I don't understand why anyone thinks this is a good idea. Why wouldn't I want my own computer, with my own data, on my own drives? Especially with Internet companies moving more and more towards restricting bandwidth.
Most people are too dumb to realize that media companies are moving towards draconian measures to make sure that you continually pay for content you should really only pay for once.
Developers/publishers hate that you can pay for their game once and then do whatever you want with your copy of it (including sell it if you choose), and so they are all desperately searching for ways to transform their industry from a sales model to a rental model. That's the holy grail for these people, recurring revenue with bare minimum maintenance costs. If they spend enough marketing money dressing it up to look shiny and cool, the masses will likely lap it up and think its great, even as it takes away their freedom.
Personally, I don't buy digitally delivered content, both because I want a box and because I don't like the direction in which the industry is headed. The day I'm forced to use something like this, or even like Steam, is the day I stop gaming and come back around to the pile of novels on my nightstand. At the end of the day, these games are a luxury, and frankly one I could do quite well without.
A. Right now I can't even stream netflix without buffering and I have a fast cable. And a game is going to have to do alot more on the back end. Even if I could, who said my cable company would want me to, or not charge me by how much I stream?
B. Call me a nerd but I like have a highend computer in my house. Make that about 5 of them. And about 10 consoles.
C. This technology was going to revolutionize how we call do basic computing. How many of you use Internet base apps? No don't answer, you probably do. Leaving your data accessible to anyone.
D. It just doesn't make mathematical sense. Lets say they have a super computer that can do way more than any PC can. You still have to split the power for all the people playing. There is still a processing power per person dollar amount with the added streaming. It's just adding overhead that's not needing.
E. Many people on other forums are calling this out as a scam. It just has phantom computing written all over it.
i have read up on this and there saying the monthy fee is about the same as x box live like the guy said and the late .1 and if you buy the box to hook it to your tv that will be between 50-100$ and you can rent games or buy them they were playing crysis on it and said that it ran perfect that is what ign said about it not onlive. and they said for 480 you need 1.5m net and for 720 you need 5m net. sounds good to me i will check it out. hell you can hook up 4 wireless controlers and 4 bluetooth headsets and keyboard and mouse. i signed up for beta but thats not going to start till summer 09. so few months off i hope that i can test it see if it is legit or not. but if it is i will be the first one inline for it. /happy dance <no more having to buy new pc parts to play the latest games> if this takes off big i bet you will see sony microsoft nintendo selling there games on there too.
I don't understand why anyone thinks this is a good idea. Why wouldn't I want my own computer, with my own data, on my own drives? Especially with Internet companies moving more and more towards restricting bandwidth.
Most people are too dumb to realize that media companies are moving towards draconian measures to make sure that you continually pay for content you should really only pay for once.
Developers/publishers hate that you can pay for their game once and then do whatever you want with your copy of it (including sell it if you choose), and so they are all desperately searching for ways to transform their industry from a sales model to a rental model. That's the holy grail for these people, recurring revenue with bare minimum maintenance costs. If they spend enough marketing money dressing it up to look shiny and cool, the masses will likely lap it up and think its great, even as it takes away their freedom.
Personally, I don't buy digitally delivered content, both because I want a box and because I don't like the direction in which the industry is headed. The day I'm forced to use something like this, or even like Steam, is the day I stop gaming and come back around to the pile of novels on my nightstand. At the end of the day, these games are a luxury, and frankly one I could do quite well without.
Oh, and all of you get the fuck off my lawn.
While I don't mind digital download content, I know exactly where you are coming from.
A good example is the textbook I needed for a class this semester. It was available in hardcopy for $60 but you had to order it and it took weeks to deliver. It was also available as a digital download for $44, which is what I got because I needed the book right away for an assignment.
Here's the kicker though, the digital download could only be downloaded through a special software from the company, and I only have access to the book for 180 days. I am basically renting this book for a semester for a measly $15 dollars less than a hardcopy, and I have to read it off of a computer screen at that. It's a scam.
And the professor told us that the companies are REALLY pushing this digital "e-book" thing.
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This thing will be total asscrap. I doubt they get it working like they attend to... It need big connection or else your games look like crap and im pretty sure there will be lag too because of this so... Fine. Let them make their toy but im not touching it.
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Nice Trojan Horse, sorry but I don't want to pay for a console, then pay to access the service, then also pay for a game that I DONT PHYSICALLY OWN, and have to pay for the internet to play offline single player games.
Pretty much, you cant lend your games to your friends, no resale value forl your games and if you don't feel like playing, you still pay.
Pretty much if you support this system you sold your soul to the devil.
Not to mention our cable companies start charging us more. No more mods. For multilayer games this will be another step or two in the chain, further adding to slow down.
I can't believe that people get excited about technology that takes their personal computer stuff and puts in on a shared server under someone else control. And not just one parties control, but several. The Internet companies, the service provider, and the government.
More ways to charge you money, more ways to limit what you can do. China would love this, so they could limit how many hours people play MMOs which is something they really want to do. This could make that happen.
There was a reason we stopped using mainframes for home use, haven't you people ever watched TRON? One day the master control program will just decide to cut your access. Then you go to the head guy to find out why, he gives you some BS, so you find your girlfriends old hacker boy friend to help hack the system. Then he gets digitized and sucked into the mainframe and now has to fight on the game grid. NO THANK YOU.
Can't see this working very well unless you have AMAZING ping times. Every single action you take will be subject to lag. One of the biggest issues they have with VR and head tracking is that the slight lag between turning your head and software picking up the movement causes very bad motion sickness. You will have this type of lag for every single action you take.
The other issue is that lag is additive. Your lag to onlive + onlive lag to game server. I would rather play with lower graphics settings than be subject all the layers of lag. More so as I am an aussie and am lucky get get below 300ms to any US servers.
It's better if you FIRST read or listen to the interview about Onlive before making replies or comments about lag ......
Can't see this working very well unless you have AMAZING ping times. Every single action you take will be subject to lag. One of the biggest issues they have with VR and head tracking is that the slight lag between turning your head and software picking up the movement causes very bad motion sickness. You will have this type of lag for every single action you take.
The other issue is that lag is additive. Your lag to onlive + onlive lag to game server. I would rather play with lower graphics settings than be subject all the layers of lag. More so as I am an aussie and am lucky get get below 300ms to any US servers.
It's better if you FIRST read or listen to the interview about Onlive before making replies or comments about lag ......
What is your point? I watched the videos, and lag is still a valid issue. Just because the marketer for the product says lag won't be an issue doesn't mean it won't be an issue.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike Loved: Star Wars Galaxies Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
Can't see this working very well unless you have AMAZING ping times. Every single action you take will be subject to lag. One of the biggest issues they have with VR and head tracking is that the slight lag between turning your head and software picking up the movement causes very bad motion sickness. You will have this type of lag for every single action you take.
The other issue is that lag is additive. Your lag to onlive + onlive lag to game server. I would rather play with lower graphics settings than be subject all the layers of lag. More so as I am an aussie and am lucky get get below 300ms to any US servers.
It's better if you FIRST read or listen to the interview about Onlive before making replies or comments about lag ......
What is your point? I watched the videos, and lag is still a valid issue. Just because the marketer for the product says lag won't be an issue doesn't mean it won't be an issue.
Morning Ab, my point, read before replying, simple as that, did I say lag will not be a issue, no I did not, I just said it's better to listen/watch the interviews before commenting on lag, try and think alittle outside the box.......but don't worry thinking outside the box isn't the strenght of this forum for the most part, seeing issue''s before a product is released is much more in line with this forum I know..........
2. There is just this thing about owning a product, in this case, a gamebox with all the stuff often sold with them aka collectors editions etc
3. If you think DRM is bad, this is the ultimate DRM
4. Latency is, and will always be the enemy. Even a 100ms delay can make a difference, which is often quite usual when playing online. Sometimes it's even higher. Not everyone is on fiber, or can even afford the price to get the cable connected to their house
5. One service controlling everything is bad for competition. No competition means lower quality products, as proven time and again
6. Monthly fee? Many people got problems with that and rather own stuff as I said in point 2
7. Download limits? Many people got those. Streaming is quite bandwith greedy and it will fill up quite fast
This is a quote from someone on digg, this is exactly how I feel about this. ------------------------------------------------------------- Nice Trojan Horse, sorry but I don't want to pay for a console, then pay to access the service, then also pay for a game that I DONT PHYSICALLY OWN, and have to pay for the internet to play offline single player games. Pretty much, you cant lend your games to your friends, no resale value forl your games and if you don't feel like playing, you still pay. Pretty much if you support this system you sold your soul to the devil. --------------------------------------------------------------
Not to mention our cable companies start charging us more. No more mods. For multilayer games this will be another step or two in the chain, further adding to slow down. I can't believe that people get excited about technology that takes their personal computer stuff and puts in on a shared server under someone else control. And not just one parties control, but several. The Internet companies, the service provider, and the government. More ways to charge you money, more ways to limit what you can do. China would love this, so they could limit how many hours people play MMOs which is something they really want to do. This could make that happen. There was a reason we stopped using mainframes for home use, haven't you people ever watched TRON? One day the master control program will just decide to cut your access. Then you go to the head guy to find out why, he gives you some BS, so you find your girlfriends old hacker boy friend to help hack the system. Then he gets digitized and sucked into the mainframe and now has to fight on the game grid. NO THANK YOU.
Oh man... your TRON comment is pure win... LOL
That said... I fully agree with your post on the subject.
This is a quote from someone on digg, this is exactly how I feel about this. ------------------------------------------------------------- Nice Trojan Horse, sorry but I don't want to pay for a console, then pay to access the service, then also pay for a game that I DONT PHYSICALLY OWN, and have to pay for the internet to play offline single player games. Pretty much, you cant lend your games to your friends, no resale value forl your games and if you don't feel like playing, you still pay. Pretty much if you support this system you sold your soul to the devil. --------------------------------------------------------------
Not to mention our cable companies start charging us more. No more mods. For multilayer games this will be another step or two in the chain, further adding to slow down. I can't believe that people get excited about technology that takes their personal computer stuff and puts in on a shared server under someone else control. And not just one parties control, but several. The Internet companies, the service provider, and the government. More ways to charge you money, more ways to limit what you can do. China would love this, so they could limit how many hours people play MMOs which is something they really want to do. This could make that happen. There was a reason we stopped using mainframes for home use, haven't you people ever watched TRON? One day the master control program will just decide to cut your access. Then you go to the head guy to find out why, he gives you some BS, so you find your girlfriends old hacker boy friend to help hack the system. Then he gets digitized and sucked into the mainframe and now has to fight on the game grid. NO THANK YOU.
Oh man... your TRON comment is pure win... LOL
That said... I fully agree with your post on the subject.
I happen to enjoy upgrading my computer, i also enjoy sitting at my desk, ive no interest in playing games on my tv, my tv is trash compared to my pc set.
This thhing seems like excess garbage, illl stick to my pc. As long as devs dont get the bright idea to try and make this crap mainstreem then i dont care, it seems like gametap to me.
Im going to pay a premium sub fee, plus pay for the games just to play them on my tv, ill pass.
My internet company already hates me, i use 900gb+ of bandwith a month, pissed off they cant charge their stupid bandith fees, its not like ISP are prepared for a system like this.
And btw.. the pirates never lose. This wont do anything to stop piriating, that comment made me laugh.
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I happen to enjoy upgrading my computer, i also enjoy sitting at my desk, ive no interest in playing games on my tv, my tv is trash compared to my pc set.
This thhing seems like excess garbage, illl stick to my pc. As long as devs dont get the bright idea to try and make this crap mainstreem then i dont care, it seems like gametap to me.
Im going to pay a premium sub fee, plus pay for the games just to play them on my tv, ill pass.
My internet company already hates me, i use 900gb+ of bandwith a month, pissed off they cant charge their stupid bandith fees, its not like ISP are prepared for a system like this.
And btw.. the pirates never lose. This wont do anything to stop piriating, that comment made me laugh.
eh you don't have to play it on your TV if you don't want to. You can just play it on your PC as well, all you have to do is download a small plugin and you're good to go.
It will be great in the American/European/Asian market where the internet is far better than Australia in terms of speeds, download caps and pricing!
Its a great idea, but i think it will be a hit within another 5 or so years. I think its too early for this to take off seriously enough (worldwide).
Long term for PC gaming will be good without upgrading your computer, but we will see how things go. I would like to try it and see how it goes within Australia in terms of "lag" etc.
I will say that the bandwidth it will take to stream these games over the unit will be pretty high. So that rules out Australia straight away in terms of we have cap plans, i think we only have a couple of unlimited plans but you are paying a bloody fortune for those!!
In terms of speed, well i don't know how it will work is the server is located in America then streaming to Australia will be alot more distance with that. Saying that, they might also have like PSN have, Australia Server, US Server, Asian Server, Euro Server etc so it will minimizes the lag and streaming difficulties they might have (that will be when it really kicks off i reckon).
Other than that i really like the idea, and can't wait to hear more about it and see it in action. Ill def try it out here in Australia and see how it goes, just because im curious .
Most of my views are from Australian perspective, so this being in America where the server etc is located and the current internet plans etc are higher, might actually be pretty decent. Time will tell - might hear more at E3? .
Those who are wondering why anyone would want this should be aware of one thing: convenience. People don't have to worry about the location of their files, because no matter how they access the central cloud, they have all their applications and all their data. People also don't have to worry about how the applications become available. They are as simple to access as a streaming movie.
This isn't about games. It's about all software. Take this to its logical conclusion and you're looking at a few massive companies that provide access to all software packages using this technology. PC prices skyrocket because the demand switches to thin clients that only need to display streaming video from this new service. Eventually, the central clouds won't transfer files to and from PCs because that only supports the competing model.
I see this going the way of the big media companies, and leading to the death of the home computer. Lots of things can derail that, including very real possibilities such as the inept handling of this service or the lack of broadband. We just don't have the ability to keep everyone who uses a PC receiving a constant 5Mbps download. Perhaps that's why the service is starting out with something innocuous like games.
I find it ironic that the DRM stuff that the media companies have been trying to implement - and that people have been thumbing their noses at - may be replaced by something far worse. The consumers have proven so problematical that the big companies are going to try to end run them so that they don't even have a chance to interfere.
Those wondering why anyone wouldn't want this should be aware of two things: Security and ownership. Anything on a network is fair game to those determined to access it. Also, people like to actually own the things they pay for rather than rent indefinitely. It isn't about software, it's about data integrity, privacy and personal freedom. It's also about the "frod soup" method of price gouging that businesses seem to be in favor of nowadays. Why charge a one time fee when you can make them pay forever?
This will fail, and i am suprised you PC gamers do not see the flaw in this.
You wont have any software, you can't mod anything, its broadband only, and you will have no options to graphical quality, lets not forget this is the same as trying to watch a 780p video...only...that video is constantly changing and your input is also using bandwidth.
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Those wondering why anyone wouldn't want this should be aware of two things: Security and ownership.
You get no argument from me. I brought up the topic of convenience because that's what the folks who don't spend time thinking about stuff like this will base their decision on. That's the vast majority of the population.
We have the centralized industrial and service structure that we do for the sake of convenience, despite the fact that it leaves control of our lives in the hands of a small number of powerful people. I see no reason why this industry should progress any differently. The lobbyists will do their thing, convince our representatives that it's in our best interests to centralized data and software and a new centralized service will be born. And we'll be stuck with it for generations.
How do you communicate the importance of security and ownership to people who are primarily concerned with convenience and who will be told that their data will be secure and that they haven't lost ownership of that data. "We provide the home, you provide the data, and it's yours today, tomorrow and always. Guaranteed."
interesting subject debunked by a title that is needless. Why make it PC vs Consoles? Such pointless arguments when there is a merit in either. And not to mention if this does catch up it might also become a console thing. But whatever gives people their kicks... like the people who argue that WoW is the best thing ever. I'm sure it is all but all you're achieved is looking like the most utterly boring person ever.
Threatens console gaming? Actually this is a threat to PC gaming, not console gaming. OnLIVE the exact same thing as a console, it's just transfered entirely over the internet.
For a console user, this will change absolutely nothing. The only thing that changes is that they never have to buy new hardware again and they now get content streamed to them as opposed to a disk. However PC gamers will now lose a lot of things that set PC gaming apart from consoles. How ironic that after years of accusing console systems trying to be PC, it's now the PC industry becoming fully consolized and the best part of it is that PC gamers are cheering for it. So what does this means for PC gamers?
- You won't be able to use user created mods. There is no way OnLIVE is going to let you access their secured servers with your own modded content. - You will no longer be able to increase your system to get the best results, and apparently resolution is capped at 720p. It's pretty funny that the future of PC gaming is an online version of the console business. that is, if this thing is going to work in the first place.
If it works, it will be the best thing happening to gaming. And if new tech is going to replace old, so be it. I don't think we need to be PC gamers. We are gamers. If PC does not offer enough value, we move somewhere else.
I don't think mod will be an issue. 99% of the user created content is crap anyway. Of all the mods i have played, may be a few is even worth the time of the download and ALL are inferior to professionally created content. There are SO MANY games out there that I have a problem playing all the games I want. I won't have time to miss the MODs.
In the interview, the guy said that the resolution will be 1280x800 .. essentially HD. That is good enough. Stuff looks GREAT on my PC monitor at that resolution and great on my HD tv. I don't see a big issue of not being able to have a even higher resolution.
Furthermore, we don't have to do a THING when the quality of the graphics (3D rendering and stuff) will upgrade automatically when their server are upgraded. This beat BOTH the PC and console at it stands.
And there will be no issue of controls. I can still use all my PC controls (mouse + keyboard) and I don't have to worry about folders, where my save games are, and crap like that. Currently whenever i play a PC game, I always have to tweak the video setting (the automatic thing is NEVER right) and it is a pain in the ass. This will make everything more convenient.
I have 4 laptops and 1 desktop at home. Only ONE is powerful enough to play modern 3D games. This will allow ALL my machines to be able to play.
Aside from bandwidth needs, if this works, I don't see a downside and I would be HAPPILY switching from PC/console to this.
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Most people are too dumb to realize that media companies are moving towards draconian measures to make sure that you continually pay for content you should really only pay for once.
Developers/publishers hate that you can pay for their game once and then do whatever you want with your copy of it (including sell it if you choose), and so they are all desperately searching for ways to transform their industry from a sales model to a rental model. That's the holy grail for these people, recurring revenue with bare minimum maintenance costs. If they spend enough marketing money dressing it up to look shiny and cool, the masses will likely lap it up and think its great, even as it takes away their freedom.
Personally, I don't buy digitally delivered content, both because I want a box and because I don't like the direction in which the industry is headed. The day I'm forced to use something like this, or even like Steam, is the day I stop gaming and come back around to the pile of novels on my nightstand. At the end of the day, these games are a luxury, and frankly one I could do quite well without.
Oh, and all of you get the fuck off my lawn.
A. Right now I can't even stream netflix without buffering and I have a fast cable. And a game is going to have to do alot more on the back end. Even if I could, who said my cable company would want me to, or not charge me by how much I stream?
B. Call me a nerd but I like have a highend computer in my house. Make that about 5 of them. And about 10 consoles.
C. This technology was going to revolutionize how we call do basic computing. How many of you use Internet base apps? No don't answer, you probably do. Leaving your data accessible to anyone.
D. It just doesn't make mathematical sense. Lets say they have a super computer that can do way more than any PC can. You still have to split the power for all the people playing. There is still a processing power per person dollar amount with the added streaming. It's just adding overhead that's not needing.
E. Many people on other forums are calling this out as a scam. It just has phantom computing written all over it.
Don't know if someone posted this, but Epic is on the list, which is the publisher of Mortal Online.
Which FF Character Are You?
i have read up on this and there saying the monthy fee is about the same as x box live like the guy said and the late .1 and if you buy the box to hook it to your tv that will be between 50-100$ and you can rent games or buy them they were playing crysis on it and said that it ran perfect that is what ign said about it not onlive. and they said for 480 you need 1.5m net and for 720 you need 5m net. sounds good to me i will check it out. hell you can hook up 4 wireless controlers and 4 bluetooth headsets and keyboard and mouse. i signed up for beta but thats not going to start till summer 09. so few months off i hope that i can test it see if it is legit or not. but if it is i will be the first one inline for it. /happy dance <no more having to buy new pc parts to play the latest games> if this takes off big i bet you will see sony microsoft nintendo selling there games on there too.
Most people are too dumb to realize that media companies are moving towards draconian measures to make sure that you continually pay for content you should really only pay for once.
Developers/publishers hate that you can pay for their game once and then do whatever you want with your copy of it (including sell it if you choose), and so they are all desperately searching for ways to transform their industry from a sales model to a rental model. That's the holy grail for these people, recurring revenue with bare minimum maintenance costs. If they spend enough marketing money dressing it up to look shiny and cool, the masses will likely lap it up and think its great, even as it takes away their freedom.
Personally, I don't buy digitally delivered content, both because I want a box and because I don't like the direction in which the industry is headed. The day I'm forced to use something like this, or even like Steam, is the day I stop gaming and come back around to the pile of novels on my nightstand. At the end of the day, these games are a luxury, and frankly one I could do quite well without.
Oh, and all of you get the fuck off my lawn.
While I don't mind digital download content, I know exactly where you are coming from.
A good example is the textbook I needed for a class this semester. It was available in hardcopy for $60 but you had to order it and it took weeks to deliver. It was also available as a digital download for $44, which is what I got because I needed the book right away for an assignment.
Here's the kicker though, the digital download could only be downloaded through a special software from the company, and I only have access to the book for 180 days. I am basically renting this book for a semester for a measly $15 dollars less than a hardcopy, and I have to read it off of a computer screen at that. It's a scam.
And the professor told us that the companies are REALLY pushing this digital "e-book" thing.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
This thing will be total asscrap. I doubt they get it working like they attend to... It need big connection or else your games look like crap and im pretty sure there will be lag too because of this so... Fine. Let them make their toy but im not touching it.
the best way to kill a troll is to FLAME ON! ...or with acid...
This is a quote from someone on digg, this is exactly how I feel about this.
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Nice Trojan Horse, sorry but I don't want to pay for a console, then pay to access the service, then also pay for a game that I DONT PHYSICALLY OWN, and have to pay for the internet to play offline single player games.
Pretty much, you cant lend your games to your friends, no resale value forl your games and if you don't feel like playing, you still pay.
Pretty much if you support this system you sold your soul to the devil.
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Not to mention our cable companies start charging us more. No more mods. For multilayer games this will be another step or two in the chain, further adding to slow down.
I can't believe that people get excited about technology that takes their personal computer stuff and puts in on a shared server under someone else control. And not just one parties control, but several. The Internet companies, the service provider, and the government.
More ways to charge you money, more ways to limit what you can do. China would love this, so they could limit how many hours people play MMOs which is something they really want to do. This could make that happen.
There was a reason we stopped using mainframes for home use, haven't you people ever watched TRON? One day the master control program will just decide to cut your access. Then you go to the head guy to find out why, he gives you some BS, so you find your girlfriends old hacker boy friend to help hack the system. Then he gets digitized and sucked into the mainframe and now has to fight on the game grid. NO THANK YOU.
It's better if you FIRST read or listen to the interview about Onlive before making replies or comments about lag ......
Here > http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47080.html interview part 1
Here > http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47082.html interview part 2
It's better if you FIRST read or listen to the interview about Onlive before making replies or comments about lag ......
Here > http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47080.html interview part 1
Here > http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47082.html interview part 2
What is your point? I watched the videos, and lag is still a valid issue. Just because the marketer for the product says lag won't be an issue doesn't mean it won't be an issue.
Tried: LotR, CoH, AoC, WAR, Jumpgate Classic
Played: SWG, Guild Wars, WoW
Playing: Eve Online, Counter-strike
Loved: Star Wars Galaxies
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, anything sandbox.
It's better if you FIRST read or listen to the interview about Onlive before making replies or comments about lag ......
Here > http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47080.html interview part 1
Here > http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47082.html interview part 2
What is your point? I watched the videos, and lag is still a valid issue. Just because the marketer for the product says lag won't be an issue doesn't mean it won't be an issue.
Morning Ab, my point, read before replying, simple as that, did I say lag will not be a issue, no I did not, I just said it's better to listen/watch the interviews before commenting on lag, try and think alittle outside the box.......but don't worry thinking outside the box isn't the strenght of this forum for the most part, seeing issue''s before a product is released is much more in line with this forum I know..........
I see a multitude of problems with this:
1. User-created content will die
2. There is just this thing about owning a product, in this case, a gamebox with all the stuff often sold with them aka collectors editions etc
3. If you think DRM is bad, this is the ultimate DRM
4. Latency is, and will always be the enemy. Even a 100ms delay can make a difference, which is often quite usual when playing online. Sometimes it's even higher. Not everyone is on fiber, or can even afford the price to get the cable connected to their house
5. One service controlling everything is bad for competition. No competition means lower quality products, as proven time and again
6. Monthly fee? Many people got problems with that and rather own stuff as I said in point 2
7. Download limits? Many people got those. Streaming is quite bandwith greedy and it will fill up quite fast
8. Phantom console, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Phantom_(game_system) This been tried before, and failed and most probably will fail this time too
No, this isn't the future of gaming, it's just another console. Innovative, to a degree, though.
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Oh man... your TRON comment is pure win... LOL
That said... I fully agree with your post on the subject.
Oh man... your TRON comment is pure win... LOL
That said... I fully agree with your post on the subject.
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This thing sounds pretty gay...
I happen to enjoy upgrading my computer, i also enjoy sitting at my desk, ive no interest in playing games on my tv, my tv is trash compared to my pc set.
This thhing seems like excess garbage, illl stick to my pc. As long as devs dont get the bright idea to try and make this crap mainstreem then i dont care, it seems like gametap to me.
Im going to pay a premium sub fee, plus pay for the games just to play them on my tv, ill pass.
My internet company already hates me, i use 900gb+ of bandwith a month, pissed off they cant charge their stupid bandith fees, its not like ISP are prepared for a system like this.
And btw.. the pirates never lose. This wont do anything to stop piriating, that comment made me laugh.
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eh you don't have to play it on your TV if you don't want to. You can just play it on your PC as well, all you have to do is download a small plugin and you're good to go.
i dunno, but i guess this thing is conceptet for singleplayer games. in the last 3 years i bought 1 SP game... lol uninteresting for me.
It will be great in the American/European/Asian market where the internet is far better than Australia in terms of speeds, download caps and pricing!
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Its a great idea, but i think it will be a hit within another 5 or so years. I think its too early for this to take off seriously enough (worldwide).
Long term for PC gaming will be good without upgrading your computer, but we will see how things go. I would like to try it and see how it goes within Australia in terms of "lag" etc.
I will say that the bandwidth it will take to stream these games over the unit will be pretty high. So that rules out Australia straight away in terms of we have cap plans, i think we only have a couple of unlimited plans but you are paying a bloody fortune for those!!
In terms of speed, well i don't know how it will work is the server is located in America then streaming to Australia will be alot more distance with that. Saying that, they might also have like PSN have, Australia Server, US Server, Asian Server, Euro Server etc so it will minimizes the lag and streaming difficulties they might have (that will be when it really kicks off i reckon).
Other than that i really like the idea, and can't wait to hear more about it and see it in action. Ill def try it out here in Australia and see how it goes, just because im curious
Most of my views are from Australian perspective, so this being in America where the server etc is located and the current internet plans etc are higher, might actually be pretty decent. Time will tell
Those who are wondering why anyone would want this should be aware of one thing: convenience. People don't have to worry about the location of their files, because no matter how they access the central cloud, they have all their applications and all their data. People also don't have to worry about how the applications become available. They are as simple to access as a streaming movie.
This isn't about games. It's about all software. Take this to its logical conclusion and you're looking at a few massive companies that provide access to all software packages using this technology. PC prices skyrocket because the demand switches to thin clients that only need to display streaming video from this new service. Eventually, the central clouds won't transfer files to and from PCs because that only supports the competing model.
I see this going the way of the big media companies, and leading to the death of the home computer. Lots of things can derail that, including very real possibilities such as the inept handling of this service or the lack of broadband. We just don't have the ability to keep everyone who uses a PC receiving a constant 5Mbps download. Perhaps that's why the service is starting out with something innocuous like games.
I find it ironic that the DRM stuff that the media companies have been trying to implement - and that people have been thumbing their noses at - may be replaced by something far worse. The consumers have proven so problematical that the big companies are going to try to end run them so that they don't even have a chance to interfere.
Those wondering why anyone wouldn't want this should be aware of two things: Security and ownership. Anything on a network is fair game to those determined to access it. Also, people like to actually own the things they pay for rather than rent indefinitely. It isn't about software, it's about data integrity, privacy and personal freedom. It's also about the "frod soup" method of price gouging that businesses seem to be in favor of nowadays. Why charge a one time fee when you can make them pay forever?
I am all for this. I also signed up for the Beta.
This will fail, and i am suprised you PC gamers do not see the flaw in this.
You wont have any software, you can't mod anything, its broadband only, and you will have no options to graphical quality, lets not forget this is the same as trying to watch a 780p video...only...that video is constantly changing and your input is also using bandwidth.
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You get no argument from me. I brought up the topic of convenience because that's what the folks who don't spend time thinking about stuff like this will base their decision on. That's the vast majority of the population.
We have the centralized industrial and service structure that we do for the sake of convenience, despite the fact that it leaves control of our lives in the hands of a small number of powerful people. I see no reason why this industry should progress any differently. The lobbyists will do their thing, convince our representatives that it's in our best interests to centralized data and software and a new centralized service will be born. And we'll be stuck with it for generations.
How do you communicate the importance of security and ownership to people who are primarily concerned with convenience and who will be told that their data will be secure and that they haven't lost ownership of that data. "We provide the home, you provide the data, and it's yours today, tomorrow and always. Guaranteed."
interesting subject debunked by a title that is needless. Why make it PC vs Consoles? Such pointless arguments when there is a merit in either. And not to mention if this does catch up it might also become a console thing. But whatever gives people their kicks... like the people who argue that WoW is the best thing ever. I'm sure it is all but all you're achieved is looking like the most utterly boring person ever.
UPDATE: GDC Presentation of OnLive, 1 hour long video: http://www.gamespot.com/shows/on-the-spot/?series=on-the-spot&event=on_the_spot20090324
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
If it works, it will be the best thing happening to gaming. And if new tech is going to replace old, so be it. I don't think we need to be PC gamers. We are gamers. If PC does not offer enough value, we move somewhere else.
I don't think mod will be an issue. 99% of the user created content is crap anyway. Of all the mods i have played, may be a few is even worth the time of the download and ALL are inferior to professionally created content. There are SO MANY games out there that I have a problem playing all the games I want. I won't have time to miss the MODs.
In the interview, the guy said that the resolution will be 1280x800 .. essentially HD. That is good enough. Stuff looks GREAT on my PC monitor at that resolution and great on my HD tv. I don't see a big issue of not being able to have a even higher resolution.
Furthermore, we don't have to do a THING when the quality of the graphics (3D rendering and stuff) will upgrade automatically when their server are upgraded. This beat BOTH the PC and console at it stands.
And there will be no issue of controls. I can still use all my PC controls (mouse + keyboard) and I don't have to worry about folders, where my save games are, and crap like that. Currently whenever i play a PC game, I always have to tweak the video setting (the automatic thing is NEVER right) and it is a pain in the ass. This will make everything more convenient.
I have 4 laptops and 1 desktop at home. Only ONE is powerful enough to play modern 3D games. This will allow ALL my machines to be able to play.
Aside from bandwidth needs, if this works, I don't see a downside and I would be HAPPILY switching from PC/console to this.