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Why, after 5 weeks, I'm quitting
nate1980
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Population problems.
I'd post this on their forums, but I can't. Everytime I try to log in, I get taken to an error page. I can browse the forums, I just can't log into the forums.
When the Call to Arms event happened, I resubbed and played on Dark Craag for a couple weeks. I got tired of lvl 20 Destruction players ruining the challenge of PvP, so I went back to Phoenix Throne, the server I played on at release. I noticed right away, after playing on it that day, that the server had a population problem. My brother and his father downloaded the free trial, liked the game, purchased it, and started playing on Monlith as Destruction. Trying out Destruction intrigued me, so I rerolled there. I encountered the same population problems there as I did on PT. Scenarios took a while to pop and the PQ's were empty. So I did some research this time and found out Iron Rock is the most populated core server, so I rerolled there. The population improved some and I played there for a couple weeks. I created every class to test out the classes to see which one I liked. Overall, I got fed up with Destruction players playing like noobs and the lack of any players interested in PQ's, so I rerolled Order. I've noticed that while the Order players mostly seem to play better together, the PQ's are still empty and the Regional chat is quiet.
Someone mentioned to me when I mentioned my aggravation with the low population, that T4 is busier. I'm the type that doesn't rush to end game, and I enjoy the journey. I enjoy PvE as much as PvP. I'm also a group oriented gamer. Maybe it's because DAoC was my first MMO and I grouped all the time in PvE and in PvP, or maybe I'm just a sociable person, but if I can't talk with other people or find groups easily, I get irritated. Anyhow, I've also been told Empire and Chaos areas are more populated, and I'd have a better chance finding PQ groups there. While this is somewhat true, why should I have to ignore the hardwork Mythic put into the Dwarven/Greenskin and Elven areas? I shouldn't, so I finally decided today to pack it up. It's not the communities fault they're migrating to one zone and/or rushing to T4, or maybe it is their fault, I don't know. All I know is that I can't find a group the majority of the time for PQ's and it's what I like most about the game aside from RvR. RvR mainly consists of players flipping BO's, without much resistance. Just when the fighting gets good, people decide to go do something else until flipping BO's gets easier or they go to another zone to flip BO's, which has zero resistance. So I've gotten disinterested in RvR and started playing the dreaded scenarios more. Scenarios gave me instance access to combat, which I liked, but you can't do that all the time and still enjoy playing. So I like to mix up PQ's, Scenarios, and RvR. The problem is that the PQ's are devoid of players the majority of the time and RvR is just flipping BO's the majority of the time too.
So there you have it; my reasons for leaving. I am saddened by this, because I actually enjoy the game and am excited about the Tomb of Kings (I'm a big Darkness Falls fan for you DAoC vets), but I'm not going to grind to max level all solo, like you do in WoW. I've thought about going back to WoW, since they don't have population problems, and maybe leveling up in the 5-man dungeons, but if I'm honest with myself, I'd admit that it's hard to find 5 man groups enough of the time to level up with, not to mention I liked WAR, because I didn't feel pressured to play for hours on end. I could come and go as I pleased.
So does anyone have any worthwhile thoughts or solutions to solve my problem?
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I think the issue is, your looking for DAOC. WAR is not at DAOC Calibre at this point.
Its hard to surpas a first love (MMO Love in this case). It may be time to head on back and give the DAOC classic servers a go
Good Luck
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
If their main issue is a population problem then going back to DAoC classic servers is probably not the way to go.
I went back to WAR for a month in December on PT and population wasn't a problem there at that time. I'm not sure how it or any server is atm. However, it was the same problem just from a different angle...
We would run in this cirlce and take undefended objectives and keeps. Destruction would be one pairing ahead doing the same.
So I could defend a keep basicly by myself or farm undefended areas with the herd. If we went to take a keep and there was even 1 enemy player most times the herd leader would just move on...
This was pretty much why I quit the second time.
*note* As to my DAoC comment the only real population currently in DAoC is on Devon cluster. The classics aka Bossiney has even less population than Killibury cluster.
curret (real time) pop:
Classic Cluster: 299
Deven Cluster: 2238
Killibury: 558
Even tho I said I wouldn't I tried to go back to DAoC... after finding a graveyard and having never played on any server in Devon's cluster list... I uninstalled/cancel yet again.
The bigger issue is how the zones are setup and the fact that everyone just goes to one zone and does PVP or PVE in that specific zone. This leaves people wanting to PvP or PVE for rewards in lower tier zones stuck and out of luck. Looking at now I think they would of been better off just having one zone per tier and not of wasted time created the 2 additional zones for both side that end up rotting away so to speak.
Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.
Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:
GW2 (+LoL and BF3)
No Decent Chat going on and No Groups. I do Infact get irritated. Their Wasn't even Much Endgame Content
to begin With. So I agree 100%
war is what it is, I played it for awhile and moved on, so do the same.
played:WoW and Eve off and on 5 years
Tried:CoH/V, PoTBS, War, TR, STO, FE
TOR is likely to rock
Reroll.
Whether you like it or not, that's the official Mythic answer to population problems.
Either that or reroll to another server. Slightly different but same advice. Until they shut down 7 more servers, this game will always have this problem.
I don't really know why you are leaving because if you like this about WAR:
You got your wish already. You joined before, then left (quit). Then you came back and joined again last month, then left just now.
You were able to come and go as you please.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I know this was the reason people were arguing in favor of not adding in the additional cities on this forum. I argued that people would want them and use them, but judging from how people have migrated to the Empire/Chaos zones, I guess they were right. The question is, why would anyone WANT to do the same zones over and over again, and why do MMO players care so little about the variety of game environments offered in different zones? I mean the devs spent years creating the game and people can't be bothered to even appreciate the detail put into each zone. It just really bothers me.
I've played practically every MMORPG out there, and the ones that left an impression had more than one area to start out from. We can use DAoC and WoW as an example if you want. Granted, over time, everyone pretty much pools into one zone, since the majority of the population is at max level, but WAR just started not too long ago.
But as an update to my original post, I've decided to just stick with it. I'm hoping my loyalty will pay off in the end, when they start releasing new content and expansions the way they did in DAoC. The Tomb of Kings or whatever it is, is making me excited to keep playing. Darkness Falls was so much fun and if they're creating a dungeon like it for WAR, then what else will they be puting in the game? With that line of thought, I kind of want to stick with the game to see what stuff they'll implement. I'd hate to see something really exciting and join the game as a lvl 1, but the lower population being even worse than it is now. So I think I'll at least get 1 lvl 40 up there so that I have a character ready for future updates, just in case they are end game oriented. WAR really is a good game, it just needs some tender love and care right now. I think another server merge wouldn't be a bad idea, although I know the T4 battles couldn't handle more than what they're already having problems with right now.
Before resubbing to WAR recently, I did resub to DAoC. I'm so used to the modern features, animations, and responsiveness of the controls and abilities, that I couldn't get into DAoC again. So instead of trying to get used to it again, I decided to quit before I ruined the memories I had with DAoC, with new impressions of a dated game.
Damn, you sure are fickle, lol. I guess you weren't kidding about that whole "come and go as I please" thing.
If you mean you're waiting for the Land of The Dead (I'm sure that's what you mean), might be awhile. Better spend the next two months trying to find a good server, or speed up to endgame in the meantime so you don't go again, lol.
Try Praag. Some loudmouth who used to post on here a lot used to brag about how busy Praag always was. I'd give it a shot. I tried it and found it moderately slow, but that was in T1/T2 and could have been times of day.. who knows.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Damn, you sure are fickle, lol. I guess you weren't kidding about that whole "come and go as I please" thing.
If you mean you're waiting for the Land of The Dead (I'm sure that's what you mean), might be awhile. Better spend the next two months trying to find a good server, or speed up to endgame in the meantime so you don't go again, lol.
Try Praag. Some loudmouth who used to post on here a lot used to brag about how busy Praag always was. I'd give it a shot. I tried it and found it moderately slow, but that was in T1/T2 and could have been times of day.. who knows.
I'm sure you're familiar with wowcensus. Well, WAR has a website that tracks server pops as well. But why believe just what that website has to say? I also checked the WAR forums and even asked in game on various servers, and they all said the same thing. That if I want to play on the most active server, I need to play on Iron Rock or Dark Craag. Well, Dark Craag is a PvP server, and Iron Rock a Core Server. I did play on Dark Craag, and I didn't like how trivialized PvP became due to people 20 levels higher than you being able to fight in the same RvR areas.
If you read my OP, you should also recall that I already did try several servers out, and I'm sticking with Iron Rock.
Not familiar with it, sorry. Not sure what you mean by believe what a website has to say.
I'm just talking about a fanboi with a really huge yap who used to post and brag everyday (not you) about how Praag was always MED/MED with huge pops and stuff popping all over the place. He was saying this right up until a month or so ago on his sabbaticals from the offical WAR forums. Just trying to suggest to you that you may want to try Praag before you post another "I Quit" post, as LOTD is a few months away. And if you say you are having problems finding folks, two months give or take is a long time to be twiddling thumbs.
But you can discount my friendly advice. I believe your post about servers. I knew that guy was full of hot air anyways just from how he used to post things like "." and "agree" just to get his post count up. I read your OP, but I do not think you mentioned Praag as a server you tried, did you?
In any event, I am sure you'll find plenty of people to play with. Haven't you heard? WAR made #17 on the Top20 NPC list so it's probably got 500k subs right about now.
"TO MICHAEL!"
So let me get this straight, you started on arguably the most populated server in WAR (Dark Crag) and left it because there was fighting in the lower levels (probably people one tier higher coming down a tier to look for easy kills), you move to a low population server, and then complain that noone is in the lower tiers? I don't understand. And I'd also like to add, WAR, like any mature MMO, everyone is already at the end game so you aren't going to find many people at the lower tiers unless they are rerolls and even then, only on a populated server (like dark crag).
I think most of the angry posts in this forum can be summed up as follows: "This wasn't what I expected and I don't like it". It's not the game, it's just not what you want.
Not familiar with it, sorry. Not sure what you mean by believe what a website has to say.
I'm just talking about a fanboi with a really huge yap who used to post and brag everyday (not you) about how Praag was always MED/MED with huge pops and stuff popping all over the place. He was saying this right up until a month or so ago on his sabbaticals from the offical WAR forums. Just trying to suggest to you that you may want to try Praag before you post another "I Quit" post, as LOTD is a few months away. And if you say you are having problems finding folks, two months give or take is a long time to be twiddling thumbs.
But you can discount my friendly advice. I believe your post about servers. I knew that guy was full of hot air anyways just from how he used to post things like "." and "agree" just to get his post count up. I read your OP, but I do not think you mentioned Praag as a server you tried, did you?
In any event, I am sure you'll find plenty of people to play with. Haven't you heard? WAR made #17 on the Top20 NPC list so it's probably got 500k subs right about now.
No, I didn't mention Praag as a server I tried out, but I did mention why I didn't like Dark Craag. I'm sure you pay attention to what server you join before logging in, but Praag is a PvP server, like Dark Craag, so of course I didn't try it out.
The game just doesn't have IT. I could go on and on about what is wrong with it, but those issues have posted on here a million times so why bother rehashing the.
It simply doesn't have IT.
Not sure why you would'nt try it out, just to see.
What do you have to lose as you just said after changing your mind ( once again) you are staying. You may find more people doing PvE (which is obviously what you are looking for) on Praag as well. Why? Because it's busy according to the other fanboi. Common sense would dictate that if you joined an OPEN server as you had already and found no one or very little doing PvE and PQs (even though you claim it's plenty of people), that you might try something radical like trying a busy PvP server and seeing if people are doing PQs there.
But again, suit yourself. I look forward to your next "I Quit Warhammer!" post as based on what you write, it most assuredly is coming.
It's funny to watch you flipflop all over the place; one thread telling people it's great, the next saying you are quitting. Calling people trolls for criticizing it, then posting several criticism threads yourself after "quitting". You've been doing this for a few months and I have no sympathy for you. Even now, you continue to try and be flippant, when a real suggestion is given to you to try a certain server that may improve your PvE chances in the game.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I have no problems getting PQs done on Ironfist (I actually start up a PQ group).
I have no problems getting Orvr influence and I understand that this game unlike WoW doesnt have cross server instanced pvp. much like WOW back in the day you will see 1 hour+ queues in the morning and afternoon. It picks up to 5-15 min queues primetime.
I enjoy WARs Orvr (BO/Keeps) , its Scenarios, the personal and public quests and the games classes so im still playing it casually. I'm not crazy about its dungeons and I freaking hate the crafting but I didnt start playing WAR for that stuff.
To the OP try getting into a good guild that will help you with PQs. My guild have all types of alts in every tier we make a night of it when we do PQs.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Part of the problem is that WAR is just designed with way, way, WAAAY too much group content. The overabundance of PQs combined with splitting up the population no less than six different ways means that even a server with a fairly high population can appear dead. I think Mythic just overestimated the willingness of players to group with complete strangers to complete content with rewards that likely wont even last them a full level.
Another part of the problem is that many players who first arrived in WAR were expecting groups to just "be there." Not many people are willing to start a group for an empty PQ, even if it might only take 2 other people to complete. At the very beginning of the game, you could open up the group interface and be at an active PQ with a solid group within 5 minutes. That can still happen, but it's not as easy and most players aren't willing to take the initiative.
So while I believe the game is doing fine in terms of population, (not great, but fine) it will never appear that way because the games basic design prohibits players gathering en masse before T4.
Actually, its not the content amount. A lot of people don't like to group for that stuff because there's a substantial group experience penalty vs solo playing.
Why go for a group when you lose 100 more exp a kill? That's a reason people ninja those and ninja scenarios as well.
"TO MICHAEL!"
No Decent Chat going on and No Groups. I do Infact get irritated. Their Wasn't even Much Endgame Content
to begin With. So I agree 100%
OK Sev00, you downloaded the trial and there wasn't much endgame? WoW!! you guys are fast at ranking to endgame in less than 10 days!!
The problem many of this games have is that at launch we have dozens of servers. Having this many so soon and right off is a bad thing.
They should merge some servers to have them reach population capacity and only open new servers when it becomes apparent that the player base is growing too big for the servers to handle. This way the game wont have players quit for lack of population. This is also another nice way to push the servers to the limit and the game to check how much population the game was designed for.
Kind of like what Darkfall is going through. Open another server once the first one is full. Just sell the game normally and dont take that chance to hype it up even more.
Sorry, your problems sounds like why I quit all those months ago, and quit again before my 10 free days were up.
The population is far too low for a MMO. PQs, while on paper are an awesome concept, are empty, and a waste of content. Scenarios take far too long to join. The PVE is boring, and again the dungeons are wasted content, since no one goes. Trying to level up on the same boring mob doing essentially the same boring quest just doesn't cut it. I just couldn't hack the lack of WAR.
Not sure why you would'nt try it out, just to see.
What do you have to lose as you just said after changing your mind ( once again) you are staying. You may find more people doing PvE (which is obviously what you are looking for) on Praag as well. Why? Because it's busy according to the other fanboi. Common sense would dictate that if you joined an OPEN server as you had already and found no one or very little doing PvE and PQs (even though you claim it's plenty of people), that you might try something radical like trying a busy PvP server and seeing if people are doing PQs there.
But again, suit yourself. I look forward to your next "I Quit Warhammer!" post as based on what you write, it most assuredly is coming.
It's funny to watch you flipflop all over the place; one thread telling people it's great, the next saying you are quitting. Calling people trolls for criticizing it, then posting several criticism threads yourself after "quitting". You've been doing this for a few months and I have no sympathy for you. Even now, you continue to try and be flippant, when a real suggestion is given to you to try a certain server that may improve your PvE chances in the game.
I have no idea what your beef is with me, but if need be, I can just use the ignore feature on the forums. I've always tried to be respectful, honest, and well mannered. I believe in treating others the way they want to be treated. I don't like the word troll, nor do I like to use it. If I've ever used it, which I doubt, it's been for a very good reason.
I'm not going to further defend my posts to you, because you obviously just come on these forums to get a rise out of people. How about you stay out of my threads, and I'll stay out of yours? That's the mature thing to do. If you can't handle that, then I'll just have to find another way I guess, but I hope you have the maturity to do that at least.
Thanks
If you feel the posts about you questioning your decisions on Warhammer and then airing your ambivalence about them upsetting, as you said Ignore is an option. I am sorry that I did not realize your post was a soliloquy. I thought you were posting it for open discussion. I probably should have realized it from your defensive tone earlier, and that's my mistake.
Hopefully you will find a game you can stick with that doesn't make you want to quit, resub, quit, resub and then get defensive when you post about doing it. Although I have tried to give you suggestions as have others regarding server choice, perhaps as someone stated earlier the game just might not be for you, since you are looking for PvE. I have no animosity towards you and was responding only to your comments. Many apologies for hurting your feelings.
Since you won't be responding any further, good luck and I hope Mythic can eventually make all your dreams come true as a loyal fan of the game.
"TO MICHAEL!"
If you feel the posts about you questioning your decisions on Warhammer and then airing your ambivalence about them upsetting, as you said Ignore is an option. I am sorry that I did not realize your post was a soliloquy. I thought you were posting it for open discussion. I probably should have realized it from your defensive tone earlier, and that's my mistake.
Hopefully you will find a game you can stick with that doesn't make you want to quit, resub, quit, resub and then get defensive when you post about doing it. Although I have tried to give you suggestions as have others regarding server choice, perhaps as someone stated earlier the game just might not be for you, since you are looking for PvE. I have no animosity towards you and was responding only to your comments. Many apologies for hurting your feelings.
Since you won't be responding any further, good luck and I hope Mythic can eventually make all your dreams come true as a loyal fan of the game.
Let's get a few things straight here.
1) I haven't resubbed, quit, resubbed, quit, resubbed, quit like you say I have.
2) I play WAR mainly for the PvP, but prefer core servers, since I do not like how RvR is trivialized by players 20 levels above you (on both sides). I like to mix things up with PQ's, which shouldn't be a crime or make me a PvE preferred person like you make me out to be.
3) If I am being defensive, it's because you keep puting words into my mouth, which is the only reason I am responding to this post. I hate it when people put words into my mouth and I find it disrespectful.
4) Don't apologize unless you mean it. Anyone with half a brain can read your post and see that you're being fake and doing so only to rattle my cage. So please, for the love of god, grow up.
I am truly sorry I hurt your feelings.
"TO MICHAEL!"