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is Aion grindy? the math says yes!
I found this today and its graphs that ouline the ammount of grind xp and quest xp it takes to acheive certain levels.
elliotinaion.wordpress.com/2009/01/06/elyos-exp-chart-for-lvl-2040/
That grind looks kinda monster.
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Honestly a lot of people coming to this game from this community are players of FFXI.
Which had no quests that ever gave you exp as a reward, so frankly this chart encourages me a bit.
Less quest Exp = more need to party / more desire to party. (Or atleast this is my hope, as I really like party type MMOs)
How about just play the dam game and find out yourself and don't rely on some pie chart. There are people in china OB that are already lvl30 and it just launched a few days ago. BTW max cap in OB is lvl30, will be raised in retail...
Pie chart = fail
IMO
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I love the way the open beta is out and people are still making random speculations.
After playing the game, the grind is definatly nowhere near the same as the normal asian grinder, id put it closer to WoW before they changed the xp tables. The game is constant quests, so progressing does not take long. The game isreasonable from what i can see.
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It's not grindy. The thing is that mobs give way more exp than quests do. You get most of your exp by killing mobs for the quests you're doing.
These are all from the korean retail release so the still in beta argument really doesent apply.
Actually that chart is not 100% accurate there are a great deal of quests they left out.
Maybe you'd care to think for yourself.
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Have you actually played though?
They do a spectacular job of masking the grind by making the game itself enjoyable and entertaining, so regardless of what the numbers say, it really never seems grindy at all.
At least my experiences have been this way, going on level 17 on my Asmodian and haven't had this much fun in ages. I even grouped with three chinese earlier, was only able to communicate to them using emotes, and we all ran an xp group for around 2 1/2 hours (the point of this is, being grouped with three individuals I couldn't even properly communicate with proved to be enjoyable in Aion, that speaks volumes about the quality of the gameplay, for me personally anyway).
All im saying is if you dont think the korean style of grinding mobs for xp is fun you should avoid aion. If thats your thing on the otherhand, thats great more power to you, it seems aion will be the best of korean girnders.
You're assumption is incorrect though, as the game is primarily questing from start to endgame.
Grinding xp on mobs is completely optional, and in no way required to advance. You really shouldn't be "advising" anyone as to whether they should play the game or not, especially when you yourself are lacking in actual facts about the product you are attempting to inform others about (or in this case, mis-inform).
Do your homework, instead of seeing some numbers and then tossing out some blanket statements.
You're assumption is incorrect though, as the game is primarily questing from start to endgame.
Grinding xp on mobs is completely optional, and in no way required to advance. You really shouldn't be "advising" anyone as to whether they should play the game or not, especially when you yourself are lacking in actual facts about the product you are attempting to inform others about (or in this case, mis-inform).
Do your homework, instead of seeing some numbers and then tossing out some blanket statements.
Those are actualy facts and statistics from korean players. There is a link at the bottom of the blog post that will take you to the original post stateing that the graphs have been confirmed by a ton of players in the korean retail release.
Look if u dun like game just move along then no need to make a fuss abt aion being a grinder. Also the blog u posted , the author is known hater of the game .
IF u did some more research u find out alot ppl maxed there char in 1-2 month in the Korean retail , also every MMO has a grind it just depends how well a game can mask that.
IF taking 1-2 month to reach max lvl for in a MMO is too much u then , i suggest u go back to play TCOS.
If you also read the blog they pretty much grinded straight sometimes going days without sleep.
I realize they are from korean retail.
You still don't seem to grasp this extremely simple premise though, the game is not grindy, grinding is just an option. How much clearer could I possibly be?
Concede now, as you clearly have very limited information on the game and no personal experience with it at all. You really shouldn't be here, spreading disinformation and attempting to drive prospective players away from the game by posting some numbers from korean retail and then claiming the game is a grind. When it is anything but.
I read it, so what?
Grinding for days without sleep was PERSONAL PREFERENCE on the part of those players. Is it really that difficult for you to understand? this is getting comical now.
Keep entertaining me, this is a nice distraction from my coffee and morning paper.
As I remember from this discussion back when that blogpost was written it was concluded that:
1. The chart doesn't include exp gained from monsterkills etc while completing those quests. It was just the reward exp from all the quests put together.
2. It doesn't take into account repeatable quests and exp gained while doing those.
3. It didn't include exp gained from doing instances and other groupquests and stuff.
But I don't know. All the people who have tested it that I know of seem to think the grinding isn't a problem and that you might have to grind a few levels now and then if quests run out in your area. All reports I've seen puts the leveling time from start to cap around as long as it takes from 1-60 in old WoW. The grind for money is probably gonna be worse though.
Haven't played myself, but it seems benign.
and this suprises you how? If you look back at all MMORPG's created in south-east asia youd see that unlike their western counterparts are one continuous grind fest. The for some reason like a game that challnges them. Hell if you were to look at even the games created in the USA you'd see that even we make MMO's that grind fests. IMO all MMO's are grind fests and any MMO Developer that says otherwise is lying.
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lol u just basing all ur assumption from one source ,y not try asking some of non korean player who playing the korean retail .
Also i have friends who playing Korean retail ,i rather take my friends advice and compare them with different source to compare and then decide if they were lying .
But ur just blindly using that blog to say aion is a grinder because somone said so lol
Look if ur so conerned abt it being a korean grinder ,wait for a review then from a reputable site then decide .
Btw it seem no matter we say , u have already have made up ur mind abt the game already.
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What please is the difference between killing 100 wolves for a level and doing a quest for a level which commands you to kill 100 wolves?
I hope this game is more of a grouping MMO. I loved FFXI for the fact you needed to group a lot. I don't care to grind as long as I have people to bs with. I had many fun times grinding away in the same place for hours with my party in FFXI.
So let me make sure I'm getting this. The graph and following information, written by whomever, says that later in the game it becomes grindy. This is based off...well all it says is someone added it up. It then goes on to say that the graph is showing how much experience you get from turning in quests but not from the mobs you kill while questing. It also says that a large amount of the quests are "Kill X amount of mobs" quests.
It then says that some Chinese player named...well I'm sure he has a name but out of respect for him and his family I won't even try to not massacre it, reached cap(lvl 30) purely from grinding. Then a Korean fellow with an equally(I'm sure) difficult to pronounce-for me at least- name reached level cap "like few hours after' the initial Chinese fellow. Then some other guy leveled up by grinding while dual boxing with a dps class and a healer.
The author seems to feel that the amount of experience gained from the mobs you kill while questing is irrelevant. As is the amount of experience given from each mob that you kill. Or the quests that are just randomly excluded.
I seriously hope the creator of this mental abortion of a thread never plans on entering into any type of Journalism career. Or whoever wrote up the random scattering of what seems to be a failed attempt at impersonating the Queen's English around that idiotic and cherry-picked graph.
Cue the face palm.
I read it, so what?
Grinding for days without sleep was PERSONAL PREFERENCE on the part of those players. Is it really that difficult for you to understand? this is getting comical now.
Keep entertaining me, this is a nice distraction from my coffee and morning paper.
Hey you are probably just reading the comics in the paper anyhow. :P oh and the sports page
I think rather than bicker over numbers,people that claim to have played,should start sharing some of the FUN .I want to know they are not spewing BS when using that word,as i see it used often amongst the WOW community,but NEVER backed up.
Obviously for the players doing NOTHING but grind out end game level,there is NO fun or content in the game,all they logged in for was to watch a pretty number beside their name go up once every hour.You can tell that is VERY superficial gaming and the mindset of a child.Who cares how fast you can level?i know i don't,all that MATTERS and the majority always back this up,is the CONTENT of the game.
SO people that have the inside knowledge ,should start telling future wannabees about the games FUN content.You can even talk about individual classes and how they are fun to play.Like many in this thread have stated ,grind does not matter if the game MASKS it with FUN.So lets have it ,the FUN part?
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I read it, so what?
Grinding for days without sleep was PERSONAL PREFERENCE on the part of those players. Is it really that difficult for you to understand? this is getting comical now.
Keep entertaining me, this is a nice distraction from my coffee and morning paper.
Hey you are probably just reading the comics in the paper anyhow. :P oh and the sports page
I think rather than bicker over numbers,people that claim to have played,should start sharing some of the FUN .I want to know they are not spewing BS when using that word,as i see it used often amongst the WOW community,but NEVER backed up.
Obviously for the players doing NOTHING but grind out end game level,there is NO fun or content in the game,all they logged in for was to watch a pretty number beside their name go up once every hour.You can tell that is VERY superficial gaming and the mindset of a child.Who cares how fast you can level?i know i don't,all that MATTERS and the majority always back this up,is the CONTENT of the game.
SO people that have the inside knowledge ,should start telling future wannabees about the games FUN content.You can even talk about individual classes and how they are fun to play.Like many in this thread have stated ,grind does not matter if the game MASKS it with FUN.So lets have it ,the FUN part?
I personally just started playing today. Chinese OB with the English patch. It's the most smooth and reactive mmo I've played since WoW. The graphics are amazing for this venue of gaming. The queue was a bit long but unsurprising really considering the popularity of this game in Korea.
I don't have much else to give you as I only hit level 5 before I logged out but I can tell you that as soon as I get everything in my house in order for Easter tomorrow I'll be geeking out on Aion for most of the day and most likely the night as well.
Aion IS NOT a grinder.
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