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DF lovers would have taken anything
I think most of us have you figured out, DF fanboys.
You've been robbed of your preferred gameplay style for a decade (pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model). Actually I can sympathize, and I think that most people can. Show anyone their own personal nirvana just long enough then yank it away from them and it'll leave a bitter hollow shell of a person for a long time. And I don't mean that as a flame, I mean it quite sympathetically.
It seems though that a lot of you have been feining for that hit for so long that you will quite literally take, and have quite literally taken, ANYTHING that comes your way.
The same fanatical group has defended to the hilt almost every botched, craptastic launch and game since 1997, so long as the style of gameplay adheres to a purist open world pvp model. Darkfall is just the latest. The next big thing will see the same, and if it falls down as badly the same delayed recognition of reality will be in evidence.
So really we should feel sorry for this group. Not out of any sense of superiority, or any other negative connotation, but because this group of fellow PC gamers that has been routinely crapped on, lied to, dismissed and stepped on by opportunistic developers for longer and with more severity than any other.
Its unfortunate that many of them cling so tightly to the pipe dreams that keep coming down the road, and there is a lot of fault in that. And its practically undeniable that Darkfall sucks horribly.
But some of us understand, fellow gamers. The short end of the stick, for so long, sucks. Just try to recognize that short end a bit more often, and react accordingly, like the rest of us. Don't be such easy shills for the people and corporations that only care enough to take advantage of you.
End $0.02
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they aso think the game has no grind cause its skill based instead of lvl aswell gg lol
You're not quite as smart as you seem to think you are OP.
You think the short end of the stick is Darkfall, but the real short end is every other game in the MMO genre. Every developer that tries to capture a portion of the market instead of trying to make a game that's what they want to play is making the short end of the stick.
Darkfall was done horribly, the launch is the most pathetic thing I've ever been witness to, the communication at Aventurine is nothing short of dismal and the customer service is non-existent.
The reason people still want to play it is because the developers were trying to make a game that they wanted to play. I program a little, and I work in computer graphics so there's always been a little part of me that wants to make a game. I sat down and wrote the top ten features I'd want in any game I created and Darkfall has nine of them.
Where you're wrong about people that like Darkfall is in your basic assumption that smooth launches and perfect customer service equals a good game. Even as bad as the game is at launch people can see the potential of a game that's built not for how much cash it will generate, but for how fun it is to play.
I have no love for Aventurine, if another developer comes along and does it better I'll jump off the Darkfall wagon so fast it'll make your head spin. I won't ever play another WoW, or War, or AoC that is slick and smooth and lacking even the challenge of tic-tac-toe.
Asdar
True...and not at the same time
Darkfall AND all others since maybe....and only maybe...LotRO.....are the short end being reused for monetary gain.
At least LotRO was fun for a few months...to me that is
"This may hurt a little, but it's something you'll get used to. Relax....."
Could you list those nine of 10 features it has.. i think it maybe the only features left after they gutted the game from having cool stuff to look i have a stick and i kill you now game..
It's all about choices.
There are so many games out there that simply choosing one is impossible. The lure of wanting to see what's on the other side of the fence is too great. If MMO's were like console games then playing MMO's would be alot less expensive.
You get it. A lot of the old schoolers are grown up now and most of those aren't desparate or foolish enough to fall for such a lousy product.
Waiting for mortal online and earthrise.
I don't really NEED an MMO either. I know when you first start playing you think you can't go back to regular games; but then you begin to see the flaws in MMOs and you generally lose interest in them unless they offer something truely fantastic. You revisit the classics and single player games. If you're any good at FPS games you spend your time in popular multiplayer shooters.
That's why I'm really disappointed in the folks buying into DF right now; they think they're helping their niche out but all they're doing is giving it a bad rap.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
It is level based, they just haven't forced their minds to acknowledge it yet.
The "skills" only show improvement at predetermined points. Therefore, skilling up is in reality grinding from one improvement point to another. In other games, we call that leveling.
The "skill" system is just like Tasos. It tells you what you want to hear ( skills ) while actually giving you lesser ( levels ).
I dont' know. Almost 10 years ago, games like Darkfall or based in some of the premisses that support Darkfall were incredibly fun for me. But not now anymore.
I did tried to enjoy Darkfall. But couldn't. It didn't had to do with aventurine, or the graphics or any features that were cutted and even with Darkfall having a lot of problems, I don't really attack it. It's me.
I am not the same player I was in early 2000 or 2001 or 2002. My time is much more limited. When I sit down to play I am tired from work, from doing the same thing every day, from paying the bills, from dealing with my kids and wife (what is enjoyable none the less, but does eat time) to the point that, in the end, the time I have left for an hobby (playing a game) is extremely limited.
In the end i'm at a stage in life where I need a game that allows me to get in fast, do something, log out and don't worry about it. Imersion doesn't do the trick anymore when I need one eye on the screen and another on the kids to be sure they aren't doing something stupid like inserting their fingers on the power socket.
Themepark games suit that, sandbox games with FFA loot ruleset don't .
It is level based, they just haven't forced their minds to acknowledge it yet.
The "skills" only show improvement at predetermined points. Therefore, skilling up is in reality grinding from one improvement point to another. In other games, we call that leveling.
The "skill" system is just like Tasos. It tells you what you want to hear ( skills ) while actually giving you lesser ( levels ).
Spot on. What they disguise as a "skill system" is in fact levels 1-4. You get an increase every 25 skill points you grind. There is no difference from 1-24, then you hit 25 and ding. Same with 25-49, etc.
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Why are all these dumb guys above bothering to post all this articulate crap when it can easily be related to my above sentenceschwimm. Making a statement about DF has gotton to the point where it's just kids in a sandbox fending off jerkheads with their scooters trying to make the littler kids in the sandbox cry bcuz they got their scooter which gogogo, yet to do anything in sand you half to build. Sand was never perfect, but sand is sand. But the big bigger kids on scooters are still jerks that get popped in the face when they wreck a sandcastle.
If you must, I am the girl who watches the scooter kids get in a fight with the sandbox kids because they kept pushing them. Then all of a sudden the sandbox kids impaled the scooter kids, and in a ray of last resort, the scooter kids shanked the sandbox kids with a bobthebuilder screw-driver. Can we do it? YES WE CAN! But it's still prety stupid. So the little girl went crying home and said mommy mommy, theirs a bunch-a shit going on over at the sandbox yo.
I am in no way referencing random forum squander about darkfall, I just thought id shed some light on what happened when I was taking a trip across a park a while back. muahahaha.
Oh, I believe you were on a trip when you made this post alright.
Oh, I believe you were on a trip when you made this post alright.
Trip ??? this person is GONE i mean really GONE.. but i hope they enjoy the scooter and sandbox ....
Nope.
Assuming you're right and this is the same ppl who have been around for up to 12 years:
If they haven't learned anything after all those years, and still mindlessly and naively swallow anything they're fed, then they'll never learn. I can't feel sorry for someone who refuses to wake up and smell reality, after experiencing such over and over again.
Oh, I believe you were on a trip when you made this post alright.
Trip ??? this person is GONE i mean really GONE.. but i hope they enjoy the scooter and sandbox ....
"It's GONE, MacReady." -Garry (The Thing, 1982)
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Nope.
Assuming you're right and this is the same ppl who have been around for up to 12 years:
If they haven't learned anything after all those years, and still mindlessly and naively swallow anything they're fed, then they'll never learn. I can't feel sorry for someone who refuses to wake up and smell reality, after experiencing such over and over again.
"Fool me once..."
That immediately comes to mind.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I've been having daily adventures of great variety each and every day in Darkfall, none of it has been a grind. Were I playing another game, my adventures would be limited to watching my avatar auto attack a boar while my exp bar filled up... yeah, I can't believe the trolls are still swarming around this game, go bother Mortal Online or something now that this game kind of stomped on anything you said.
Darkfall Travelogues!
I've been having daily adventures of great variety each and every day in Darkfall, none of it has been a grind. Were I playing another game, my adventures would be limited to watching my avatar auto attack a boar while my exp bar filled up... yeah, I can't believe the trolls are still swarming around this game, go bother Mortal Online or something now that this game kind of stomped on anything you said.
So because you have a lack of imagination and/or drive to explore outside a quest chain, this makes other games bad?
Funny how you need a "sandbox" to do this, when I can find many things to do in a so-called "themepark".
I've been having daily adventures of great variety each and every day in Darkfall, none of it has been a grind. Were I playing another game, my adventures would be limited to watching my avatar auto attack a boar while my exp bar filled up... yeah, I can't believe the trolls are still swarming around this game, go bother Mortal Online or something now that this game kind of stomped on anything you said.
So because you have a lack of imagination and/or drive to explore outside a quest chain, this makes other games bad?
Funny how you need a "sandbox" to do this, when I can find many things to do in a so-called "themepark".
You'd need quite an extensive amount of imagination to create some kind of variety and fun in a theme park WoW styled game, believe me, I've tried. Even penning up characters and role playing, creating artificial roles and rules for myself... but its much easier to believe that I'm just stupid and Darkfall is all about grind...
Darkfall Travelogues!
I've been having daily adventures of great variety each and every day in Darkfall, none of it has been a grind. Were I playing another game, my adventures would be limited to watching my avatar auto attack a boar while my exp bar filled up... yeah, I can't believe the trolls are still swarming around this game, go bother Mortal Online or something now that this game kind of stomped on anything you said.
So because you have a lack of imagination and/or drive to explore outside a quest chain, this makes other games bad?
Funny how you need a "sandbox" to do this, when I can find many things to do in a so-called "themepark".
You'd need quite an extensive amount of imagination to create some kind of variety and fun in a theme park WoW styled game, believe me, I've tried. Even penning up characters and role playing, creating artificial roles and rules for myself... but its much easier to believe that I'm just stupid and Darkfall is all about grind...
I've been having daily adventures of great variety each and every day in Darkfall, none of it has been a grind. Were I playing another game, my adventures would be limited to watching my avatar auto attack a boar while my exp bar filled up... yeah, I can't believe the trolls are still swarming around this game, go bother Mortal Online or something now that this game kind of stomped on anything you said.
So because you have a lack of imagination and/or drive to explore outside a quest chain, this makes other games bad?
Funny how you need a "sandbox" to do this, when I can find many things to do in a so-called "themepark".
You'd need quite an extensive amount of imagination to create some kind of variety and fun in a theme park WoW styled game, believe me, I've tried. Even penning up characters and role playing, creating artificial roles and rules for myself... but its much easier to believe that I'm just stupid and Darkfall is all about grind...
I'm curious if you could provide specific examples of the adventures that you fill your time with each and every day? Forgive my saying, so but simply saying "I've been having daily adventures of great variety each and every day in Darkfall" seems to continue this tendency many DF fans have to speak of all these great things that happen in game, but always in general, non-specific ways... never giving specific examples of *what* they're actually doing, or what makes it unique from any other MMO out there (sandbox or otherwise). So if you could elaborate on that statement, it'd be cool
Also, while I realize it's a common (mis)characterization of so-called "theme park" games, if all you're doing is "standing around auto-attacking boars all day", then I would have to agree that it was a self-imposed limitation.
I've played sandboxes, and I've played "theme park" games... From FFXI to WoW to Eve to Ryzom... and a number of others. And I've found plenty to do in both, far beyond just "standing around killing boars".
- Exploring areas that I have no business being in, challenging myself to see how well I can survive.
- Going "off the beaten path" and doing quests or other odd tasks in areas I've never been to (I'm a sucker for the whole "ooh.. what's over there?" thing, often ending up dead when I find out)
- Getting *slightly* into my character (but not RP'ing) - mostly just injecting some of my own personality into it - and having fun with random players (have several quite funny stories about that)
- Helping others who need it
- Working on tradeskills, harvesting, etc
- Enjoying the storylines of quests as they play out (no differently than how I would enjoy a movie, or reading a book really)
- A variety of other things... but you get the idea.
I've done those same things in sandbox games and in themepark games. I found neither to be any more or less "restrictive" to me doing what I wanted to do.
The misconception I find about so-called "theme park" games is that you're *forced* to follow a single path or play a certain way. You definitely are not. There are many different paths and many different activities you could do. To reiterate what I said before, if you find yourself on a linear "treadmill", or standing around auto-attacking boars all day, it's a self-imposed limitation. I wouldn't necessarily say it's a lack of imagination... but definitely a lack of initiative.
The only difference I've found between sand-box and "theme park" is the presentation of the content. In a sandbox, there's a "setting" and there's a variety of things you could do and it's up to you to decide what. In a theme-park game, there's a lot of content, and a large portion of it is merely "packaged up" in the form of quest lines, and such.
At the end of the day, they're all grinds - by design. Don't kid yourself thinking "skill-based isn't a grind" any less than a "linear" "theme-park" is. Of course it's a grind. You're repeating a given set of actions over a period of time in order to progressively improve. The only difference is in how the progress is presented. The trick is: "Are you enjoying it".
In any MMO, you get out what you put in.
The whole "oh I won't play theme-park games.. I only play sandbox games" as it's often expressed around here comes across to me as a pretentious statement intended for nothing more than self-edification... or "epeen stroking" as some would put it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
"...or "epeen stroking" as some would put it."
Has everyone forgotten that "epeen stroking" will make you go "blind"?
DarkFall FAQ - Read then Question with Boldness
No we dont take anything ...Ignored PoTBS, TR, LOTRO, AoC, WAR and
finally DarkFall delivered for my playstyle.. i was very picky ..
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$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Selective reading at its finest.
The OP is stating that many DF fans were so desperate for a specific type of MMO, in their words: "pre Trammel UO being the most often recognized model".. that they would have taken anything promising to give that kind of experience.
And in that the OP is right. Many fans of DF themselves have said how they've been waiting and waiting for a MMO like what DF purports to be for years.. Many accounts I've read have said exactly that, that they've been waiting for a MMO like that since pre-trammel UO.
And, as I recall, DF was started by former UO players who wanted to recreate that kind of experience, correct?
But I have a feeling you knew that and, again, conveniently ignored it... It wasn't praising DF, so you had swoop in to counter it in some way.
To my knowledge, none of the MMOs you listed promised to be anything like that and, certainly, were nothing like that.
If you're going to respond to a post, at least respond in proper context.
What with fans like me who didn't play UO ? plenty of them rejected AoC , WAR, TR, PotBS and are happy with DarkFalls playstyle..we didn't all play UO to like DarkFall.i did not play UO
I think what WSIMike is saying (correct me if I'm wrong Mike) is:
"Any port in a storm".