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The most common poor argument against EVE.
nurgles
Member Posts: 840
We see so many people come here to explain why EVE is such a shit game, it's boring, you cant grind for skill, you can only PvP if you are rich, or if you have months and months of training, you can never catch up, no fair fights, flight controls are just point and click, the PvE is crap, the game encourages griefers and is filled with asocial wannabe psychopaths. Basically, saying that the game is not fun.
The most common underlying trend is that the poster shows an unwillingness to believe that the game could be played differently to the way that the poster played. Its fascinating that people look at a sandbox and see some mini-games to play, and decide that from those couple of example games that the whole sandbox must be pointless.
Simply put, they say EVE is crap because it is not the game I want to play and I am unwilling to adjust my expectations. The reason I find this fascinating is that expectations are a very consumer based passive structure, you dont add anything with expectation, and you are just blinded from the opportunity to develop by your tunnel vision. A sandbox based game is all about creating and developing the opportunities that you see. It will always be about adaptation and change as well. If you get into trading for example, you can not expect that a single product that makes a good return will always be profitable, you have to constantly check margins and find new opportunities.
The key to EVE being fun is a simple attitude, the desire to constantly find something new and the knowledge that the static is boring. Really, it is the journey not the goal that makes the game fun.
I do not believe the game is above criticism, there are always things that could be improved upon and no game will ever be perfect. Also without a doubt EVE is not a game that will grab every player. Hell, there are times when I burn out and take a break, but I keep coming back.
All I ask from the people who come here to say that the game is not for them is to understand that they did not explore the game fully (being a sandbox you can never have done everything) and that when any criticism that is used to call the game crap is based on a small sector of the game and an unwillingness to accept that there are other ways to play it is simply not constructive.
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Your post is particularly poignant when you realize all the options and avenues the game provides every player. I don’t think there is any question, in my mind, that one of the first steps to really enjoying this game is learning that the game will not change for you, and in fact, you must change for it. I think this is a hard hurdle for many to overcome.
However, doing so allows you to experience a frenetic, highly social, ever changing game that is filled with depth and complexity.
I would never expect or care that everyone feels the same about EVE as I do, but I agree that there are many "poor arguments" throw at EVE in these forums. Not all of them, but many are.
The one I dislike the most, ATM, is the "not having a real body argument". For me, your "real body" in EVE is your ship and I can't think of any game on the market that provides more customization or better graphics for a players "body". The only down side is that many other will have the same body as you, and I think that a pretty common problem.
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EVE was designed as a niche game, thats what it wanted to be, and it does it well. that means there are going to be LOTS of people who dislike it, even hate it. in a game like WoW that would be a problem, where it tries to appeal to as many people as possible, but it just isn't a problem for EVE.
CCP created what they were after... for the most part. they made something completely different from anything else on the market, and it is turning a profit, a good one at that.
Yes you are right, people expect EVE to be just another MMO, so they will try to play it the same way they have played every other MMO before it, and that won't work and they won't like it. But in the end thats fine that they don't like it, EVE is after a small part of the market, and they have that niche and are doing great in it, it was just a different goal.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
The final vote on the matter is. You have to be into pvp to get into Eve.
You are engaged in pvp, everytime you undock.
You are engaged in pvp, every time you open the Market window.
Most people, myself included, that don't like the game. Don't like pvp.
Were it not for pvp, there would be no reason to ever cooperate in eve ..whatsoever. Which in a massivly multiplayer game, is fail.
Also, eve punishes the small scale. The more people is always better mantra, just isn't for me.
The whole of eve online.
Make isk --> Get ships --> Get blown up --> Repeat
Sprinkle with some ambition and drama, and you will love eve. Untill you realize that it's pointless.
Sorry about this but i really get irratated when someone posts outright lies.
So summery of both ower posts is...
If you like PvP you will like EvE
If you like Building stuff you will like EvE
If you like working as part of a team you will like EvE.
If you like Being solo you wont like EvE
If you like to PvE Exclusivly you wont like EvE
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
I didn't lie at all. You perhaps need some reading comprehension classes. You agree with me, and feign outrage. Comical.
But isn't this true of every MMO? 99% of games in the end are pointless. sure mario teaches typing had a point, but most games don't leave you with anything after you finish them.
Games are for fun, thats why we call them games, they there to butter your toast or make you money (though plenty of people do make money off them) they are there to have fun. I'll keep on playing games and doing anything I deem fun regardless of their impact on society or myself. thats why I don't play EVE, it just isn't fun to me, but thats not a bad thing, the game just wasn't aimed in my direction.
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
Is it fail, though?
Or simply a different point of view? Remember that "many of the truths that we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view."
EVE is, at heart, built around the basic premise of player-to-player interaction. It is not built, like WoW and many others, even other sandboxy MMO's, around player-to-environment or group-to-environment interaction. Different premise, different game, different point of view.
For someone who is staunchly 'anti-PVP' to the point of not having any of it in 'his game', yes, EVE will be the anathema of MMO's. It is built entirely around the core of PVP and player interaction. It is unforgivingly direct in that fashion, and will not let a person simply 'climb to the top alone'.
For someone who can open their minds to the concept though, EVE is anything but failure as an MMO. In no other MMO have I seen myself and felt being as much an important part of a group as in EVE, ever. In any other MMO, I've been able to generally progress alone and know that eventually I'd reach that highest pinnacle and be able to do whatever it is that the 'end-game' in that MMO is about. Not so in EVE. In EVE, to reach some goals, you will need friends, a group, a corp. In short, others. Even when playing alone, manufacturing or whatever, what I do affects other people. When I sell things, I ponder who buys it and for what purpose, and that thought process becomes important part of the game because it affects what I will do next.
From my point of view, most other MMO's are full of this "fail", of not binding players together through the entire process of playing the game.
too each his own. Personally i find more excitement and things to do in EVE than any other mmorpg out there.
The big problem with eve in that respect. Is that you cannot trust anyone.
Just for clarity. My eve character has 25m skillpoints. And I can do level 4's, while eating dinner, in the next room. Nighthawk, perfect skills.
I never went marauder, because well, there wasn't any point. After a few months of grinding 4's, I have more money then I'd really ever want to spend 300b. And there is nothing left to do, given my choice of playstyle.
As soon as the timecards hit 600m for a 2 month, I was done.
Also for the record. Im not anti pvp. Im anti group pvp. I dig solo pvp, of which, eve has none.
Really? Did that change with yesterday's patch? I haven't had a chance to play since then, but, last time I played (Wednesday) there was plenty of solo PvP.
And, I'm guessing it's still there. Could it be you're looking in the wrong place?
i agree there is a crapload of solo pvp, hell pirates are almost always solo pvprs
I did not know games had any other point than to entertain. If it does not entertain you then so be it. For many others Eve is very entertaining and lots of fun.
haha, you must be new. The tears from all the people with falcon alts is rather amusing though. Solo indeed.
falcon alt? sorry sir, i am pure amarr
love the pew pew lazorz!
if theres no such thing as solo pvp, what the hell have i been doing with my low skillpoint alt all week?
some people dont like eve, and thats fine, its made for a very specific audience of which i am a member.
incidently, you might find more pvp if you dock your nighthawk up and actually leave highsec, hell you can afford to throw away officer fitted tech 1 frigs at the same rate i lose tech 1 fitted tech 1 cruisers. still, if you want to mission all day long, thats your choice and as long as you enjoy it, good luck to you.
There is plenty of solo PvP. The key is that you have to become a good hunter who can pick out his target and determine the rules of engagement. Most people do not have the predatory skills to accomplish this.
I was solo PvPing my second week into the game by trapping can-flippers. It was a very easy scheme to devise, even for a noob, and it can take less than thirty minutes to accomplish in crowded systems.
The pve in eve is soul crushingly boring. As for pvp. I could just as easily make paper airplanes and throw them at my brother. About the same tatics involved, AND .. i'd have a big stack of paper when im done. Which is more then can be said about eve pvp.
Predatory skils .. lol. Thats called ganking kid. I lean a bit more towards honorable combat.
Tearful falcon alt?
So, you have decided to further your argument that there is no solo PvP with non sequitur?
ahh so now it's not about group play but the fact you just dont like the game...makes more sense now. Should try a bit harder than saying there is no solo play in eve and then hiding the fact you dont like it
Eve is awesome and I play quite a lot, The things that eve lacks or does not have I just find them in another game and play that too, I nice thing about eve is afk skilling :P
My only beef is the skill training aspect of the game. Other than that, I thought it was great while I played it.
IMO Eve is one of the best games out there right now. I have my own corps and its making good money. I find my self with new goals and achiements to accomplish everytime i log on. Sure the learning curve is something else but its an afterthought after a week into playing. I'll admit at time it can be boring but never for very long. Eve has a grace all its own and beauty (grphically) to its own. Its so cool to go into warp with a star shining in the background while slowly leaving a station. Nothing like it at all.
Played : WOW, LOTRO, COH/COV, EQ2, SWG, and WAR.
Playing EVE Online and AOC.
Wtg for SW:TOR and WOD
My first post declared that I don't like eve. It's not really my problem, that you are either too lazy or retarded to have actually read the thread.