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Has Darkfall released or not? Are MMORPG.com going to make a decision?
My question as above is, does this site consider this game to have released or not? I'm asking as DFO has been taken out of games in development shortly after mid Feburary, but still is yet to enter the released games category.
So what is the official stance of this site? It seems they have DFO in an unofficial "limbo" category and it is starting to irritate me. What I'm saying is that a game has either released or it hasn't, there are no two ways around it. Will someone at MMORPG.com please decide if this game fits the criteria for released or not then put it in the proper pigeon hole?
We've gone over two months now in limbo, so can someone bang their heads together and get a decision please? Or perhaps create a new limbo category for games such as DFO that haven't released but are no longer considered in development?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
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But obviously the status of final doesn't equate to released otherwise it'd be listed under released games yes? And since they no longer consider it in development as they moved it from there, what does MMORPG.com consider DFO? I'm just curious and would like to know what MMORPG.com consider it, unless they consider it released but not important enough to list under released games, which is very hard to believe.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
how can mmorpg.com decide if it's released or not, when not even aventurine can tell you if it's released or not?!
But obviously the status of final doesn't equate to released otherwise it'd be listed under released games yes? And since they no longer consider it in development as they moved it from there, what does MMORPG.com consider DFO? I'm just curious and would like to know what MMORPG.com consider it, unless they consider it released but not important enough to list under released games, which is very hard to believe.
You answered it yourself.
Actually, all joking aside - I wouldn't actually call it released until the general public is allowed to purchase it. Currently, unless it was recently changed, it comes down to something simular to drawing names out of a hat.
But obviously the status of final doesn't equate to released otherwise it'd be listed under released games yes? And since they no longer consider it in development as they moved it from there, what does MMORPG.com consider DFO? I'm just curious and would like to know what MMORPG.com consider it, unless they consider it released but not important enough to list under released games, which is very hard to believe.
You would not get a satisfactory answer on this if you went to Darkfall itself. Having said that however the game (like most mmorpg) is under constant development and currently they have been having weekly patches to add new features and address tech and player issues.
If you consider a game to be released by whether people are paying to play it then the answer is yes it is released.
It's released to limited number of people.
Thus it's released, not the atypical mmo release but it's out.
But obviously the status of final doesn't equate to released otherwise it'd be listed under released games yes? And since they no longer consider it in development as they moved it from there, what does MMORPG.com consider DFO? I'm just curious and would like to know what MMORPG.com consider it, unless they consider it released but not important enough to list under released games, which is very hard to believe.
Why do you think it's not under released games? If you click on the top 5 released games their status is 'Final' also.
But obviously the status of final doesn't equate to released otherwise it'd be listed under released games yes? And since they no longer consider it in development as they moved it from there, what does MMORPG.com consider DFO? I'm just curious and would like to know what MMORPG.com consider it, unless they consider it released but not important enough to list under released games, which is very hard to believe.
Why do you think it's not under released games? If you click on the top 5 released games their status is 'Final' also.
Well I'm not giving my opinion nor asking for anyone elses, but perhaps opinions on MMORPG.coms stance. To answer you, if you look on the left beneath "Popular Game Forums" under "Released Games" DFO isn't listed. Yet is was listed under "Games in Development" two months ago. So I'm interested in what the deal is at MMORPG.com, what do they consider the status of DFO to be? Do they consider it released yet unpopular? Do they consider it released at all? What do they consider it exactly?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
But obviously the status of final doesn't equate to released otherwise it'd be listed under released games yes? And since they no longer consider it in development as they moved it from there, what does MMORPG.com consider DFO? I'm just curious and would like to know what MMORPG.com consider it, unless they consider it released but not important enough to list under released games, which is very hard to believe.
Why do you think it's not under released games? If you click on the top 5 released games their status is 'Final' also.
Well I'm not giving my opinion nor asking for anyone elses, but perhaps opinions on MMORPG.coms stance. To answer you, if you look on the left beneath "Popular Game Forums" under "Released Games" DFO isn't listed. Yet is was listed under "Games in Development" two months ago. So I'm interested in what the deal is at MMORPG.com, what do they consider the status of DFO to be? Do they consider it released yet unpopular? Do they consider it released at all? What do they consider it exactly?
It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.1, it's current rating is 6.6. Didregard this, I was didn't read what you qrote.
But obviously the status of final doesn't equate to released otherwise it'd be listed under released games yes? And since they no longer consider it in development as they moved it from there, what does MMORPG.com consider DFO? I'm just curious and would like to know what MMORPG.com consider it, unless they consider it released but not important enough to list under released games, which is very hard to believe.
Why do you think it's not under released games? If you click on the top 5 released games their status is 'Final' also.
Well I'm not giving my opinion nor asking for anyone elses, but perhaps opinions on MMORPG.coms stance. To answer you, if you look on the left beneath "Popular Game Forums" under "Released Games" DFO isn't listed. Yet is was listed under "Games in Development" two months ago. So I'm interested in what the deal is at MMORPG.com, what do they consider the status of DFO to be? Do they consider it released yet unpopular? Do they consider it released at all? What do they consider it exactly?
It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.4, it's current rating is 6.6.
Now that makes sense, thanks for informing me on that. Although SWG, D&L and Roma Victor are there but DFO isn't ... still doesn't quite make sense does it?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.1, it's current rating is 6.6. Didregard this, I was didn't read what you qrote.
Not quite sure I buy this theory, since several games on the released list are under 8.1 by a considerable margin.
But both Perfect World and Runes of Magic are clearly released, not above 8.1 (8.1 and 8.0 respectively) and have more customers playing than DF and are not on the list either, so you could be right.
I always thought the decision to put a game on the Dev/Released list was a deliberate decision based on the gut feel by the site Admins on what people were interested in.
If so, then they are deliberately keeping DF off the list until it releases in a more conventional manner. (i.e. anyone who has the money to buy is permitted to buy it whenever they feel like it.).
There isn't a category right now called "Controlled Release"
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It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.1, it's current rating is 6.6. Didregard this, I was didn't read what you qrote.
Not quite sure I buy this theory, since several games on the released list are under 8.1 by a considerable margin.
But both Perfect World and Runes of Magic are clearly released, not above 8.1 (8.1 and 8.0 respectively) and have more customers playing than DF and are not on the list either, so you could be right.
I always thought the decision to put a game on the Dev/Released list was a deliberate decision based on the gut feel by the site Admins on what people were interested in.
If so, then they are deliberately keeping DF off the list until it releases in a more conventional manner. (i.e. anyone who has the money to buy is permitted to buy it whenever they feel like it.).
There isn't a category right now called "Controlled Release"
As I said, disregard what I wrote... I didn't fully read what you wrote.
It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.1, it's current rating is 6.6. Didregard this, I was didn't read what you qrote.
Not quite sure I buy this theory, since several games on the released list are under 8.1 by a considerable margin.
But both Perfect World and Runes of Magic are clearly released, not above 8.1 (8.1 and 8.0 respectively) and have more customers playing than DF and are not on the list either, so you could be right.
I always thought the decision to put a game on the Dev/Released list was a deliberate decision based on the gut feel by the site Admins on what people were interested in.
If so, then they are deliberately keeping DF off the list until it releases in a more conventional manner. (i.e. anyone who has the money to buy is permitted to buy it whenever they feel like it.).
There isn't a category right now called "Controlled Release"
I agree that it seems to come down to MMORPG.coms gut feeling as to wether a game should be listed under released games and they feel DFO isn't ready to go there. Which leads to the question what state do they consider it in now if it hasn't released but is no longer in development?
This controlled release happened with Roma Victor also, I'm interested to know what hoops Aventurine need to jump through until MMORPG consider this game released?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.1, it's current rating is 6.6. Didregard this, I was didn't read what you qrote.
Not quite sure I buy this theory, since several games on the released list are under 8.1 by a considerable margin.
But both Perfect World and Runes of Magic are clearly released, not above 8.1 (8.1 and 8.0 respectively) and have more customers playing than DF and are not on the list either, so you could be right.
I always thought the decision to put a game on the Dev/Released list was a deliberate decision based on the gut feel by the site Admins on what people were interested in.
If so, then they are deliberately keeping DF off the list until it releases in a more conventional manner. (i.e. anyone who has the money to buy is permitted to buy it whenever they feel like it.).
There isn't a category right now called "Controlled Release"
I agree that it seems to come down to MMORPG.coms gut feeling as to wether a game should be listed under released games and they feel DFO isn't ready to go there. Which leads to the question what state do they consider it in now if it hasn't released but is no longer in development?
This controlled release happened with Roma Victor also, I'm interested to know what hoops Aventurine need to jump through until MMORPG consider this game released?
The only "hoop" is to have it be purchasable at any time by anyone.
As far as I'm concerend Darkfall is still in a controlled beta or controlled release. It's not fully released.
It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.1, it's current rating is 6.6. Didregard this, I was didn't read what you qrote.
Not quite sure I buy this theory, since several games on the released list are under 8.1 by a considerable margin.
But both Perfect World and Runes of Magic are clearly released, not above 8.1 (8.1 and 8.0 respectively) and have more customers playing than DF and are not on the list either, so you could be right.
I always thought the decision to put a game on the Dev/Released list was a deliberate decision based on the gut feel by the site Admins on what people were interested in.
If so, then they are deliberately keeping DF off the list until it releases in a more conventional manner. (i.e. anyone who has the money to buy is permitted to buy it whenever they feel like it.).
There isn't a category right now called "Controlled Release"
I agree that it seems to come down to MMORPG.coms gut feeling as to wether a game should be listed under released games and they feel DFO isn't ready to go there. Which leads to the question what state do they consider it in now if it hasn't released but is no longer in development?
This controlled release happened with Roma Victor also, I'm interested to know what hoops Aventurine need to jump through until MMORPG consider this game released?
does it really matter? the game is not fully released to the public but it is out of beta (/snicker) hence the final status. But is it readily available to some one who wants to pick it up at this moment? Nope. I wouldn't call that released.
and comparing it with Roma Victor? DF is among great achievements in the gaming world!
I'm pretty sure Jon Wood has explained why this game belongs in the "released" section here before on threads similar to this.
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It isn't there because it needs a rating greater than 8.1, it's current rating is 6.6. Didregard this, I was didn't read what you qrote.
Not quite sure I buy this theory, since several games on the released list are under 8.1 by a considerable margin.
But both Perfect World and Runes of Magic are clearly released, not above 8.1 (8.1 and 8.0 respectively) and have more customers playing than DF and are not on the list either, so you could be right.
I always thought the decision to put a game on the Dev/Released list was a deliberate decision based on the gut feel by the site Admins on what people were interested in.
If so, then they are deliberately keeping DF off the list until it releases in a more conventional manner. (i.e. anyone who has the money to buy is permitted to buy it whenever they feel like it.).
There isn't a category right now called "Controlled Release"
I agree that it seems to come down to MMORPG.coms gut feeling as to wether a game should be listed under released games and they feel DFO isn't ready to go there. Which leads to the question what state do they consider it in now if it hasn't released but is no longer in development?
This controlled release happened with Roma Victor also, I'm interested to know what hoops Aventurine need to jump through until MMORPG consider this game released?
does it really matter? the game is not fully released to the public but it is out of beta (/snicker) hence the final status. But is it readily available to some one who wants to pick it up at this moment? Nope. I wouldn't call that released.
and comparing it with Roma Victor? DF is among great achievements in the gaming world!
I was just comparing the release with Roma Victor, which was the same, not the game ........
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
The game has been released sicne the 26th of February. On the Game list, it is listed as released. If you sort the Game list by Released games, it is on there. If you look at release date, it is listed as 2/26/09. I did, however, notice that it hasn't been put into the released games forum list. That can't possibly be the criteria you're using though as the Released Games Forum List is by no means comprehensive and complete, but instead a sampling of released games...
So, I'm afraid you "irritation" is for naught. The game is, and has been listed as released and has been properly listed since its launch date.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
The game has been released sicne the 26th of February. On the Game list, it is listed as released. If you sort the Game list by Released games, it is on there. If you look at release date, it is listed as 2/26/09. I did, however, notice that it hasn't been put into the released games forum list. That can't possibly be the criteria you're using though as the Released Games Forum List is by no means comprehensive and complete, but instead a sampling of released games...
So, I'm afraid you "irritation" is for naught. The game is, and has been listed as released and has been properly listed since its launch date.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Khan moment,
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So you're going to leave me irritated like this? Not even bother to make an extra link after changing your bloody site again? I knew you bastards were just a bunch of sadists taking peverse and twisted pleasure in watching me suffer!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
What? What extra link and changes are you talking about, specifically?
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
The game has been released sicne the 26th of February. On the Game list, it is listed as released. If you sort the Game list by Released games, it is on there. If you look at release date, it is listed as 2/26/09. I did, however, notice that it hasn't been put into the released games forum list. That can't possibly be the criteria you're using though as the Released Games Forum List is by no means comprehensive and complete, but instead a sampling of released games...
So, I'm afraid you "irritation" is for naught. The game is, and has been listed as released and has been properly listed since its launch date.
Hope that clears things up for you.
Khan moment,
"STRRRRAAAAAAADDDDEEEEEENNNNNNNNNNNNN!"
So you're going to leave me irritated like this? Not even bother to make an extra link after changing your bloody site again? I knew you bastards were just a bunch of sadists taking peverse and twisted pleasure in watching me suffer!
your complaining that mmorpg.com hasn't put a link in their released section, when the halfwits over aventurine can't even update their own website on their own product? me thinks you should be over at the darkfall forum
What? What extra link and changes are you talking about, specifically?
Under "Popular Game Forums" the "Released Games" category doesn't list Darkfall online (atleast it doesn't for me). So if you consider it released why isn't DFO there? It's been irritating me like a thistle up Scotties arse when he needs to invert the anti matter relays before they all get blown to pieces!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
What? What extra link and changes are you talking about, specifically?
Under "Popular Game Forums" the "Released Games" category doesn't list Darkfall online (atleast it doesn't for me). So if you consider it released why isn't DFO there? It's been irritating me like a thistle up Scotties arse when he needs to invert the anti matter relays before they all get blown to pieces!
Read the name of that Category again please. Then relax and let it sink in again.
Everything is fine really and as it should be.
Darkfall is currently in a limited, paid alpha testing stage.
What? What extra link and changes are you talking about, specifically?
Perhaps this will help, a simple picture can make it all so much easier to understand:
If MMORPG.com consider Darkfall to be released, then why is it not in this list?
Edit: You already answered this though, I missed it at first, and I think Argicola1 is still missing it too, so here it goes again:
Quote from Stradden:
I did, however, notice that it hasn't been put into the released games forum list. That can't possibly be the criteria you're using though as the Released Games Forum List is by no means comprehensive and complete.
What? What extra link and changes are you talking about, specifically?
Perhaps this will help, a simple picture can make it all so much easier to understand:
If MMORPG.com consider Darkfall to be released, then why is it not in this list?
Edit: You already answered this though, I missed it at first, and I think Argicola1 is still missing it too, so here it goes again:
Quote from Stradden:
I did, however, notice that it hasn't been put into the released games forum list. That can't possibly be the criteria you're using though as the Released Games Forum List is by no means comprehensive and complete.
So looking at that list I guess even if a game is cancelled and has been dead for over 6 months (DnL for example), since it released at one time it remains on there?
Interesting, I didn't know that DnL was still considered a popular game!!!