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Imagine you are Tasos who did nothing but lie, bullshit and treat your games community like crap. Imagine gamers eating the corn from your poop after you did nothing but lie, bullshit and treat them like crap.
How does it feel being owned by Tasos?
learn2spell and grammar please. kthxbye
learn some social skills ..kkthxbai
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Permit me to give some advice.
Don't put on the 'snooty intellectual' hat if you don't have the actual writing skills to pull it off.
When using "It's" as a contraction, for "it is", use an apostrophe.
"Can't" also has an apostrophe, unless you are referring to the slang of thieves. I don't think you are.
There are countless other errors of form in your other posts, but your worst error is that your key premise is wrong.
Darkfall is not a game for the mature, the intelligent, or the wise. It is a game designed for, and marketed to, the scum of the Internet gaming community -- the slavering hordes of PK kiddies who cannot conceive of any interaction beyond "KILLKILLKILL!!!!!". It is aimed at the segment of the market every other MMORPG has tried to discourage. It is aimed at those who forced the "living world" of Ultima Online to be changed to Trammel/Felucca. It is aimed at the exploiters, the cheaters, the hackers, the self-proclaimed "l33t" who have no idea how utterly ironic that title is. What you see is exactly what you should expect.
Further, yes, this IS the worst launch ever of a supposedly professional game, and I have been there for the launches of Ultima Online, WoW, Everquest 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard, and WAR. WoW was overwhelmed, true -- but they added servers by the dozens and stabilized. Those who did log in found a game that was reasonably feature complete. All of the other games I mentioned had some problems, but all were still in much better shape than what I've heard described as the state of Darkfall. (No, I am not going to spend 60+ dollars just to find out for myself how bad it is, since I am *not* a child and I have far better things to spend my money on.) Aventurine grossly overpromised and grossly underdelivered. This has been the death knell of many companies, but some have managed to survive. We shall see what happens, and I won't say Darkfall is 100% doomed to failure, but the launch certainly proves the skeptics right and the fans wrong, except in the distorted worldviews of the most seriously deluded.
Wow!!!
I'd rather wait a few months for Aventurine to get their servers and billing system run smoothly , than wait a millennium for some multi-million giant to deliver a MMO fitting my personal standarts.
I've seen people saying that a company of the likes of EA, Blizzard, SOE etc should see the untapped niche Aventurine's aiming for and use their funds to deliver a nice, professional product for us.
I mean, seriously.
And they call me delusional.
Hopefully, we'll start seeing information on the World of Darkness game which CCP is developing. I would guess that once 'walking in stations' has been delivered in Eve -- shortly afterwards, we'll begin getting world of darkness updates, and that they'll use the same engine that eve will use for humanoid avatars.
Scrap the walking in stations. I want WoD. And I want it two days ago.
CCP knows how to make a deep game. I cant wait to play it. Just hope they dont pull a mythic and funcom. There first games compared to there second is just mind boggling.
I dont think there has been any present time mmorpgs (with combat) yet.
Permit me to give some advice.
Don't put on the 'snooty intellectual' hat if you don't have the actual writing skills to pull it off.
When using "It's" as a contraction, for "it is", use an apostrophe.
"Can't" also has an apostrophe, unless you are referring to the slang of thieves. I don't think you are.
There are countless other errors of form in your other posts, but your worst error is that your key premise is wrong.
Darkfall is not a game for the mature, the intelligent, or the wise. It is a game designed for, and marketed to, the scum of the Internet gaming community -- the slavering hordes of PK kiddies who cannot conceive of any interaction beyond "KILLKILLKILL!!!!!". It is aimed at the segment of the market every other MMORPG has tried to discourage. It is aimed at those who forced the "living world" of Ultima Online to be changed to Trammel/Felucca. It is aimed at the exploiters, the cheaters, the hackers, the self-proclaimed "l33t" who have no idea how utterly ironic that title is. What you see is exactly what you should expect.
Further, yes, this IS the worst launch ever of a supposedly professional game, and I have been there for the launches of Ultima Online, WoW, Everquest 2, Star Wars Galaxies, Vanguard, and WAR. WoW was overwhelmed, true -- but they added servers by the dozens and stabilized. Those who did log in found a game that was reasonably feature complete. All of the other games I mentioned had some problems, but all were still in much better shape than what I've heard described as the state of Darkfall. (No, I am not going to spend 60+ dollars just to find out for myself how bad it is, since I am *not* a child and I have far better things to spend my money on.) Aventurine grossly overpromised and grossly underdelivered. This has been the death knell of many companies, but some have managed to survive. We shall see what happens, and I won't say Darkfall is 100% doomed to failure, but the launch certainly proves the skeptics right and the fans wrong, except in the distorted worldviews of the most seriously deluded.
Sorry, I seem to have walked in to the middle of the movie. Let me see If I have this straight.
Dr. Frankenstein was scorned by his peers and called a madman for his dreams of creating life.
In spite of his rejection by the scientific community, he perseveres. He works feverishly to create the "New Man". A being with the body of Adonis and the mind of Da Vinci. They called him mad! Well, now they'll see!!
"Igor, raise the lightning rods!!" ... **crash of thunder** ... "IT'S ALIVE!!!!!"
Tragedy. Instead of creating a demigod, he has created a lumbering, mentally deficient abomination. Scarred and misshapen, unable to communicate the depths of it's pain and self-loathing if such concepts might even be grasped by the brute. A mere glimpse of it slouching through the shadows of the town square is the stuff of nightmares.
Now the villagers are at the door of his windmill with their pitchforks and torches. They're demanding blood!
Ok, got it. Please continue.
... losers who spend nearly a decade making a game, promising it will have everything under the sun, only to realise it was all lies.
Awww.... the sound of beginning developers who just learned Java while at their first CS class.
Aww the sound of delusional slavering obsequious sycophantic failbois waiting for the next cum load from Tacos.
For a "community" that prides itself on being the most hardcore on the interwebs, DF fanboys whine and cry more than any others I've ever seen. Judging from the amount of crying coming form the fanboys its hard to believe their game is as hardcore as they claim. I think it would look look more like this www.youtube.com/watch based on the QQ'ing from the fanboys.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
I played the game in beta and I can say that Darkfall is not ready for release. It should have never been released, they should have tested the servers alot more, they should have done a lot of things.
Remember the amazing AI that was talked about? The AI is crap, worst in any MMO I have ever seen. Remember PvP based on Player skill? The PvP has nothing to do with player skill. Remember Player freedom? There is no player freedom, you have to take skills you don't want just to get to the skills you want. Darkfall could be a good game if they would have listened to the beta testers at all. Post after post on the beta form talked about problem after problem and guess none of them were listened too.
Vanguard had a better launch then Darkfall by a long shot, atleast people could buy and play the game.
Dont tell me I cannnot bash the game, I played it in beta, I have seen what Darkfall has to offer. It is not for me. Darkfall is nothing but a PvP game with nothing else. It does not even have player skill PvP, its all about farming potions. He who has the most potions wins the battle.
Darkfall was high on my list of games, I even defended it againts the vaporware trolls none stop but I can admit I was wrong, Darkfall is a horriable game, its that simple. The game does not have anything worth while in it and brings nothing new to the MMO market.
We have FPS MMOS, We have FFA Full PvP MMOs, We have skill based MMOs. So what did Darkfall bring to the table? Can anyone answer that questions?
Seriously it is bad enough that the people who want to buy the game cannot even do so. That should say everything that needs to be said about this game and the company behind the game.
So get off your high horse and come on over to reality. The reality is Darkfall is the worst launch of any MMO to date including DnL and Vanguard.
Sooner or Later
WELL after months and months of trolls and fanboys waring it back and forth. i have come to the conclution that DFo is a dead game. how is it a dead game? quite simply thanks to the fanboys failing at life and having a war with trolls who generally dont give 2 snots about a game anyway... and after a time stop posting ... they kept at the trolls there by increasing the bad press. in such a regard that DFo is pointless playing it.
my personal reasons for not playing:
community is full of noob tards (ooo sure claim to be hardcore all you want.. doesnt make you so...)
game failed at launch to produce any sort of tangleable product. (no i dont concider the launch valid. its a closed PAID beta. enough said)
i personally like my pvp, without a retard shouting WOOO I BEAT YOU GOOOD I R LEEET!!! (i have long since got bored of that from Cs/CSS)
i had hoped to play dfo long ago like 5yrs ago or what feels like 5yrs as it seemed like a great concept. a newer concept for mmos compaired to what we had at the time. but i see now dfo wont live up to the hype it spread around about it self or my own personal views on it. ill spend that paid beta money on more booze and some crappy cheap mmo perhaps ill break down and try WoW O_o"........ maybe not.... but im sure id have better luck playing it then i would waiting for DFO to get its act together.
i truely hope DFO gets its act together cause to be honest. this kind of game service does not show the company as a viable game provider indy or not. you have to have some respect for your current/future community in that you provide atleast 70% of the pomises you setout to do. other wise your game is no better then a private server of another game.
oh and just a personal thought... the OP is a twit. their post oozes fanboy contempt. anyone who thinks like the op does on a game is a retard O_o a game shouldnt be compaired to wine as not everyone is legal age to drink wine, so in that regard have no idea what a fine wine tastes like compaired to a cheap knock off... anyone can buy a crappy wine but not everyone can buy a fine wine... course i personally dislike wine i would rather drink ale or harder stuff then a bubbly grape juice
Nice try OP.. but sadly your post was met exactly by the group you espoused to just simply be quiet, wait to actually try it, and or simply go away. LOL.... they have no clue. This game is like a box of cereal on the shelves at stores, not everyone likes granola cereal.. but if you dont, do you stand in the isles of the store 'ranting' and shouting about how could Kelloggs waste their time, money and plant resources to turn out such a product. Who they heck wants granola for breakfast!! LOL.. of course not.. you simply walk down the isle get what you want, put it in your basket and move the hell on... If you have friends or an audience that wants to speak about the cereal you all love and eat each day.. you sit around the campfire and share the great stories of how crunchy it was... Look people.. I have not had my chance yet to try out Darkfall.. but I am waiting for my shot.. and if I try it and dont like it.. I might.. MIGHT... just post a comment about what I found lacking in the game and ask that they possibly look at it and possibly think about making the changes to make their game better. Then I either walk away and go play whatever game(s) I do like and enjoy myself and possibly wait to see if there are notes or changes as time passes and if so.. I might give it another try. I have played all of the big boys and I do mean all.. Beta'ed most of them... closed beta'ed some and have played an incredible list after release, so after more than 20 years of mudding and graphic based rpgs and now mmorpgs... I have become somewhat disillusioned by the content of many games.. but I will keep trying them to see what I do like and then move on when I get bored... as I have found that I DO get bored.. I have also found that there is always something.. I do like about each game as well. whether or not that holds me to play the game or not.. even in a part time capacity is up in the air about how I feel at any moment.. But I ramble.. I am going to simply go and play with WAR and see how I like that one until I get a chance to try DF and who knows.. maybe I might find I like it enough to stay and play and work with the 'community' to make it better.. not shoot it down..
Just my rant..
Tekronos
Ranger, Hermit
I can remember a time without games. I was very young but I do remember. So, for people like me, some 20-30 years later, I am very grateful to be alive to have witnessed the evolution of gaming. I am very grateful to be able to play any game at all. So, I don't stress.
Darkfall is a wonderful game but it is very rough around the edges and has not had a perfect start. But, that's no reason to get butt hurt and crazy over it. If the problems are too much for you to handle, either seek therapy or go play one of a plethora of games out on the market today and come back to Darkfall in a few months.
MMOs last for years and we have seen more MMOs stay in business than not. It is silly to think that because DF's launch was not good that it will automatically fail. Since when has such absolute black/white thinking become so prevelant? Since when have games become a form of a weapon that we use to bash each other in the head with in these forums?
Games are about entertainment. We really need to get back to that point.
One good thing about these forums is the debate it allows. Dividing the forums like this would just be silly. You could make this suggestion on Darkfall's actual forums and see how that goes over, but to suggest a division and more moderation because you think it deserves it is, again, silly. The Vanguard forums were just like this when it launched and it was never segregated and neither should DF.
mud vets can't handle fps combat
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After reading through each of the previous posts, watching a few of the Darkfal videos, reading the Dev posts in regards to their game, and checking out the Darkfall homepage, I feel it is time to post.
Darkfall is an excellent example of how to not go about creating a game. The amount of time taken in development has caused this game to be outdated at its "launch." The first things I ever heard about Darkfall were full of praise, but unfortunately, it does not seem to live up to its own hype. The videos certainly show it to have the awkward FPS style look, and the graphics are not competitive with the current market. Many of the ideas presented and attempted in Darkfall have a future, such as a skill system where all skills, including weapons increase in rank with use (although even World of Warcraft has this to some degree, and personally I find that game to be an atrocity). Properly handled PvP and consequences will find their way into a game eventually, but it seems to be the consensus that this game does not have it. I have seen an FPS style PvP game handled properly, it is called Fury. It runs on the Unreal engine. The ability to build cities, claim cities, and destroy cities is fairly innovative, but not exactly revolutionizing. The same goes for player created gear.
In regard to the Dev posts, it seems to me that they are indeed a small company trying desperately to be professional, but in general, they lack experience.
The feeling that I received when browsing the homepage for Darkfall was that this game is a culmination of one gamer's desire to make his Dungeons and Dragons home-rule game into an MMORPG. Being a veteran player of the Dungeons and Dragons game through its many iterations, I can easily say that this game has the stink of Dungeons and Dragons all over it. While that might not be a bad thing to some, I personally feel that Dungeons and Dragons Online is doing or has done enough in that mini-genre (I thoroughly enjoyed every moment I spent playing DDO).
I have seen many aspects of the game I am currently designing reflected in Darkfall, and I thank them graciously for showing me how not to go about implementing certain things.
All in all, I feel that it is a shame that seven years of development were wasted on what could have amounted to a decent game five years ago.
Now then, don't get me wrong. I was fully enchanted by the idea of this game when I first heard of it, and, designing a game that focuses on player interaction and combat myself, I recognize the niche that it was trying to fill. I simply feel, after taking everything into consideration, that it has failed.
H A D O K E N !
oddly enough, that's not the swg board rules, because the refuge IS filled with people who have played the game.
and the op is a blatant troll post -- yeah, you agree that it's a great post... says something, says a lot and nothing good.
the bar's been set by ccp for indie games -- darkfall is just full of fail at reaching that bar. i have faith that the world of darkness mmo will meet it... fanbois will defnitely not be welcomed.
How was EvE two weeks in to release ?
Guess it had to fight less trolls ? people have given it a fair chance ?
DarkFall is a good promising game and will make his way.
ok, this is seemingly an incredibly hard concept for people to learn and understand; but i will try again....
WE DO NOT HAVE MR. PEABODY'S WAY-BACK MACHINE, SHERMAN... for those who weren't around for the rocky & bullwinkle show -- we have NO time machines.
darkfall was recently released. if i choose to play WOW - TODAY, am i playing the wow that was released a few years ago, or the current game? if i choose to play EVE - TODAY, am i playing the eve that was released years ago, or the current game? If i choose to play VG - TODAY, am i playing the vg game as it was on the day it was released, or am i playing the game as it is TODAY?
what does it matter how eve was two week post-retail? what does it matter how ANY game was two weeks post-retail, if we're discussing darkfall?
sure, you can find bad releases, you can also find great releases. intelligent people will have learned from past mistakes, so as to not repeat them -- hence we have some good releases. these intelligent people could be money lenders, publishers, whomever... if they've done their due diligence, they've kept up with the state of the game throughout its creation.
this game has potential? great, let us know when it reaches its potential, until that time, a LOT of people are going to be playing games that HAVE reached their potential. why?
i don't know why... maybe it's something like... if you can have a loving, devoted, beautiful, caring, kind, understanding wife/husband (whatever your preference) OR you can have a dog that died three months ago and is stinking & rotting in your living room... which would you HONESTLY choose?
but, tbqfh, eve fanbois also weren't plaguing every forum on the internet for a year prior to retail release, espousing how eve was the greatest game in the universe, unlike darktard trolls.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
"I have seen an FPS style PvP game handled properly, it is called Fury. It runs on the Unreal engine"
Hate to break it to you Velexia but Fury has been dead for 6 months, so that is not really a good example. They mismanaged that game and it was done by a company that was unknown outside of Aus. except for a RTS game and a model train simulator.
From Wiki "It was released on 16 October 2007 and was shut down on 7 August 2008. This puts the total life of the game at a little less than 10 months"
It will be interesting to see if DnF can outlast it though.
Sadly most of the MUDs I used to play had exponentially more depth than Darkfall.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
The goals and more importantly the presentation of those goals have never been "modest". Quite the reverse. I have played MUDs and MMO's since Bartles original MUD in 1980. I guess I am not one of the hordes you speak of. I was bitterly disapointed with DF precisely because iit dosen't deliver or capture that experience. It is simplistic and pointless, it has no charm, that is why there are hordes of people whining and complaining. Funnily enough NP3/Farlan blamed exactly the same thing (the disapointed fans) for the failure of D&L .
Fortunately there are a couple of games on the horizon that harp back to an earlier era one which I have the privallige of testing (sorry, can't say which or I'd have to kill myself) it blows DF out of the water by a metric crapton. There is hope.
Anyway "Out of the Mouths of Babes & Children".......
I'll drink to that! I couldn't have said it better myself sir! The DF community is one of the most vile immature communities I've ever had the displeasure of experiencing. The verbal abuse that goes on constantly on the forums and in ingame chat has to be seen to be believed. There is no good sport attitude going on anywhere in DF, the tone is very elitist and all the hacking that comes with them, you'll see carebear hurled at you for even looking at safe zones as you walk by.
Another fanboi. Quick, tag and bag, we can release him at the Aventurine delusional gamer preserve aka sandbox.
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