By the lack of reaction can we guess that AV has muzzled Tasos? Or does he think a 4 is that much better than a 2? (I'm still waiting for them to post the log details of this reviewer as well)
Tasos----------------->
But if you notice in the text of the review they mentioned that they purchased the game apparently in one of the F5 lotteries and doing so i don't believe that they did so using their Gamereactor company credit card.So ithink that this time pulling some logs as "proof " isn't even possible since they don't even know what the info under which the account was bought , unlike the first time when they gave the account for free in hope of a more favorable review. This time they really have to "take it to the chin" .
As for a mushroom cloud over Tasos's house, to answer another person that mentioned it in this thread, i don't know about that but i heard there was a lot of unusual seismic activity in Athens lately and seismologists say that maybe it was caused by all the "feet -stomping-to-the ground-due-to-a-bad-review" syndrome that had occured for the first time about 7 days or so ago.
By the lack of reaction can we guess that AV has muzzled Tasos? Or does he think a 4 is that much better than a 2? (I'm still waiting for them to post the log details of this reviewer as well)
I believe Tasos will not mention a word because unlike EuroGamer, Gamereactor's reviews do not affect the metacritic score. Which means the 2/10 EG gave to DF also appears on known gaming sites such as GameSpot.
Geeze, English is my 4th language, but even I got the message from that poorly translated text.
This.
(I need to preface this, this is not aimed at Jimmy, but those vocal and narrowminded fanbots.)
Here is the biggest problem I see with the majority of the fanbots: They can read the glowing "reviews" from correspondents on this site who omit the bad or gloss over it, and seem to call the review fair and unbiased. Yet, you get someone who reviews the game, thinks it is shite, and points out what they did not like, they are labeled carebears, haters, and people who did not play the game. Double standard anyone?
Or they get told to get enjoyment out of the game, you need to do x, y, and z, or you weren't doing this or that right. So let me get this straight...to get enjoyment out of a sandbox game, a game style that is supposed to offer the ultimate in freedom of choice, there are things I have to do to enjoy it? Do we not see something wrong with this logic?
Also, because someone has tried your game and doesn't like it, all of the sudden their opinion doesn't count, is discredited, and now you feel the need to label them and try to call them out?
Let's set something straight: This world is full of people with different thoughts, opinions, tastes, and ideas. Just because someone doesn't like the same things as you, hold to your beliefs, or doesn't think your game is the best thing since sliced bread or the creation of Playboy (or maybe Playgirl for some of you), this doesn't make them wrong, carebears, or any less "hardcore" than most fanbots seem to envision themselves to be.
I have played WoW/LOTRO/themepark games, and had fun (but I have played and enjoyed SB and the like). There, I said it. Tell me I am not hardcore. You know what else I have done? I have run into burning structures in real life, facing what just about equates to the fires of hell in the hopes of saving a life. And I get to do that every day I go to work. What about soldiers, cops, and the like who have enjoyed WoW and the like or disliked DFO, think they are carebears or aren't hardcore? I think these professions trump these fanbot ideas of hardcore.
But, I digress. You like the game, great. Have fun, embrace and enjoy it. Just stop discounting the experiences of others that are counter to your own. Also realize, your game is not without flaws. See the flaws, embrace the flaws, discuss them, talk about how they can be improved, and voice that to the developers. That's the only way to improve the game, and make things better (that is if the developers listen). Ignoring the flaws and pretending everything is grand in the world in your head will lead to nothing but the stagnation and death of your game. You would probably also get less flaming from the games critics (then again, it is an open forum).
Another clarification on my last post...it was not aimed at fanbots versus critics (or as they are known to fanbots, "haters"), it was aimed at fanbots versus former fans or those who have tried and did not like the game. =P
Geeze, English is my 4th language, but even I got the message from that poorly translated text.
This.
(I need to preface this, this is not aimed at Jimmy, but those vocal and narrowminded fanbots.)
Here is the biggest problem I see with the majority of the fanbots: They can read the glowing "reviews" from correspondents on this site who omit the bad or gloss over it, and seem to call the review fair and unbiased. Yet, you get someone who reviews the game, thinks it is shite, and points out what they did not like, they are labeled carebears, haters, and people who did not play the game. Double standard anyone?
Or they get told to get enjoyment out of the game, you need to do x, y, and z, or you weren't doing this or that right. So let me get this straight...to get enjoyment out of a sandbox game, a game style that is supposed to offer the ultimate in freedom of choice, there are things I have to do to enjoy it? Do we not see something wrong with this logic?
Also, because someone has tried your game and doesn't like it, all of the sudden their opinion doesn't count, is discredited, and now you feel the need to label them and try to call them out?
Let's set something straight: This world is full of people with different thoughts, opinions, tastes, and ideas. Just because someone doesn't like the same things as you, hold to your beliefs, or doesn't think your game is the best thing since sliced bread or the creation of Playboy (or maybe Playgirl for some of you), this doesn't make them wrong, carebears, or any less "hardcore" than most fanbots seem to envision themselves to be.
I have played WoW/LOTRO/themepark games, and had fun (but I have played and enjoyed SB and the like). There, I said it. Tell me I am not hardcore. You know what else I have done? I have run into burning structures in real life, facing what just about equates to the fires of hell in the hopes of saving a life. And I get to do that every day I go to work. What about soldiers, cops, and the like who have enjoyed WoW and the like or disliked DFO, think they are carebears or aren't hardcore? I think these professions trump these fanbot ideas of hardcore.
But, I digress. You like the game, great. Have fun, embrace and enjoy it. Just stop discounting the experiences of others that are counter to your own. Also realize, your game is not without flaws. See the flaws, embrace the flaws, discuss them, talk about how they can be improved, and voice that to the developers. That's the only way to improve the game, and make things better (that is if the developers listen). Ignoring the flaws and pretending everything is grand in the world in your head will lead to nothing but the stagnation and death of your game. You would probably also get less flaming from the games critics (then again, it is an open forum).
It's kind of funny.
I just wrote my very first ever review of a game.
I found it very lacking and shallow. Overall a bad game not worth the money spent.
I played for two months, and in exactly the fashion the game would expect you to play. Kind of odd saying that when others insist on calling it a sandbox, but in the end I did play as the game is meant to be played sandbox or not.
Not much argument from the fans yet though.
No discrediting. No, you didn't play long enough, no you didn't do x, y, or z.
Geeze, English is my 4th language, but even I got the message from that poorly translated text.
This.
(I need to preface this, this is not aimed at Jimmy, but those vocal and narrowminded fanbots.)
Here is the biggest problem I see with the majority of the fanbots: They can read the glowing "reviews" from correspondents on this site who omit the bad or gloss over it, and seem to call the review fair and unbiased. Yet, you get someone who reviews the game, thinks it is shite, and points out what they did not like, they are labeled carebears, haters, and people who did not play the game. Double standard anyone?
Or they get told to get enjoyment out of the game, you need to do x, y, and z, or you weren't doing this or that right. So let me get this straight...to get enjoyment out of a sandbox game, a game style that is supposed to offer the ultimate in freedom of choice, there are things I have to do to enjoy it? Do we not see something wrong with this logic?
Also, because someone has tried your game and doesn't like it, all of the sudden their opinion doesn't count, is discredited, and now you feel the need to label them and try to call them out?
Let's set something straight: This world is full of people with different thoughts, opinions, tastes, and ideas. Just because someone doesn't like the same things as you, hold to your beliefs, or doesn't think your game is the best thing since sliced bread or the creation of Playboy (or maybe Playgirl for some of you), this doesn't make them wrong, carebears, or any less "hardcore" than most fanbots seem to envision themselves to be.
I have played WoW/LOTRO/themepark games, and had fun (but I have played and enjoyed SB and the like). There, I said it. Tell me I am not hardcore. You know what else I have done? I have run into burning structures in real life, facing what just about equates to the fires of hell in the hopes of saving a life. And I get to do that every day I go to work. What about soldiers, cops, and the like who have enjoyed WoW and the like or disliked DFO, think they are carebears or aren't hardcore? I think these professions trump these fanbot ideas of hardcore.
But, I digress. You like the game, great. Have fun, embrace and enjoy it. Just stop discounting the experiences of others that are counter to your own. Also realize, your game is not without flaws. See the flaws, embrace the flaws, discuss them, talk about how they can be improved, and voice that to the developers. That's the only way to improve the game, and make things better (that is if the developers listen). Ignoring the flaws and pretending everything is grand in the world in your head will lead to nothing but the stagnation and death of your game. You would probably also get less flaming from the games critics (then again, it is an open forum).
It's kind of funny.
I just wrote my very first ever review of a game.
I found it very lacking and shallow. Overall a bad game not worth the money spent.
I played for two months, and in exactly the fashion the game would expect you to play. Kind of odd saying that when others insist on calling it a sandbox, but in the end I did play as the game is meant to be played sandbox or not.
Not much argument from the fans yet though.
No discrediting. No, you didn't play long enough, no you didn't do x, y, or z.
I'm wondering why.
There has been a great disturbance in the force...
The reviewer only played for 3 weeks,he needs to play for 7 years to fully grasp Darkfall,soo therfor the review is null,dont listen to a word he says! dont listen to any reviewers who havent played for more then 7 years ,unless it's a 8+/10 score,then u can listen,cause you can tell he played more then 7 years!!!
You fanboys crack me up. Any and I do mean any review that comes out as negative towards DF will be met with he was a carebear blah blah blah. Fact is DF is garbage. They can't even update their damn website to show what is currently available in the game which is practically nothing.
DF is nothing but a fps in a persistant empty world.
i play df, i have fun. who are you to tell me what i love or hate? you're nobody.
i play eve, i have fun. i like a lot of things about eve. some combat mechanics (esp. POS warfare) i think are total crap.
i play coh, i have fun. tons of stuff about that game bothers me.
no one argues with me that POS warfare is anything but a long, drawn-out borefest.
no one argues with me about items like stalker's placate is broken (did they EVER fix it? maybe this last patch?)
but, i can point out glaring problems in darkfall... problems so obvious, that to deny them, you have either never played darkfall, or you're simply lying... and people will argue with me about them.
not only that, but random twits will call me a hater. hater hater hater... sounding like some 8 year old on a school yard... and NORMALLY, that's the extent of it. nothing to back up ANYTHING said... just "oh you're wrong, you're a hater"... just like a small child would argue.
if someone is going to tell me that 1+1=steel girder; welp, i'm done. there's a certain point where you just can't help an individual.
be better than that.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Yeah because DF is soooo hardcore with its global banking and naked zerg fests and simplistic combat. Hmmmmm
Seriously Javac one day shouting go back to WoW will have no effect (if indeed it is now). In fact for most people here you should probably be saying 'go back to eve'. But alas we don't dare talk about eves intelligent complexity compared to DF silly childish nature.
But you know, I can understand why people like DF. They need PvP ... but lets not pretend the game is someone elevated above WoW. It is in many ways exactly catering to the kiddie PVP non intelligent mindset. Place it on a scale between Eve and WoW and its nearer WoW. (Sadly)
Living beathing world with consequences my ass. Thats why this game get 4 out of ten maxmimum in my book.
re-read the simple carebear comment. he implied he must be a "simple carebear" (getting right into the childlike darkfall mentality there) for enjoying sophisticated and available games; in other words, games that dont feel like theyre coded by blind monkeys with a deep hatred of user interfaces and animations and which have available accounts at all times, not when another 50 people have left the game.
secondly, the old wow excuse has run its course im afraid. you cant blame all of darkfalls or your own failings on world of warcraft and the evil blizzard. didnt the same gaming site give eve 8-9 out of 10? eve is about as far removed from wow as you can get. as for the silver platter thing, well didnt darkfall hand all the early guilds lots of gold on a silver platter through exploits? hmm.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
why do you people continue to give this piece of crap a breath of fresh air every week? Let this abomination of a "game" die its deserved death. No one cares about it, no one plays it, so why bother wasting perfectly good minutes of your lives talking about it. Ive taken dumps that are more exciting than this crapulent excrement of a game... just let it die.
Avoid at all costs - this is less entertaining than setting fire to a ten-pound note. You'll have barely ever seen a 2/10 on EG - and for very good reason. A game this bad almost certainly won't reach our eyes, because publishers generally know better than to send games of this standard to us in the first place. In many cases these are your typical "straight to budget" titles that no sane publisher would try and release at full price, and they certainly wouldn't want us to rip them to shreds in public.
What you're facing here is a game with appalling generic visuals built around an awful design, cursed with cretinous AI, brain-frying audio and controls that feel like they've been designed to upset people or boost sales of replacement game pads. It could just be that the game is just so hideously old fashioned that someone has released the game by mistake. Who knows what goes through the minds of people who feel the need to try and sell crap? Pity them, and pity the fools that stock it and more so the morons that end up buying it without checking first.
let's color red the parts which DO describe darkfall, exactly as it was, when the reviewer was playing... shall we?
Two - about as entertaining as 'flu
Avoid at all costs - this is less entertaining than setting fire to a ten-pound note. You'll have barely ever seen a 2/10 on EG - and for very good reason. A game this bad almost certainly won't reach our eyes, because publishers generally know better than to send games of this standard to us in the first place. In many cases these are your typical "straight to budget" titles that no sane publisher would try and release at full price, and they certainly wouldn't want us to rip them to shreds in public.
What you're facing here is a game with appalling generic visuals built around an awful design, cursed with cretinous AI, brain-frying audio and controls that feel like they've been designed to upset people or boost sales of replacement game pads. It could just be that the game is just so hideously old fashioned that someone has released the game by mistake. Who knows what goes through the minds of people who feel the need to try and sell crap? Pity them, and pity the fools that stock it and more so the morons that end up buying it without checking first.
it could be a 3/10 (seen below); but honestly... the publisher that owns this game wouldn't put it on shelves? and the old fashioned statement... heck... i'm sorry, but it deserves the 2/10
hree - not for me, thanks
Now we're getting into hair-tearing territory, where a game is so flawed in so many ways that you're quite sure that even the developer and the publisher know full well what's wrong with the game. At this point the companies involved often go into damage limitation mode and may not even supply review code to publications in the first place. This is one of the reasons you don't see a lot of games scoring low marks on EG. One of the other main reasons is that there are more than enough good games being released to spend too much time worrying about covering the dross.
A three will be an often quite punishing gaming experience. It will be the kind of game that in all likelihood you can tell is bad just by looking at it. Screenshots may well suggest otherwise, but see it running and you're immediately likely to tell why it's bad without having to get your hands dirty. The controls will almost certainly be shoddy, the playability will be all over the place, crash bugs will probably be evident, graphical glitches, camera problems, nightmarish and arbitrary difficulty hikes that inspire new swear words and quite probably some cringeworthy attempts at cool or the kind of storytelling that ought to be outlawed by an EU directive. You'll definitely want your money back, and you'll tell your gaming friends to stay the hell away, or you'll show them it just to punish or amuse them,
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
lol you know you're dealing with rabid DF haters when a reviewer can admit he's a "simple carebear" and they pretend that that didn't heavily impact his scoring.
it's the WOW-clone mindset all over again -- blah blah this game does not duplicate WOW's mechanics and WOW's mindset of spoonfeeding the player everything on a silver platter such that even when you lose a BG or arena match, you still get points/tokens....... darkfall sucks waaa!!
major lolz at the guy blaming getting his mount stolen on "bad mechanics". LOL. i really hope it was me who stole your mount. seriously guys, just go back to WOW. stop wasting your time here. there are already carebear games galore for you to play.
You have REPEATEDLY posted this exact same thing in this thread. You REPEATEDLY keep taking a single line completely out of context.
It's getting old, childish, and down right not fitting of a man that claims to be 36 with a PHD.
My 12 year old knows better then to behaive like this.
wonder what will happen when someone like TTH does a review of the game and finds it lacking.........
---------- "Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I'm disgusted by this amateurish, tainted and obviously biased review. I mean 4/10? Was this guy on acid when he played the game? There is no way that DFO merits 4/10, maybe 3/10 at most but this reviewer was probably paid off by Aventurine. Just that that they only had enough to bump the review up from 1/10 to 4/10 since they have only 6k subs! I guess Tasos will be angry as he has to cancel his WoW sub and cut back on humus this month!
So you played DarkFall then ? having it called vapoware in another thread leads to impression you didn't play.
Either you have not played it and you dont know shit about or you played it but then you should stop calling it vapor.
make up your mind.
On paid Beta "release" I was arrest and sent to an Iranian prison, on my first day I was ganked by a group of half naked guys with bad breath then over the course of a month repeatedly raped by a tall Greek guy naked. There was nothing to do but fight all day, the only woman I spoke to was my mother over skype telling me to get out of there find a woman and get a job.
I was locked up with about 10k fellow inmates, quarters were spartan and I spent most of my time in my cell sitting on a cold hard bench staring at a bucket of excrement.
You sir win the internet!
DOAC is still the MMO I judge other games by, My first and still my favorite.
You eiter have someone review DF who is a fan or isn't a fan. I'd rather have someone who is biased against DF review the game. Someone who is a fan would be biased toward the game.
Thats the arguement alot are using. DF gets bad reviews because the reviewers are biased against it but the flip side of that is having someone biased toward the game review it. I'm not gonna place much faith in a slobbering review made a biased fan of DF or the genre it represents.
Sure you can have someone biased for the game give a fair review just as someone who is biased against the game can give a fair review. It works both ways.
If someone biased against DF gives a great review and a decent score, maybe a high score....thats says alot more than a high score from someone biased for the game.
I likely quit playing WoW before you did. Here is where you lie and claim you never played, never liked it, it or quit in beta...instead of simply saying it got old.
"carebear"?..is that running around with your 3 friends all decked out in gear, skills you macro'd against a wall for the past month(they changed that), killing naked new players at a Goblin camps 50 steps outside a newbie town?..ah no thats the "hardcore pvper" pffffff
Darkfall is ok..if you get in then try it you might like it despite its major flaws. If you don't get in before the upcoming MMO's like Mortal, Aion, etc are released..you didn't miss anything.
If you think this is a 7/10 then EVERY MMO besides this one you better give a 9/10...WoW a 10/10.
You are so right in this post and you are pressing exactly on the right point. We darkfall players, are not trying to say the game is 8 or 9/10. It never was and it never will be, but the game has a certain quality that I have been looking for, for a long time. It's fun its manic, and crazy PvPwise. If you want to play Darkfall, play it for the right reasons.
Who cares if anyh of the sites mirror Eurogamers?the whole point was that they lied and the reviewer acting on behalf of Eurogamer lied. Then there is the FACT that not everyone agrees on everything,so for every site you find that agrees,you can find many that don't. What i have seen is actual BS posting for the most part,people LOOKING for the negative of DF,instead of just looking at the game for what it does .I don't ever remember TAOS saying his game was ground breaking,or that they have the best graphics around or they have the best animations around. I do not get all wound up on DF,because i knew from the beginning what this game was about and what is had to offer and it was nothing that appealed to me.So in essence i could find a ton to complain about,but it is a game that is not designed to be fun for me,so i would be biased in my opinions. As an outsider looking at DF,i really don't see the fuss ,as IMO there is no such thing as a good PVP game anywhere in the RPG genre,as it DOES NOT belong in the RPG genre.PVP is something that SHOULD be relegated to the FPS genre,that is why it has so much drama and fails on so many fronts,and it DOES fail and not just in DF,but every RPG game that tries to use it.
Pardon me?
If the EG review was a lie, then why did this review point out the exact same things?
That was already addressed,because the reviewer used other ACTUAL reviewers to fake his own review.It is VERY easy to do,and i bet has been done before this Zitron guy.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I'm disgusted by this amateurish, tainted and obviously biased review. I mean 4/10? Was this guy on acid when he played the game? There is no way that DFO merits 4/10, maybe 3/10 at most but this reviewer was probably paid off by Aventurine. Just that that they only had enough to bump the review up from 1/10 to 4/10 since they have only 6k subs! I guess Tasos will be angry as he has to cancel his WoW sub and cut back on humus this month!
So you played DarkFall then ? having it called vapoware in another thread leads to impression you didn't play.
Either you have not played it and you dont know shit about or you played it but then you should stop calling it vapor.
make up your mind.
Having played it, its crap, Half The time I was macroing everything, harvesting, weapons skills, spells etc. When I wasn't playing I swam. I didn't just macro I was there for most of the Huge sieges(laggy as hell), random ganks, some end game PVE for full plate etc. It was fun for the thrill and rush of risk vs reward, but it is a crap game that did fail to deliver. The game is getting into a better shape but it still sucks. Why play it if its so bad? its the only one of its kind. Hopefully MO will actually deliver. DF worst PR EVER!
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By the lack of reaction can we guess that AV has muzzled Tasos? Or does he think a 4 is that much better than a 2?
(I'm still waiting for them to post the log details of this reviewer as well)
Tasos----------------->
But if you notice in the text of the review they mentioned that they purchased the game apparently in one of the F5 lotteries and doing so i don't believe that they did so using their Gamereactor company credit card.So ithink that this time pulling some logs as "proof " isn't even possible since they don't even know what the info under which the account was bought , unlike the first time when they gave the account for free in hope of a more favorable review. This time they really have to "take it to the chin" .
As for a mushroom cloud over Tasos's house, to answer another person that mentioned it in this thread, i don't know about that but i heard there was a lot of unusual seismic activity in Athens lately and seismologists say that maybe it was caused by all the "feet -stomping-to-the ground-due-to-a-bad-review" syndrome that had occured for the first time about 7 days or so ago.
Iiii-iiiiiit's.... me!!! *Hooray*
I believe Tasos will not mention a word because unlike EuroGamer, Gamereactor's reviews do not affect the metacritic score. Which means the 2/10 EG gave to DF also appears on known gaming sites such as GameSpot.
This.
(I need to preface this, this is not aimed at Jimmy, but those vocal and narrowminded fanbots.)
Here is the biggest problem I see with the majority of the fanbots: They can read the glowing "reviews" from correspondents on this site who omit the bad or gloss over it, and seem to call the review fair and unbiased. Yet, you get someone who reviews the game, thinks it is shite, and points out what they did not like, they are labeled carebears, haters, and people who did not play the game. Double standard anyone?
Or they get told to get enjoyment out of the game, you need to do x, y, and z, or you weren't doing this or that right. So let me get this straight...to get enjoyment out of a sandbox game, a game style that is supposed to offer the ultimate in freedom of choice, there are things I have to do to enjoy it? Do we not see something wrong with this logic?
Also, because someone has tried your game and doesn't like it, all of the sudden their opinion doesn't count, is discredited, and now you feel the need to label them and try to call them out?
Let's set something straight: This world is full of people with different thoughts, opinions, tastes, and ideas. Just because someone doesn't like the same things as you, hold to your beliefs, or doesn't think your game is the best thing since sliced bread or the creation of Playboy (or maybe Playgirl for some of you), this doesn't make them wrong, carebears, or any less "hardcore" than most fanbots seem to envision themselves to be.
I have played WoW/LOTRO/themepark games, and had fun (but I have played and enjoyed SB and the like). There, I said it. Tell me I am not hardcore. You know what else I have done? I have run into burning structures in real life, facing what just about equates to the fires of hell in the hopes of saving a life. And I get to do that every day I go to work. What about soldiers, cops, and the like who have enjoyed WoW and the like or disliked DFO, think they are carebears or aren't hardcore? I think these professions trump these fanbot ideas of hardcore.
But, I digress. You like the game, great. Have fun, embrace and enjoy it. Just stop discounting the experiences of others that are counter to your own. Also realize, your game is not without flaws. See the flaws, embrace the flaws, discuss them, talk about how they can be improved, and voice that to the developers. That's the only way to improve the game, and make things better (that is if the developers listen). Ignoring the flaws and pretending everything is grand in the world in your head will lead to nothing but the stagnation and death of your game. You would probably also get less flaming from the games critics (then again, it is an open forum).
Another clarification on my last post...it was not aimed at fanbots versus critics (or as they are known to fanbots, "haters"), it was aimed at fanbots versus former fans or those who have tried and did not like the game. =P
This.
(I need to preface this, this is not aimed at Jimmy, but those vocal and narrowminded fanbots.)
Here is the biggest problem I see with the majority of the fanbots: They can read the glowing "reviews" from correspondents on this site who omit the bad or gloss over it, and seem to call the review fair and unbiased. Yet, you get someone who reviews the game, thinks it is shite, and points out what they did not like, they are labeled carebears, haters, and people who did not play the game. Double standard anyone?
Or they get told to get enjoyment out of the game, you need to do x, y, and z, or you weren't doing this or that right. So let me get this straight...to get enjoyment out of a sandbox game, a game style that is supposed to offer the ultimate in freedom of choice, there are things I have to do to enjoy it? Do we not see something wrong with this logic?
Also, because someone has tried your game and doesn't like it, all of the sudden their opinion doesn't count, is discredited, and now you feel the need to label them and try to call them out?
Let's set something straight: This world is full of people with different thoughts, opinions, tastes, and ideas. Just because someone doesn't like the same things as you, hold to your beliefs, or doesn't think your game is the best thing since sliced bread or the creation of Playboy (or maybe Playgirl for some of you), this doesn't make them wrong, carebears, or any less "hardcore" than most fanbots seem to envision themselves to be.
I have played WoW/LOTRO/themepark games, and had fun (but I have played and enjoyed SB and the like). There, I said it. Tell me I am not hardcore. You know what else I have done? I have run into burning structures in real life, facing what just about equates to the fires of hell in the hopes of saving a life. And I get to do that every day I go to work. What about soldiers, cops, and the like who have enjoyed WoW and the like or disliked DFO, think they are carebears or aren't hardcore? I think these professions trump these fanbot ideas of hardcore.
But, I digress. You like the game, great. Have fun, embrace and enjoy it. Just stop discounting the experiences of others that are counter to your own. Also realize, your game is not without flaws. See the flaws, embrace the flaws, discuss them, talk about how they can be improved, and voice that to the developers. That's the only way to improve the game, and make things better (that is if the developers listen). Ignoring the flaws and pretending everything is grand in the world in your head will lead to nothing but the stagnation and death of your game. You would probably also get less flaming from the games critics (then again, it is an open forum).
It's kind of funny.
I just wrote my very first ever review of a game.
I found it very lacking and shallow. Overall a bad game not worth the money spent.
I played for two months, and in exactly the fashion the game would expect you to play. Kind of odd saying that when others insist on calling it a sandbox, but in the end I did play as the game is meant to be played sandbox or not.
Not much argument from the fans yet though.
No discrediting. No, you didn't play long enough, no you didn't do x, y, or z.
I'm wondering why.
This.
(I need to preface this, this is not aimed at Jimmy, but those vocal and narrowminded fanbots.)
Here is the biggest problem I see with the majority of the fanbots: They can read the glowing "reviews" from correspondents on this site who omit the bad or gloss over it, and seem to call the review fair and unbiased. Yet, you get someone who reviews the game, thinks it is shite, and points out what they did not like, they are labeled carebears, haters, and people who did not play the game. Double standard anyone?
Or they get told to get enjoyment out of the game, you need to do x, y, and z, or you weren't doing this or that right. So let me get this straight...to get enjoyment out of a sandbox game, a game style that is supposed to offer the ultimate in freedom of choice, there are things I have to do to enjoy it? Do we not see something wrong with this logic?
Also, because someone has tried your game and doesn't like it, all of the sudden their opinion doesn't count, is discredited, and now you feel the need to label them and try to call them out?
Let's set something straight: This world is full of people with different thoughts, opinions, tastes, and ideas. Just because someone doesn't like the same things as you, hold to your beliefs, or doesn't think your game is the best thing since sliced bread or the creation of Playboy (or maybe Playgirl for some of you), this doesn't make them wrong, carebears, or any less "hardcore" than most fanbots seem to envision themselves to be.
I have played WoW/LOTRO/themepark games, and had fun (but I have played and enjoyed SB and the like). There, I said it. Tell me I am not hardcore. You know what else I have done? I have run into burning structures in real life, facing what just about equates to the fires of hell in the hopes of saving a life. And I get to do that every day I go to work. What about soldiers, cops, and the like who have enjoyed WoW and the like or disliked DFO, think they are carebears or aren't hardcore? I think these professions trump these fanbot ideas of hardcore.
But, I digress. You like the game, great. Have fun, embrace and enjoy it. Just stop discounting the experiences of others that are counter to your own. Also realize, your game is not without flaws. See the flaws, embrace the flaws, discuss them, talk about how they can be improved, and voice that to the developers. That's the only way to improve the game, and make things better (that is if the developers listen). Ignoring the flaws and pretending everything is grand in the world in your head will lead to nothing but the stagnation and death of your game. You would probably also get less flaming from the games critics (then again, it is an open forum).
It's kind of funny.
I just wrote my very first ever review of a game.
I found it very lacking and shallow. Overall a bad game not worth the money spent.
I played for two months, and in exactly the fashion the game would expect you to play. Kind of odd saying that when others insist on calling it a sandbox, but in the end I did play as the game is meant to be played sandbox or not.
Not much argument from the fans yet though.
No discrediting. No, you didn't play long enough, no you didn't do x, y, or z.
I'm wondering why.
There has been a great disturbance in the force...
The reviewer only played for 3 weeks,he needs to play for 7 years to fully grasp Darkfall,soo therfor the review is null,dont listen to a word he says! dont listen to any reviewers who havent played for more then 7 years ,unless it's a 8+/10 score,then u can listen,cause you can tell he played more then 7 years!!!
You fanboys crack me up. Any and I do mean any review that comes out as negative towards DF will be met with he was a carebear blah blah blah. Fact is DF is garbage. They can't even update their damn website to show what is currently available in the game which is practically nothing.
DF is nothing but a fps in a persistant empty world.
i play df, i have fun. who are you to tell me what i love or hate? you're nobody.
i play eve, i have fun. i like a lot of things about eve. some combat mechanics (esp. POS warfare) i think are total crap.
i play coh, i have fun. tons of stuff about that game bothers me.
no one argues with me that POS warfare is anything but a long, drawn-out borefest.
no one argues with me about items like stalker's placate is broken (did they EVER fix it? maybe this last patch?)
but, i can point out glaring problems in darkfall... problems so obvious, that to deny them, you have either never played darkfall, or you're simply lying... and people will argue with me about them.
not only that, but random twits will call me a hater. hater hater hater... sounding like some 8 year old on a school yard... and NORMALLY, that's the extent of it. nothing to back up ANYTHING said... just "oh you're wrong, you're a hater"... just like a small child would argue.
if someone is going to tell me that 1+1=steel girder; welp, i'm done. there's a certain point where you just can't help an individual.
be better than that.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Yeah because DF is soooo hardcore with its global banking and naked zerg fests and simplistic combat. Hmmmmm
Seriously Javac one day shouting go back to WoW will have no effect (if indeed it is now). In fact for most people here you should probably be saying 'go back to eve'. But alas we don't dare talk about eves intelligent complexity compared to DF silly childish nature.
But you know, I can understand why people like DF. They need PvP ... but lets not pretend the game is someone elevated above WoW. It is in many ways exactly catering to the kiddie PVP non intelligent mindset. Place it on a scale between Eve and WoW and its nearer WoW. (Sadly)
Living beathing world with consequences my ass. Thats why this game get 4 out of ten maxmimum in my book.
This is the 3rd time you've posted this in this thread.
Now you're just trolling.
PS.
This is exactly the sort of person you'll be playing with in DFO. Far more then you will people with a sence of decency and respect.
wonder what will happen when someone like TTH does a review of the game and finds it lacking.........
Heres a few handy hints:
re-read the simple carebear comment. he implied he must be a "simple carebear" (getting right into the childlike darkfall mentality there) for enjoying sophisticated and available games; in other words, games that dont feel like theyre coded by blind monkeys with a deep hatred of user interfaces and animations and which have available accounts at all times, not when another 50 people have left the game.
secondly, the old wow excuse has run its course im afraid. you cant blame all of darkfalls or your own failings on world of warcraft and the evil blizzard. didnt the same gaming site give eve 8-9 out of 10? eve is about as far removed from wow as you can get. as for the silver platter thing, well didnt darkfall hand all the early guilds lots of gold on a silver platter through exploits? hmm.
Denial is bliss !
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why do you people continue to give this piece of crap a breath of fresh air every week? Let this abomination of a "game" die its deserved death. No one cares about it, no one plays it, so why bother wasting perfectly good minutes of your lives talking about it. Ive taken dumps that are more exciting than this crapulent excrement of a game... just let it die.
what did eurogamer mean by 2/10?
Two - about as entertaining as 'flu
Avoid at all costs - this is less entertaining than setting fire to a ten-pound note. You'll have barely ever seen a 2/10 on EG - and for very good reason. A game this bad almost certainly won't reach our eyes, because publishers generally know better than to send games of this standard to us in the first place. In many cases these are your typical "straight to budget" titles that no sane publisher would try and release at full price, and they certainly wouldn't want us to rip them to shreds in public.
What you're facing here is a game with appalling generic visuals built around an awful design, cursed with cretinous AI, brain-frying audio and controls that feel like they've been designed to upset people or boost sales of replacement game pads. It could just be that the game is just so hideously old fashioned that someone has released the game by mistake. Who knows what goes through the minds of people who feel the need to try and sell crap? Pity them, and pity the fools that stock it and more so the morons that end up buying it without checking first.
let's color red the parts which DO describe darkfall, exactly as it was, when the reviewer was playing... shall we?
Two - about as entertaining as 'flu
Avoid at all costs - this is less entertaining than setting fire to a ten-pound note. You'll have barely ever seen a 2/10 on EG - and for very good reason. A game this bad almost certainly won't reach our eyes, because publishers generally know better than to send games of this standard to us in the first place. In many cases these are your typical "straight to budget" titles that no sane publisher would try and release at full price, and they certainly wouldn't want us to rip them to shreds in public.
What you're facing here is a game with appalling generic visuals built around an awful design, cursed with cretinous AI, brain-frying audio and controls that feel like they've been designed to upset people or boost sales of replacement game pads. It could just be that the game is just so hideously old fashioned that someone has released the game by mistake. Who knows what goes through the minds of people who feel the need to try and sell crap? Pity them, and pity the fools that stock it and more so the morons that end up buying it without checking first.
it could be a 3/10 (seen below); but honestly... the publisher that owns this game wouldn't put it on shelves? and the old fashioned statement... heck... i'm sorry, but it deserves the 2/10
hree - not for me, thanks
Now we're getting into hair-tearing territory, where a game is so flawed in so many ways that you're quite sure that even the developer and the publisher know full well what's wrong with the game. At this point the companies involved often go into damage limitation mode and may not even supply review code to publications in the first place. This is one of the reasons you don't see a lot of games scoring low marks on EG. One of the other main reasons is that there are more than enough good games being released to spend too much time worrying about covering the dross.
A three will be an often quite punishing gaming experience. It will be the kind of game that in all likelihood you can tell is bad just by looking at it. Screenshots may well suggest otherwise, but see it running and you're immediately likely to tell why it's bad without having to get your hands dirty. The controls will almost certainly be shoddy, the playability will be all over the place, crash bugs will probably be evident, graphical glitches, camera problems, nightmarish and arbitrary difficulty hikes that inspire new swear words and quite probably some cringeworthy attempts at cool or the kind of storytelling that ought to be outlawed by an EU directive. You'll definitely want your money back, and you'll tell your gaming friends to stay the hell away, or you'll show them it just to punish or amuse them,
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
You have REPEATEDLY posted this exact same thing in this thread. You REPEATEDLY keep taking a single line completely out of context.
It's getting old, childish, and down right not fitting of a man that claims to be 36 with a PHD.
My 12 year old knows better then to behaive like this.
You are simply trolling.
Darkfall receives a 40% grade!
Pretty much what most of the beta testers said once the NDA dropped. "Darkfall is a complete failure."
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So you played DarkFall then ? having it called vapoware in another thread leads to impression you didn't play.
Either you have not played it and you dont know shit about or you played it but then you should stop calling it vapor.
make up your mind.
On paid Beta "release" I was arrest and sent to an Iranian prison, on my first day I was ganked by a group of half naked guys with bad breath then over the course of a month repeatedly raped by a tall Greek guy naked. There was nothing to do but fight all day, the only woman I spoke to was my mother over skype telling me to get out of there find a woman and get a job.
I was locked up with about 10k fellow inmates, quarters were spartan and I spent most of my time in my cell sitting on a cold hard bench staring at a bucket of excrement.
You sir win the internet!
You eiter have someone review DF who is a fan or isn't a fan. I'd rather have someone who is biased against DF review the game. Someone who is a fan would be biased toward the game.
Thats the arguement alot are using. DF gets bad reviews because the reviewers are biased against it but the flip side of that is having someone biased toward the game review it. I'm not gonna place much faith in a slobbering review made a biased fan of DF or the genre it represents.
Sure you can have someone biased for the game give a fair review just as someone who is biased against the game can give a fair review. It works both ways.
If someone biased against DF gives a great review and a decent score, maybe a high score....thats says alot more than a high score from someone biased for the game.
Sorry I actually like and play the game.
Anyone rating it higher then 5 is not honest.
I likely quit playing WoW before you did. Here is where you lie and claim you never played, never liked it, it or quit in beta...instead of simply saying it got old.
"carebear"?..is that running around with your 3 friends all decked out in gear, skills you macro'd against a wall for the past month(they changed that), killing naked new players at a Goblin camps 50 steps outside a newbie town?..ah no thats the "hardcore pvper" pffffff
Darkfall is ok..if you get in then try it you might like it despite its major flaws. If you don't get in before the upcoming MMO's like Mortal, Aion, etc are released..you didn't miss anything.
If you think this is a 7/10 then EVERY MMO besides this one you better give a 9/10...WoW a 10/10.
You are so right in this post and you are pressing exactly on the right point. We darkfall players, are not trying to say the game is 8 or 9/10. It never was and it never will be, but the game has a certain quality that I have been looking for, for a long time. It's fun its manic, and crazy PvPwise. If you want to play Darkfall, play it for the right reasons.
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Pardon me?
If the EG review was a lie, then why did this review point out the exact same things?
That was already addressed,because the reviewer used other ACTUAL reviewers to fake his own review.It is VERY easy to do,and i bet has been done before this Zitron guy.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
So you played DarkFall then ? having it called vapoware in another thread leads to impression you didn't play.
Either you have not played it and you dont know shit about or you played it but then you should stop calling it vapor.
make up your mind.
Having played it, its crap, Half The time I was macroing everything, harvesting, weapons skills, spells etc. When I wasn't playing I swam. I didn't just macro I was there for most of the Huge sieges(laggy as hell), random ganks, some end game PVE for full plate etc. It was fun for the thrill and rush of risk vs reward, but it is a crap game that did fail to deliver. The game is getting into a better shape but it still sucks. Why play it if its so bad? its the only one of its kind. Hopefully MO will actually deliver. DF worst PR EVER!