You are making the assumption that all or even most of the military would follow the illegal order (at least here in the US) to go door to door confiscating guns.
Gun controls have nothing to do with people being defenseless. If history has shown anything, a society that wants to revolt, can and will by any means necessary (EX: French, Russian). Any society that needs weapons to feel safe from their government and folks around them, should evaluate the country and government they're in.
Should people be allowed to own a gun? Yes. But there should be a stringent processes to attain them as they are weapons. s. If you want a gun, I believe, you should at least go through the same things as getting a car. You need insurance, getting the license by attending classes or at least knowing the fundamentals of gun safety, and having to renew your license every so often. If this sounds like too much work to you, then you really shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
Anyway, back on topic. Is violence in video games making people shoot one another? Not at all. I've seen worse atrocities depicted on television through the news than any video game. A good example is 9/11. They played that horrible event over and over and over and over and people falling out of windows and over and debris falling on people over and over. I have yet to see a game come close to that. You can easily visit liveleak.com (formely ogrish.com) and see that media, and reality in general, has worse things to show people than a mere game does.
You seem to forget all of the civilians that were rounded up in the Gulags, many if not most were not a part of the military. I don't really get where you are going with the Red Army commentary, yeah a lot of them were killed, but they weren't disarmed. That is the point that was being made. Nice copy/paste though.
As for Germany, because they were Jewish it didn't matter that they were the ones disarmed? I guess because it was a select group, that made it different somehow? The same principle applies in my opinion. Disarm is the first step, how is that not obvious from what happened?
Not sure how a fight for supremacy, against communism and the Japanese as you put it, relates to disarming a populace as it does in the Germany comment above.
I think you are reaching, or maybe you just wiki'd the three periods in history. They don't tell you how to use the quotes do they?
Ok first off i admitted that it was taken from somebody else is calling me out on it is irrelevent.
If you want to accuse anyone of gun laws in Germany then blame Britain,US etc for the Treaty of Versaille. It was that which banned the guns. German Gun policy was relaxed from then on when they were allowed to do it by the Allies.
Whether the Jews owned guns or not would NEVER have stopped the holocaust from happening. A lot of Europe at the time turned a blind eye because of the agreement with the german policies on Jews. Same with the US. They Jews were systematically worn down through laws which gradually took away there freedoms. If they could have owned guns and risen up they would have been killed.
Also the Jews were only restricted from owning guns n 1938 when the jewish problem and the National Socialists had been in power since 1933. Gun control had NOTHING to do with anything.
I'm nt even going to start on China and Mao when he didn't even full get control of China until 1949 and the gun control laws came into place in 1935. Didn't stop the revolution.
Ok i admit the next bit of information is old (1994) but i believe still relevent
The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:
* U.S.A. 14.24 guns legal
* Brazil 12.95 guns legal
* Mexico 12.69 strict laws but no issues with possesion of handguns
*edit etc.
I'm pretty sure you can see the re-accuring theme here. But i must go to work now.
As usual, these numbers fail to take rather important facts into account.
A.) The black market for guns in the USA is one of THE strongest wordwide, and in fact rival sales through legitimate means. Attempting to make guns illegal will have litte to no effect on the ability of criminals to aquire guns.
B.) Even if we succeed in stopping the flow of weaponry, both legal and otherwise (an impossible task, don't get your hopes up), because firearms last pretty much forever with a minimum of care, there are already enough guns in the USA for each and every adult to be packing, with penty more to spare.
C.) Very few murders with guns are second degree, AKA in the heat of the moment. Most weapons in those cases are improvised, a chair leg, a knife, even a frozen mutton leg in one famous story. If the bastard has time to retrieve a gun from its hiding hole, retrieve the ammo, and load the thing, he's got time to think and wait till he can get a piece from the illegal dealer down the block.
In conclusion, there is no effective way to reduce the number of guns in criminal hands by any significant amount. You can make it very difficult for them to carry the things, but then again, we already do that. Therefore, the only significant benefit or goal one can look forward to by making guns illegal is the reduction in accidental death or injury from legitimately owned weapons, which is much more effectively combated by proper training in the use and storage of firearms.
If you wish to reduce the problems we have with firearms, your time will be much better spent focusing upon who acquires them and how. Frankly, I am appalled at how easy it is to obtain a license, not because I don't wish for people to have access, but because for all the bureau knows, I can't tell the difference between the safety trigger and the action, much less how to handle the thing and not shoot myself.
P.S. One statistic I like to pull out in response to this topic. If you own both a gun and a pool, the pool is over 100 times more likely to kill your child than the firearm is.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. Hemingway
It is estimated that 1 in 6, 1 in 8, are psychopaths? Source please.
Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly. According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however, there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact.
Although there are various different assumptions out there on how many psych0/sociopaths there are in our society. In Corporate business it is thought that there is a higher predominance of psycho/sociopaths due to the nature of the enviroment.
The dude who did the initial work which lead to the classification of Psychopaths does put it at a more reasonable 1 in 25 though.
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
It is estimated that 1 in 6, 1 in 8, are psychopaths? Source please.
Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly. According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however, there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact.
Although there are various different assumptions out there on how many psych0/sociopaths there are in our society. In Corporate business it is thought that there is a higher predominance of psycho/sociopaths due to the nature of the enviroment.
The dude who did the initial work which lead to the classification of Psychopaths does put it at a more reasonable 1 in 25 though.
Okay so all of this is mere conjecture on the part of some psychologists. Sounds like pseudoscience to me.
Either way, got thelink so I may evaluate the evidence myself?
I will say that the initial figure was something I first saw on a documentary quite a while (years ago here not months or weeks) a go now and it's name escapes me. It stuck with me though as it does seem like a high figure.
Things also change when you look into different areas of living, upbringing etc.
And isn't all psychology mere conjecture?
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath3.htm www.hare.org/links/saturday.html I will say that the initial figure was something I first saw on a documentary quite a while (years ago here not months or weeks) a go now and it's name escapes me. It stuck with me though as it does seem like a high figure. Things also change when you look into different areas of living, upbringing etc. And isn't all psychology mere conjecture?
Indeed it is all conjecture, and yes, it seems like a psychotically high figure. that being the case, why act as if it is true as part of an argument against gun ownership?
Indeed it is all conjecture, and yes, it seems like a psychotically high figure. that being the case, why act as if it is true as part of an argument against gun ownership?
Because surely people have to believe the occasional thing "experts" say?
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Pack off all the teenagers to a battle island somewhere. That should sort it out.
woot!!!! Real life Battle Royale !!!!!! Bagsy me as "Beat" Takeshi :D
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Finns have fourth most firearms in the world per capita (right after United States, Yemen, Switzerland) totalling 1.8 million registered privately owned firearms and 100,000–200,000 unregistered firearms. Gun related homicides are rare, comprising 14% of the total number of homicides, which is comparatively low.
They also do National Service which teaches proper respect for guns. Others on this site have dismissed out of hand National Service happening in the USA
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Finns have fourth most firearms in the world per capita (right after United States, Yemen, Switzerland) totalling 1.8 million registered privately owned firearms and 100,000–200,000 unregistered firearms. Gun related homicides are rare, comprising 14% of the total number of homicides, which is comparatively low.
That's because the Finns have outlawed ammunition......
Now that we have guns you cannot stop the creation of guns. Guns are a relatively easy weapon to manufacture, and can be done inside a person's garage or basement without people knowing. Even if you were to destroy all guns and close the gun creation industry. You would still have people making guns underground or on their own.
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You wouldn't think the police would have hospitalised all those peace loving students during the Vietnam War either.
But they did.
Gun controls have nothing to do with people being defenseless. If history has shown anything, a society that wants to revolt, can and will by any means necessary (EX: French, Russian). Any society that needs weapons to feel safe from their government and folks around them, should evaluate the country and government they're in.
Should people be allowed to own a gun? Yes. But there should be a stringent processes to attain them as they are weapons. s. If you want a gun, I believe, you should at least go through the same things as getting a car. You need insurance, getting the license by attending classes or at least knowing the fundamentals of gun safety, and having to renew your license every so often. If this sounds like too much work to you, then you really shouldn't be allowed to have a gun.
Anyway, back on topic. Is violence in video games making people shoot one another? Not at all. I've seen worse atrocities depicted on television through the news than any video game. A good example is 9/11. They played that horrible event over and over and over and over and people falling out of windows and over and debris falling on people over and over. I have yet to see a game come close to that. You can easily visit liveleak.com (formely ogrish.com) and see that media, and reality in general, has worse things to show people than a mere game does.
You seem to forget all of the civilians that were rounded up in the Gulags, many if not most were not a part of the military. I don't really get where you are going with the Red Army commentary, yeah a lot of them were killed, but they weren't disarmed. That is the point that was being made. Nice copy/paste though.
As for Germany, because they were Jewish it didn't matter that they were the ones disarmed? I guess because it was a select group, that made it different somehow? The same principle applies in my opinion. Disarm is the first step, how is that not obvious from what happened?
Not sure how a fight for supremacy, against communism and the Japanese as you put it, relates to disarming a populace as it does in the Germany comment above.
I think you are reaching, or maybe you just wiki'd the three periods in history. They don't tell you how to use the quotes do they?
Ok first off i admitted that it was taken from somebody else is calling me out on it is irrelevent.
If you want to accuse anyone of gun laws in Germany then blame Britain,US etc for the Treaty of Versaille. It was that which banned the guns. German Gun policy was relaxed from then on when they were allowed to do it by the Allies.
Whether the Jews owned guns or not would NEVER have stopped the holocaust from happening. A lot of Europe at the time turned a blind eye because of the agreement with the german policies on Jews. Same with the US. They Jews were systematically worn down through laws which gradually took away there freedoms. If they could have owned guns and risen up they would have been killed.
Also the Jews were only restricted from owning guns n 1938 when the jewish problem and the National Socialists had been in power since 1933. Gun control had NOTHING to do with anything.
I'm nt even going to start on China and Mao when he didn't even full get control of China until 1949 and the gun control laws came into place in 1935. Didn't stop the revolution.
Ok i admit the next bit of information is old (1994) but i believe still relevent
The gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994 by country were as follows:
* U.S.A. 14.24 guns legal
* Brazil 12.95 guns legal
* Mexico 12.69 strict laws but no issues with possesion of handguns
*edit etc.
I'm pretty sure you can see the re-accuring theme here. But i must go to work now.
The links www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp
And the one for my previous post users.erols.com/mwhite28/gunsorxp.htm
As usual, these numbers fail to take rather important facts into account.
A.) The black market for guns in the USA is one of THE strongest wordwide, and in fact rival sales through legitimate means. Attempting to make guns illegal will have litte to no effect on the ability of criminals to aquire guns.
B.) Even if we succeed in stopping the flow of weaponry, both legal and otherwise (an impossible task, don't get your hopes up), because firearms last pretty much forever with a minimum of care, there are already enough guns in the USA for each and every adult to be packing, with penty more to spare.
C.) Very few murders with guns are second degree, AKA in the heat of the moment. Most weapons in those cases are improvised, a chair leg, a knife, even a frozen mutton leg in one famous story. If the bastard has time to retrieve a gun from its hiding hole, retrieve the ammo, and load the thing, he's got time to think and wait till he can get a piece from the illegal dealer down the block.
In conclusion, there is no effective way to reduce the number of guns in criminal hands by any significant amount. You can make it very difficult for them to carry the things, but then again, we already do that. Therefore, the only significant benefit or goal one can look forward to by making guns illegal is the reduction in accidental death or injury from legitimately owned weapons, which is much more effectively combated by proper training in the use and storage of firearms.
If you wish to reduce the problems we have with firearms, your time will be much better spent focusing upon who acquires them and how. Frankly, I am appalled at how easy it is to obtain a license, not because I don't wish for people to have access, but because for all the bureau knows, I can't tell the difference between the safety trigger and the action, much less how to handle the thing and not shoot myself.
P.S. One statistic I like to pull out in response to this topic. If you own both a gun and a pool, the pool is over 100 times more likely to kill your child than the firearm is.
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind, and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
Hemingway
Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly. According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however, there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact.
Although there are various different assumptions out there on how many psych0/sociopaths there are in our society. In Corporate business it is thought that there is a higher predominance of psycho/sociopaths due to the nature of the enviroment.
The dude who did the initial work which lead to the classification of Psychopaths does put it at a more reasonable 1 in 25 though.
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Pamela Jayne, M.A., writes that "30% of men are sociopathic." If about every three out of ten men I may meet are psychopathic, I would assume this is not something to take lightly. According to these statistics, that would mean every three out of ten men and maybe every one out of ten females. The truth is, we do not really know exactly how many individuals are psychopathic; however, there seems to be a rise in the prevalence of psychopathy and that is why some claim that numbers are higher. Dr. Black claims that psychopathy leads right behind depression, along with schizophrenia and borderline personality disorder, which is an astounding fact.
Although there are various different assumptions out there on how many psych0/sociopaths there are in our society. In Corporate business it is thought that there is a higher predominance of psycho/sociopaths due to the nature of the enviroment.
The dude who did the initial work which lead to the classification of Psychopaths does put it at a more reasonable 1 in 25 though.
Okay so all of this is mere conjecture on the part of some psychologists. Sounds like pseudoscience to me.
Either way, got thelink so I may evaluate the evidence myself?
fishermage.blogspot.com
www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath3.htm
www.hare.org/links/saturday.html
I will say that the initial figure was something I first saw on a documentary quite a while (years ago here not months or weeks) a go now and it's name escapes me. It stuck with me though as it does seem like a high figure.
Things also change when you look into different areas of living, upbringing etc.
And isn't all psychology mere conjecture?
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Guns make killing easy.
That is the whole point.
The easier something is to do, the more often it gets done.
I love guns by the way. I kill something everyday.
Not all gun crime is commited using illegally obtained weapons. Most of it is domestic murder using legal ones.
My mate blew her husbands balls off last year. Her gun was legally owned.
Indeed it is all conjecture, and yes, it seems like a psychotically high figure. that being the case, why act as if it is true as part of an argument against gun ownership?
fishermage.blogspot.com
Pack off all the teenagers to a battle island somewhere.
That should sort it out.
Because surely people have to believe the occasional thing "experts" say?
Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
woot!!!! Real life Battle Royale !!!!!! Bagsy me as "Beat" Takeshi
:D
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
Finns have fourth most firearms in the world per capita (right after United States, Yemen, Switzerland) totalling 1.8 million registered privately owned firearms and 100,000–200,000 unregistered firearms. Gun related homicides are rare, comprising 14% of the total number of homicides, which is comparatively low.
They also do National Service which teaches proper respect for guns. Others on this site have dismissed out of hand National Service happening in the USA
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." -George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair
That's because the Finns have outlawed ammunition......
This would be the same Finland that has a high school massacre every year, or the other Finland?
Now that we have guns you cannot stop the creation of guns. Guns are a relatively easy weapon to manufacture, and can be done inside a person's garage or basement without people knowing. Even if you were to destroy all guns and close the gun creation industry. You would still have people making guns underground or on their own.