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WHY SOLOING !?
thedrakon
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Damn, Why soloing when your in a mmorpg ... is that you haven't found what the letter in mmorpg mean ? MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER role playing game .. that's mean, To play with a lot of people a game where your suppose to play the role of something else that you currently are.
I understand that Soloing is good, Like, you got 30min to play, you go to a SOLO place and kill some mob .. but. Why don't you go play diablo2 ? 
a mmorpg is not really a game where you will say i'm the best and I done it alone .. why would it be nice to do it ? mmo ... you should play with ppl, make friend, make a community, help each other ... it's all about mmo .. the game of thought the more about community was Horizon (crappy game, but, community was good). When ppl say Eq is a shit cuz their no solo, Hey dude, go play an RPG, and forget about mmorpg.
Ok, Now, I know, a lot of ppl will trow me a lot of s**t .. but, I understand, sometime, it's pretty hard to find a group, nearly undoable (try to always find a group in eq1 right now, good luck). It's the only way i could accept some solo.
the reason I hate solo = You make a nice group, go hunting in a spot, and found a ******* solo player, who's 2-3 lvl higher and can solo the mob your going to kill. and kill them all. Do you realize, this guy is take a hunting spot, your a team of 4+ .. he's alone, and will propably tell you to leave cuz he was there first ... When, that guy could have done the same thing as you, made a group and go solo higher mob (probably for best xp).
Sorry .. but I had to say it ...
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Zarl Master BH, Master Pistoleer
Horizon =
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Zadark Scout 10 Fletcher 22
Dark age of Camelot
Keakeir Cleric 44
Zadork Savage 15
Comments
Being that the game is Massively Multiplayer means that there are a lot of people playing...
Nothing about it says you should have to group. If I want to play solo, that does not mean that I do not want to have many people to hawk my wares too, have people to enjoy a conversation with, or have a contest of strength against.
Everybody has their own reasons to play. I often run around the world just to see the sites, watch people fight big badass monsters, etc. Maybe you want to hunt a specific monster for a specific reason, and you can't find anyone else that wants too...
Each person has their own reason for playing.
As for your example, going to kill a specific mob and finding a soloist there already is exactly what is wrong with MMORPGs today. Not that there is a soloist there, but the fact that you know exactly where to go to camp a specific monster, that is going to drop specific loot. That is what is wrong with MMORPGs today...
Why group?
Just because it's Massively Multiplayer doesn't mean there is a Single Player version of said game. Take EQ for example, what if I like the EQ "universe" and would like to enjoy the lore, without annoying bitches whining and bitching. Therefore I want to solo. Why would you want to force a person who doesn't like you and doesn't want to have anything to do with you into a group with you?
Just because he tells you to leave, doesn't mean you HAVE to leave. There is this nifty feature most online things have these days, and they call it ignore. OOoohhh and ahhhhh what a concept?
Well first , why should someone inconvience themselves to go find another spot when they are fighting something that is their level just because you and your group want to hunt there? Second, mmorpg does mean Massive Mutiplayer, but it doesn't mean massive multiplayer grouped rpg. I group when I go on quests or am out on a raid or with guild, but most of the time I enjoy playing and hunting myself because I can go at my own pace. Go play a single player rpg you say then? Well, a mmorpg offers players that craft items that I can buy from, dynamic content, etc, etc.
Find a single player RPG with AI great enough to pass for a MMORPG and I will gladly stop paying monthly fees and play it instead.
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Wow, someone is really narrow minded (to the original post). I like to solo because sometimes i have things i want to do that i dont want to make a group to do. Or i just want to go off on my own and not have to worry about what the other people want to do. Although i prefer to solo, I do like to group, but for me soloing generally makes or breaks a MMORPG for me.
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Heheh, i honestly have no idea, its one of my favorite quotes though from a soundboard on Ebaumsworld, ill try and find a link... Arnold soundboard
The people wont disappear when you solo. It's a big difference with them just being there, compared to a world where you're all alone.
MMORPGs aren't about grouping per se, or hunting for XP in groups. Grouping for XP is just a sad excuse of "team effort" or "social activity" in games where XP is all that matters, all the content there is (besides raids), and they just had to make grouping more beneficial in XP gains to make the game appear more socially focused - to justify the MMO part in some way.
True advantages of mass and having loads of people come from quite different things. XP grind, on the other hand, is just an artificial means of keeping the simpleminded "hardcorers" and character builders hooked, and running in the mouse wheel. Nothing fancy or glorious to it, just lack of true vision in the game design.
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I play well alone or in a group.
What's the BIG deal?
Usually get better items when soloing.
Get better experience when in a group.
Depends on what you need to do!
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Why soloing? Good question.... Because maybe people need a respite from the accommodation of other people. Maybe that's why wealthy businessmen have quiet retreats and parents seek occasional refuge from their children. Maybe that's why divorce is > 50%. How long can you live with pandering to every member of the party (unless you want to be an asshole of a leader/party-member)?
The problem is that people aren't uniform: We have risk-taking individiuals (those that like to explore and attempt new challenges) and those that prefer to take the safest path..... A lot of people also prefer smaller groups (1-2 people), especially close-friends or partners.
MMORPG's are a form of RECREATION with the OPTION of interacting with others. If it were not an option then it would harldy be a form of recreation.
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honestly, you cant be this stupid. have you ever played a single player game? do you know how much their different than single players in so many fascets? And your going to use the acronymn of 'MMORPG' to justify why a soloer shouldnt want to play it instead of some logic or a real point?
I dont get how people think mmorpg's are anything like single players. I mean i enjoy grouping more than i do soloing in mmorpg's for the most part, but its not hard to understand why anyone would prefer a mmorpg over a single player. There are alot more reasons than just grouping to mmorpg's...
Thx for all that sweet answer.
To be honnest, I don't really care about all those soloer, I was 2 years ago, but now. I understand some fact. Just doesn't really understand some point .. but doing my best.
If i post some Opinion that were really of a side, it's was to make people react. It's some kind of manipulation to get what you want. And i was wanting some big reaction to more information about these kind of players. Thanks you all.
I was wondering a thing.
If in a mmorpg, the developper, make a special area for soloer, a place where it's easier to solo. Would it be good ?
But won't forget about the group content. I mean, You could find some Solo donjon, some solo ground (a plain .. forest ...) .. But, in the others hand, you got the *big* mob with Better Xp, better reward, but for group.
will it be good ? will you like it ?
I think this option could make everyone happy.
Everquest =
Tridihin rogue 55
Drakyr Monk 52
EverQuest2 =
Quelir Cleric 17
SWG =
Tirion Master Dancer, Master Musician
Zarl Master BH, Master Pistoleer
Horizon =
Drhakyran Dragon adv 55, Crafter 32
Zadark Scout 10 Fletcher 22
Dark age of Camelot
Keakeir Cleric 44
Zadork Savage 15
I noticed you left EQ blank in your sig. I guess you did not play EQ? Why are you using it as an exmple of the type of MMORPG you claim you like? To get a better idea of MMORPGs with different game mechanics I strongly suggest you play the following:
- EverQuest
- Asheron's Call
- Anarchy Online
- EvE
- Star Wars Galaxies
Each one of the above 5 MMORPGs are vastly different from each other. Different game features, game mechanics, game ideas. Some have leveling. Some have no levels. Some are a mix of Level Based and Skill Based. Anyone who has played all 5 of them has the best possible most well rounded MMORPG gaming experience.
Soloing does belong in a MMORPG. And as I said before, even solo players affect everyone on a server. Everything a solo player does, the loot he or she gets, tne items they craft, the players they help, affect everyone else. A MMORPG can still have a nice community even if the players like to hunt solo. In SWG there is a fun example of a group of players on a server who only lived in the wilderness in northern Corellia. They were true Rangers. Living in the wilds, far from any civilization. Surviving off the land, and animal parts. Trading with any players from civilization who passed through.
A solo player AND/OR another group can easily hog spawns in games that have spawn camping.
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Multiplayer does not mean grouping. Multiplayer means having fun with others, talking with others, creating guilds and taking an active role in the game's economy. Its giving advice to those who need it and recieving advice from those who have been where you are. Its about all of these things that I have just mentioned, and if you notice, grouping wasn't on that list. I can - and do- all of these things and I hardly ever group.
Groups are sloppy, unorganized and they have too many hidden agendas. You spend more time trying to figure out what to do and where to go and finding replacements than you do getting the job done. When I solo, its one mind, one goal, one objective. I like it that way, and belive it or not, I am just as social as any of you are...just not in ugly groups. I solo. Period.
I play mmorpg's for the option to interact with others. Not to be forced to do so by the game mechanics. Sometimes I don't have the time to group, often I just want to go off and adventure alone.
I don't see the logic by which I should be forced to group to accomplish anything beyond a certain point. People like to say if you don't like it play a single player game, and I do. But they seem to miss the point that you can like to play these games for themselves, not for some poorly thought out forced grouping system.
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I prefer to group, but I don't always have the time. I solo when I have to, and I prefer games that let me do both and do both well.
Does that make it simple enough for you to understand?
I have to admit that part of why SWG started to get boring was that all the mobs were soloable.
When these games are made it is with a group mechanic in mind. Every class or profession has a role to play and when done properly together you get great results. That is how SWG was in the beginning. We counted on each other to do our job in the group or else people died. After the mega buffs and food and full comp armor at 80% came out the group was no longer necessary.
When you are able to solo the majority of mobs in a game then either the mobs are too easy or characters are too powerful period. I realize a lot of people want to be the uber elite and go around owning all the mobs but they dont realize that in the long run that wont be very entertaining. These games are not really meant to be played like a single player game. They are supposed to keep you playing for years not weeks or months.
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I solo most of the MMOG I play, its very rare for me to be in a group. Why?
I like the "lone gunman" mercenary kind of character I usually play. Sad I know but I think its fun.
I'm 35, have a wife a daughter and don't get a huge amount of time to play. Real life has a habit of intruding on my game time and I feel guilty if I have to leave a group of players for whatever RL reason, especially if it leaves them in the lurch
I like role playing my characters and not many people seem to do that these days.
I like to group with my friends, but they're all coffin dodgers like me, so we rarely have the time.
And on the point of "Why bother with MMO if you don't want to group?)
There are other ways of interacting with my fellow players without the need to group with them. In AO and SWG it was fun just to go into a bar and role play having a few drinks. I'm playing the WoW Beta at the moment and I can't seem to find anywhere in Ogrimarr that sells Beer (!!!??) rather shocking as that is. Probably because its designed by an American
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Why do I go to a movie theatre, surrounded by other people, to see a film instead of watching it home alone on DVD?
Why do I go to a sports event instead of watching it home alone on TV?
Why do I go to a play instead of just reading the script?
Why stop by Ye Olde Comic Shoppe when I could order it all online?
Because I like sharing the experience with other people. I don't have to give out group hugs, I just like having them around.
There's nothing as random as other people - you never know what they're going to do. Some of my most memorable gaming experiences occurred when just hanging out in an area, and watching the mayhem people get into. Gangs of gnomes dry humping random legs in EQ comes to mind... what designer could make sh*t like that up? People boggle me. They're endlessly amusing.
I noticed you left EQ blank in your sig. I guess you did not play EQ? Why are you using it as an exmple of the type of MMORPG you claim you like? To get a better idea of MMORPGs with different game mechanics I strongly suggest you play the following:
- EverQuest
- Asheron's Call
- Anarchy Online
- EvE
- Star Wars Galaxies
Hey Dude, Just to let you take a closer look to my Sig, I got a lvl 55 Rogue who's been called Tridihin (was on TT and I make him move to sebilis to see how the french server) Than I miss TT and made a Monk who's now 52 with his epic. I played a lot of Eq, and bought it when kunark goes out. So, pls, don't say I haven't played eq, you can say i havent made it to the top, I will answer it's true, I was kind of newb and never found how it work well till group began to be hell to find. Then, my friend let me play an account he got as a gift, a lvl 65 Rogue, that I lvled to 70 and made some nice raid (before EQ2 goes out)
To finish this out. I post this, and act like a total moron to see some reaction, I only wish to see how soloer think, and what they want. Cuz I saw too often ppl saying that mmorpg are 70% soloer and 30% others ...
Everquest =
Tridihin rogue 55
Drakyr Monk 52
EverQuest2 =
Quelir Cleric 17
SWG =
Tirion Master Dancer, Master Musician
Zarl Master BH, Master Pistoleer
Horizon =
Drhakyran Dragon adv 55, Crafter 32
Zadark Scout 10 Fletcher 22
Dark age of Camelot
Keakeir Cleric 44
Zadork Savage 15
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Banned from Blizzard cause I was too GOOD!!!
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Oh, yeah. Why we solo. Because sometimes grouping isn't as convenient or rewarding. Why bother with MMORPGs? You get to see and interact with other people. May seem like a paradigm, but life is often complicated.
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