Becareful while Testing Dx10

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S1GNAL · March 2009

Congratulation for playing AoC

Preacher26 · March 2009

May want to post your specs, been hearing alot of complaints from people running rigs that are not even compatible with DX10. My setup is average, nothing fantasic and although I did notice a slight decrease in fps DX10 looks amazing. It will get there.

cukimunga · March 2009

Wowie zowie that screenshot looks awesome. I never knew something like that could mess up your hardware.

AmazingAvery · March 2009

Originally posted by solareus

This map leak was so bad, the dust on the video card burned immediatley. Be careful on this kind of bull crap. You can damage your hardware instantly

Are you trying to say that DX10 can break your PC? or just AoC DX10 and not other games?

There will be some bugs because it is still classed as Test.

I know you have an 8800GT what temps do you know it is getting to, or your system Solar?

Don't you think your post comes across as a little dramatic?

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morbiddog · March 2009

There must be something deeply wrong with your hardware if it even let itself get above 100C any modern grfx card should shut off when it reaches those extremes of temperature

AmazingAvery · March 2009

Originally posted by solareus

My video runs normally runs at 80-96, when I saw the map leak I went to get the loc and upont steeping to it, my system smelled of smoke, I emmedialyy ctrl +alt+del to see the temps , My card spike to 189degrees. I've never seen that.
The reason that the tempature spike is the card took all of the entire game area on the outside of the map, and was trying to render it. That very well could of been gig a bits of negative allocated space, which in turn could of possibled dmoked my memory on the card.
This map leak is in DX100 oonly, upon returning in dx9, the leak is not visiable. Why a leak would render only in dx10 makes very little sense , unless Funcom redid the entire game world as dx10 instead of using the client the client to render the engine in compliance to dx10.
If I was in beta, I would try different drivers, cards and ect, but this is a over the couter prodduct, I bought it to play it.

Having your card get to a 189 degree's sounds a bit dodgy to me, if your card got that hot then it would be an issue with the card. First I would check the fan on the card and see what it is pushing. The card malfunctioning to begin with would cause the game to go bad, remember that is a possibility and to me sounds like it now.

I have 2 8800GT's in another machine, I have extensively tested AoC DX10 with 1 and 2 of them I don't get above 55 Degrees C. Even when crashed.

When a card overheats it can be for a number of reasons, but typically when it does it crashes your game or causes weird things. There is potential to say whether before or after the issue.

Sounds like you haven't go adequate airflow or cooling in your system and now that DX10 on AoC maybe pushing the hardware a bit more your seeing the result of this.

One would expect a drop in FPS and some DX10 bugs still as being a test, if the game crashes as you have witnessed your GPU shouldn't get over 100 degree's without a BSOD or system restart if you have your PC set up right.

All I am saying is it could be possibly a hardware failure too and I am in no way inferring that this is the sole case but comes across to me like that. Is your card overclocked?

Have you ever run 3dmark06 (free version) which would stress the system + card and at the same time monitored your temps, would be nice to see a comparison to pin point the issue.

Do you have general system temps or mobo temps?

To help out do you have the latest drivers?

Are you using an Nvidia mobo chipset?

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Look hope it helps, but really if your GPU got that hot, you should of experienced a system restart long before temps got that high.

AmazingAvery · March 2009

Originally posted by morbiddog

There must be something deeply wrong with your hardware if it even let itself get above 100C any modern grfx card should shut off when it reaches those extremes of temperature

That what I was trying to say above. There is built in protection to prevent such extreme temps which would cause a system restart or shut down, instead of leaving the game running to try and see if it works. Even on the Nvidia forums there are many users seeing much lower normal temps: http://forums.nvidia.com/index.php?showtopic=54946 it should never get that high.

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Kaelaan21 · March 2009

It's obviously the hardware. There is nothing on the cards that would allow itself to burn out. Even if a shader went hay wire and took up 100% GPU utilitization - your card would reach it's peak temperature and not go above it.

The only way a program can cause damage to a card like that if the program was designed to modify the clock settings of your card. Kinda like nTune.

Also, the temps listed were obviously in F. So, it was running at about 88 degrees at it's peak. Sounds to me that your card is having trouble being cooled with at 100% GPU utilization. I know you said that this is the first time it's happened to you, but most games do not use 100% - alot of the time it's waiting for memory to copy. Also, keep in mind - computers are a lot like cars these days. You could have a problem with your car for years and not know it unless you are in the right conditions.

Ubel12 · March 2009

Hey Sol, I also had an EVGA 8800 GTS card that whilst playing fallout 3, one of the memory modules got smoked and had weird artifacting afterwards that was non-repairable. I started to research this, and it seems a fair amount of these particular cards indeed do have memory problems. I am not discounting you or doubting you however. I am only wondering if your 8800 is about to go like mine did?

AmazingAvery · March 2009

Originally posted by solareus

To all other players be aware that the dx10 client is almost an alpha state. There is no where the proffessional approch that I've come a costumed to by Turbine. Think there is still some in house cleaning to be done at funcom for even thinking this was a great idea .
This is my second favorite mmorpg at the momment, reguardless of my input on the dx10. I don't deal in illusion of blaming people rigs when box LotrO and HG:L both run impressively in dx10.
One the buiggest problems with the community is complete ignorance, and blind devotion, it not only hurts community, but it cripples the progress of the game. If you don't understand negative mapping space and map leaks, get HL mapper or Hammer map editor and experiment, it is why I don't think it was of the leak, I know it was the leak. It is a nice diifference when you actually jknow what the fuck your talking about, instead of copying and pasting some bullshit about how gimp your rig must be.

There is no blind ignorance here, it seems your very arrogant in not considering all possibilites. You are testing a DX10 client from which it is also your responsibility to make sure your hardware is ok and to get best performance to make sure all drivers are up to date.

AoC DX10 is not lotro online "half a dx10". It is also not a finished DX10 client either. As pointed out there is an optimial GPU temp range for your card without your system shutting down as intended way before it reached those temps is a hardware problem and you wouldn't of got to the stage where your at now.

Simply put you would of experienced a crash for a test client and your card would not of got that hot. It would also be nice to send that in as a bug report too.

We all want the DX10 to work properly and not experience the issue you had with the map leak. The leak caused your GPU to overheat beyond it's recommended operating area, so why didn't your system shut down?

If you think that having the most up to date software for the components you brought is BS than that is blindness amongst ignorance that it could very well be a hardware issue to begin with. Your GPU could be on the brink of failing before even playing AoC and it just hiccup'd in AoC.

It could be any number of reasons why it got that high temp wise, a faulty product to start with causing the game to crash not to mention when the issue arose the hardware / system didn't do what it should of done. You found enough time to take a screen cap when that should never of happened.

You don't want to give us the make and model of the 8800GT nor any other system temps if you have them?

Only trying to help out!

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TsukieU · March 2009

Well, really you should be reporting this to Funcom not posting it here. Yes DX10 AoC is in a testing state and that is why it's on a server that has test in it's name. I do not understand the relevance.

Sevenwind · March 2009

Is that the frozen shaman in Ymir's Pass? If so I was there last night running DX10 on a ATI 3870x2 and it ran fine. The biggest problem I have is stuttering but I don't think it is enough to make me switch back to DX9.

Anyways I would do as some suggested and run some programs to see if your video card is failing. 3dmark should push your card to its limits. There is also other areas which is having the latest drivers from Nvidia and the latest DX runtime from MS. I've never heard of a game killing hardware on a PC. I could be wrong but that just doesn't seem likely.

Best of luck in getting your problem fixed.

nakuma · March 2009

i dont think you had your fan settings set properly, as well as having proper airflow to your car and in your case. I also find the fact your card rocketed to 189 degrees is that celius? or farhenheit? most cards list as celius if its fahrenheit its only 87.2 celius which isnt that bad, its a tad high but not to be expected when running on low fan settings and using DX10 in a game like AOC. if it was 189 celius=372 degrees f which is impossible as the cards usually shut down near 100 degrees celius as a form of protection. so your heat your dictating is both inaccurate and possibly untrue.

ITs possible that its a combination of driver incompatibility, client side DX10 incompability with AOC, the cards heat fan settings being too low, and as well as inadequate airflow. this can all cause tearing, graphical anamolies, as well as heat related hardware issues that are, deending on the severity, either temporary, or permanent.

i have a GTX 260 OC and i had to go into the settings and manually change the fan speed from 25% to around 80% this reduced the temps by 25-30 degrees celius easily. Also realize the GTX 260 OC has a really powerful fan, so past 80 % its really damn loud lol.

i also had a 8800 GTS 640 mb and had to do the same thing. as long as you do those small little changes/tweaks to the fan settings youll be okay. make sure not to blow the opening to the card too, and make sure u have at least a 80mm fan or 2 in the front of your case does wonders.

hell,once i have enough extra cash ill be going to back to AOC again. I can hardly wait.

nakuma · March 2009

Originally posted by solareus

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why u got to be a smart ass to people who are genuinely trying to help you eliminate the possibilities. either way, i Hope u changed the settings on your video card fan. and to the screenshot, i love parrallax mapping myself

openedge1 · March 2009

I think this applies to you

http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/12/nvidia-g92-and-g94-gpus-failing-too/

I also found another website that applied, but I was not allowed to post it.

Good day

clearSam · March 2009

code that can break hardware !

interesting, the only problem is that it doesnt exist.

the only kind of person who can claim that is someone who have no idea how a PC works, then again, why such people argue about technology?

Krayzjoel · March 2009

I resubbed to AOC couple days ago and was using DX10.

I run a window vista 64 premium with a 2.5 gig board and a geforce 9800gx2 1 gig video card. I have ample power supply.

1. for some reason the program upon booting up keeps going into windowed mode after its been checked to start in full screen.

2. Ive had to turn off my anti alias as I once had setting maxed out. My fps went up alot and the game looks good.

3. once in a while the client will lock up.

4. while speaking to npc's the choce wording becomes very large.

5. when too many ppl are on it gets a little choppy.

Ther thab these problems that have occured it looks fantastic!

Caligulug · March 2009

Originally posted by solareus

dx10 is in Alpha srtate

One year after the game was supposed to release with Direct X 10, remember it was on the box?!? LOL, Go funcom.

openedge1 · March 2009

Originally posted by Krayzjoel

I resubbed to AOC couple days ago and was using DX10.
I run a window vista 64 premium with a 2.5 gig board and a geforce 9800gx2 1 gig video card. I have ample power supply.
1. for some reason the program upon booting up keeps going into windowed mode after its been checked to start in full screen.
2. Ive had to turn off my anti alias as I once had setting maxed out. My fps went up alot and the game looks good.
3. once in a while the client will lock up.
4. while speaking to npc's the choce wording becomes very large.
5. when too many ppl are on it gets a little choppy.
Ther thab these problems that have occured it looks fantastic!

Yea, these are pretty straight forward issues. Going to 4 gigs for example can alleviate some problems of lockups..and like the minimized screen? I found out, you had to redo the screen resolution or else have this happen. So, these are solvable or reportable to be worked on.

But, ruining hardware? Yea, that one is rich. But, I already showed an article about these specific cards biting the dust, so depending on how long the OP has had that card (I remember him discussing it in the LOTRO forum for DX10, so it has been awhile), it could be one of the models that was ready for the right game to drive it into the ground.

Thanks AoC!

vardar · March 2009

like i said before, DX10 doenst really matter, when it comes out it comes out, when you have companies making games with graphics like Darkfall, AoC looks awsome......

Litigator_AB · March 2009

A bad version of DX10 cannot wreck your video card. If your card is put under stress and does not shut down then ANY GAME could do it.

It has nothing to do with Age of Conan.

Lit

Frobner · March 2009

I have heard of ppl having their graphic card overheating and yes - destroyed by AOC. I remember few posts on the beta forums about it. And I personally know one mate of mine that had his 8800GTX destroyed doing the Summoning cutschene at lvl 15 -18 (Instance just outside Tortage).

Like Funcom has stated - DX10 is not fully tested or even optimised yet. PPl are taking certain amount of risk and it should be noted. Cause Funcom will not pay for new Graphic cards.

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