Sounds like you've become quite the SOE fan since you got your $1 overdraft issue resolved. Glad you like the game, but there's no need to flame other games just because you like a particular one. BTW, does anyone know if Vanguard's going to be able to retain its lead developer now that he's back working on EQ?
How do you figure I was flaming another game? I never said WoW was a bad game. I mentioned that the younger players spamming "which Im sure anyone who plays WoW will agree"... is annoying. I like alot of differant games. Nice slight troll attempt there on me bud
Every game involves spamming whether you're a kiddie or not.
In the end, one can't go wrong by trying the game for free with the Isle of Dawn demo. Not everyone will like it, but the bug, performance and population issues will no longer be reasons for not enjoying the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
In the end, one can't go wrong by trying the game for free with the Isle of Dawn demo. Not everyone will like it, but the bug, performance and population issues will no longer be reasons for not enjoying the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
Yeah the game has really good concept, but the game isn't really good. The problem is it got good too late. Most MMO's get 2 chances to draw a player base in: 1) at release 2) 1 year after release. I wanted to like this game but a lack of server population mixed with lack of new content made it impossible.
"Hey, I'll tell you what. You can get a good look at a butcher's azz by sticking your head up there. But, wouldn't you rather to take his word for it?" - Tommy Boy
In the end, one can't go wrong by trying the game for free with the Isle of Dawn demo. Not everyone will like it, but the bug, performance and population issues will no longer be reasons for not enjoying the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
couldnt be any less false... so that means its true. Thanks
In the end, one can't go wrong by trying the game for free with the Isle of Dawn demo. Not everyone will like it, but the bug, performance and population issues will no longer be reasons for not enjoying the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
couldnt be any less false... so that means its true. Thanks
Ok Bodeus good 1 .. Your statement brings nothing to the conversation is completely wrong , has no knowledge of anything realative to Vanguards Isle or later game .. If you played it you would know this and realize just how foolish your statements are...
Have you even played Vanguard ?
If you have when did you leave ?
What level did you get to ?
Character name and server?
Why did you leave if you did?
Ill start fact is the starter Isle uses the Telon enviroment , and IMO the rest of Telon is better fleshed out , with much more intresting features, quest lines ,diplomacy and crafting to pursue..
And after reading this thread , i gotta wonder why are you here , you have brought nothing to this thread accept a constant attempt to derail a thread,started by some one simply saying they are enjoying a game...
Your constant flaming ,trolling of every positive comment that someone makes is just stupid .. what do you care if the OP is enjoying the game...
After hearing a lot of hate and a lot of fan boying about this game, I have decided to download the trial of this game. I hope that this game does have strong PvE like some have said. In anycase sounds like a good way to stay preocupied considering there are no good MMO's out right now and I'm just web surfing all day waiting for SWTOR and JE to be released.
VG:SoH has been a decent game for quite some time. Sadly it was completely borked in the beginning and subsequent movement over to SOE that the fanbase has dwindled to nothing. I personally loved the game from an immersion and graphics perspective. The combat was decent, the crafting I found enjoyable if grindy and annoying at times. The diplomacy was, so-so in my opinion. But anyway, my point is that if I had actually found a core group of friends to play VG, I would still be playing today. There lies the problem though, like so many other games now, the population does not help the game. If you have some friends in VG though, it is a good game.
In the end, one can't go wrong by trying the game for free with the Isle of Dawn demo. Not everyone will like it, but the bug, performance and population issues will no longer be reasons for not enjoying the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
I started recently, my first character I started directly on the mainland, not on IoD. The game is fun, so I decided to start an alt, and started it on IoD.
The island is just like the mainland, and performance was the same for me. There is more stuff packed into a smaller space on the island, while on the mainland the same stuff is more spread out. IHMO, the island and the mainland are the same.
In the end, one can't go wrong by trying the game for free with the Isle of Dawn demo. Not everyone will like it, but the bug, performance and population issues will no longer be reasons for not enjoying the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
I started recently, my first character I started directly on the mainland, not on IoD. The game is fun, so I decided to start an alt, and started it on IoD.
The island is just like the mainland, and performance was the same for me. There is more stuff packed into a smaller space on the island, while on the mainland the same stuff is more spread out. IHMO, the island and the mainland are the same.
My performance is a little bit worse (about 10fps worth) on IoD because of all the players.
In the end, one can't go wrong by trying the game for free with the Isle of Dawn demo. Not everyone will like it, but the bug, performance and population issues will no longer be reasons for not enjoying the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
couldnt be any less false... so that means its true. Thanks
Ok Bodeus good 1 .. Your statement brings nothing to the conversation is completely wrong , has no knowledge of anything realative to Vanguards Isle or later game .. If you played it you would know this and realize just how foolish your statements are...
Have you even played Vanguard ?
If you have when did you leave ?
What level did you get to ?
Character name and server?
Why did you leave if you did?
Ill start fact is the starter Isle uses the Telon enviroment , and IMO the rest of Telon is better fleshed out , with much more intresting features, quest lines ,diplomacy and crafting to pursue..
And after reading this thread , i gotta wonder why are you here , you have brought nothing to this thread accept a constant attempt to derail a thread,started by some one simply saying they are enjoying a game...
Your constant flaming ,trolling of every positive comment that someone makes is just stupid .. what do you care if the OP is enjoying the game...
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VG:SoH has been a decent game for quite some time. Sadly it was completely borked in the beginning and subsequent movement over to SOE that the fanbase has dwindled to nothing. I personally loved the game from an immersion and graphics perspective. The combat was decent, the crafting I found enjoyable if grindy and annoying at times. The diplomacy was, so-so in my opinion. But anyway, my point is that if I had actually found a core group of friends to play VG, I would still be playing today. There lies the problem though, like so many other games now, the population does not help the game. If you have some friends in VG though, it is a good game.
I have made more friends in Vanguard the last month than I have in any game I have played in the last 10 years. And only after a month! I'm grouped constantly and have been introducing all my new friends to all my other new friends and thinking about starting my own guild now. The community here is the best that I have seen! Hands down. ANd the population is growing steadly as everyone whom I have talked to are amazed and are getting thier real life friends to play as well and everyone is loving it! SOE had better wake up and pull thier heads out of thier asses cause the sleeping dragon is awakening!
VG:SoH has been a decent game for quite some time. Sadly it was completely borked in the beginning and subsequent movement over to SOE that the fanbase has dwindled to nothing. I personally loved the game from an immersion and graphics perspective. The combat was decent, the crafting I found enjoyable if grindy and annoying at times. The diplomacy was, so-so in my opinion. But anyway, my point is that if I had actually found a core group of friends to play VG, I would still be playing today. There lies the problem though, like so many other games now, the population does not help the game. If you have some friends in VG though, it is a good game.
I have made more friends in Vanguard the last month than I have in any game I have played in the last 10 years. And only after a month! I'm grouped constantly and have been introducing all my new friends to all my other new friends and thinking about starting my own guild now. The community here is the best that I have seen! Hands down.
"Too much, too little, too late to try again with you "
Johnny Mathis and Deniece Williams from "Night Songs"
You only get one chance to create a first impression.
Who the hell are you, and why should I care? Congrats! You are a victim of Trollstar!
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
I must admit here that YES it is true Vanguard isn't for everyone. Specially all the MMO noobs that has been bread by Blizzard with WoW. But then again that is a "good thing" . If all those type of gamers suddenly came to Vanguard the game and community would be ruined as WoW is ruined. But for people looking for that old school feel where MMO's actually had some depth and required actual thought it is great! Post WOW players have no clue of what I am referring to. 11 million gamers does NOT a good game make! It just means the company knows how to advertise/promote thier product as a cash cow.
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
I must admit here that YES it is true Vanguard isn't for everyone. Specially all the MMO noobs that has been bread by Blizzard with WoW. But then again that is a "good thing" . If all those type of gamers suddenly came to Vanguard the game and community would be ruined as WoW is ruined. But for people looking for that old school feel where MMO's actually had some depth and required actual thought it is great! Post WOW players have no clue of what I am referring to. 11 million gamers does NOT a good game make! It just means the company knows how to advertise/promote thier product as a cash cow.
You can advertise and promote a game with billions of dollars, but good luck keeping any of them if the game is not appealing. WoW keeps players because they find it fun and entertaining and that makes it a good game in anyone's book. Anarchy Online had the worst launch and worst first year of any game on the market. Despite this, they recovered quite well and certainly have a bigger share of the market than Vanguard. They hardly advertise their game at all.
All I'm seeing are excuses being made for a game that has little appeal to many, many players. You're right in that this is a game that is trying to garner that "old school" feel, but it obviously isn't working and it begs the question if anything old school could ever be profitable in today's market.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
I think a lot of it was the fact that Brad McQuaid admitted to it shipping before it was "finished" to his liking, but he was pretty much forced to ship it because the funding was running out. So combine an unfinished product with the creators admittal to it being unfinished makes for a bad start. Then also combine that with SOE buying out Sigil and eliminating some of the original Sigil people, so now fixes were taking too long to happen. Therefore this game shipped with, what I would say, was way more technical issues than other mmo's during their launch. So yes people did leave because of technical issues. I'm one of them and I'm also re-subscribed to the game because it is fixed in comparison to it's launch.
Sure, some people may have left because they just didn't like the game, but I think the majority left due to the technical issues. Some of us wanted a more up-to-date EQ ( I did anyways), and this was that game but was near broken at launch....now I have my EQ replacement the way it was meant to be.
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Must I keep posting here. This is driving me nuts I am going to go play my game now...Safe journeys to you all. See you in Telon!
I have made more friends in Vanguard the last month than I have in any game I have played in the last 10 years. And only after a month! I'm grouped constantly and have been introducing all my new friends to all my other new friends and thinking about starting my own guild now. The community here is the best that I have seen! Hands down. ANd the population is growing steadly as everyone whom I have talked to are amazed and are getting thier real life friends to play as well and everyone is loving it! SOE had better wake up and pull thier heads out of thier asses cause the sleeping dragon is awakening!
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
Where are you getting the information from that says people aren't staying?
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
I think a lot of it was the fact that Brad McQuaid admitted to it shipping before it was "finished" to his liking, but he was pretty much forced to ship it because the funding was running out. So combine an unfinished product with the creators admittal to it being unfinished makes for a bad start. Then also combine that with SOE buying out Sigil and eliminating some of the original Sigil people, so now fixes were taking too long to happen. Therefore this game shipped with, what I would say, was way more technical issues than other mmo's during their launch. So yes people did leave because of technical issues. I'm one of them and I'm also re-subscribed to the game because it is fixed in comparison to it's launch.
Sure, some people may have left because they just didn't like the game, but I think the majority left due to the technical issues. Some of us wanted a more up-to-date EQ ( I did anyways), and this was that game but was near broken at launch....now I have my EQ replacement the way it was meant to be.
But that is exactly what I'm arguing. Techinical issues in a game's past have not stopped people from coming back to them if the game was good, it has been proven over and over again with the games I listed. So, what exactly is the excuse for Vanguard? They've fixed many of the technical issues and Vanguard doesn't suffer from any worse negative exposure than Anarchy Online suffered and yet it's not recovering. The only remaining explanation would be the game does not appeal to the majority of players and likely never will. I think "Old School" is dead and will likely never make a comeback.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
Where are you getting the information from that says people aren't staying?
Oh, I don't know, maybe it's due to the constant moaning of VG players about the empty servers?
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
I'll have to say that this is a flat out lie. I tried the game about a month ago and there is still about 3 second hitching at border areas and the performance is absolutely horrid in even sparsly populated cities.
I have tried this multiple times... on different machines... high spec machines, and what did I read before trying the game again each time? "Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more." Not true at all, maybe for the bugs, but not performance.
Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
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How do you figure I was flaming another game? I never said WoW was a bad game. I mentioned that the younger players spamming "which Im sure anyone who plays WoW will agree"... is annoying. I like alot of differant games. Nice slight troll attempt there on me bud
Every game involves spamming whether you're a kiddie or not.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
Yeah the game has really good concept, but the game isn't really good. The problem is it got good too late. Most MMO's get 2 chances to draw a player base in: 1) at release 2) 1 year after release. I wanted to like this game but a lack of server population mixed with lack of new content made it impossible.
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BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
couldnt be any less false... so that means its true. Thanks
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
couldnt be any less false... so that means its true. Thanks
Ok Bodeus good 1 .. Your statement brings nothing to the conversation is completely wrong , has no knowledge of anything realative to Vanguards Isle or later game .. If you played it you would know this and realize just how foolish your statements are...
Have you even played Vanguard ?
If you have when did you leave ?
What level did you get to ?
Character name and server?
Why did you leave if you did?
Ill start fact is the starter Isle uses the Telon enviroment , and IMO the rest of Telon is better fleshed out , with much more intresting features, quest lines ,diplomacy and crafting to pursue..
And after reading this thread , i gotta wonder why are you here , you have brought nothing to this thread accept a constant attempt to derail a thread,started by some one simply saying they are enjoying a game...
Your constant flaming ,trolling of every positive comment that someone makes is just stupid .. what do you care if the OP is enjoying the game...
After hearing a lot of hate and a lot of fan boying about this game, I have decided to download the trial of this game. I hope that this game does have strong PvE like some have said. In anycase sounds like a good way to stay preocupied considering there are no good MMO's out right now and I'm just web surfing all day waiting for SWTOR and JE to be released.
VG:SoH has been a decent game for quite some time. Sadly it was completely borked in the beginning and subsequent movement over to SOE that the fanbase has dwindled to nothing. I personally loved the game from an immersion and graphics perspective. The combat was decent, the crafting I found enjoyable if grindy and annoying at times. The diplomacy was, so-so in my opinion. But anyway, my point is that if I had actually found a core group of friends to play VG, I would still be playing today. There lies the problem though, like so many other games now, the population does not help the game. If you have some friends in VG though, it is a good game.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
I started recently, my first character I started directly on the mainland, not on IoD. The game is fun, so I decided to start an alt, and started it on IoD.
The island is just like the mainland, and performance was the same for me. There is more stuff packed into a smaller space on the island, while on the mainland the same stuff is more spread out. IHMO, the island and the mainland are the same.
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BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
I started recently, my first character I started directly on the mainland, not on IoD. The game is fun, so I decided to start an alt, and started it on IoD.
The island is just like the mainland, and performance was the same for me. There is more stuff packed into a smaller space on the island, while on the mainland the same stuff is more spread out. IHMO, the island and the mainland are the same.
My performance is a little bit worse (about 10fps worth) on IoD because of all the players.
BS. Why make blatantly false Definitive statements like this? It just makes YOU and the game look bad when people do decide to try it and they find bugs and performance issues and low populations. You should at least qualify the statement as YOUR opinion and not irrefutable fact.
Funny.
This game is really no different than most other MMOs now in terms of performance and bugs. From launch until about 6-8 months ago, performance and bugs DID drive a lot of people from this game and stopped many others from joining.
If someone tries it now, and doesn't like it, well, then at least they got to give it a whirl and make their determination on actual gameplay. Sure, still some bugs and performance issues for older PCs, but they aren't game breakers anymore.
I completely respect someone trying the game and saying they don't like it because of the animations, or the combat mechanics or whatever legitimate reasons they have. I don't respect someone who attacks every positive post someone makes with false statements.
I don't know why some are so opposed to new or returning players trying the game out for free on Isle of Dawn. That is totally risk-free and I see no reason why that would trigger such an emotional response in some of the posters on this thread.
You know as well as I do that the Isle of Dawn is NOT indicitive of the rest of telon. The Isle of Dawn was specificly created for showing a level of quality and performance NOT seen in the rest of the game.
This statement Bodeus couldnt be any less false .....
couldnt be any less false... so that means its true. Thanks
Ok Bodeus good 1 .. Your statement brings nothing to the conversation is completely wrong , has no knowledge of anything realative to Vanguards Isle or later game .. If you played it you would know this and realize just how foolish your statements are...
Have you even played Vanguard ?
If you have when did you leave ?
What level did you get to ?
Character name and server?
Why did you leave if you did?
Ill start fact is the starter Isle uses the Telon enviroment , and IMO the rest of Telon is better fleshed out , with much more intresting features, quest lines ,diplomacy and crafting to pursue..
And after reading this thread , i gotta wonder why are you here , you have brought nothing to this thread accept a constant attempt to derail a thread,started by some one simply saying they are enjoying a game...
Your constant flaming ,trolling of every positive comment that someone makes is just stupid .. what do you care if the OP is enjoying the game...
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My thoughts exactly!
I have made more friends in Vanguard the last month than I have in any game I have played in the last 10 years. And only after a month! I'm grouped constantly and have been introducing all my new friends to all my other new friends and thinking about starting my own guild now. The community here is the best that I have seen! Hands down. ANd the population is growing steadly as everyone whom I have talked to are amazed and are getting thier real life friends to play as well and everyone is loving it! SOE had better wake up and pull thier heads out of thier asses cause the sleeping dragon is awakening!
I have made more friends in Vanguard the last month than I have in any game I have played in the last 10 years. And only after a month! I'm grouped constantly and have been introducing all my new friends to all my other new friends and thinking about starting my own guild now. The community here is the best that I have seen! Hands down.
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Why do you fanbois still believe that people left due to technical difficulties? Is it that hard to believe that people just don't like the game? Every MMO has had technical difficulties at one point or another, including AO, EQ, EQ II and WoW and yet they ended up with plenty of players, so what exactly is your excuse for Vanguard?
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I must admit here that YES it is true Vanguard isn't for everyone. Specially all the MMO noobs that has been bread by Blizzard with WoW. But then again that is a "good thing" . If all those type of gamers suddenly came to Vanguard the game and community would be ruined as WoW is ruined. But for people looking for that old school feel where MMO's actually had some depth and required actual thought it is great! Post WOW players have no clue of what I am referring to. 11 million gamers does NOT a good game make! It just means the company knows how to advertise/promote thier product as a cash cow.
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
I must admit here that YES it is true Vanguard isn't for everyone. Specially all the MMO noobs that has been bread by Blizzard with WoW. But then again that is a "good thing" . If all those type of gamers suddenly came to Vanguard the game and community would be ruined as WoW is ruined. But for people looking for that old school feel where MMO's actually had some depth and required actual thought it is great! Post WOW players have no clue of what I am referring to. 11 million gamers does NOT a good game make! It just means the company knows how to advertise/promote thier product as a cash cow.
You can advertise and promote a game with billions of dollars, but good luck keeping any of them if the game is not appealing. WoW keeps players because they find it fun and entertaining and that makes it a good game in anyone's book. Anarchy Online had the worst launch and worst first year of any game on the market. Despite this, they recovered quite well and certainly have a bigger share of the market than Vanguard. They hardly advertise their game at all.
All I'm seeing are excuses being made for a game that has little appeal to many, many players. You're right in that this is a game that is trying to garner that "old school" feel, but it obviously isn't working and it begs the question if anything old school could ever be profitable in today's market.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I think a lot of it was the fact that Brad McQuaid admitted to it shipping before it was "finished" to his liking, but he was pretty much forced to ship it because the funding was running out. So combine an unfinished product with the creators admittal to it being unfinished makes for a bad start. Then also combine that with SOE buying out Sigil and eliminating some of the original Sigil people, so now fixes were taking too long to happen. Therefore this game shipped with, what I would say, was way more technical issues than other mmo's during their launch. So yes people did leave because of technical issues. I'm one of them and I'm also re-subscribed to the game because it is fixed in comparison to it's launch.
Sure, some people may have left because they just didn't like the game, but I think the majority left due to the technical issues. Some of us wanted a more up-to-date EQ ( I did anyways), and this was that game but was near broken at launch....now I have my EQ replacement the way it was meant to be.
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Must I keep posting here. This is driving me nuts I am going to go play my game now...Safe journeys to you all. See you in Telon!
I have made more friends in Vanguard the last month than I have in any game I have played in the last 10 years. And only after a month! I'm grouped constantly and have been introducing all my new friends to all my other new friends and thinking about starting my own guild now. The community here is the best that I have seen! Hands down. ANd the population is growing steadly as everyone whom I have talked to are amazed and are getting thier real life friends to play as well and everyone is loving it! SOE had better wake up and pull thier heads out of thier asses cause the sleeping dragon is awakening!
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
Where are you getting the information from that says people aren't staying?
I think a lot of it was the fact that Brad McQuaid admitted to it shipping before it was "finished" to his liking, but he was pretty much forced to ship it because the funding was running out. So combine an unfinished product with the creators admittal to it being unfinished makes for a bad start. Then also combine that with SOE buying out Sigil and eliminating some of the original Sigil people, so now fixes were taking too long to happen. Therefore this game shipped with, what I would say, was way more technical issues than other mmo's during their launch. So yes people did leave because of technical issues. I'm one of them and I'm also re-subscribed to the game because it is fixed in comparison to it's launch.
Sure, some people may have left because they just didn't like the game, but I think the majority left due to the technical issues. Some of us wanted a more up-to-date EQ ( I did anyways), and this was that game but was near broken at launch....now I have my EQ replacement the way it was meant to be.
But that is exactly what I'm arguing. Techinical issues in a game's past have not stopped people from coming back to them if the game was good, it has been proven over and over again with the games I listed. So, what exactly is the excuse for Vanguard? They've fixed many of the technical issues and Vanguard doesn't suffer from any worse negative exposure than Anarchy Online suffered and yet it's not recovering. The only remaining explanation would be the game does not appeal to the majority of players and likely never will. I think "Old School" is dead and will likely never make a comeback.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
Where are you getting the information from that says people aren't staying?
Oh, I don't know, maybe it's due to the constant moaning of VG players about the empty servers?
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
I'll have to say that this is a flat out lie. I tried the game about a month ago and there is still about 3 second hitching at border areas and the performance is absolutely horrid in even sparsly populated cities.
I have tried this multiple times... on different machines... high spec machines, and what did I read before trying the game again each time? "Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more." Not true at all, maybe for the bugs, but not performance.
ummm?? That was the point being made. Performance and bugs aren't an issue any more. So if someone tries it and doesn't like it, that's fine. At least they got to make that judgment on the actual game.
What makes you think that tons of people haven't come back and tried it and left again. According to the developers, the trial isle has been a huge success in that it has drawn back many players, obviously most aren't staying, heh.
OK, ummm?? Check the populations.