot of what you are saying is wholly inaccurate at this point. You are describing the game at launch, and if you want to continue to trash the game, you should try to at least get an idea of how the game is now.
1) People are NOT playing scenarios the way they did at launch. That only lasted a few months. ANYONE who has played the game in the last 3 months know that this IS a game with heavy open world RvR. I never do scenarios and I spend hours a day in open world RvR.
2) this is no longer accurate. There were a few overpowered classes. Witch Elf being the worst.. but this has been adjusted over the last few months with a huge class balance pass just a week ago.
3) this is also inaccurate and exaggerated to the point of being a blatant lie. Some servers have a population imbalance, but they have worked to correct these with free transfers. Even the imbalanced servers don't approach 2-1. Mythic has released relative population numbers and players have pulled more detailed numbers of players per realm and even the number of 40s on for each realm. Even the unbalanced servers are pretty close in overall population. This is a fact, you can look in to it on the official forums for more info.
4) This game has quests just like any other game. They aren't any better or any worse. Fed-ex quests, collect X of Y. Pretty standard MMO stuff. There are plenty of quests to get you leveled all the way to 40 if PvE is your thing. There are quests in all three realms so you can move around if you get bored. There are public quests and dungeons... I really don't have any idea how anyone could complain about the PvE game.. unless they just don't like PvE at all. Name one MMO that does PvE better and explain why. I have played them all and this PvE ranks right up there with LOTRO IMO.
%) Servers have all been merged, eliminating 20 unnecessary servers and making sure everyone gets the chance to play on a med - high pop server. This empty argument hasn't been accurate for months.
The game has free trials, anyone with the desire can check out these things for themselves. I'm a little surprised what a blatant troll you have become... I used to see you are pretty fair and level headed... but maybe I wasn't looking close enough all along... because here you are posting ignorant lies about a game you don't even play to try and dissuade people who enjoyed the trial from buying the game. Hopefully the other posters here recognize it for what it is.
I'm on the third day of my trial, it's a nice time-killer with good graphics (if you force AA and AF), appealing art style and interesting enough quests, might even buy it later on. But now AoC is cheaper and i've been eager to check it out for some time.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
The game has free trials, anyone with the desire can check out these things for themselves. I'm a little surprised what a blatant troll you have become... I used to see you are pretty fair and level headed... but maybe I wasn't looking close enough all along... because here you are posting ignorant lies about a game you don't even play to try and dissuade people who enjoyed the trial from buying the game. Hopefully the other posters here recognize it for what it is.
Please Salvatoris.
I am only relating my experience with the game. And perhaps I am bit harsh, and Mythic should be given second chance.
But when i played the game , all I stated was a hard fact. And dont take my word for it. Warhammer seen large subscriber bleed. And it happened for a reason.
Lets call this a fair warning from ol' over reacting angry gamer
Please Salvatoris. I am only relating my experience with the game. And perhaps I am bit harsh, and Mythic should be given second chance. But when i played the game , all I stated was a hard fact. And dont take my word for it. Warhammer seen large subscriber bleed. And it happened for a reason. Lets call this a fair warning from ol' over reacting angry gamer
What you posted was a bunch of nonsense. It reminded me of the WoW fanbois bashing Warhammer on the WoW forums when I was still playing that game. The fact that you do not mention any true issues makes me realize that you are just a hater.
RvR is active at all times in multiple zones within T2-4. Most fo the time, there is a battle.
Scenarios are fun and well done. That is how instanced battgrounds should be done.
PvE is good enough for players like me. The dungeons can certainly be better, like WoW, but it's not necessary. I like the straightforward quick content. PQs are a great & novel idea. The questing is simplified, thank god.
WAR offers options, quick & efficient options, unlike other MMOs. I can either focus on grinding quests & mobs, do PQ runs, mix in scenarios in there or focus on scenarios while flying to warcamps to collect scenario quests. Or I can go on a multi-hour Open RvR runs. The other day, my friend did 6 hours of RvR with two warbands. He had a blast.
I am having more fun as I progress from level 29 into 30 than I did before. I barely even did dungeons, too much going on.
Good to see somebody can try the trial, i cant even choose the server... what kind of shit is that, trial accounts only being allowed touse special servers, what if i want to try the game because a friend is playing, am i supposed to start over again after i upgrade my account.
And i cant even choose the trial servers because even though they are white, it keeps telling me i cant play the server unless i upgrade my account, seems like a waste of my effort.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Good to see somebody can try the trial, i cant even choose the server... what kind of shit is that, trial accounts only being allowed touse special servers, what if i want to try the game because a friend is playing, am i supposed to start over again after i upgrade my account.
And i cant even choose the trial servers because even though they are white, it keeps telling me i cant play the server unless i upgrade my account, seems like a waste of my effort.
If you subscribe when your trial is over you will be allowed a free transfer. All characters 11 and under can transfer servers once a day.
Good to see somebody can try the trial, i cant even choose the server... what kind of shit is that, trial accounts only being allowed touse special servers, what if i want to try the game because a friend is playing, am i supposed to start over again after i upgrade my account.
And i cant even choose the trial servers because even though they are white, it keeps telling me i cant play the server unless i upgrade my account, seems like a waste of my effort.
If you subscribe when your trial is over you will be allowed a free transfer. All characters 11 and under can transfer servers once a day.
So, if i get lucky enough to actually be able to join these speciall servers i can transfer later... well i guess i have 9 more days to continue hammering the 2 servers in an effort to log in....
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Originally posted by Salvatoris I generally respect your opinion and find at least a little value to your post.. but you are blindly trolling WAR at this point.. and FYI, a lot of what you are saying is wholly inaccurate at this point. You are describing the game at launch, and if you want to continue to trash the game, you should try to at least get an idea of how the game is now. 1) People are NOT playing scenarios the way they did at launch. That only lasted a few months. ANYONE who has played the game in the last 3 months know that this IS a game with heavy open world RvR. I never do scenarios and I spend hours a day in open world RvR. 2) this is no longer accurate. There were a few overpowered classes. Witch Elf being the worst.. but this has been adjusted over the last few months with a huge class balance pass just a week ago. 3) this is also inaccurate and exaggerated to the point of being a blatant lie. Some servers have a population imbalance, but they have worked to correct these with free transfers. Even the imbalanced servers don't approach 2-1. Mythic has released relative population numbers and players have pulled more detailed numbers of players per realm and even the number of 40s on for each realm. Even the unbalanced servers are pretty close in overall population. This is a fact, you can look in to it on the official forums for more info. 4) This game has quests just like any other game. They aren't any better or any worse. Fed-ex quests, collect X of Y. Pretty standard MMO stuff. There are plenty of quests to get you leveled all the way to 40 if PvE is your thing. There are quests in all three realms so you can move around if you get bored. There are public quests and dungeons... I really don't have any idea how anyone could complain about the PvE game.. unless they just don't like PvE at all. Name one MMO that does PvE better and explain why. I have played them all and this PvE ranks right up there with LOTRO IMO. %) Servers have all been merged, eliminating 20 unnecessary servers and making sure everyone gets the chance to play on a med - high pop server. This empty argument hasn't been accurate for months. The game has free trials, anyone with the desire can check out these things for themselves. I'm a little surprised what a blatant troll you have become... I used to see you are pretty fair and level headed... but maybe I wasn't looking close enough all along... because here you are posting ignorant lies about a game you don't even play to try and dissuade people who enjoyed the trial from buying the game. Hopefully the other posters here recognize it for what it is.
I agree that the pvp in the game has picked up. There is usually something going on in the open rvr areas AND there is still plenty of activity in scenarios.
However the pve in the game is very bland. Instead of directly comparing it to another games pve I will try to illustrate it this way.
If you removed the RvR features of the game, would the pve be enough to pay a subscription for? Would people actually buy this game for the pve content? I am going to wager that the overwhelming majority that still play would not and a large portion of those who left did so for the pve reasons (since the pvp at the time had serious issues).
In other games I have played there are fond memmories of certain quest chains or events that I can recall enjoying. In warhammer all the pve is just terribly bland and feels like rushed filler content. All games have their share of boring kill X quests, but usually there is a good amount of quests that have really good stories, interesting mechanics or something that makes them stand out.
I agree that the pvp in the game has picked up. There is usually something going on in the open rvr areas AND there is still plenty of activity in scenarios.
However the pve in the game is very bland. Instead of directly comparing it to another games pve I will try to illustrate it this way. If you removed the RvR features of the game, would the pve be enough to pay a subscription for? Would people actually buy this game for the pve content? I am going to wager that the overwhelming majority that still play would not and a large portion of those who left did so for the pve reasons (since the pvp at the time had serious issues). In other games I have played there are fond memmories of certain quest chains or events that I can recall enjoying. In warhammer all the pve is just terribly bland and feels like rushed filler content. All games have their share of boring kill X quests, but usually there is a good amount of quests that have really good stories, interesting mechanics or something that makes them stand out.
I'm not trying to say that the PvE in this game isn't boring... but I think PvE is boring in every game. You mentioned taking RvR away from this game, I think you would be left with something almost identical to LOTRO, and plenty of people find that game's PvE to be ample... the kind of people who enjoy PvE do anyway.
Every quest in the game does have a story to go along with it, if you bother to read it. I really think they do just as good as any other MMO out there at trying to add variety and spice to the PvE game. The problem is that PvE in general is a boring, tedious, masturbatory act. It's difficult not to be successful in PvE and every game gets boring fighting against the AI.
Of all the MMOs I've played, I can't think of a single one with any more compelling quests than WAR. I haven't ever played WoW, but I have played just about ever other major Western MMO. Where are these cool quests that I am missing out on. What is there really besides fed-ex, escort, collector and kill quests?
I agree that the pvp in the game has picked up. There is usually something going on in the open rvr areas AND there is still plenty of activity in scenarios.
However the pve in the game is very bland. Instead of directly comparing it to another games pve I will try to illustrate it this way. If you removed the RvR features of the game, would the pve be enough to pay a subscription for? Would people actually buy this game for the pve content? I am going to wager that the overwhelming majority that still play would not and a large portion of those who left did so for the pve reasons (since the pvp at the time had serious issues). In other games I have played there are fond memmories of certain quest chains or events that I can recall enjoying. In warhammer all the pve is just terribly bland and feels like rushed filler content. All games have their share of boring kill X quests, but usually there is a good amount of quests that have really good stories, interesting mechanics or something that makes them stand out.
I'm not trying to say that the PvE in this game isn't boring... but I think PvE is boring in every game. You mentioned taking RvR away from this game, I think you would be left with something almost identical to LOTRO, and plenty of people find that game's PvE to be ample... the kind of people who enjoy PvE do anyway.
Every quest in the game does have a story to go along with it, if you bother to read it. I really think they do just as good as any other MMO out there at trying to add variety and spice to the PvE game. The problem is that PvE in general is a boring, tedious, masturbatory act. It's difficult not to be successful in PvE and every game gets boring fighting against the AI.
Of all the MMOs I've played, I can't think of a single one with any more compelling quests than WAR. I haven't ever played WoW, but I have played just about ever other major Western MMO. Where are these cool quests that I am missing out on. What is there really besides fed-ex, escort, collector and kill quests?
VG has some great quests but it does also have collection quests like every other mmorpg.
Been playing a bright wizard, and now i'm trying the ironbreaker and i'm noticing a complete lack of blood. Wasn't this the game with mr Barnett's previews screaming at the camera how fucking brutal and cool everything looks, and that stuff continues to be sent in every newsletter i've been getting for half a year now and has built up a slightly different picture of things. Just a little something from the latest newsletter:
“Warhammer is such a brutal, no-holds-barred, dark and bleak world where everyone/everything wants to take your lunch, eat it in front of you, and then kill you. For a game that has such a huge focus on Realm vs. Realm combat, you couldn’t ask for a better backdrop.”
And you can't put a single pixelated drop of blood? Even WoW has some blood and body parts for baby Jesus' sake.
Breaking my balls, EA. Breaking my balls.
"The hammer of the gods will drive our ships to new lands, To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming! On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Originally posted by Salvatoris I'm not trying to say that the PvE in this game isn't boring... but I think PvE is boring in every game. You mentioned taking RvR away from this game, I think you would be left with something almost identical to LOTRO, and plenty of people find that game's PvE to be ample... the kind of people who enjoy PvE do anyway. Every quest in the game does have a story to go along with it, if you bother to read it. I really think they do just as good as any other MMO out there at trying to add variety and spice to the PvE game. The problem is that PvE in general is a boring, tedious, masturbatory act. It's difficult not to be successful in PvE and every game gets boring fighting against the AI. Of all the MMOs I've played, I can't think of a single one with any more compelling quests than WAR. I haven't ever played WoW, but I have played just about ever other major Western MMO. Where are these cool quests that I am missing out on. What is there really besides fed-ex, escort, collector and kill quests?
People find the pve in lotro ample, because the majority of that games effort was put into the quests and stories. They are just more engaging and the feel of the world is much more lush from a pve perspective. Maybe it changes later, but that was my initial experience.
If you haven't played wow, especially lich king, you would understand just how inaccurate your statement about the pve quality being equal in all games. We are not talking about difficulty, but the actual quality of the project. There are some quests where you have to ride a horse across a zone and fend off chasing attackers, fly dragons and burn down villages/monters, ride on giants shoulders, fly planes and so many other aspects. You might be on a mission to save a town from something only to find out they are tricking you and suddenly turn into something really nasty or do something that foreever changes the world (phased) such as burn down a town. There are many people that play wow and lotro exclusively for the pve content. I doubt there are many at all that play warhammer for the pve content or would continue if the rvr was gone.
True that the basic building blocks of just about any quest is kill x, find x, delivery x, but that same basic principle can be applied to pvp: defend x, kill x, conquer x. Yet you can see how some games do pvp well and some games offer pvp as an afterthought to their pve focus.
Even the way it is presented diminishes the emersion. Every aspect of the quest is spelled right out in the minimap thus eliminating any sense of exploration, discovery and many times the need to actually read the quest. The quests are presented broken up. The objectives are seperated from the story and presented in a strong contrasting font that dominates the quest page, while the story is shown in some washed out color almost focusing attention to the mechanics of the quest instead of the story. You can tell the design emphasis was placed on giving players information to complete the quest first and formost and the actual story hook of the quests are a distant second. Even the bigger hooks in the game don't really take place by character interaction, but instead just appear in some book that you can read later (both good and bad). It is very handy to be able to go back and read the story later, but simply waling into a building and you are granted some long history of the building without ever interacting with anything? It is rather hollow.
Overall I do agree with where you are coming from. Outside of some of the more complex raiding scripts, PvE hasn't really been any harder since way back in the EQ days. Quest grinding can get old very fast. However a well designed story or mechanics can keep things fresh and entertaining, but only if you get into the emersive nature of the game.
After giving the trail a go, I'm thinking of playing for a bit. I have pretty reasonable expectations of what I'll get out of the game after researching abit. The one thing that is perplexing is just how much the server you're on seems to effect the experience you have once you reach lvl40. Curious what server you've been playing on?
Being someone that pays for this game has made me realize how annoying trials can be. When rerolling a character now the tier 1 chat is similar to WoW's barrens chat back when I played (maybe WoW's barrens chat is still horrible). And then there's the inevitable questions where if the player had put even one ounce of effort into figuring it out, he would not have had to ask.
I'm all for bigger populations but now I hate the thought of making new characters.
The game has free trials, anyone with the desire can check out these things for themselves. I'm a little surprised what a blatant troll you have become... I used to see you are pretty fair and level headed... but maybe I wasn't looking close enough all along... because here you are posting ignorant lies about a game you don't even play to try and dissuade people who enjoyed the trial from buying the game. Hopefully the other posters here recognize it for what it is.
Please Salvatoris.
I am only relating my experience with the game. And perhaps I am bit harsh, and Mythic should be given second chance.
But when i played the game , all I stated was a hard fact. And dont take my word for it. Warhammer seen large subscriber bleed. And it happened for a reason.
Lets call this a fair warning from ol' over reacting angry gamer
since the zone domination system has been implemented the days of empty orvr zones are long gone...so if you wanna badmouth the game you can use that anymore.
Im a little confused at the linear gameplay line. 3 factions for each side with 2 - 4 zones each packed to the brim with quest, PQs, dungeons, and PvP zones. Plus a huge assortment of scenerio matches in each tier. The game is not really that linear if you actually do more than 1 thing. People start leveling up and they focus hardcore on 1 thing. Like hardcore questing, or hardcore PvP, and they rip their hair out from the repetition. Well, guess what, if you kinda sample everything the game has to offer (even half the stuff), you won't be as bored as fast.
Also WAR is best played in small time frames of 2 - 3 hours a day. If you log in and there's nothing much going on, just log out and play a different game. If you log in the next day and some action is going on, you'll easily be entertained for hours. Like Guild Wars and City of Heros, I don't try to make this game my home. The game is good at what it does, which is PvP. It is not like WoW, Eve, or DAOC where you can easily spend a full day doing stuff. Maybe after an expansion or 2 you can. The reason you can only play this game for a short time per a day is beacuse this game does not bullshit. It is straight to the point in its gameplay, quest and rewards. No ridiculous farming task. No dungeons that require you to allot 3 hours of your day. No waiting around for 30+ minutes for a 1 minute PvP battle (DAOC).
The games thrill dies out a bit by Tier 4. This is due to te lack of rushed endgame content. The seiging of capital cities is not as eplosive as advertised. It's just a big public quest chain just like the dungeons. Each patch Mythic brings out renews my interest in T4 and makes endgame more and more meaningful.
Someone before made the kind of the question that "if they took pvp out, the pve part would be worth the sub value?"
As a paying warhammer player i have to say, no, it wouldn't. PVE in war..well, i'm not going to say it is bad but it really is years behind vanilla wow and light years behind Wow-WOTLK. And with the PVE mention I am not only refering to the end game. Apart some "epic" chained quests for each tier - that are not even that great tbh- pve progression is pretty blend .
There is a real lack of imersion in the pve aspect. both in "the open world" and in instances. the only expceptions are altdorf and inevitable city, but apart that ... for example BB or BBE (r40 instances) don't transmit any special feeling like.... let's say advancing over stratholme in wow (pre tbc) or even this "new" wotlk viking inspired instances in the fjord area. Maybe it is because I am formed in History that I end up paying attention to some details (that most other people wouldn't) and that really boosts the experience of playing- the colors, the envinronment, the textures (in the real sense of textures not like in the computer sense of graphic format) . Well shouldn't be a surprise since blizzard as some history graduates on the pay roll to point the designers in the right direction.
the lack of a true narrative also hurts. again wow beats warhammer with things like the fordring questline (for vanilla wow) or the new WOTLK stratholme .
on his side warhammer has the concept of Public quests. it is ok - while leveling- but for me, that have been rr40 for some months, apart the city siege public quests or special live events (both for loot) they become pretty much irrelevant.
Without the pvp... wait , without the rvr aspect of pvp- since the pvp per se isn't better than lets say wow, what spices it up is he rvr element -. warhammer is pretty average as a mmorpg. and lacks the staying power of warcraft. It can be fun early on, but it becomes really stale as you progress.
so the botton line is, this is a game with lasting appeal only for those that really like the pvp aspect.
For the rest is more of journey to reach rank 40, see how things are, and sub in some other game. What is ok to be honest , this is a pvp centric game and most of us, customers that have been supporting the game, would rather preffer that the devs pass their time sorting out the problems related to pvp and orvr than adding pve experiences.
There are other games in the market. Some either offering a good mix of pvp- in fact despite of what the masses of naysayers claim, some pretty decent pvp that suffers from being instanced and orgnaized to small scale skirmish- and well made pve experience that tries to appeal to as many as possible like WOW ; or really superb pve with a touch of literaly narrative, like LOTRO. Some fail in both aspects (AOC), while others manage to stand on their feet proudly by pushing the political and economical aspects beyond the player itself like EVE.
Warhammer was made to try to offer a good experience in open, massive pvp, without degenerating in pure antisocial ganking and griefing like darkfall. That is it. And in that setting it is pretty decent. whoever saw on it somethign more, just made his own grand ilusion or did not researched well enough.
Comments
This is very true.
Again. Let me not be too harsh.
WAR is lot of fun for a month, maybe even two...but thats it. And actually Mythic is all to blame here because they did have fundamentals for great game.
And PVP in WAR is great. And than again its also disappointing when you see some huge class imbalances , and realise some classes are just trash ( god forbid you actually invested time leveling them)
In my oppinion WAR can still be good game - if they remove all battlegrounds (which are fun , but they hurt the game in more ways than you can imagine) - and bring game much closer to DAOC
I just say again - 10 lvl trial is not enough to get real picture of what WAR is, and why so many abandoned it
My 2nd day:
I tried some public quests yesterday. It was quite easy most of the time to find a group. We were rushing from one quest to another, got some shiny stuff too.
I was again surprised how smooth and easy it was.
To clarify, I am not interested in PvE content in any way. To me, the purpose of any MMO is to play with or against other human beings and this part is well done in WAR. I can't speak for other games since EVE is the only game I was playing intensively enough.
I think the reason why people put the game, and any others, down is because of their expectations and comparisons to other games. You can like some feature and mechanics of other game but it does not mean they should be implemented in other game.Every game is different, and to some extent unique, and should be evaluated as that.
I don't take WAR seriously as some deep complex experience. WAR is definately fun, if you allow yourself to enjoy it.
Note: As for open PvP, I was participating in 50 men battle yesterday, taking place in open PvP space(no instance).
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
-I'm rank 32 and I'm actually considering an alt something I wasn't planning to do - So I think it's up to the person again
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handfull of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
-a) You're wrong. The game IS open world - It's as open world as WoW if you want that comparison. Unless you're calling WoW "instanced". Therefore it is open world and PvP in oRvR is quite open world too - Warbands flying from one place to another to attack/defend. How is that instanced? Get a clue.
-b) A handful of BGs per tier is better than a 4 BGs for the whole game (look at WoW - certainly an improvement over that right?)
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
- Name total junk classes or gtfo - No valid points made here so...
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
- Your server - Plus what do you want ? Force people to leave the server ?
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
- Still generic points made and it's just your opinion. I had as much fun in Gunbad as any WoW dungeon for example. It's up to the player
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
- Not empty, was doing oRVR up to 6am on a WEDNESDAY last week. Talking about 2 warbands vs 2 warbands in T3
There you go.
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
- Yet another one touched in their dirty spot by Mythic somehow ? Enjoy your crusade
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
-I'm rank 32 and I'm actually considering an alt something I wasn't planning to do - So I think it's up to the person again
Surely some people are more resistant to boredom, tedium and repetition.
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handfull of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
-a) You're wrong. The game IS open world - It's as open world as WoW if you want that comparison. Unless you're calling WoW "instanced". Therefore it is open world and PvP in oRvR is quite open world too - Warbands flying from one place to another to attack/defend. How is that instanced? Get a clue.
I didnt say game has no open world PVP zones. Are you allright ?
I said that scenarios ruined open world PVP.
World PVP in WAR is this: Lone destruction player checks if tier PVP zone is empty. Than they form group and take all objectives when no one is around to oppose them. It is done usually in none peek hours.
In peek hours world PVP is ghost town
-b) A handful of BGs per tier is better than a 4 BGs for the whole game (look at WoW - certainly an improvement over that right?)
So WAR touted to be the ultimate PVP game, has slightly better PVP than WOW...
Well hurah! What a acomplishment!
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
- Name total junk classes or gtfo - No valid points made here so...
Total crap : Squig Herder , Engineer, Magus , Shadow Warrior
Less good than similar classes that you can choose : Blade Master , Witch Hunter
Total OMG i OWN everyone and nobody can touch me I WIN BUTTON ! : Bright Wizard , Witch Elf
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
- Your server - Plus what do you want ? Force people to leave the server ?
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
- Still generic points made and it's just your opinion. I had as much fun in Gunbad as any WoW dungeon for example. It's up to the player
Again - If better than WOW is any acomplishment, i rest my case
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
- Not empty, was doing oRVR up to 6am on a WEDNESDAY last week. Talking about 2 warbands vs 2 warbands in T3
Tell me when you last time grouped in Public quest ?
There you go.
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
- Yet another one touched in their dirty spot by Mythic somehow ? Enjoy your crusade
Post here next month when you cancel out of boredom - if you stand by your word
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
-I'm rank 32 and I'm actually considering an alt something I wasn't planning to do - So I think it's up to the person again
Surely some people are more resistant to boredom, tedium and repetition.
Which is still subjective on what one finds boring/tedius or repetitive am i right? Therefore it's just opinions ---> Worth squat.
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handfull of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
-a) You're wrong. The game IS open world - It's as open world as WoW if you want that comparison. Unless you're calling WoW "instanced". Therefore it is open world and PvP in oRvR is quite open world too - Warbands flying from one place to another to attack/defend. How is that instanced? Get a clue.
I didnt say game has no open world PVP zones. Are you allright ?
I said that scenarios ruined open world PVP.
Up to what rank you played again? I don't see scenarios ruining open world PvP. It does offer PvP in scenarios AND outdoor open world. Therefore your argument is moot. Still subjective to what you believe/experienced.
World PVP in WAR is this: Lone destruction player checks if tier PVP zone is empty. Than they form group and take all objectives when no one is around to oppose them. It is done usually in none peek hours.
In peek hours world PVP is ghost town
Cause you can back this up since you're still an active subscriber and player?
When this is done it may be cheap but you're saying destro as if they're lesser men or something. It's their way of doing things we can also do it, it's legal and within game limits isnt it ? Anyhow, peak hours world pvp is ghost town ? I login on peak times FOR THE ORVR ALONE - so personally I don't know what you're talking about... My experience differs (same for the rest in my server I suppose...and in guild since we constantly form WBs and invite randoms for the oRvR).
-b) A handful of BGs per tier is better than a 4 BGs for the whole game (look at WoW - certainly an improvement over that right?)
So WAR touted to be the ultimate PVP game, has slightly better PVP than WOW...
Well hurah! What a acomplishment!
It still offers more and you're comparing a game released 6 months ago with a colossus that's been strong for like what ? 4-5 years? Could have been more and better but it's still fine as it is really.
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
- Name total junk classes or gtfo - No valid points made here so...
Total crap : Squig Herder , Engineer, Magus , Shadow Warrior
Less good than similar classes that you can choose : Blade Master , Witch Hunter
Total OMG i OWN everyone and nobody can touch me I WIN BUTTON ! : Bright Wizard , Witch Elf
Sguig Herder/Engineer are fine imho - If the player KNOWS how to play he can top up the DPS *and* be useful. Magus/Shadow Warrior I haven't had any experience with.
Witch hunters are a decent class but is kind of hard to play properly. Blade Master ? lol - You *really* played this game a lot haven't you ? It's SWORD master and they've been buffed. If you had played the game recently you'd see BW is not as OP as it was in the launch neither is Witch Elf...So are you the usual troll that bashes a game based on what it was months ago and not how it is now? So basically you're clueless yet have a strong opinion...Mhm...
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
- Your server - Plus what do you want ? Force people to leave the server ?
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
- Still generic points made and it's just your opinion. I had as much fun in Gunbad as any WoW dungeon for example. It's up to the player
Again - If better than WOW is any acomplishment, i rest my case
Judging by the game I played the most and is the best seller at the moment...
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
- Not empty, was doing oRVR up to 6am on a WEDNESDAY last week. Talking about 2 warbands vs 2 warbands in T3
Tell me when you last time grouped in Public quest ?
Past 4 nights actually... Been doing T3 and T4... And I've done High Pass in one go and some T4 PQs yesterday...
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
- Yet another one touched in their dirty spot by Mythic somehow ? Enjoy your crusade
Post here next month when you cancel out of boredom - if you stand by your word
I'm on my...4th month of WAR - so you're certain I'll be bored? What do I win if I prove you wrong then ? lol
To mention this game in the same sentence as AoC, shows how little you know about gaming.
Everyone knows War needs work and polish. Funcom just plain lied and deceived regarding shortcomings, whereas Mythic are constantly making an effort to meet the players halfway.
Saying the games are remotely similar is a sick joke. I am one of War's biggest critics, yet I see potential here, unlike any at all in AoC.
Agreed comparing AOC and WAR is impossible. They are fundamentally different games.
But AOC managed to grab great reviews and fair number of sales by a little trick : Its first 20 levels were awesome. Which was enough to trick people into buying the game.
WAR learned from them. And starting material in WAR is highly polished and fun.
It is very good game until level 10. By the time you reach level 20-30 you will be regretting you bought the game.
Here are some of the reasons:
1. WAR is not open world PVP game because EVERYONE just plays instanced battlegrounds. ( its like paying subscription to play Guild Wars arenas, or Counter strike, or Savage 2) To make things worse there are only handful of BGs for each tear. And you will play them thousand times over - which is good if you love REPETITION
2. You have couple of UBER classes. And than you have some that are total junk. Also its obvious developers invested way more thought and love into Destruction side. And it shows ->
3. Realm is unballanced. When i played it was 10:1 destruction vs order
4. PVE is horrible. Its so boring and bland and unimaginative, it hurts me just to think about it.
5. When i played two months ago - the game was EMPTY. There was days i didnt see one single player - except in Battleground scenarios ( and i allready commented those )
There you go.
Enjoy being suckered into buying the game
I generally respect your opinion and find at least a little value to your post.. but you are blindly trolling WAR at this point.. and FYI, a lot of what you are saying is wholly inaccurate at this point. You are describing the game at launch, and if you want to continue to trash the game, you should try to at least get an idea of how the game is now.
1) People are NOT playing scenarios the way they did at launch. That only lasted a few months. ANYONE who has played the game in the last 3 months know that this IS a game with heavy open world RvR. I never do scenarios and I spend hours a day in open world RvR.
2) this is no longer accurate. There were a few overpowered classes. Witch Elf being the worst.. but this has been adjusted over the last few months with a huge class balance pass just a week ago.
3) this is also inaccurate and exaggerated to the point of being a blatant lie. Some servers have a population imbalance, but they have worked to correct these with free transfers. Even the imbalanced servers don't approach 2-1. Mythic has released relative population numbers and players have pulled more detailed numbers of players per realm and even the number of 40s on for each realm. Even the unbalanced servers are pretty close in overall population. This is a fact, you can look in to it on the official forums for more info.
4) This game has quests just like any other game. They aren't any better or any worse. Fed-ex quests, collect X of Y. Pretty standard MMO stuff. There are plenty of quests to get you leveled all the way to 40 if PvE is your thing. There are quests in all three realms so you can move around if you get bored. There are public quests and dungeons... I really don't have any idea how anyone could complain about the PvE game.. unless they just don't like PvE at all. Name one MMO that does PvE better and explain why. I have played them all and this PvE ranks right up there with LOTRO IMO.
%) Servers have all been merged, eliminating 20 unnecessary servers and making sure everyone gets the chance to play on a med - high pop server. This empty argument hasn't been accurate for months.
The game has free trials, anyone with the desire can check out these things for themselves. I'm a little surprised what a blatant troll you have become... I used to see you are pretty fair and level headed... but maybe I wasn't looking close enough all along... because here you are posting ignorant lies about a game you don't even play to try and dissuade people who enjoyed the trial from buying the game. Hopefully the other posters here recognize it for what it is.
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
I'm on the third day of my trial, it's a nice time-killer with good graphics (if you force AA and AF), appealing art style and interesting enough quests, might even buy it later on. But now AoC is cheaper and i've been eager to check it out for some time.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
Please Salvatoris.
I am only relating my experience with the game. And perhaps I am bit harsh, and Mythic should be given second chance.
But when i played the game , all I stated was a hard fact. And dont take my word for it. Warhammer seen large subscriber bleed. And it happened for a reason.
Lets call this a fair warning from ol' over reacting angry gamer
What you posted was a bunch of nonsense. It reminded me of the WoW fanbois bashing Warhammer on the WoW forums when I was still playing that game. The fact that you do not mention any true issues makes me realize that you are just a hater.
RvR is active at all times in multiple zones within T2-4. Most fo the time, there is a battle.
Scenarios are fun and well done. That is how instanced battgrounds should be done.
PvE is good enough for players like me. The dungeons can certainly be better, like WoW, but it's not necessary. I like the straightforward quick content. PQs are a great & novel idea. The questing is simplified, thank god.
WAR offers options, quick & efficient options, unlike other MMOs. I can either focus on grinding quests & mobs, do PQ runs, mix in scenarios in there or focus on scenarios while flying to warcamps to collect scenario quests. Or I can go on a multi-hour Open RvR runs. The other day, my friend did 6 hours of RvR with two warbands. He had a blast.
I am having more fun as I progress from level 29 into 30 than I did before. I barely even did dungeons, too much going on.
Playing: EvE, Warhammer free unlimited trial, Allods Online
Played: Anarchy Online, WoW, Warhammer, AoC, Ryzom. Aion
Strongly Recommend: Ryzom, EvE, Allods Online
Good to see somebody can try the trial, i cant even choose the server... what kind of shit is that, trial accounts only being allowed touse special servers, what if i want to try the game because a friend is playing, am i supposed to start over again after i upgrade my account.
And i cant even choose the trial servers because even though they are white, it keeps telling me i cant play the server unless i upgrade my account, seems like a waste of my effort.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
If you subscribe when your trial is over you will be allowed a free transfer. All characters 11 and under can transfer servers once a day.
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
If you subscribe when your trial is over you will be allowed a free transfer. All characters 11 and under can transfer servers once a day.
So, if i get lucky enough to actually be able to join these speciall servers i can transfer later... well i guess i have 9 more days to continue hammering the 2 servers in an effort to log in....
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
Life... is the shit that happens while you wait for moments that never come - Lester Freeman
Lie to no one. If there 's somebody close to you, you'll ruin it with a lie. If they're a stranger, who the fuck are they you gotta lie to them? - Willy Nelson
Why is it that you can't log in?
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
I agree that the pvp in the game has picked up. There is usually something going on in the open rvr areas AND there is still plenty of activity in scenarios.
However the pve in the game is very bland. Instead of directly comparing it to another games pve I will try to illustrate it this way.
If you removed the RvR features of the game, would the pve be enough to pay a subscription for? Would people actually buy this game for the pve content? I am going to wager that the overwhelming majority that still play would not and a large portion of those who left did so for the pve reasons (since the pvp at the time had serious issues).
In other games I have played there are fond memmories of certain quest chains or events that I can recall enjoying. In warhammer all the pve is just terribly bland and feels like rushed filler content. All games have their share of boring kill X quests, but usually there is a good amount of quests that have really good stories, interesting mechanics or something that makes them stand out.
Anyone got a link to this free trail? i am in europe so do they have a free trail for europeans or is it just NA?
Jah Rasta For I.
The Wicked Shall Fall..
http://www.ethnic2020.com/images/Ebay/black-jesus.jpg
I'm not trying to say that the PvE in this game isn't boring... but I think PvE is boring in every game. You mentioned taking RvR away from this game, I think you would be left with something almost identical to LOTRO, and plenty of people find that game's PvE to be ample... the kind of people who enjoy PvE do anyway.
Every quest in the game does have a story to go along with it, if you bother to read it. I really think they do just as good as any other MMO out there at trying to add variety and spice to the PvE game. The problem is that PvE in general is a boring, tedious, masturbatory act. It's difficult not to be successful in PvE and every game gets boring fighting against the AI.
Of all the MMOs I've played, I can't think of a single one with any more compelling quests than WAR. I haven't ever played WoW, but I have played just about ever other major Western MMO. Where are these cool quests that I am missing out on. What is there really besides fed-ex, escort, collector and kill quests?
-----Zero Punctuation Eve Online Review-----
I'm not trying to say that the PvE in this game isn't boring... but I think PvE is boring in every game. You mentioned taking RvR away from this game, I think you would be left with something almost identical to LOTRO, and plenty of people find that game's PvE to be ample... the kind of people who enjoy PvE do anyway.
Every quest in the game does have a story to go along with it, if you bother to read it. I really think they do just as good as any other MMO out there at trying to add variety and spice to the PvE game. The problem is that PvE in general is a boring, tedious, masturbatory act. It's difficult not to be successful in PvE and every game gets boring fighting against the AI.
Of all the MMOs I've played, I can't think of a single one with any more compelling quests than WAR. I haven't ever played WoW, but I have played just about ever other major Western MMO. Where are these cool quests that I am missing out on. What is there really besides fed-ex, escort, collector and kill quests?
VG has some great quests but it does also have collection quests like every other mmorpg.
Jah Rasta For I.
The Wicked Shall Fall..
http://www.ethnic2020.com/images/Ebay/black-jesus.jpg
www.war-europe.com
Been playing a bright wizard, and now i'm trying the ironbreaker and i'm noticing a complete lack of blood. Wasn't this the game with mr Barnett's previews screaming at the camera how fucking brutal and cool everything looks, and that stuff continues to be sent in every newsletter i've been getting for half a year now and has built up a slightly different picture of things. Just a little something from the latest newsletter:
“Warhammer is such a brutal, no-holds-barred, dark and bleak world where everyone/everything wants to take your lunch, eat it in front of you, and then kill you. For a game that has such a huge focus on Realm vs. Realm combat, you couldn’t ask for a better backdrop.”
And you can't put a single pixelated drop of blood? Even WoW has some blood and body parts for baby Jesus' sake.
Breaking my balls, EA. Breaking my balls.
To fight the horde, singing and crying: Valhalla, I am coming!
On we sweep with threshing oar, our only goal will be the western shore."
People find the pve in lotro ample, because the majority of that games effort was put into the quests and stories. They are just more engaging and the feel of the world is much more lush from a pve perspective. Maybe it changes later, but that was my initial experience.
If you haven't played wow, especially lich king, you would understand just how inaccurate your statement about the pve quality being equal in all games. We are not talking about difficulty, but the actual quality of the project. There are some quests where you have to ride a horse across a zone and fend off chasing attackers, fly dragons and burn down villages/monters, ride on giants shoulders, fly planes and so many other aspects. You might be on a mission to save a town from something only to find out they are tricking you and suddenly turn into something really nasty or do something that foreever changes the world (phased) such as burn down a town. There are many people that play wow and lotro exclusively for the pve content. I doubt there are many at all that play warhammer for the pve content or would continue if the rvr was gone.
True that the basic building blocks of just about any quest is kill x, find x, delivery x, but that same basic principle can be applied to pvp: defend x, kill x, conquer x. Yet you can see how some games do pvp well and some games offer pvp as an afterthought to their pve focus.
Even the way it is presented diminishes the emersion. Every aspect of the quest is spelled right out in the minimap thus eliminating any sense of exploration, discovery and many times the need to actually read the quest. The quests are presented broken up. The objectives are seperated from the story and presented in a strong contrasting font that dominates the quest page, while the story is shown in some washed out color almost focusing attention to the mechanics of the quest instead of the story. You can tell the design emphasis was placed on giving players information to complete the quest first and formost and the actual story hook of the quests are a distant second. Even the bigger hooks in the game don't really take place by character interaction, but instead just appear in some book that you can read later (both good and bad). It is very handy to be able to go back and read the story later, but simply waling into a building and you are granted some long history of the building without ever interacting with anything? It is rather hollow.
Overall I do agree with where you are coming from. Outside of some of the more complex raiding scripts, PvE hasn't really been any harder since way back in the EQ days. Quest grinding can get old very fast. However a well designed story or mechanics can keep things fresh and entertaining, but only if you get into the emersive nature of the game.
After giving the trail a go, I'm thinking of playing for a bit. I have pretty reasonable expectations of what I'll get out of the game after researching abit. The one thing that is perplexing is just how much the server you're on seems to effect the experience you have once you reach lvl40. Curious what server you've been playing on?
Being someone that pays for this game has made me realize how annoying trials can be. When rerolling a character now the tier 1 chat is similar to WoW's barrens chat back when I played (maybe WoW's barrens chat is still horrible). And then there's the inevitable questions where if the player had put even one ounce of effort into figuring it out, he would not have had to ask.
I'm all for bigger populations but now I hate the thought of making new characters.
Just a little rant I thought I'd throw in here.
Please Salvatoris.
I am only relating my experience with the game. And perhaps I am bit harsh, and Mythic should be given second chance.
But when i played the game , all I stated was a hard fact. And dont take my word for it. Warhammer seen large subscriber bleed. And it happened for a reason.
Lets call this a fair warning from ol' over reacting angry gamer
since the zone domination system has been implemented the days of empty orvr zones are long gone...so if you wanna badmouth the game you can use that anymore.
Im a little confused at the linear gameplay line. 3 factions for each side with 2 - 4 zones each packed to the brim with quest, PQs, dungeons, and PvP zones. Plus a huge assortment of scenerio matches in each tier. The game is not really that linear if you actually do more than 1 thing. People start leveling up and they focus hardcore on 1 thing. Like hardcore questing, or hardcore PvP, and they rip their hair out from the repetition. Well, guess what, if you kinda sample everything the game has to offer (even half the stuff), you won't be as bored as fast.
Also WAR is best played in small time frames of 2 - 3 hours a day. If you log in and there's nothing much going on, just log out and play a different game. If you log in the next day and some action is going on, you'll easily be entertained for hours. Like Guild Wars and City of Heros, I don't try to make this game my home. The game is good at what it does, which is PvP. It is not like WoW, Eve, or DAOC where you can easily spend a full day doing stuff. Maybe after an expansion or 2 you can. The reason you can only play this game for a short time per a day is beacuse this game does not bullshit. It is straight to the point in its gameplay, quest and rewards. No ridiculous farming task. No dungeons that require you to allot 3 hours of your day. No waiting around for 30+ minutes for a 1 minute PvP battle (DAOC).
The games thrill dies out a bit by Tier 4. This is due to te lack of rushed endgame content. The seiging of capital cities is not as eplosive as advertised. It's just a big public quest chain just like the dungeons. Each patch Mythic brings out renews my interest in T4 and makes endgame more and more meaningful.
Someone before made the kind of the question that "if they took pvp out, the pve part would be worth the sub value?"
As a paying warhammer player i have to say, no, it wouldn't. PVE in war..well, i'm not going to say it is bad but it really is years behind vanilla wow and light years behind Wow-WOTLK. And with the PVE mention I am not only refering to the end game. Apart some "epic" chained quests for each tier - that are not even that great tbh- pve progression is pretty blend .
There is a real lack of imersion in the pve aspect. both in "the open world" and in instances. the only expceptions are altdorf and inevitable city, but apart that ... for example BB or BBE (r40 instances) don't transmit any special feeling like.... let's say advancing over stratholme in wow (pre tbc) or even this "new" wotlk viking inspired instances in the fjord area. Maybe it is because I am formed in History that I end up paying attention to some details (that most other people wouldn't) and that really boosts the experience of playing- the colors, the envinronment, the textures (in the real sense of textures not like in the computer sense of graphic format) . Well shouldn't be a surprise since blizzard as some history graduates on the pay roll to point the designers in the right direction.
the lack of a true narrative also hurts. again wow beats warhammer with things like the fordring questline (for vanilla wow) or the new WOTLK stratholme .
on his side warhammer has the concept of Public quests. it is ok - while leveling- but for me, that have been rr40 for some months, apart the city siege public quests or special live events (both for loot) they become pretty much irrelevant.
Without the pvp... wait , without the rvr aspect of pvp- since the pvp per se isn't better than lets say wow, what spices it up is he rvr element -. warhammer is pretty average as a mmorpg. and lacks the staying power of warcraft. It can be fun early on, but it becomes really stale as you progress.
so the botton line is, this is a game with lasting appeal only for those that really like the pvp aspect.
For the rest is more of journey to reach rank 40, see how things are, and sub in some other game. What is ok to be honest , this is a pvp centric game and most of us, customers that have been supporting the game, would rather preffer that the devs pass their time sorting out the problems related to pvp and orvr than adding pve experiences.
There are other games in the market. Some either offering a good mix of pvp- in fact despite of what the masses of naysayers claim, some pretty decent pvp that suffers from being instanced and orgnaized to small scale skirmish- and well made pve experience that tries to appeal to as many as possible like WOW ; or really superb pve with a touch of literaly narrative, like LOTRO. Some fail in both aspects (AOC), while others manage to stand on their feet proudly by pushing the political and economical aspects beyond the player itself like EVE.
Warhammer was made to try to offer a good experience in open, massive pvp, without degenerating in pure antisocial ganking and griefing like darkfall. That is it. And in that setting it is pretty decent. whoever saw on it somethign more, just made his own grand ilusion or did not researched well enough.