I think the big issue would be on a console is downtime , unplayable game , far too many bugs... just doesnt look good on consoles , like for example they were bringing out Age of Conan and Warhammer Online for the xbox360 now by the looks of it there not due to bugs and stability.
Originally posted by Praetalus You cannot compare the hardware on the 360 for example with a pc directly due to the way the games are coded. Games for the pc have to be developed for many diffirent set ups, cards, processors, single core, multi-core, etc. This is the reason for a lot of poor performance in pc games. The scalibilty mixed with constantly updated drivers leads to some real shitty situations for a lot of PC gamers. Trust me, I'm on the tech forums for these MMO's all the time and have seen it first hand.
Gotta agree with this guy; I'm surprised that there hasn't been more interest in the console market amongst the MMO developers 'cos it's just GOT to be so much easier to code any game for standardized hardware rather than the ragtag collection of Uzbekhistanian imports that some PC users probably end up with.
I always thought it was down to two things; the frequent patching and the simplified input devices, but since all modern consoles have access to HDD's I don't imagine that patching would be too much of an issue and it shouldn't be too difficult to incorporate keyboard and mouse controls. The PS3 can already accommodate USB input devices.
One thought that occurs is that the life expectancy of consoles tends to be shorter than your average successful MMO; EVE Online launched in 2003 and is still going strong whereas the original Xbox only ran for about 5 years between 2001-2006 before being superceded by the 360.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Consoles are an untapped goldmine. Why cant developers get it together?
Lets see how many have said they would release a pc aswel a console version of their game, as far I know it goes back EQ time, and if you take the time you will find many statements of developers saying the game will become on a console, for some there already been ads on the internet.
Conclusion: seems it's not that easy to make a MMORPG work the way we know them from PC to move over to console.
I definitly agree that there is a hugh market to gain from it, but there are also many loopwholes that simply work very different with console's compared to PC.
I am sure that with the next set of console's for now named Xbox720 and PS4 will definitly have MMORPG on them. We already gonna see glimps on what can be done on the PS3 and Xbox360, but when looking at those games targetted at the console currently they are more like Action Online Games then I personaly would consider them MMORPG's.
Because no one gives a crap about console kids? Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music. It's just like video games, but dumbed down and dressed up with pretty graphics to attract the wallets of the ignorant masses.
Some additional problems would be things like, a large chunk of the players are kids. most MMOs are p2p, try telling dad or mom who just got their kid and xbox/ps3 and a game or 2 that they also have to pay a monthly fee to play the game. because we all know that p2p games want to make money and may not be able to make enough on the consoles to be worthwhile.
Playing: Not much actively. Games played: to many to list, been playing MMO's since 2001 --------------------------
Because no one gives a crap about console kids? Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music.
lol dont make me laugh consoles are x20 times more played then mmorpgs
That's why they are called "the ignorant masses." Masses, there are a lot of them. They out-number the non idiots.
Oh please. Quit being a PC fanboy.
I love my PC and I love playing games on it, but consoles - specifically the XBox 360 and PS3, far outdo the PC genre. Great games on the PC are few and far between, and it costs money out the ass to keep up with the technology.
I have yet to see a PC game, besides maybe the Total War games and Diablo, that make me think, "Oh wow - this is so much better than anything I could ever get on my 360."
And I absolutely love reading some of the posts here. People sitting there associating consoles with little kids and morons, bashing the current-gen consoles, talking about badass PCs are because you can dump money into them every 6 months to make them beast. Jesus Christ, get off your high horse. They're video games, you dicks. We're all glad some of you are "uber l337" pro gamers with an elitist attitude, but understand that not everyone plays PC games for hardcore MMOs.
And before any of you ask, yeah, I have both the PS3 and the 360, and my PC. I play them all, and they're each good for their own thing. Generally speaking, the consoles are better for gaming with friends, and the PC is better for hardcore MMORPGs. Other than that, the only good games come from Bioware, Blizzard, and The Creative Assembly.
Because no one gives a crap about console kids? Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music.
lol dont make me laugh consoles are x20 times more played then mmorpgs
That's why they are called "the ignorant masses." Masses, there are a lot of them. They out-number the non idiots.
Do i see irony?
Anyway right now there is FInal Fantasy and Phantasy Star Universe. On the X360 PSU is still making a great income even though you may have to hunt for a copy of the game right now. Developers are thinking a bit to hard not to do it, because people are making their money already.
Iknow we can't stop developers eventually take step to consoles im affraid but thats end of true mmoprg's
FFXI on ps2 is insanely stupid console mmorpg super slow combat en idiotic controls that date back from older FF games with turnbase and dumb controls that consoles have.
You get a dumb down versions of mmorpgs with IDIOTIC CONTROLS to acommindate the console players.
If that time comes and some mmo's already are dumb down for future release STARGATE WORLDS mmo's are doomed for pc players.
Its then GAMEOVER for the true pc players who wanne play dumbdown idiotic console mmorpgs not me.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
FFXI on ps2 is insanely stupid console mmorpg super slow combat en idiotic controls that date back from older FF games with turnbase and dumb controls that consoles have. You get a dumb down versions of mmorpgs with IDIOTIC CONTROLS to acommindate the console players.
I guess I'm confused because you start with a comment on what the game is like on PS2. The it seems at least imply that everyone has some idiotic version of an interface/controls etc because its on console as well.
Oddly when I played FFXI on my PC I thought it had one of the best control setups I've ever seen in an MMORPG. Then again as it was launching in the US and I had read up on things I bought a gamepad.
The only reason I needed to touch the keyboard was to reply to people.
The combat etc was probably better than 90%+ of MMO's on the market... the reason I didn't stick around was due to the insane grind and total need for groups (at the time).
This was also when the game went live in the US and most of my server refused to speak english or blacklisted you because you spoke english (the game was live in japan for a year or so before this...)
So I guess that's my point of view. In fact I've wished more MMO's made interaction this easy.. aka gamepad support. Its nice to relax back in my chair with total control. Again that was my point of view..
SOE like or hate them is obviously going for the console market. This is why Smedley keeps making comments about the 20 million users on the live service... and how X million are already on the "home" service.
Actually if you really think of everything he talks about.. everything they are doing is gearing/testing for the move to hybrid design (console/pc) and far as I know all their future MMO's will be on multi platform. Its also why they are doing things that upset the current playerbase in some games.. because they see having to run a certain way for the new "large" playerbase they see installed on their live services waiting to spend some money.
Not saying I agree or disagree... its just what I see.
It is without a doubt the lacking interface that prevents other producers making MMO's for the consoles. We have found a way, but are still investigating the market potential. We are working on a game that will be released for Wii, XBox and possibly PS3 as well. It is easy for the Wii, but we are considering delivering the XBox and PS3 version together with a new interface, a virtual glove, that will make players able to be part of the action. The game will be ftp (free to play). We will see how that goes.
Because no one gives a crap about console kids? Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music. It's just like video games, but dumbed down and dressed up with pretty graphics to attract the wallets of the ignorant masses.
PC elitists are adorable.
There are just as many kids on PC as there are on consoles, load up Counter Strike or World of Warcraft and you'll see for yourself.
Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music? Please, if there were no concoles gaming would still be in its baby steps today and never recognised as an art form. PC games aren't better than console games, live with it.
Ummm I don't know what insane world you live in, but video games -still- aren't considered an art form...pretty much anywhere. There are a couple of people who think they are, but they aren't recognized as such by more than isolated parts of niche sects of the market.
Ummm I don't know what insane world you live in, but video games -still- aren't considered an art form...pretty much anywhere. There are a couple of people who think they are, but they aren't recognized as such by more than isolated parts of niche sects of the market.
I remember reading a definition of the term "Art":
"Art is the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others" .. and what does that describe if not an MMO?
Art snobs are as elitist as PC ones; give them 60 years 'til they get used to the idea and they might get around to officially recognizing games as art. Personally, I'm not enough of a sheep to base my personal opinions on the shortsighted and outmoded opinions of "traditionalist" officionados.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
It's just a matter of time until mmo's become big on the console. I could even imagine playing one if they made some kind of special mmo-controler with more options. You know just like they made the guitar for those music games?
Iknow we can't stop developers eventually take step to consoles im affraid but thats end of true mmoprg's FFXI on ps2 is insanely stupid console mmorpg super slow combat en idiotic controls that date back from older FF games with turnbase and dumb controls that consoles have. You get a dumb down versions of mmorpgs with IDIOTIC CONTROLS to acommindate the console players. If that time comes and some mmo's already are dumb down for future release STARGATE WORLDS mmo's are doomed for pc players. Its then GAMEOVER for the true pc players who wanne play dumbdown idiotic console mmorpgs not me.
I guess you have never played a Bioware rpg or Elder scrolls on the Xbox.They are real rpgs with good controls use can easily use modify version of those combats system for a mmo.Once upon a time it was said that you can't a good console shooter and goldeneye for N64 change that idea pretty quickly.
The millions of dollars are out there sitting down waiting to be taken.
Because no one gives a crap about console kids? Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music. It's just like video games, but dumbed down and dressed up with pretty graphics to attract the wallets of the ignorant masses.
If you are talk about the Wii? I totally agree with you. Its nothing more than a child's toy, but if you are including the XBOX 360 and PS3. Then I highly disagree with you. Yes they are not as powerful as a super current generation computer, but you'd need a trust fund to have one. So that is where consoles like the XBOX 360 and the PS3 come in. Developers have limits of the systems, so everyone's experience is equal to everyone else's. Which would be perfect for PVP in MMOs. Most people who have the high end PCs, normally dominate people with low end PCs. When it come to most MMOs today. Well that was just my 2 cent, you can take it or leave it.
When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there!
Because no one gives a crap about console kids? Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music. It's just like video games, but dumbed down and dressed up with pretty graphics to attract the wallets of the ignorant masses.
Console kids? ignorant masses?
What about the wise man seeks wisdom. the fools claim it?
People are always looking for the next best thing, this is especially true I think with mmorpgs. Alot of people are just unhappy with currently available on titles on all systems period ( such as myself). The next generation consoles xbox360 and PS3 have the horsepower and internet capability to run mmorpgs well. There are NO!!! mmorpgs on the 360 ( and I believe the PS3) aside from FFXI, an older title and a multi system port. Respectable game, no insult intended to it but its hardly the mmo grail. It does prove that mmo can work and work well on the xbox360. Console owners are not all slack jawed fools who only play Halo, Gears and Resistance. Bioshock, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Fallout 3 all sold extremely well. And I've seen personally legions of fallout and oblivion fanboys crying for an mmo version of the game. Console gamers are HUNGRY for an MMO, the market is there and unlike the fabled market of China its not a myth. A WOW/EQ/LOTRO styled game probably wouldnt work too well on console. If you just port a PC mmo of course there will be problems with the controls. You HAVE to play to the strength of each system. The problem is when someone mentions mmo on console you imagine playing wow with a gamepad, of course that will blow.
What is wrong with an MMO that caters to the strengths of the gamepad and mic setup? Fully integrated voice chat with a simple gamepad trigger to switch channels would take care of pretty much all communicatio issues. For actual gameplay style gamepad would work great with either FPS style like Oblivion or Halo or over the shoulder like Gears of War. Or you could go competely top down old school isometric with a zoom like a 3d ultima online. Of course you would have problems if you use a WASD setup with a free floating camera like in WOW. Just imagine an updated and retooled Planetside with more rpg elements, skills, gear, maybe talent trees on console. Or a dark and griity Mad Max styled MMO like fallout. It could work similarly to Guild Wars, non instanced towns and then everything outside of towns are instanced plus a mad max styled thunderdome for pvp. Just some ideas of the top of my head. ________________________________________________
I'm really annoyed at the lack of console MMO's in development, to say nothing of the fact there are none (okay FFXI) out right now.
Plus every game that is sopposdly going to be on console seems to be canceled or postponed. Just look at Age of Conan and the recent Champions Online announcement. Hell the way he worded it in the interview leaves me wondering if Champions will ever come to the box.
So really what am I missing here? All I have to look forward too for the next 6 months is sacred 2 and Borderlands, neither of which are actual MMO's.
I have been playing FFXI for over 5 years on the PC WITH A CONTROLLER. That is the only way I can play due to the fact I was born with a controller in my hand. FFXI macro creation was the best thing ever made for a MMO. Other MMO creaters looking to make MMOs on consoles IMO should follow the Foot steps of SQAURE ENIX.
Also note the ONLY reason I play FFXI on the PC is Windower and other nice programs they have to offer. Other than this game .. GAMES were first available to us on a console, that is where they belong!
Consoles are for kiddies, and when a developer crossplatforms a MMOG, the quality for PC players is reduced in order to accept consules and their players maturity level.
Ive got to laugh at some of the ignorance being thrown around here, the whole PC vs console war is retarded, I play pc AND consoles, holy crap! Its a revelation, people are so walled up in there little factions, it doesnt matter what format it is the only thing that matters is playing a good game.
Anyone who thinks consoles don't matter have been living under a rock for the last few years, Ive been gaming for 25 years and gaming has never been so popular and it isnt pc games that have brought the fame its console games, look at the lack of decent PC games that have come out or are being developed lately, theres hardly anything and if there is its already on the console, Oblivion, Fallout 3 GTA4, RE5, Bioshock, Call of dutys you get the idea. Most companys seem to be focusing on consoles, PC's are getting shafted, can you blame them, when PC's gamings rife with piracy and hardware issues.
If you have played FF online you would know that a MMO on a console could work, contrary to what some people have said, it does NOT need an xbox live subscription to play neither does it have anything to do with xbox live, it runs through its own client and has nothing to do with Microsoft, it proved a MMO could work on a console, it was made for the PS2 years ago surely something better can be made for a console, PC gaming is dying on its ass at the moment, consoles are reigning supreme, its only a matter of time before a major MMO hits a console market.
A lot of people are saying that 'next gen' consoles can handle MMO's. Yes to a certain extent. But keep in mind the current gen of 'next gen' consoles are already a couple of years old and the current gen of 'next gen' MMO's are going to be cutting edge. At least in size. AoC weighs in at around 20gb.
Case in point. Imagine how different AoC had been if compatibility with Xbox 360 hadn't forced them to create such a small highly zoned/instanced world?
Its true what was said earlier - consoles will die out.
They filled a market, but as the current generation of consoles ages their weaknesses become more evident, lack of upgrades, lack of storage, lack of processing power, restrictive controls. The market they filled is dieing. There is now better graphics on a PC and the advancement of these graphics is far faster than when consoles were designed.
There is now no need for a console to exist.
To defeat the weaknesses and create the next generation of consoles, would require essentially creating a PC. So why on earth would you want to buy it? when a PC of similar or better specs would be cheaper and have none of the disadvantages.
They cannot create a new generation of consoles without including most of the weaknesses of the current consoles. If it had none of the weaknesses it would literally be a PC.
That is why consoles will die. The reason they were designed no longer exists.
And considering the constant drop in PC prices, the ability to upgrade, multi-use platform, infinitely better control options, only an idiot would buy a console that couldn't be upgraded and cost more.
There wont be a new Xbox, or Playstation after the current generation have died. The companies know that the reason for their conception is no longer valid, they will milk the current platforms until they die of old age.
Perhaps they will move into PC gaming rigs. But they won't be what we think of consoles.
There is also PSU for the consoles. As for servers go, it uses the same ones for playstation and pc, and xbox has separate ones. The controls for it where well addapted for the consoles, I think it plays better with a controller than a keyboard at least.
I agree with you though, there are some examples of MMOs for consoles which proves that it can be done. Like always we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
From my view of consumer, there's absolutely no reason to play an MMO on console. Maybe it's a big market etc, but that not my concern. In technical aspects: PC > console.
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I think the big issue would be on a console is downtime , unplayable game , far too many bugs... just doesnt look good on consoles , like for example they were bringing out Age of Conan and Warhammer Online for the xbox360 now by the looks of it there not due to bugs and stability.
Gotta agree with this guy; I'm surprised that there hasn't been more interest in the console market amongst the MMO developers 'cos it's just GOT to be so much easier to code any game for standardized hardware rather than the ragtag collection of Uzbekhistanian imports that some PC users probably end up with.
I always thought it was down to two things; the frequent patching and the simplified input devices, but since all modern consoles have access to HDD's I don't imagine that patching would be too much of an issue and it shouldn't be too difficult to incorporate keyboard and mouse controls. The PS3 can already accommodate USB input devices.
One thought that occurs is that the life expectancy of consoles tends to be shorter than your average successful MMO; EVE Online launched in 2003 and is still going strong whereas the original Xbox only ran for about 5 years between 2001-2006 before being superceded by the 360.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
Consoles are an untapped goldmine. Why cant developers get it together?
Lets see how many have said they would release a pc aswel a console version of their game, as far I know it goes back EQ time, and if you take the time you will find many statements of developers saying the game will become on a console, for some there already been ads on the internet.
Conclusion: seems it's not that easy to make a MMORPG work the way we know them from PC to move over to console.
I definitly agree that there is a hugh market to gain from it, but there are also many loopwholes that simply work very different with console's compared to PC.
I am sure that with the next set of console's for now named Xbox720 and PS4 will definitly have MMORPG on them. We already gonna see glimps on what can be done on the PS3 and Xbox360, but when looking at those games targetted at the console currently they are more like Action Online Games then I personaly would consider them MMORPG's.
LOL typical pc elitist
also controller>mouse+kb
Some additional problems would be things like, a large chunk of the players are kids. most MMOs are p2p, try telling dad or mom who just got their kid and xbox/ps3 and a game or 2 that they also have to pay a monthly fee to play the game. because we all know that p2p games want to make money and may not be able to make enough on the consoles to be worthwhile.
Playing: Not much actively.
Games played: to many to list, been playing MMO's since 2001
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lol dont make me laugh consoles are x20 times more played then mmorpgs
That's why they are called "the ignorant masses." Masses, there are a lot of them. They out-number the non idiots.
Oh please. Quit being a PC fanboy.
I love my PC and I love playing games on it, but consoles - specifically the XBox 360 and PS3, far outdo the PC genre. Great games on the PC are few and far between, and it costs money out the ass to keep up with the technology.
I have yet to see a PC game, besides maybe the Total War games and Diablo, that make me think, "Oh wow - this is so much better than anything I could ever get on my 360."
And I absolutely love reading some of the posts here. People sitting there associating consoles with little kids and morons, bashing the current-gen consoles, talking about badass PCs are because you can dump money into them every 6 months to make them beast. Jesus Christ, get off your high horse. They're video games, you dicks. We're all glad some of you are "uber l337" pro gamers with an elitist attitude, but understand that not everyone plays PC games for hardcore MMOs.
And before any of you ask, yeah, I have both the PS3 and the 360, and my PC. I play them all, and they're each good for their own thing. Generally speaking, the consoles are better for gaming with friends, and the PC is better for hardcore MMORPGs. Other than that, the only good games come from Bioware, Blizzard, and The Creative Assembly.
lol dont make me laugh consoles are x20 times more played then mmorpgs
That's why they are called "the ignorant masses." Masses, there are a lot of them. They out-number the non idiots.
Do i see irony?
Anyway right now there is FInal Fantasy and Phantasy Star Universe. On the X360 PSU is still making a great income even though you may have to hunt for a copy of the game right now. Developers are thinking a bit to hard not to do it, because people are making their money already.
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Iknow we can't stop developers eventually take step to consoles im affraid but thats end of true mmoprg's
FFXI on ps2 is insanely stupid console mmorpg super slow combat en idiotic controls that date back from older FF games with turnbase and dumb controls that consoles have.
You get a dumb down versions of mmorpgs with IDIOTIC CONTROLS to acommindate the console players.
If that time comes and some mmo's already are dumb down for future release STARGATE WORLDS mmo's are doomed for pc players.
Its then GAMEOVER for the true pc players who wanne play dumbdown idiotic console mmorpgs not me.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
I guess I'm confused because you start with a comment on what the game is like on PS2. The it seems at least imply that everyone has some idiotic version of an interface/controls etc because its on console as well.
Oddly when I played FFXI on my PC I thought it had one of the best control setups I've ever seen in an MMORPG. Then again as it was launching in the US and I had read up on things I bought a gamepad.
The only reason I needed to touch the keyboard was to reply to people.
The combat etc was probably better than 90%+ of MMO's on the market... the reason I didn't stick around was due to the insane grind and total need for groups (at the time).
This was also when the game went live in the US and most of my server refused to speak english or blacklisted you because you spoke english (the game was live in japan for a year or so before this...)
So I guess that's my point of view. In fact I've wished more MMO's made interaction this easy.. aka gamepad support. Its nice to relax back in my chair with total control. Again that was my point of view..
SOE like or hate them is obviously going for the console market. This is why Smedley keeps making comments about the 20 million users on the live service... and how X million are already on the "home" service.
Actually if you really think of everything he talks about.. everything they are doing is gearing/testing for the move to hybrid design (console/pc) and far as I know all their future MMO's will be on multi platform. Its also why they are doing things that upset the current playerbase in some games.. because they see having to run a certain way for the new "large" playerbase they see installed on their live services waiting to spend some money.
Not saying I agree or disagree... its just what I see.
It is without a doubt the lacking interface that prevents other producers making MMO's for the consoles. We have found a way, but are still investigating the market potential. We are working on a game that will be released for Wii, XBox and possibly PS3 as well. It is easy for the Wii, but we are considering delivering the XBox and PS3 version together with a new interface, a virtual glove, that will make players able to be part of the action. The game will be ftp (free to play). We will see how that goes.
PC elitists are adorable.
There are just as many kids on PC as there are on consoles, load up Counter Strike or World of Warcraft and you'll see for yourself.
Consoles are to video gaming what MTV is to music? Please, if there were no concoles gaming would still be in its baby steps today and never recognised as an art form. PC games aren't better than console games, live with it.
Ummm I don't know what insane world you live in, but video games -still- aren't considered an art form...pretty much anywhere. There are a couple of people who think they are, but they aren't recognized as such by more than isolated parts of niche sects of the market.
I remember reading a definition of the term "Art":
"Art is the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects, environments, or experiences that can be shared with others" .. and what does that describe if not an MMO?
Art snobs are as elitist as PC ones; give them 60 years 'til they get used to the idea and they might get around to officially recognizing games as art. Personally, I'm not enough of a sheep to base my personal opinions on the shortsighted and outmoded opinions of "traditionalist" officionados.
Playing: EVE, Final Fantasy 13, Uncharted 2, Need for Speed: Shift
It's just a matter of time until mmo's become big on the console. I could even imagine playing one if they made some kind of special mmo-controler with more options. You know just like they made the guitar for those music games?
I guess you have never played a Bioware rpg or Elder scrolls on the Xbox.They are real rpgs with good controls use can easily use modify version of those combats system for a mmo.Once upon a time it was said that you can't a good console shooter and goldeneye for N64 change that idea pretty quickly.
The millions of dollars are out there sitting down waiting to be taken.
If you are talk about the Wii? I totally agree with you. Its nothing more than a child's toy, but if you are including the XBOX 360 and PS3. Then I highly disagree with you. Yes they are not as powerful as a super current generation computer, but you'd need a trust fund to have one. So that is where consoles like the XBOX 360 and the PS3 come in. Developers have limits of the systems, so everyone's experience is equal to everyone else's. Which would be perfect for PVP in MMOs. Most people who have the high end PCs, normally dominate people with low end PCs. When it come to most MMOs today. Well that was just my 2 cent, you can take it or leave it.
When we get back from where we are going, we will return to where we were. I know people there!
Console kids? ignorant masses?
What about the wise man seeks wisdom. the fools claim it?
Go seek.
I have been playing FFXI for over 5 years on the PC WITH A CONTROLLER. That is the only way I can play due to the fact I was born with a controller in my hand. FFXI macro creation was the best thing ever made for a MMO. Other MMO creaters looking to make MMOs on consoles IMO should follow the Foot steps of SQAURE ENIX.
Also note the ONLY reason I play FFXI on the PC is Windower and other nice programs they have to offer. Other than this game .. GAMES were first available to us on a console, that is where they belong!
Consoles are for kiddies, and when a developer crossplatforms a MMOG, the quality for PC players is reduced in order to accept consules and their players maturity level.
Ive got to laugh at some of the ignorance being thrown around here, the whole PC vs console war is retarded, I play pc AND consoles, holy crap! Its a revelation, people are so walled up in there little factions, it doesnt matter what format it is the only thing that matters is playing a good game.
Anyone who thinks consoles don't matter have been living under a rock for the last few years, Ive been gaming for 25 years and gaming has never been so popular and it isnt pc games that have brought the fame its console games, look at the lack of decent PC games that have come out or are being developed lately, theres hardly anything and if there is its already on the console, Oblivion, Fallout 3 GTA4, RE5, Bioshock, Call of dutys you get the idea. Most companys seem to be focusing on consoles, PC's are getting shafted, can you blame them, when PC's gamings rife with piracy and hardware issues.
If you have played FF online you would know that a MMO on a console could work, contrary to what some people have said, it does NOT need an xbox live subscription to play neither does it have anything to do with xbox live, it runs through its own client and has nothing to do with Microsoft, it proved a MMO could work on a console, it was made for the PS2 years ago surely something better can be made for a console, PC gaming is dying on its ass at the moment, consoles are reigning supreme, its only a matter of time before a major MMO hits a console market.
A lot of people are saying that 'next gen' consoles can handle MMO's. Yes to a certain extent. But keep in mind the current gen of 'next gen' consoles are already a couple of years old and the current gen of 'next gen' MMO's are going to be cutting edge. At least in size. AoC weighs in at around 20gb.
Case in point. Imagine how different AoC had been if compatibility with Xbox 360 hadn't forced them to create such a small highly zoned/instanced world?
Seriously If I were blizzard I would port WoW over to consoles.
Im shocked this hasen't happend yet.
Give them a client with all expansions + a cheap Keyboard/mouse With a blizzard logo on it.
Price the damn game at 69.99 and create a handful of Console only WoW servers.
Blizzard would rule the world shortly after.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
Its true what was said earlier - consoles will die out.
They filled a market, but as the current generation of consoles ages their weaknesses become more evident, lack of upgrades, lack of storage, lack of processing power, restrictive controls. The market they filled is dieing. There is now better graphics on a PC and the advancement of these graphics is far faster than when consoles were designed.
There is now no need for a console to exist.
To defeat the weaknesses and create the next generation of consoles, would require essentially creating a PC. So why on earth would you want to buy it? when a PC of similar or better specs would be cheaper and have none of the disadvantages.
They cannot create a new generation of consoles without including most of the weaknesses of the current consoles. If it had none of the weaknesses it would literally be a PC.
That is why consoles will die. The reason they were designed no longer exists.
And considering the constant drop in PC prices, the ability to upgrade, multi-use platform, infinitely better control options, only an idiot would buy a console that couldn't be upgraded and cost more.
There wont be a new Xbox, or Playstation after the current generation have died. The companies know that the reason for their conception is no longer valid, they will milk the current platforms until they die of old age.
Perhaps they will move into PC gaming rigs. But they won't be what we think of consoles.
Take the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
I'm playing a super-cool console MMO at this very moment.
It's called Playstation Home and it's totally free!
You can do almost everything, go bowling, watch movietrailers, chat and so on.
The chatting is a bit awkward with a gamepad, but you'll get used to it.
I'm so glad I found this, I was about to give up on MMOs.
If you wish to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe. - Carl Sagan
There is also PSU for the consoles. As for servers go, it uses the same ones for playstation and pc, and xbox has separate ones. The controls for it where well addapted for the consoles, I think it plays better with a controller than a keyboard at least.
I agree with you though, there are some examples of MMOs for consoles which proves that it can be done. Like always we'll just have to wait and see what happens.
From my view of consumer, there's absolutely no reason to play an MMO on console. Maybe it's a big market etc, but that not my concern. In technical aspects: PC > console.