people who say Darkfall takes no skill, have no skill.
does it not strike anyone as remotely far fetched that you can run and shoot arrows at someone slashing at you with a sword?
apart from it being physically impossible... archers are a ranged class... how on earth is it viable in melee range... simply because you can weave your mouse left and right... dont the characters move with any interaction with their surroundings... come on... I thought this game was the best thing since sliced bread... but that video just proves its even more bollox that wow.
{mod edit} The "Speed hack" he refers to is the accelerated playback he set when he edited his video. My guess is because watching the fight even slower would be even more dreadfully boring.
{mod edit}
LOL at mod edit, yeah pplz health goes down wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too slow. Make it more like Mortal Online lol. Though yeah this does take some skill to play out.
cheats are not widespread, that's crap. i have been playing since beta and i've only seen 1 speedhacker and that was weeks ago.
even the cheat sites say that not many people are doing it.
the "problem" is the same problem in every game since the damn of time: shit players accusing the game of not requiring skill and/or accusing other better players of cheating cause they suck.
I beg to differ this game is so badly coded that some of the hacks you dont even need to use a hack to get a similar effect.
they're called bugs.
and all new MMOs have them. even mature MMOs like WOW, EVE, etc introduce exploitable bugs with every new content patch. hell, WOW and EVE have some exploits that *still* work after 5 years of being out...
naive reply was naive.
oh wait right there.
Id damn post the link to the video that CLEARLY SHOWS OPENINGS IN AREAS OF THE WORLD UNDERWATER if it was allowed.
javac that is NOT a but, its called Bad programming for not filling up the voids. This is not texture thats bugged that after jumping /running ect lets you slip in. They are VISIBLE holes , areas where the textrue of one part does not touch the other texture.
and for the first 12 months of WOW i used to fall through the world and die and have to spirit rez almost every time i ever blinked on my mage over uneven terrain.
in WAR, there was a certain spot in destro keeps where you could fall through to the ground floor and/or place AoEs on the floor below and not get attacked back.
in EVE, since last patch i crash a couple of times per night when alt-tabbing out of eve and back again.
so blizzard, mythic and CCP are all bad programmers too according to you? ok, sure, whatever you say.
Huge differences what your trying to compare is apples to oranges.
Me being not only a beta tester from wow but played on and off for 4 years and even having a mage char i know your comment on blizzard is BULLSHIT. Yes you had the rare chance of poping under the world and dying , its was rare and DID NOT happen frecuently.
But wait that was not what i was talking about, the blink was a known bug in darkfall what i talked about and the link Mcquaided posted is proof of bad programming of not filling up the textures properly. you can go into these texture holes ALL the time this is NOT a bug. Also the difference is you do not die you get to travel under the world. Thus VERY exploitable.
The war one is very similar to the darkfall one however only in the area you describe which prob by now was fixed. Darkfalls problem is that its in most of the areas with big bodies of water even in some elf towns. The are easy to find.
As for eve I also play eve too, the reason for the crash when you alt tab is setting your shadows to high. if you set your shadows to medium or low the problem is 100% gone. Now if i am not mistaken dont people turn off the shadows in darkfall due to the lag problems that occur with it. how strongly it affects the fps that even you fanboys reccomended not to use it? In this case its quite the same for both eve and darkfall. having your setting all high especially shadows will cause you to lag and suffer huge fps loss in battles which is why only the pve players in eve use the shadows in high.
The reason why im typing this out is because there are major flaws in the map which people are taking advantage.
Instead of defending the game from me use this damn evidence and report it to av and see if the next patch they can add textures to these holes . Any game i enjoy playing i quickly report somthing wrong. Ive reported shit in wow, eve and other games i have played. you should do the same especially if your such a fanboy that you rabidly defend the game as perfect ignoring everything that can be gamebreaking.
Use this info to your favor go hurry and report it link the video or give em an idea where to look for it. help the small staff to make darkfall a better place.
I have been posting here alot lately , but i dont even play the game. the reason. People like you javac. The fact that you try to make darkfall as the golden gem in all mmos, insult other mmo games ect is what fuels me to search deep down and show that this golden gem is just fools gold.
Why not take the pargus1 approach. he plays darkfall, he even blogs about it and is always finding new news to report to the fans and everyone else alike of things we did not know exsisted. Like the new tank like siege thingy. However Pargus1 also reconizes the game has its flaws, its not perfect and its not for everyone. Also he does not go around dissing other players who tried the game and were unhappy or bashes other games. all he does is reports what he sees in a professional manner that only the real haters actually will try to take a bite at him. There is a reason why most of the skeptics and non players respect him or dont go after him. you wanna know why. BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIE, SUGARCOAT THE DAMN GAME . Take some classes from him, read his blogs. I have and enjoyed them hes a good writer.
I've never falled through the world in Darkfall. Equates to your rant saying you've never fallen through WoW's world when others have.
He uses a turn macro. how do I know? because I have played the game, I know the game and I am good at the game. The macro he is using doesn't shoot for him, it gives him extra time to aim rather than doing a manual 180 turn. And I highly doubt you can do a perfect 180 turn better than a macro can. Get a clue or STFU.
A turn macro cannot make you turn any faster than turning with the mouse manually. If you had a clue about how macros work, they simply mimick human input. all you need is high mouse sensitivity and.... skill. get a clue indeed.
Besides, you're missing the point: it doesn't matter whether he macros the turn or not, he won the fight and attended macroing is allowed. It doesn't matter.
You can't track a conversation worth shit. Where did he say ANYTHING about turn speed? Did you give yourself a high five for this post too? No, YOU are missing the point, Macros are the direct opposite of skill.
Macroing the crafting system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing the skill up system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing parts of combat == Skilless.
You're saying FPS games take no skill?
I said nothing of the sort, you really need to learn to read, and track a conversation.
you said: "Macros are the direct opposite of skill", every FPS i've ever played has had macros (same as DF), therefore by logical induction you're saying that FPS does not involve skill because it involves macros. learn to read indeed.
this just in: crappy player uses classic "blame the game/mechanics" defence to explain why they keep losing.
people who say Darkfall takes no skill, have no skill.
does it not strike anyone as remotely far fetched that you can run and shoot arrows at someone slashing at you with a sword?
apart from it being physically impossible... archers are a ranged class... how on earth is it viable in melee range... simply because you can weave your mouse left and right... dont the characters move with any interaction with their surroundings... come on... I thought this game was the best thing since sliced bread... but that video just proves its even more bollox that wow.
so WOW's special attacks are more realistic than a guy with a bow running from a guy with a melee weapon? hmmmm ok....
people who say Darkfall takes no skill, have no skill.
does it not strike anyone as remotely far fetched that you can run and shoot arrows at someone slashing at you with a sword?
apart from it being physically impossible... archers are a ranged class... how on earth is it viable in melee range... simply because you can weave your mouse left and right... dont the characters move with any interaction with their surroundings... come on... I thought this game was the best thing since sliced bread... but that video just proves its even more bollox that wow.
so WOW's special attacks are more realistic than a guy with a bow running from a guy with a melee weapon? hmmmm ok....
I think the "realism" in this case might actually be WoW more fluid animation as opposed to DFs incredibly bad movement. Yes movement is an important part of believing a game world and charector is realistic.
And yes those tanks dont have wheels because they could not be bothered doing animations for them. Don't think otherwise.
He uses a turn macro. how do I know? because I have played the game, I know the game and I am good at the game. The macro he is using doesn't shoot for him, it gives him extra time to aim rather than doing a manual 180 turn. And I highly doubt you can do a perfect 180 turn better than a macro can. Get a clue or STFU.
A turn macro cannot make you turn any faster than turning with the mouse manually. If you had a clue about how macros work, they simply mimick human input. all you need is high mouse sensitivity and.... skill. get a clue indeed.
Besides, you're missing the point: it doesn't matter whether he macros the turn or not, he won the fight and attended macroing is allowed. It doesn't matter.
You can't track a conversation worth shit. Where did he say ANYTHING about turn speed? Did you give yourself a high five for this post too? No, YOU are missing the point, Macros are the direct opposite of skill.
Macroing the crafting system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing the skill up system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing parts of combat == Skilless.
You're saying FPS games take no skill?
I said nothing of the sort, you really need to learn to read, and track a conversation.
you said: "Macros are the direct opposite of skill", every FPS i've ever played has had macros (same as DF), therefore by logical induction you're saying that FPS does not involve skill because it involves macros. learn to read indeed.
this just in: crappy player uses classic "blame the game/mechanics" defence to explain why they keep losing.
qqqqqq.
Good lord, you are a very SPECIAL person. It's like I am talking to my Nephew.
Look, the OP (That's you) posted a video talking about how much skill you need to have to play darkfall, not realizing he just posted a video of someone using a 3ed party macro to automate his combat. THE USE of a macro negates the claim of skill, even if it’s possible to use it in a game. Period.
Most people USE macros to get by systems that are not fun, or rewarding, then there are some, like the OP (You again) that simply want to get ahead, and would use any means to do so anyway, all while /flexing his "Skill". I said nothing about the requirements of skill in Darkfall, or FPS's. Macros for combat are the crutch of the unskilled, just like (as I said before, in this thread) it was in Quake. The comments about using macros to skill up, or craft, are called, a DIFFRENT SUBJECT. Yes, conversations and discussions can have more than one topic. It’s amazing.
Here is another one, If they ever fix all the exploits, and ban the use of macros completely, watch the player population drop to nill.
The world is not 1 and 0, nor is it black and white.
Let me know if I need to draw you a picture.
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
Sadly, some of us got to beta test Darkfall Online. The PvP is a joke for someone who has no real skill what so ever. The video posted by the op just shows what I am talking about. Any 10 year old kid playing WoW can run, click and jump and lose most of their fights horribly and then blame the game for why they suck. What is even more funny is all the people making excuses why they lost a fight.
Fixed that for you. Suppose you complain that FPS takes no skill either? /boggle
ps: obvious skill-less apologists are obviously skill-less.
LOL.. No, Darkfall's PvP requires no skill... just reflexes. My mind was on autopilot and not needed when I played.
Many played Darkfall and simply didn't like the dumbed down, fisher price style of combat. It's extremely slow and lathargic! The User Interface and lack of a real hotbar makes the game laughable and clunky. Even whith weapon changes macroed, I found the game to be pathetically mindless and slow paced, etc.
Combat in Darkfall is extremely one dimensional and I could not duck a swing, jump up onto a rock, pull out my bow and start firing. Or even alter my swings from overhead to slath each swing (no real hotbar). I was limited to what Aventurien thought combat should be like... which is just softcore and painfully slow zerging. You have to peel back every aspect of this game and in the end, the reason why battles are so big, is because PvP is just plain boring, so more people are needed to spice it up.
I've just recently downloaded and started playing Chronicles of Spellborn and I flipped out. That game is everything i wanted Darkfall to be. I cannot understand how that game went under my radar for so long. Yeah.. I knew what it was about, but I had no idea PvP was so intense and dynamic. The skill tree is awsome.
Anyways... for Javac. Here is an awsome 1 vs 1 PVP Video . (That is real combat, with real time counter moves, that require THOUGHT and not just natural reflexes. This game more than just swinging a sword)
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does it not strike anyone as remotely far fetched that you can run and shoot arrows at someone slashing at you with a sword?
apart from it being physically impossible... archers are a ranged class... how on earth is it viable in melee range... simply because you can weave your mouse left and right... dont the characters move with any interaction with their surroundings... come on... I thought this game was the best thing since sliced bread... but that video just proves its even more bollox that wow.
it looks like they were using the old quake macro with the spin 180 shoot. That, and this is simply a really bad Melee system.
How about a real Melee combat system that takes skill?
god damn savage 2 makes darkfalls combat look like utter shit !
Im going to sell you a dream.
LOL at mod edit, yeah pplz health goes down wAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too slow. Make it more like Mortal Online lol. Though yeah this does take some skill to play out.
When I'm energetic I'm:
the Magic: The Gathering 'What Color Are You?' Quiz.
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it looks like they were using the old quake macro with the spin 180 shoot. That, and this is simply a really bad Melee system.
How about a real Melee combat system that takes skill?
god damn savage 2 makes darkfalls combat look like utter shit !
Savage 2 is not an MMO.
I beg to differ this game is so badly coded that some of the hacks you dont even need to use a hack to get a similar effect.
they're called bugs.
and all new MMOs have them. even mature MMOs like WOW, EVE, etc introduce exploitable bugs with every new content patch. hell, WOW and EVE have some exploits that *still* work after 5 years of being out...
naive reply was naive.
oh wait right there.
Id damn post the link to the video that CLEARLY SHOWS OPENINGS IN AREAS OF THE WORLD UNDERWATER if it was allowed.
javac that is NOT a but, its called Bad programming for not filling up the voids. This is not texture thats bugged that after jumping /running ect lets you slip in. They are VISIBLE holes , areas where the textrue of one part does not touch the other texture.
and for the first 12 months of WOW i used to fall through the world and die and have to spirit rez almost every time i ever blinked on my mage over uneven terrain.
in WAR, there was a certain spot in destro keeps where you could fall through to the ground floor and/or place AoEs on the floor below and not get attacked back.
in EVE, since last patch i crash a couple of times per night when alt-tabbing out of eve and back again.
so blizzard, mythic and CCP are all bad programmers too according to you? ok, sure, whatever you say.
Huge differences what your trying to compare is apples to oranges.
Me being not only a beta tester from wow but played on and off for 4 years and even having a mage char i know your comment on blizzard is BULLSHIT. Yes you had the rare chance of poping under the world and dying , its was rare and DID NOT happen frecuently.
But wait that was not what i was talking about, the blink was a known bug in darkfall what i talked about and the link Mcquaided posted is proof of bad programming of not filling up the textures properly. you can go into these texture holes ALL the time this is NOT a bug. Also the difference is you do not die you get to travel under the world. Thus VERY exploitable.
The war one is very similar to the darkfall one however only in the area you describe which prob by now was fixed. Darkfalls problem is that its in most of the areas with big bodies of water even in some elf towns. The are easy to find.
As for eve I also play eve too, the reason for the crash when you alt tab is setting your shadows to high. if you set your shadows to medium or low the problem is 100% gone. Now if i am not mistaken dont people turn off the shadows in darkfall due to the lag problems that occur with it. how strongly it affects the fps that even you fanboys reccomended not to use it? In this case its quite the same for both eve and darkfall. having your setting all high especially shadows will cause you to lag and suffer huge fps loss in battles which is why only the pve players in eve use the shadows in high.
The reason why im typing this out is because there are major flaws in the map which people are taking advantage.
Instead of defending the game from me use this damn evidence and report it to av and see if the next patch they can add textures to these holes . Any game i enjoy playing i quickly report somthing wrong. Ive reported shit in wow, eve and other games i have played. you should do the same especially if your such a fanboy that you rabidly defend the game as perfect ignoring everything that can be gamebreaking.
Use this info to your favor go hurry and report it link the video or give em an idea where to look for it. help the small staff to make darkfall a better place.
I have been posting here alot lately , but i dont even play the game. the reason. People like you javac. The fact that you try to make darkfall as the golden gem in all mmos, insult other mmo games ect is what fuels me to search deep down and show that this golden gem is just fools gold.
Why not take the pargus1 approach. he plays darkfall, he even blogs about it and is always finding new news to report to the fans and everyone else alike of things we did not know exsisted. Like the new tank like siege thingy. However Pargus1 also reconizes the game has its flaws, its not perfect and its not for everyone. Also he does not go around dissing other players who tried the game and were unhappy or bashes other games. all he does is reports what he sees in a professional manner that only the real haters actually will try to take a bite at him. There is a reason why most of the skeptics and non players respect him or dont go after him. you wanna know why. BECAUSE HE DOESNT LIE, SUGARCOAT THE DAMN GAME . Take some classes from him, read his blogs. I have and enjoyed them hes a good writer.
I've never falled through the world in Darkfall. Equates to your rant saying you've never fallen through WoW's world when others have.
A turn macro cannot make you turn any faster than turning with the mouse manually. If you had a clue about how macros work, they simply mimick human input. all you need is high mouse sensitivity and.... skill. get a clue indeed.
Besides, you're missing the point: it doesn't matter whether he macros the turn or not, he won the fight and attended macroing is allowed. It doesn't matter.
You can't track a conversation worth shit. Where did he say ANYTHING about turn speed? Did you give yourself a high five for this post too? No, YOU are missing the point, Macros are the direct opposite of skill.
Macroing the crafting system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing the skill up system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing parts of combat == Skilless.
You're saying FPS games take no skill?
I said nothing of the sort, you really need to learn to read, and track a conversation.
you said: "Macros are the direct opposite of skill", every FPS i've ever played has had macros (same as DF), therefore by logical induction you're saying that FPS does not involve skill because it involves macros. learn to read indeed.
this just in: crappy player uses classic "blame the game/mechanics" defence to explain why they keep losing.
qqqqqq.
does it not strike anyone as remotely far fetched that you can run and shoot arrows at someone slashing at you with a sword?
apart from it being physically impossible... archers are a ranged class... how on earth is it viable in melee range... simply because you can weave your mouse left and right... dont the characters move with any interaction with their surroundings... come on... I thought this game was the best thing since sliced bread... but that video just proves its even more bollox that wow.
so WOW's special attacks are more realistic than a guy with a bow running from a guy with a melee weapon? hmmmm ok....
does it not strike anyone as remotely far fetched that you can run and shoot arrows at someone slashing at you with a sword?
apart from it being physically impossible... archers are a ranged class... how on earth is it viable in melee range... simply because you can weave your mouse left and right... dont the characters move with any interaction with their surroundings... come on... I thought this game was the best thing since sliced bread... but that video just proves its even more bollox that wow.
so WOW's special attacks are more realistic than a guy with a bow running from a guy with a melee weapon? hmmmm ok....
I think the "realism" in this case might actually be WoW more fluid animation as opposed to DFs incredibly bad movement. Yes movement is an important part of believing a game world and charector is realistic.
And yes those tanks dont have wheels because they could not be bothered doing animations for them. Don't think otherwise.
WoW's combat would be greater than Darkfall if spells didn't autotrack and skills/melee didn't autohit. So currently Darkfall's combat > WoW's combat.
A turn macro cannot make you turn any faster than turning with the mouse manually. If you had a clue about how macros work, they simply mimick human input. all you need is high mouse sensitivity and.... skill. get a clue indeed.
Besides, you're missing the point: it doesn't matter whether he macros the turn or not, he won the fight and attended macroing is allowed. It doesn't matter.
You can't track a conversation worth shit. Where did he say ANYTHING about turn speed? Did you give yourself a high five for this post too? No, YOU are missing the point, Macros are the direct opposite of skill.
Macroing the crafting system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing the skill up system == The system is not fun/Rewarding.
Macroing parts of combat == Skilless.
You're saying FPS games take no skill?
I said nothing of the sort, you really need to learn to read, and track a conversation.
you said: "Macros are the direct opposite of skill", every FPS i've ever played has had macros (same as DF), therefore by logical induction you're saying that FPS does not involve skill because it involves macros. learn to read indeed.
this just in: crappy player uses classic "blame the game/mechanics" defence to explain why they keep losing.
qqqqqq.
Good lord, you are a very SPECIAL person. It's like I am talking to my Nephew.
Look, the OP (That's you) posted a video talking about how much skill you need to have to play darkfall, not realizing he just posted a video of someone using a 3ed party macro to automate his combat. THE USE of a macro negates the claim of skill, even if it’s possible to use it in a game. Period.
Most people USE macros to get by systems that are not fun, or rewarding, then there are some, like the OP (You again) that simply want to get ahead, and would use any means to do so anyway, all while /flexing his "Skill". I said nothing about the requirements of skill in Darkfall, or FPS's. Macros for combat are the crutch of the unskilled, just like (as I said before, in this thread) it was in Quake. The comments about using macros to skill up, or craft, are called, a DIFFRENT SUBJECT. Yes, conversations and discussions can have more than one topic. It’s amazing.
Here is another one, If they ever fix all the exploits, and ban the use of macros completely, watch the player population drop to nill.
The world is not 1 and 0, nor is it black and white.
Let me know if I need to draw you a picture.
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"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Fixed that for you. Suppose you complain that FPS takes no skill either? /boggle
ps: obvious skill-less apologists are obviously skill-less.
LOL.. No, Darkfall's PvP requires no skill... just reflexes. My mind was on autopilot and not needed when I played.
Many played Darkfall and simply didn't like the dumbed down, fisher price style of combat. It's extremely slow and lathargic! The User Interface and lack of a real hotbar makes the game laughable and clunky. Even whith weapon changes macroed, I found the game to be pathetically mindless and slow paced, etc.
Combat in Darkfall is extremely one dimensional and I could not duck a swing, jump up onto a rock, pull out my bow and start firing. Or even alter my swings from overhead to slath each swing (no real hotbar). I was limited to what Aventurien thought combat should be like... which is just softcore and painfully slow zerging. You have to peel back every aspect of this game and in the end, the reason why battles are so big, is because PvP is just plain boring, so more people are needed to spice it up.
I've just recently downloaded and started playing Chronicles of Spellborn and I flipped out. That game is everything i wanted Darkfall to be. I cannot understand how that game went under my radar for so long. Yeah.. I knew what it was about, but I had no idea PvP was so intense and dynamic. The skill tree is awsome.
Anyways... for Javac. Here is an awsome 1 vs 1 PVP Video . (That is real combat, with real time counter moves, that require THOUGHT and not just natural reflexes. This game more than just swinging a sword)