I'm not holding my breath on this one. Even if this soon releases, I heavily doubt either the DC or Marvel title will hold a candle to Champions. Marvel dropped the ball breaking off of Cryptic
I always wondered about that considering how their relationship began... with Marvel sending agents into City of Heroes to document people making look-alikes of Marvel characters, then bringing suit. I mean, how cordial can a relationship that begins with a lawsuit be?
one more comic mmorgp.. i wonder when they will learn that kids dont have money to pay monthly fees, and that just 5% of gamers are still into that kinda games..
well probably after both of champions and dc heros or what its called. launch.. and they end up with 100k subs at best..
I've blogged it, but Gazillion has NetDevil (two failed MMOs and counting), Slipgate Ironworks (John Romero's MMO studio), two unknown studios, a kid-focused MMO coming out based on a subset of Marvel miniatures (and a cartoon series debuting in 2009), a Marvel MMO along with a whole heap of other large IPs while appearing to be based on F2P / microtrans revenue models. It's seven MMOs and counting.
It's too big and unwieldy to succeed. Plus Marvel isn't easy to work with - they'll be expecting big returns. If the kids-friendly Marvel MMO flops, I can't see the other one making it to release.
The first title is a browser-based game aimed at kids that focuses on Marvel's new "Super Hero Squad" property, which debuts on Cartoon Network later this year.
Nickelodeon did something similar with Avatar but no idea how popular it is
So they're putting out a kid friendly MMO. Probably for all those kids who watch their big brothers playing CoH, CO or DCUO but never get to play. Of course it's going to be a F2P with a cash shop. That way Mommy and Daddy are happy to let them play it, until junior starts begging and crying for them to buy him upgrades. As Admiral Ackbar would say: It's a Trap!
Marvel pulled out on Cryptic, they'll have to do something pretty spectacular to make up for that in my eyes.
So their putting out a kid friendly MMO. Probably for all those kids who watch their big brothers playing CoH, CO or DCUO but they never let them play. Of course it's going to be a F2P with a cash shop. That way Mommy and Daddy are happy to let them play it, until junior starts begging and crying for them to buy him upgrades. As Admiral Ackbar would say: It's a Trap!
Marvel pulled out on Cryptic, they'll have to do something pretty spectacular to make up for that in my eyes.
I thnk Microsoft were the ones who pulled the plug on the first project, not Marvel or Cryptic.
Originally posted by Stradden Originally posted by xaldraxius So their putting out a kid friendly MMO. Probably for all those kids who watch their big brothers playing CoH, CO or DCUO but they never let them play. Of course it's going to be a F2P with a cash shop. That way Mommy and Daddy are happy to let them play it, until junior starts begging and crying for them to buy him upgrades. As Admiral Ackbar would say: It's a Trap! Marvel pulled out on Cryptic, they'll have to do something pretty spectacular to make up for that in my eyes.
I thnk Microsoft were the ones who pulled the plug on the first project, not Marvel or Cryptic.
So the company behind the most succesful superhero mmo on the market couldnt fill the marvel expectatives.....but an unknown developer(that is NOT netdevil,read the news) will do?
Now theres some amazing understanding of the mmo business in Marvel.
It seems Cryptic had a perspective of the game,a personal view (and forget it:no mmo will catch WoW 'till Hydra) on the game and finally Marvel decided to drop them to work with a team that has not published anything and so Marvel will keep 100% creative direction(wich is not even remotely posible on Jack Emmert hands).
This is not gonna launch.Furthermore...i dont think we will never see a simple and sad screenshot of this project.
So the company behind the most succesful superhero mmo on the market couldnt fill the marvel expectatives.....but an unknown developer(that is NOT netdevil,read the news) will do? Now theres some amazing understanding of the mmo business in Marvel.
I've had some interaction with the Marvel guys some years ago... seen how they approach new business dealings and all that. I can see them getting all martini-lunched up when Microsoft was on board as publisher and going into panic "dig-a-hole" mode when they pulled out.
Love or hate Emmert and Cryptic's games, you still have to admit they approach the work professionally.
Don't get me wrong, I love Marvel's properties, and I'm happy as a clam now that they seem to actually be investing in successful film ventures, but I just don't see them meshing with the game developer culture very profitably.
Yeah, it'd be great to see an appearance from guys like Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, among other greats. I've always kind of liked Marvel over DC (I could just relate to them better than some alien with super powers, or a vigilante (superman/batman duh)). I want to fight side by side with Captain America and the Avengers!
I actually feel a bit sorry for Marvel right now, there main competitor has a decent looking MMO coming down the tubes (if SOE does not ruin it), and the MMO they were having made attained a different but popular superhero IP.
So not only are they late to the ballgame. They aare on the wrong field and have an team of reletive rookies they are fielding, against SOE who has done MMOs for a long time (but always manages to much things up), and Cryptic, the guys who singlehandedly brought about the superhero MMO genre....
I know its not Marvels fault but still.... even after Microsoft left, they could have chosen to let Cryptic keep the IP, I mean they were willing to use their own money to develop and buy their own IP.... Marvel could definately have worked something out.
Yea.. I really feel bad for them, but I think they brought it on themselves.
Why they chose them over cryptic is just.....mind boggling. I hope they work on character customization and making a non-linear world , then it will be great. But having cryptic loose it isn't always such a bad thing. Cryptic makes pretty linear games. ( no offense )
Oh boy, i wonder why no name company gets license to exploit such a huge trademark... look what SOE did with Star Wars, now Marvel is giving away their name to a newbie company... how can that turn good ?
Oh boy, i wonder why no name company gets license to exploit such a huge trademark... look what SOE did with Star Wars, now Marvel is giving away their name to a newbie company... how can that turn good ?
Well Gargantuan ( The devs making the new Marvel ) dev team is mostly composed of former Blizzard, Sony Online Entertainment, Cryptic and NCsoft developers. So that can't hurt.
I was always curious what happened between Cryptic and Marvel when Cryptic listed Marvel Universe as a game they had in developed. Then all of a sudden it disappears and they announced Champions Online.
As much as I would love to play this game or even desgin it... I think Marvel is too "hands on"...and the same issue I have with DC , I have with this. I don't want to play a side-kick to <insert Marvel Hero> and the devs wont be able to build a game where player heroes surpass the "world" heroes...
Considering this company they have gone with is still taking in apps for all positions tells me there is no way of knowing how this will turn out. but considering NetDevil's experience it will be a so-so game. and maybe more kid oriented as others have said.
I wouldn't expect anything fancy that's for sure... sad they moved from cryptic to go with this other company though. cryptic shows they have what it takes to make a good super hero mmo.
just have to wait and see, and give the free trial a run before buying that's for sure.
Hmm, this makes me wonder why they pull out from their game with Cryptic... At the time I thought that they decided that a MMO was too risky but with this info I start to suspect that Marvel had a close look on Cryptics game and realised that it sucked badly. But if they plan to make it a F2P game I rather play DCU if I will play a superhero MMO at all. With this info I kinda suspect that Champions online might be really bad too (and hey, you can't be evil in CO, that is so boring) so I don't see myself play it either. Of course I kinda felt that CoX was extremly repetive and got tired of it after a week so it is very possible that superhero MMOs just isn't my style. But I think Marvel could have choosed a better company to make their game, like Blizzard, CCP, FunCom, Turbine... and more. The world do have a lot of potential and many fans so it should have been easy to find a company that would like to make it into a game. But maybe the Ceo of Gazillion is the brother-in-law of Marvels Ceo or something.
I have to agree with your statement 100%. Better off getting the right company to make your MMO, especially a well known comic book company and spend the extra mills to make the ultimate MMO based off your IP!
To me this MMO business is getting out of hand and a lot, i mean a lot of the games out including P2P are boring as hell! Im now playing a F2P entitled Runes of Magic and its got my focus more than LOTRO atm! I dont know why either, it just does! But as Loke said I also played CoH/V both for about 2 weeks and got bored with it easily! Im probably not even gonna follow these games for the fact that its to little to late making a game you shouldve done a long time ago! Star Trek,DCUO,MarvelOnline,Champions,I even think the new Star Wars game is gonna flop as well! If you follow how a lot fo these games have been made, espeically to suit kids or dumbed down casual players, the games get worse and worse! No originality, no real gameplay systems to turn heads, and the graphics, geesh the graphics has all gone to cartoon network imo. Its getting so bad Im thinking of going to Vanguard Saga of Heros cause it seems to be a game that doesnt treat you like a kid or a retard who has trouble mashing one button tied to the most awesomeness skill in the game!
I just wish they would make a serious title with all a gamer would like some of us want! Action,Adventure, realistic plots and gameplay, crafting REAL crafting, every action changes your adventure and no going back, puzzle systems much like the old RPGs of yestersay like TombRaider but ever changing, rewards! Omg rewards have gotten to be the worst in any game Ive played! Spend 3 hours beating a 100foot boss only to get a shield thats not much better than the one you got 5 levels ago!
The industry just blows I tell ya! how much you want to bet that if they tried to make a game like UO again it would be so dumbed down that the old players would be laughing their ass off, then stop and think of how bad games have gotten, and then think maybe its time ot go back to simgle player games and give up online play as its just not going anywhere at all!
avoid Call for Heroes as if your life depended on it. It’s enough to destroy your motivation to ever game again. If you see it on a retail shelf, scream like you’re on fire, berate the store manager for carrying the game, sprint out, drive home and immediately take a shower.
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I always wondered about that considering how their relationship began... with Marvel sending agents into City of Heroes to document people making look-alikes of Marvel characters, then bringing suit. I mean, how cordial can a relationship that begins with a lawsuit be?
one more comic mmorgp.. i wonder when they will learn that kids dont have money to pay monthly fees, and that just 5% of gamers are still into that kinda games..
well probably after both of champions and dc heros or what its called. launch.. and they end up with 100k subs at best..
And the game will cater to PvE, you can count on that.
I've blogged it, but Gazillion has NetDevil (two failed MMOs and counting), Slipgate Ironworks (John Romero's MMO studio), two unknown studios, a kid-focused MMO coming out based on a subset of Marvel miniatures (and a cartoon series debuting in 2009), a Marvel MMO along with a whole heap of other large IPs while appearing to be based on F2P / microtrans revenue models. It's seven MMOs and counting.
It's too big and unwieldy to succeed. Plus Marvel isn't easy to work with - they'll be expecting big returns. If the kids-friendly Marvel MMO flops, I can't see the other one making it to release.
Maybe Marvel decided it would wait hoping in 5 to 10 years it takes to make the MMO people will be bored of the other super hero ones =P
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Nice i really hope they pull this off but i wont get too excited untill i see the finished product as mmo tend to fail at release still thumbs up!½
This voices.. This voices i hear them.. And when they talk i follow i follow..
the kid mmo is going to be a browser based game
news.bigdownload.com/2009/03/17/feature-gazillion-entertainment-ceo-on-marvel-mmo-game-projects/
The first title is a browser-based game aimed at kids that focuses on Marvel's new "Super Hero Squad" property, which debuts on Cartoon Network later this year.
Nickelodeon did something similar with Avatar but no idea how popular it is
www.nick.com/avatarlegends/
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So they're putting out a kid friendly MMO. Probably for all those kids who watch their big brothers playing CoH, CO or DCUO but never get to play. Of course it's going to be a F2P with a cash shop. That way Mommy and Daddy are happy to let them play it, until junior starts begging and crying for them to buy him upgrades. As Admiral Ackbar would say: It's a Trap!
Marvel pulled out on Cryptic, they'll have to do something pretty spectacular to make up for that in my eyes.
I thnk Microsoft were the ones who pulled the plug on the first project, not Marvel or Cryptic.
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Ah, I see. Thanks for the info Stradden.
So the company behind the most succesful superhero mmo on the market couldnt fill the marvel expectatives.....but an unknown developer(that is NOT netdevil,read the news) will do?
Now theres some amazing understanding of the mmo business in Marvel.
It seems Cryptic had a perspective of the game,a personal view (and forget it:no mmo will catch WoW 'till Hydra) on the game and finally Marvel decided to drop them to work with a team that has not published anything and so Marvel will keep 100% creative direction(wich is not even remotely posible on Jack Emmert hands).
This is not gonna launch.Furthermore...i dont think we will never see a simple and sad screenshot of this project.
I've had some interaction with the Marvel guys some years ago... seen how they approach new business dealings and all that. I can see them getting all martini-lunched up when Microsoft was on board as publisher and going into panic "dig-a-hole" mode when they pulled out.
Love or hate Emmert and Cryptic's games, you still have to admit they approach the work professionally.
Don't get me wrong, I love Marvel's properties, and I'm happy as a clam now that they seem to actually be investing in successful film ventures, but I just don't see them meshing with the game developer culture very profitably.
Yeah, it'd be great to see an appearance from guys like Stan Lee, Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, among other greats. I've always kind of liked Marvel over DC (I could just relate to them better than some alien with super powers, or a vigilante (superman/batman duh)). I want to fight side by side with Captain America and the Avengers!
(I call Hawkeye! my fave)
I actually feel a bit sorry for Marvel right now, there main competitor has a decent looking MMO coming down the tubes (if SOE does not ruin it), and the MMO they were having made attained a different but popular superhero IP.
So not only are they late to the ballgame. They aare on the wrong field and have an team of reletive rookies they are fielding, against SOE who has done MMOs for a long time (but always manages to much things up), and Cryptic, the guys who singlehandedly brought about the superhero MMO genre....
I know its not Marvels fault but still.... even after Microsoft left, they could have chosen to let Cryptic keep the IP, I mean they were willing to use their own money to develop and buy their own IP.... Marvel could definately have worked something out.
Yea.. I really feel bad for them, but I think they brought it on themselves.
Why they chose them over cryptic is just.....mind boggling. I hope they work on character customization and making a non-linear world , then it will be great. But having cryptic loose it isn't always such a bad thing. Cryptic makes pretty linear games. ( no offense )
Oh boy, i wonder why no name company gets license to exploit such a huge trademark... look what SOE did with Star Wars, now Marvel is giving away their name to a newbie company... how can that turn good ?
Well Gargantuan ( The devs making the new Marvel ) dev team is mostly composed of former Blizzard, Sony Online Entertainment, Cryptic and NCsoft developers. So that can't hurt.
I was always curious what happened between Cryptic and Marvel when Cryptic listed Marvel Universe as a game they had in developed. Then all of a sudden it disappears and they announced Champions Online.
I like the idea of the game, but I dont know the company. I hear that it's big so I hope it will turn out awsome
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As much as I would love to play this game or even desgin it... I think Marvel is too "hands on"...and the same issue I have with DC , I have with this. I don't want to play a side-kick to <insert Marvel Hero> and the devs wont be able to build a game where player heroes surpass the "world" heroes...
interesting......
slipgate ironworks is a part of these companies.
thats john romero's company.....
Games i'm playing right now...
"In short, I thought NGE was a very bad idea" - Raph Koster talking about NGE on his blog at raphkoster.com
Considering this company they have gone with is still taking in apps for all positions tells me there is no way of knowing how this will turn out. but considering NetDevil's experience it will be a so-so game. and maybe more kid oriented as others have said.
I wouldn't expect anything fancy that's for sure... sad they moved from cryptic to go with this other company though. cryptic shows they have what it takes to make a good super hero mmo.
just have to wait and see, and give the free trial a run before buying that's for sure.
I have to agree with your statement 100%. Better off getting the right company to make your MMO, especially a well known comic book company and spend the extra mills to make the ultimate MMO based off your IP!
To me this MMO business is getting out of hand and a lot, i mean a lot of the games out including P2P are boring as hell! Im now playing a F2P entitled Runes of Magic and its got my focus more than LOTRO atm! I dont know why either, it just does! But as Loke said I also played CoH/V both for about 2 weeks and got bored with it easily! Im probably not even gonna follow these games for the fact that its to little to late making a game you shouldve done a long time ago! Star Trek,DCUO,MarvelOnline,Champions,I even think the new Star Wars game is gonna flop as well! If you follow how a lot fo these games have been made, espeically to suit kids or dumbed down casual players, the games get worse and worse! No originality, no real gameplay systems to turn heads, and the graphics, geesh the graphics has all gone to cartoon network imo. Its getting so bad Im thinking of going to Vanguard Saga of Heros cause it seems to be a game that doesnt treat you like a kid or a retard who has trouble mashing one button tied to the most awesomeness skill in the game!
I just wish they would make a serious title with all a gamer would like some of us want! Action,Adventure, realistic plots and gameplay, crafting REAL crafting, every action changes your adventure and no going back, puzzle systems much like the old RPGs of yestersay like TombRaider but ever changing, rewards! Omg rewards have gotten to be the worst in any game Ive played! Spend 3 hours beating a 100foot boss only to get a shield thats not much better than the one you got 5 levels ago!
The industry just blows I tell ya! how much you want to bet that if they tried to make a game like UO again it would be so dumbed down that the old players would be laughing their ass off, then stop and think of how bad games have gotten, and then think maybe its time ot go back to simgle player games and give up online play as its just not going anywhere at all!
have you looked at today's PC RPGs? most stink (altho there are some good ones)
"today" defined as any RPG released in the last 2 years
people dont talk about the bad ones -- only the select few good ones that you can count on 1 hand
here's an IGN review about a RPG I bet you never heard of
Call for Heroes: Pompolic Wars
pc.ign.com/articles/806/806979p1.html
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avoid Call for Heroes as if your life depended on it. It’s enough to destroy your motivation to ever game again. If you see it on a retail shelf, scream like you’re on fire, berate the store manager for carrying the game, sprint out, drive home and immediately take a shower.
Game Rating: 1.2
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