"New software that has been announced or marketed but has not been produced."
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the free dictionary : "vaporware New software that has been announced or marketed but has not been produced."
Keep going... I'm sure you'll find many more. You're still only providing *one* of *several* applicable definitions of the term.
See people? this is why it's bad to drop babies repeatedly on their head. It can result in dense and ignorant behavior later in life, such as Darth is demonstrating here.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released.[1] The term is usually applied to products which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
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This category refers particularly to products that may not be inherently flawed or defective, but rather fail to fulfill the high expectations of the consumers who have been subjected to aggressive marketing campaigns and constant hype from either the company itself or the media who reported about it in the period leading to release. Delays on such products have been known to inflate to months and even years, creating often unrealistic expectations of the final version once it eventually reaches store shelves.
The biggest example of this is the computer game Daikatana, which was announced in 1997 but did not ship until 2000. Many who had waited felt the gameplay was disappointing. Ultima IX was released to savage reviews in 1999, due to numerous bugs, unbalanced gameplay and high system requirements.
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"Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
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"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
By trying to do everything within a single product, the end result may be one that fails to do anything properly at all. By forgetting the initial purpose of a new software and trying to add more and more features, each individual feature gets less production resources invested.
An added risk to this approach is increased software instability, as rapidly growing software can generate increased amounts of unforeseen bugs, glitches, security holes and other problems that can sometimes go unnoticed for weeks and months. These bugs may indeed never get fixed at all, the patches required to address the issues themselves becoming new vaporware items.
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www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
We know what the term means, Darth.
You have provided variations on one definition of the term. Again, that's *one* definition. It's not the *only* one.
You are being willfully ignorant, plain and simple.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
Redemptive software
On occasion, some software titles that were initially classified as "vaporware" redeem themselves after long waiting periods. Games that had an unusually long development period filled with delays and restarts include Half-Life[15], Half-Life 2, Max Payne, Prey[16] and Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl, which received chiefly positive reviews.
Another prime example of a redemptive vaporware could be Team Fortress 2 (announced in 1998) which, after a redesign from a more realistic character and level design to a more cartoonish character design reminiscent of Pixar movies, received glowing hands-on previews[17][18][19], and it was finally released on October 10, 2007, as part of the Orange Box compilation.
hmmm... when they finally came out... they received chiefly positive reviews -- 2/2 horrid reviews for darkfall, a couple of months post-release?
as i stated before, many words and terms have multiple meanings. i have shown a variety of definitions, and i am not looking for ONLY ones that fit my agenda. ignorance of definitions other than ones which support your agenda - is not something to praise, and is not what a reasonable person would do.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
A sarcastic term used to designate software and hardware products that have been announced and advertised but are not yet available. "
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
as i stated before, many words and terms have multiple meanings. i have shown a variety of definitions, and i am not looking for ONLY ones that fit my agenda. ignorance of definitions other than ones which support your agenda - is not something to praise, and is not what a reasonable person would do.
Who ever accused Darth of being reasonable?
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
We know what the term means, Darth.
You have provided variations on one definition of the term. Again, that's *one* definition. It's not the *only* one.
You are being willfully ignorant, plain and simple.
Then why many people NOT USE it how its supposed to be used and how merriam-webstar has defined the meaning ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
My personal favorite : www.webopedia.com/TERM/V/vaporware.html "vaporware A sarcastic term used to designate software and hardware products that have been announced and advertised but are not yet available. "
A term used to describe a piece of software that doesn't exist, is suspected not to exist, or is incapable of performing as promised. It is not uncommon for a software corporation to make fantastic promises as to the functionality of an upcoming software release that ultimately prove to be undeliverable. In the software industry, there is often something of a yin/yang relationship between marketing efforts and technical capabilities. They can't exist without each other, but that doesn't stop them from trying from time to time.
incapable of performing as promised. i was promised prestige classes, npc henchmen, pets and several dozen other features.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
Yes you can buy it pay attention to the new section o an announcement. The game was obtainable for 3 days this week . We had clan mates who bought it . The key term is "anywhere" ..but there is a place where you can buy it from.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE-------------------------------------------------- $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
We know what the term means, Darth.
You have provided variations on one definition of the term. Again, that's *one* definition. It's not the *only* one.
You are being willfully ignorant, plain and simple.
Then why many people NOT USE it how its supposed to be used and how merriam-webstar has defined the meaning ?
probably because merriam-webster, oxford, and established dictionaries are notoriously behind the times in definitions of internet/hacker/computer lingo.
probably because the term itself, is defined by the people using said term, and it is quite morphable and subject to change.
and blocking me won't make you any more right. it actually proves the validity of my statements.
to behave childish and scream that i'm right and everyone else is wrong, and that a term can only have one meaning and no other meaning CAN be applicable - these are not the actions of a reasonable person.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
Yes you can buy it pay attention to the new section o an announcement. The game was obtainable for 3 days this week . We had clan mates who bought it . The key term is "anywhere" ..but there is a place where you can buy it from.
You can only buy the game on certain days at a certain time. This does not equal available everywhere.
I understand you want to defend the game you enjoy. How ever no matter how you spin it. the term still fits.
Until I can purchase the game at a time that is appropriate for me, meaning I don't have to take a day out of work to have a CHANCE to buy the game for 10 minutes, on certain days. Then the game is not released.
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
Yes you can buy it pay attention to the new section o an announcement. The game was obtainable for 3 days this week . We had clan mates who bought it . The key term is "anywhere" ..but there is a place where you can buy it from.
would a reasonable person find that acceptable?
no.
it is in a limited release, pay to play beta state, at this current time.
the general public can NOT purchase this game. name one store i can go to, right this moment, to purchase it. link me to the url from which i can, at this moment, purchase the game.
every argument you make is based upon false preconceptions and fallacy-laden assumptions.
you can argue with false information until the cows come home, and it will not make this game available to be purchased RIGHT NOW.
limiting your definitions into a tiny scope, and then declaring all other definitions to be false and heresy is... well, it's not the actions of a reasonable person.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I agree, this is one of the most biased reviews I've ever seen - the game deserves a '2', and no more.
hahahaha. Uh oh guys we better watch out. Tasos is going to be combing the logs to make sure Gamereactor actually played the game!!! They gave it a bad review OMFGROFLWTF!!!!!!.
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www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php Netlingo : "Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
as i stated before, many words and terms have multiple meanings. i have shown a variety of definitions, and i am not looking for ONLY ones that fit my agenda. ignorance of definitions other than ones which support your agenda - is not something to praise, and is not what a reasonable person would do.
Who ever accused Darth of being reasonable?
in order to give validity to, or invalidate someone's statements, we must establish a baseline for our judgements. What a reasonable person would/would not do, is our baseline.
If it makes no sense in this light - we may simply invalidate the statements/arguments and there is no discussion needed from that point -- we don't sit there and argue with someone that insists that 1+1=steel girder, do we?
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I called DF vaproware for a long time. I no longer do. It does exist, the only question remaining is has it really been released or is this a big paid beta?
I couldn't tell from the review how long the reviewer played, or what he really did. Truthfully, most of his complaints could have been written be myself just by reading what's on this forum.
It would be helpful to know what the reviewers pedigree in gameing was and to know what sort of games they prefer to play.
It is fair to say a fan of WOW will probably not like this game.
That's not to say people who like WOW shouldn't be allowed to review DF, but it certainly should be a qualifier in advance so we understand the reviewers potential bias towards a product.
I say this as a player of EVE, another game that is misunderstood and dislked by many people who favor a totally different game style. Their reviews are no more valid unless they come with the qualifier of what type of games they prefer.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Regardless of how long he played the game, or what games he likes, his review still stands. Now if you want to challenge the validity of such a review that is your choice. Personally, I don't have the time for that, nor do i base my purchase decisions solely on reviews, as we know that would be a dumb choice. If the game is that hard to get that should signal something to buyers anyway... BEWARE.
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I called DF vaproware for a long time. I no longer do. It does exist, the only question remaining is has it really been released or is this a big paid beta? I couldn't tell from the review how long the reviewer played, or what he really did. Truthfully, most of his complaints could have been written be myself just by reading what's on this forum. It would be helpful to know what the reviewers pedigree in gameing was and to know what sort of games they prefer to play. It is fair to say a fan of WOW will probably not like this game. That's not to say people who like WOW shouldn't be allowed to review DF, but it certainly should be a qualifier in advance so we understand the reviewers potential bias towards a product. I say this as a player of EVE, another game that is misunderstood and dislked by many people who favor a totally different game style. Their reviews are no more valid unless they come with the qualifier of what type of games they prefer.
I respectfully disagree with you. A reviewers personal likes and dislikes should not be takes as a qualifier to the validity of their review. For example, most movie critics will tell you they like (or dislike) a particular genre of movies but they can still give an informed review as to how well crafted a movie is regardless of their personal preferences. The same is true of "professional" game reviewers. For example, just because I hate westerns, doesn't mean that I can't appreciate that Unforgiven was a well made movie worthy of praise.
Or to use EVE as another example. I disliked the game so much I didn't even bother to play out my last 8 days of my subscription. But I could appreciate that the game was well made, polished and complex. My personal dislike for the setting and game play does not prevent me from seeing it is a well made game.
K, I'm through rambling...
A man is his own easiest dupe, for what he wishes to be true he generally believes to be true...
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www.thefreedictionary.com/vaporware
The free dictionary :
"New software that has been announced or marketed but has not been produced."
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
I agree, this is one of the most biased reviews I've ever seen - the game deserves a '2', and no more.
Keep going... I'm sure you'll find many more. You're still only providing *one* of *several* applicable definitions of the term.
See people? this is why it's bad to drop babies repeatedly on their head. It can result in dense and ignorant behavior later in life, such as Darth is demonstrating here.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
The 'game' itself obviously isn't vaporware, but any semblence of content, IS..
Vaporware is a term used to describe a product, usually software, that has been announced by a developer during or before its development and, therefore, may never actually be released.[1] The term is usually applied to products which fail to emerge after having well-exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
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Falls short of expectations
This category refers particularly to products that may not be inherently flawed or defective, but rather fail to fulfill the high expectations of the consumers who have been subjected to aggressive marketing campaigns and constant hype from either the company itself or the media who reported about it in the period leading to release. Delays on such products have been known to inflate to months and even years, creating often unrealistic expectations of the final version once it eventually reaches store shelves.
The biggest example of this is the computer game Daikatana, which was announced in 1997 but did not ship until 2000. Many who had waited felt the gameplay was disappointing. Ultima IX was released to savage reviews in 1999, due to numerous bugs, unbalanced gameplay and high system requirements.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
www.netlingo.com/word/vaporware.php
Netlingo :
"Software that never makes it off the drawing board, or that's been hyped up for months but isn't available anywhere."
Find another one to fool around about the meaning of the word vaporware, maybe yourselves lol
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Lack of focus
By trying to do everything within a single product, the end result may be one that fails to do anything properly at all. By forgetting the initial purpose of a new software and trying to add more and more features, each individual feature gets less production resources invested.
An added risk to this approach is increased software instability, as rapidly growing software can generate increased amounts of unforeseen bugs, glitches, security holes and other problems that can sometimes go unnoticed for weeks and months. These bugs may indeed never get fixed at all, the patches required to address the issues themselves becoming new vaporware items.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
We know what the term means, Darth.
You have provided variations on one definition of the term. Again, that's *one* definition. It's not the *only* one.
You are being willfully ignorant, plain and simple.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Redemptive software
On occasion, some software titles that were initially classified as "vaporware" redeem themselves after long waiting periods. Games that had an unusually long development period filled with delays and restarts include Half-Life[15], Half-Life 2, Max Payne, Prey[16] and Stalker: Shadow of Chernobyl, which received chiefly positive reviews.
Another prime example of a redemptive vaporware could be Team Fortress 2 (announced in 1998) which, after a redesign from a more realistic character and level design to a more cartoonish character design reminiscent of Pixar movies, received glowing hands-on previews[17][18][19], and it was finally released on October 10, 2007, as part of the Orange Box compilation.
hmmm... when they finally came out... they received chiefly positive reviews -- 2/2 horrid reviews for darkfall, a couple of months post-release?
as i stated before, many words and terms have multiple meanings. i have shown a variety of definitions, and i am not looking for ONLY ones that fit my agenda. ignorance of definitions other than ones which support your agenda - is not something to praise, and is not what a reasonable person would do.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
My personal favorite :
www.webopedia.com/TERM/V/vaporware.html
"vaporware
A sarcastic term used to designate software and hardware products that have been announced and advertised but are not yet available. "
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
as i stated before, many words and terms have multiple meanings. i have shown a variety of definitions, and i am not looking for ONLY ones that fit my agenda. ignorance of definitions other than ones which support your agenda - is not something to praise, and is not what a reasonable person would do.
Who ever accused Darth of being reasonable?
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
We know what the term means, Darth.
You have provided variations on one definition of the term. Again, that's *one* definition. It's not the *only* one.
You are being willfully ignorant, plain and simple.
Then why many people NOT USE it how its supposed to be used and how merriam-webstar has defined the meaning ?
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
A term used to describe a piece of software that doesn't exist, is suspected not to exist, or is incapable of performing as promised. It is not uncommon for a software corporation to make fantastic promises as to the functionality of an upcoming software release that ultimately prove to be undeliverable. In the software industry, there is often something of a yin/yang relationship between marketing efforts and technical capabilities. They can't exist without each other, but that doesn't stop them from trying from time to time.
incapable of performing as promised. i was promised prestige classes, npc henchmen, pets and several dozen other features.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
Yes you can buy it pay attention to the new section o an announcement. The game was obtainable for 3 days this week . We had clan mates who bought it . The key term is "anywhere" ..but there is a place where you can buy it from.
-----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
$OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
"There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)
We know what the term means, Darth.
You have provided variations on one definition of the term. Again, that's *one* definition. It's not the *only* one.
You are being willfully ignorant, plain and simple.
Then why many people NOT USE it how its supposed to be used and how merriam-webstar has defined the meaning ?
probably because merriam-webster, oxford, and established dictionaries are notoriously behind the times in definitions of internet/hacker/computer lingo.
probably because the term itself, is defined by the people using said term, and it is quite morphable and subject to change.
and blocking me won't make you any more right. it actually proves the validity of my statements.
to behave childish and scream that i'm right and everyone else is wrong, and that a term can only have one meaning and no other meaning CAN be applicable - these are not the actions of a reasonable person.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
Yes you can buy it pay attention to the new section o an announcement. The game was obtainable for 3 days this week . We had clan mates who bought it . The key term is "anywhere" ..but there is a place where you can buy it from.
You can only buy the game on certain days at a certain time. This does not equal available everywhere.
I understand you want to defend the game you enjoy. How ever no matter how you spin it. the term still fits.
Until I can purchase the game at a time that is appropriate for me, meaning I don't have to take a day out of work to have a CHANCE to buy the game for 10 minutes, on certain days. Then the game is not released.
Why do you keep shooting yourself in the foot?
Can we buy the game this very instance? Can I buy the game in the next hour? The answer of course is no.
So by the definitions you are pointing out, The game is Vaporware.
I would suggest you just give it up. I applaud you for sticking to the game and enjoying it. But until the game is actually released to the general public. the term Vaporware fits. Now who knows maybe in 6 months the term may not quantify. But for now it does.
Yes you can buy it pay attention to the new section o an announcement. The game was obtainable for 3 days this week . We had clan mates who bought it . The key term is "anywhere" ..but there is a place where you can buy it from.
would a reasonable person find that acceptable?
no.
it is in a limited release, pay to play beta state, at this current time.
the general public can NOT purchase this game. name one store i can go to, right this moment, to purchase it. link me to the url from which i can, at this moment, purchase the game.
every argument you make is based upon false preconceptions and fallacy-laden assumptions.
you can argue with false information until the cows come home, and it will not make this game available to be purchased RIGHT NOW.
limiting your definitions into a tiny scope, and then declaring all other definitions to be false and heresy is... well, it's not the actions of a reasonable person.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
hahahaha. Uh oh guys we better watch out. Tasos is going to be combing the logs to make sure Gamereactor actually played the game!!! They gave it a bad review OMFGROFLWTF!!!!!!.
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as i stated before, many words and terms have multiple meanings. i have shown a variety of definitions, and i am not looking for ONLY ones that fit my agenda. ignorance of definitions other than ones which support your agenda - is not something to praise, and is not what a reasonable person would do.
Who ever accused Darth of being reasonable?
in order to give validity to, or invalidate someone's statements, we must establish a baseline for our judgements. What a reasonable person would/would not do, is our baseline.
If it makes no sense in this light - we may simply invalidate the statements/arguments and there is no discussion needed from that point -- we don't sit there and argue with someone that insists that 1+1=steel girder, do we?
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
omg, darth is even better than tasos, the man himself.
keep it going, teach the infidels! (try more capslock tho, it works!)
jedi mind - heavenly divine, steadily shine in '99!
I called DF vaproware for a long time. I no longer do. It does exist, the only question remaining is has it really been released or is this a big paid beta?
I couldn't tell from the review how long the reviewer played, or what he really did. Truthfully, most of his complaints could have been written be myself just by reading what's on this forum.
It would be helpful to know what the reviewers pedigree in gameing was and to know what sort of games they prefer to play.
It is fair to say a fan of WOW will probably not like this game.
That's not to say people who like WOW shouldn't be allowed to review DF, but it certainly should be a qualifier in advance so we understand the reviewers potential bias towards a product.
I say this as a player of EVE, another game that is misunderstood and dislked by many people who favor a totally different game style. Their reviews are no more valid unless they come with the qualifier of what type of games they prefer.
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Regardless of how long he played the game, or what games he likes, his review still stands. Now if you want to challenge the validity of such a review that is your choice. Personally, I don't have the time for that, nor do i base my purchase decisions solely on reviews, as we know that would be a dumb choice. If the game is that hard to get that should signal something to buyers anyway... BEWARE.
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I respectfully disagree with you. A reviewers personal likes and dislikes should not be takes as a qualifier to the validity of their review. For example, most movie critics will tell you they like (or dislike) a particular genre of movies but they can still give an informed review as to how well crafted a movie is regardless of their personal preferences. The same is true of "professional" game reviewers. For example, just because I hate westerns, doesn't mean that I can't appreciate that Unforgiven was a well made movie worthy of praise.
Or to use EVE as another example. I disliked the game so much I didn't even bother to play out my last 8 days of my subscription. But I could appreciate that the game was well made, polished and complex. My personal dislike for the setting and game play does not prevent me from seeing it is a well made game.
K, I'm through rambling...
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