I see alot of anti wow ranting but I have yet read a compeling reason for leaving wow to go play aion. Just beceause it isn't wow is not a real reason.
People don't generally go to try something else when they play a game they already enjoy. If however they are borderline about quitting, then it's more probable that they will take the extra step and purchase a new game. Whether that new game will hold their interest is another story.
Competition is always good for the consumers. Monopoly or near monopoly is never. ... But I am an optimist and think the genre will evolve a lot in the next few years. That is however impossible as long as Wow is the only big western MMO.
I don't think that wow is holding back the evolution of MMO. Instead the success of wow forces many company to trying to beat wow, or at least take a part from the huge cake. Still, wow has evolved much more than any other MMO, even the very new one. I even cannot finish the current content, and the new is on my neck. I mean new. Blizz always suprises me with it's creativity.
You might say heh another wow troll. Well it's up to you. I have played Lineage2, Guild Wars, LotRO, Requiem, Silkroad, Priston Tale.. and I don't know how many others. Wow is the only game which really evolved, not only with new places but with new ideas like changing scene, argent tournament, the lot of places with different style of pvp, the hundreds of bosses with different tactics. The whole game is huge, how we in wow say: EPIC.
As I play more and more, and getting deeper into the content I feel that wow cannot be beaten. It's too late! It's content is so big, that cannot be made again. Even if another MMO is coming out, it will not be able to catch up the tempo with Blizz content creation.
Also the misunderstandig of why wow is cuccesful is huge. Most posters are hardcore kid players, you hear almost only their voice. But most wow players are adult casuals, workers, who sometimes just like to sit down for an hour and catch some fish, or run a battleground. WoW is more and more built for casual players and this is the real source of success. Aion might be better than wow technically. Can have better graphics, better pvp, better anything, but it cannot beat content, and cannot take over casuals.
Some says the penalty for dying is not much. Well, casuals don't like it = fail. You say the real PVP is open PVP. Well, casuals don't like to be forced into something they don't wanna do = fail.
I hope you see the "problems" with Aion. It's not a "New WoW". It's a new Lineage, for the western players.
Does anyone here even know enough about aion to make a comparisson between wow and aion?
ive played both and their totally different games. its like trying to compare a sports car with a cake.. 2 completely different items. Personally for me i couldnt stand wow. but i really liked aion. others probably will really like wow more than aion. its everyones own opinion why do we have to make comparisons so that you can feel like you should play it? its just a game, if you want to play it play it. if not then dont its alllllllllllll up to you
Why do I need to drop WoW to play Aion. I can afford one more sub anytime.
Now would I play Aion? I am not interested in playing the Chinese version, even though I read and speak Chinese. I have reservations about security in servers in China.
Until I got to see Aion NA launch, I have no idea how that game will be then, the community, the ... That is my only consideration for sub or skip.
From what I see while travelling in China, well
(1) Aion is popular
(2) A lot of people enjoyng it, and the spectrum of player varied.
(3) looks quest driven, not grindy
(4) I did not hear any news about major hacks or cheats, and given the incentive of the Chinese to go thru the backdoor, it might suggest a good game design that does discourge or resist hacking/cheating.
(5) I did not hear about rampant bots, which is what killed L2. Gold sellers are everywhere in evrery game, you cannot kill them off.
But these are just indirect observations. I never got around to download the free beta. I never got around to think about playing it in China, so I have nothing solid to base on for decisions concerning sub.
aion is so far a chinese game right, the main similarity to wow then would be that both games have a ton of chinese players trying to sell in game money to americans for real money then hehe. god i hate people that buy and sell in game money, they spam and hack and bot camp to the point of ruining otherwise good games with their bad behavior.
I see alot of anti wow ranting but I have yet read a compeling reason for leaving wow to go play aion. Just beceause it isn't wow is not a real reason.
if playerr ever gets pvp questing game ,i can already say wow would loose player fast the problem with say doing =quality to wow but in a pvp quest style is very hard
imagine your a priest you got do x thing in pvp quest
it would be harder i think to make a pvp quest style game
I have played Korean version of AION, I have played Chinese version of AION. It's a very polish game, but frankly, I don't see it going head to head with WoW in the western market. AION will directly compete with WAR but not WoW.
AION current contents layout is very similar to WAR. Major focus on faction PvP with fortress siege as its core. You siege and hold fortresses to open up portal to the next level of Abyss where you can siege more. The way you siege a fortress is also very similar to WAR, kill the fortress lord and it's yours.
PvE elements in AION end-game is very light. Much like WAR or Lineage 2. You do have some instances you can go and kill bosses to get lewts but these instances are light years behind WoW instances both in term of design, script, and difficulty. They are very primitive.
If you do a quick scan at WoW realm list, you will see there are more PvE servers than PvP. Even on PvP servers, most people only consider PvP as side events and not their primary focus. If there is a migration to AION, I would say only PvP guild will. PvE guild may be distracted abit by the new game release and all the flashy graphical flare for a little bit but they will be right back.
AION, at its current state, has nothing, absolutely nothing to offer to the WoW crowd in term of end-game PvE and raid contents. A few years down the road? It may has better PvE contents but right now, WoW has nothing to worry about.
Sorry to say but there are not that many PVP'ers in Western markets. PVP'ers always make it seem like there are more of them running around than there really are. PVP is important but it is optionally important when you start talking millions of players. You look at the great PVP games of the past and in comparison to non-PVP focused games, they all had limited subscription bases. Add to that, we are talking about required PVP and the numbers drop even less.
This.
Not just required PvP, heheh, you are looking at required group PvP. Well, somewhat. There is nothing "required". You can always grind your way to the top in the solo PvP area, but if you want to get good stuffs, good contents, you are required to do group PvP. So now you are not just forced to group, you are forced to group PvP. Heheh
i m suprised people say aion is poorly scripted when it comes to quests i mean warcraft is hardly advanced really is it . i mean the quests in wow can be fun but if you read the descriptions they are total noncense . it ll be a shame if aion does nt deliver the goods because warcraft needs competition so badly . blizzard need strong competition so they fix the mess warcraft has become over the last two years . i think wow started to go downhill when they brought in faster leveling and since the wrath of the lich king came out the pvp side of the game is broken .
from what i ve been reading about aion after the beta weekend . when you get past people forgetting that warcraft itself is little more than an asian grinder in its first 20 levels ( ie most of the quest are go out and find this or kill x amount of mobs ) and that in a 48 hour time period your unlikly to see anything of any real interest at such early levels . most people say aion performs very well and is graphically quite stunning .
i m more interested in what people who have played the asian version of aion have to say . most of what i hear from that crowd of people seams to be possative and that bodes quite well .
then again what we in the west like may be totally different .
i m suprised people say aion is poorly scripted when it comes to quests i mean warcraft is hardly advanced really is it . i mean the quests in wow can be fun but if you read the descriptions they are total noncense . it ll be a shame if aion does nt deliver the goods because warcraft needs competition so badly . blizzard need strong competition so they fix the mess warcraft has become over the last two years . i think wow started to go downhill when they brought in faster leveling and since the wrath of the lich king came out the pvp side of the game is broken .
from what i ve been reading about aion after the beta weekend . when you get past people forgetting that warcraft itself is little more than an asian grinder in its first 20 levels ( ie most of the quest are go out and find this or kill x amount of mobs ) and that in a 48 hour time period your unlikly to see anything of any real interest at such early levels . most people say aion performs very well and is graphically quite stunning . i m more interested in what people who have played the asian version of aion have to say . most of what i hear from that crowd of people seams to be possative and that bodes quite well . then again what we in the west like may be totally different .
I am from the west and I have played every major MMO since UO aside from the korean ones.
Aion wasnt even on my radar and a guildie talked me into playing it with him on china servers, at first I was like "this is nice and polished but nothing new here" after about lvl 15 I have been like a crack addict.
I cancel my EQ2 sub thats been active for 4 years even tho I have played others for a few months here and there and dont plan to look any where else for an MMO for some time to come. (after NA release that is)
I just dont see the grind people are talking about (lvl25 currently) (250 armorsmith) If i have alot of quests to turn in but I am a like a bub or 2 from leveling I will stay in that area to level before heading to turn in quests...maybe thats why IDK and I play on the 1.0 version which is basically the beta client because china hasnt got the past 2 big patches that upped quest exp and added alot of quests.
This game just has so much of what I want in a game that I cant stop playing....most new games past few years get boring in 1-2 weeks and I go back too EQ2 or WoW..this one gets better daily...only here because my server is under maintainence
Aion has raid bosses for pve...did Wow at release? Yes Aion has meaningful PVP (ranking/seiging) did WoW at release? I'll give you this one they didn't Aion is as polished as a marble was WoW at release? (loot bug anyone?) Umm well lets see that was a very minor bug. Aion is definately more drawn toward pvp crowd but raid mobs are in game now and more to be added as well as instanced dungeons. Does WoW have Raid mobs that can be fought over by Alliance and Horde at same time? Yes Are there world spawn raid bosses in WoW? Yes Maybe some people dont want these things but I do. I have been playing on china servers for 3 weeks and plan to move to NA at release.
Aion has raid bosses for pve...did Wow at release? Yes Aion has meaningful PVP (ranking/seiging) did WoW at release? I'll give you this one they didn't Aion is as polished as a marble was WoW at release? (loot bug anyone?) Umm well lets see that was a very minor bug. Aion is definately more drawn toward pvp crowd but raid mobs are in game now and more to be added as well as instanced dungeons. Does WoW have Raid mobs that can be fought over by Alliance and Horde at same time? Yes Are there world spawn raid bosses in WoW? Yes Maybe some people dont want these things but I do. I have been playing on china servers for 3 weeks and plan to move to NA at release.
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
Aion has raid bosses for pve...did Wow at release? Yes Aion has meaningful PVP (ranking/seiging) did WoW at release? I'll give you this one they didn't Aion is as polished as a marble was WoW at release? (loot bug anyone?) Umm well lets see that was a very minor bug. Aion is definately more drawn toward pvp crowd but raid mobs are in game now and more to be added as well as instanced dungeons. Does WoW have Raid mobs that can be fought over by Alliance and Horde at same time? Yes Are there world spawn raid bosses in WoW? Yes Maybe some people dont want these things but I do. I have been playing on china servers for 3 weeks and plan to move to NA at release.
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
Aion has raid bosses for pve...did Wow at release? Yes Aion has meaningful PVP (ranking/seiging) did WoW at release? I'll give you this one they didn't Aion is as polished as a marble was WoW at release? (loot bug anyone?) Umm well lets see that was a very minor bug. Aion is definately more drawn toward pvp crowd but raid mobs are in game now and more to be added as well as instanced dungeons. Does WoW have Raid mobs that can be fought over by Alliance and Horde at same time? Yes Are there world spawn raid bosses in WoW? Yes Maybe some people dont want these things but I do. I have been playing on china servers for 3 weeks and plan to move to NA at release.
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
sue me for not caring
just trying to keep the facts straight
I wasnt aware WoW had world spawn raid bosses..this must be since i left
Aion has raid bosses for pve...did Wow at release? Yes Aion has meaningful PVP (ranking/seiging) did WoW at release? I'll give you this one they didn't Aion is as polished as a marble was WoW at release? (loot bug anyone?) Umm well lets see that was a very minor bug. Aion is definately more drawn toward pvp crowd but raid mobs are in game now and more to be added as well as instanced dungeons. Does WoW have Raid mobs that can be fought over by Alliance and Horde at same time? Yes Are there world spawn raid bosses in WoW? Yes Maybe some people dont want these things but I do. I have been playing on china servers for 3 weeks and plan to move to NA at release.
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
sue me for not caring
just trying to keep the facts straight
I wasnt aware WoW had world spawn raid bosses..this must be since i left
heh no worries forgot MC came out very shortly after launch but yea there are a ton of world bosses just no one usually does them except for fun and some gold
Aion has raid bosses for pve...did Wow at release? Yes Aion has meaningful PVP (ranking/seiging) did WoW at release? I'll give you this one they didn't Aion is as polished as a marble was WoW at release? (loot bug anyone?) Umm well lets see that was a very minor bug. Aion is definately more drawn toward pvp crowd but raid mobs are in game now and more to be added as well as instanced dungeons. Does WoW have Raid mobs that can be fought over by Alliance and Horde at same time? Yes Are there world spawn raid bosses in WoW? Yes Maybe some people dont want these things but I do. I have been playing on china servers for 3 weeks and plan to move to NA at release.
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
sue me for not caring
just trying to keep the facts straight
I wasnt aware WoW had world spawn raid bosses..this must be since i left
heh no worries forgot MC came out very shortly after launch but yea there are a ton of world bosses just no one usually does them except for fun and some gold
Plus it seems like Blizzard gave up on World Bosses. There were quite a few in Vanilla WoW, 2 in BC, and now none in WotLK. I'm not sure why.. they were pretty fun, imo.
Fom what i ve been reading in the aion forums it does sound like aion is quite similar to warcraft in a lot of ways .Its not the grindfest a lot of wow fanbois will have you think . The noob areas are a grindfest maybe but not the rest of the game . Its very polished and plays well . essentially all the things you can hope for in a new title are there . The potential for it being the first mmo since warcraft was released to provide a real alternative is there . We shall all find out this autumn how much damage it will do to blizzards subs .
4 years in and wow is really starting to show its age graphically and poor choices in gameplay "improvements" along with massivly unbalanced pvp between the classes are all taking thier toll . People in game are fed up with blizzards lack of interest in sorting out the gameplay problems at least . Theres millions of current players wanting an alternative to warcraft or like me have given up on it because of how poor the game has become and theres nothing to say if there is a mass migration to aion that new players will come along to replace them.
like warcraft aion will benefit from word of mouth amongst younger players if its any good .
its at the point when in the schools and collages that warcraft loses its status as being THE GAME OF THE MOMENT that we ll see huge numbers leaving . Maybe that is about to happen in the coming months . It ll be interesting to see what happens to wow in this its first real challenge since its release .
Maybe not the wowkiller but definatly the first nail warcrafts coffin .
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I see alot of anti wow ranting but I have yet read a compeling reason for leaving wow to go play aion. Just beceause it isn't wow is not a real reason.
Burnout or boredom I suppose.
People don't generally go to try something else when they play a game they already enjoy. If however they are borderline about quitting, then it's more probable that they will take the extra step and purchase a new game. Whether that new game will hold their interest is another story.
It's liek comparing chalk and cheese.
Aion is a very asian game comapred with the western WoW counterpart.
Does anyone here even know enough about aion to make a comparisson between wow and aion?
Closest game to aion would be lineage 2.
So it probaly be a lineage killer over a wow killer but each to their own tbh. I Personally hate asian style mmos, while some of my m8s love them
I don't think that wow is holding back the evolution of MMO. Instead the success of wow forces many company to trying to beat wow, or at least take a part from the huge cake. Still, wow has evolved much more than any other MMO, even the very new one. I even cannot finish the current content, and the new is on my neck. I mean new. Blizz always suprises me with it's creativity.
You might say heh another wow troll. Well it's up to you. I have played Lineage2, Guild Wars, LotRO, Requiem, Silkroad, Priston Tale.. and I don't know how many others. Wow is the only game which really evolved, not only with new places but with new ideas like changing scene, argent tournament, the lot of places with different style of pvp, the hundreds of bosses with different tactics. The whole game is huge, how we in wow say: EPIC.
As I play more and more, and getting deeper into the content I feel that wow cannot be beaten. It's too late! It's content is so big, that cannot be made again. Even if another MMO is coming out, it will not be able to catch up the tempo with Blizz content creation.
Also the misunderstandig of why wow is cuccesful is huge. Most posters are hardcore kid players, you hear almost only their voice. But most wow players are adult casuals, workers, who sometimes just like to sit down for an hour and catch some fish, or run a battleground. WoW is more and more built for casual players and this is the real source of success. Aion might be better than wow technically. Can have better graphics, better pvp, better anything, but it cannot beat content, and cannot take over casuals.
Some says the penalty for dying is not much. Well, casuals don't like it = fail. You say the real PVP is open PVP. Well, casuals don't like to be forced into something they don't wanna do = fail.
I hope you see the "problems" with Aion. It's not a "New WoW". It's a new Lineage, for the western players.
war. war never changes.
ive played both and their totally different games. its like trying to compare a sports car with a cake.. 2 completely different items. Personally for me i couldnt stand wow. but i really liked aion. others probably will really like wow more than aion. its everyones own opinion why do we have to make comparisons so that you can feel like you should play it? its just a game, if you want to play it play it. if not then dont its alllllllllllll up to you
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Why do I need to drop WoW to play Aion. I can afford one more sub anytime.
Now would I play Aion? I am not interested in playing the Chinese version, even though I read and speak Chinese. I have reservations about security in servers in China.
Until I got to see Aion NA launch, I have no idea how that game will be then, the community, the ... That is my only consideration for sub or skip.
From what I see while travelling in China, well
(1) Aion is popular
(2) A lot of people enjoyng it, and the spectrum of player varied.
(3) looks quest driven, not grindy
(4) I did not hear any news about major hacks or cheats, and given the incentive of the Chinese to go thru the backdoor, it might suggest a good game design that does discourge or resist hacking/cheating.
(5) I did not hear about rampant bots, which is what killed L2. Gold sellers are everywhere in evrery game, you cannot kill them off.
But these are just indirect observations. I never got around to download the free beta. I never got around to think about playing it in China, so I have nothing solid to base on for decisions concerning sub.
aion is so far a chinese game right, the main similarity to wow then would be that both games have a ton of chinese players trying to sell in game money to americans for real money then hehe. god i hate people that buy and sell in game money, they spam and hack and bot camp to the point of ruining otherwise good games with their bad behavior.
if playerr ever gets pvp questing game ,i can already say wow would loose player fast the problem with say doing =quality to wow but in a pvp quest style is very hard
imagine your a priest you got do x thing in pvp quest
it would be harder i think to make a pvp quest style game
I have played Korean version of AION, I have played Chinese version of AION. It's a very polish game, but frankly, I don't see it going head to head with WoW in the western market. AION will directly compete with WAR but not WoW.
AION current contents layout is very similar to WAR. Major focus on faction PvP with fortress siege as its core. You siege and hold fortresses to open up portal to the next level of Abyss where you can siege more. The way you siege a fortress is also very similar to WAR, kill the fortress lord and it's yours.
PvE elements in AION end-game is very light. Much like WAR or Lineage 2. You do have some instances you can go and kill bosses to get lewts but these instances are light years behind WoW instances both in term of design, script, and difficulty. They are very primitive.
If you do a quick scan at WoW realm list, you will see there are more PvE servers than PvP. Even on PvP servers, most people only consider PvP as side events and not their primary focus. If there is a migration to AION, I would say only PvP guild will. PvE guild may be distracted abit by the new game release and all the flashy graphical flare for a little bit but they will be right back.
AION, at its current state, has nothing, absolutely nothing to offer to the WoW crowd in term of end-game PvE and raid contents. A few years down the road? It may has better PvE contents but right now, WoW has nothing to worry about.
This.
Not just required PvP, heheh, you are looking at required group PvP. Well, somewhat. There is nothing "required". You can always grind your way to the top in the solo PvP area, but if you want to get good stuffs, good contents, you are required to do group PvP. So now you are not just forced to group, you are forced to group PvP. Heheh
i m suprised people say aion is poorly scripted when it comes to quests i mean warcraft is hardly advanced really is it . i mean the quests in wow can be fun but if you read the descriptions they are total noncense . it ll be a shame if aion does nt deliver the goods because warcraft needs competition so badly . blizzard need strong competition so they fix the mess warcraft has become over the last two years . i think wow started to go downhill when they brought in faster leveling and since the wrath of the lich king came out the pvp side of the game is broken .
from what i ve been reading about aion after the beta weekend . when you get past people forgetting that warcraft itself is little more than an asian grinder in its first 20 levels ( ie most of the quest are go out and find this or kill x amount of mobs ) and that in a 48 hour time period your unlikly to see anything of any real interest at such early levels . most people say aion performs very well and is graphically quite stunning .
i m more interested in what people who have played the asian version of aion have to say . most of what i hear from that crowd of people seams to be possative and that bodes quite well .
then again what we in the west like may be totally different .
Aion has raid bosses for pve...did Wow at release?
Aion has meaningful PVP (ranking/seiging) did WoW at release?
Aion is as polished as a marble was WoW at release? (loot bug anyone?)
Aion is definately more drawn toward pvp crowd but raid mobs are in game now and more to be added as well as instanced dungeons.
Does WoW have Raid mobs that can be fought over by Alliance and Horde at same time?
Are there world spawn raid bosses in WoW?
Maybe some people dont want these things but I do. I have been playing on china servers for 3 weeks and plan to move to NA at release.
I am from the west and I have played every major MMO since UO aside from the korean ones.
Aion wasnt even on my radar and a guildie talked me into playing it with him on china servers, at first I was like "this is nice and polished but nothing new here" after about lvl 15 I have been like a crack addict.
I cancel my EQ2 sub thats been active for 4 years even tho I have played others for a few months here and there and dont plan to look any where else for an MMO for some time to come. (after NA release that is)
I just dont see the grind people are talking about (lvl25 currently) (250 armorsmith) If i have alot of quests to turn in but I am a like a bub or 2 from leveling I will stay in that area to level before heading to turn in quests...maybe thats why IDK and I play on the 1.0 version which is basically the beta client because china hasnt got the past 2 big patches that upped quest exp and added alot of quests.
This game just has so much of what I want in a game that I cant stop playing....most new games past few years get boring in 1-2 weeks and I go back too EQ2 or WoW..this one gets better daily...only here because my server is under maintainence
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
sue me for not caring
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
sue me for not caring
just trying to keep the facts straight
I wasnt aware WoW had world spawn raid bosses..this must be since i left
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
sue me for not caring
just trying to keep the facts straight
I wasnt aware WoW had world spawn raid bosses..this must be since i left
heh no worries forgot MC came out very shortly after launch but yea there are a ton of world bosses just no one usually does them except for fun and some gold
there was no raid zone at release ...it got patched in like 3 weeks later
sue me for not caring
just trying to keep the facts straight
I wasnt aware WoW had world spawn raid bosses..this must be since i left
heh no worries forgot MC came out very shortly after launch but yea there are a ton of world bosses just no one usually does them except for fun and some gold
Plus it seems like Blizzard gave up on World Bosses. There were quite a few in Vanilla WoW, 2 in BC, and now none in WotLK. I'm not sure why.. they were pretty fun, imo.
Fom what i ve been reading in the aion forums it does sound like aion is quite similar to warcraft in a lot of ways .Its not the grindfest a lot of wow fanbois will have you think . The noob areas are a grindfest maybe but not the rest of the game . Its very polished and plays well . essentially all the things you can hope for in a new title are there . The potential for it being the first mmo since warcraft was released to provide a real alternative is there . We shall all find out this autumn how much damage it will do to blizzards subs .
4 years in and wow is really starting to show its age graphically and poor choices in gameplay "improvements" along with massivly unbalanced pvp between the classes are all taking thier toll . People in game are fed up with blizzards lack of interest in sorting out the gameplay problems at least . Theres millions of current players wanting an alternative to warcraft or like me have given up on it because of how poor the game has become and theres nothing to say if there is a mass migration to aion that new players will come along to replace them.
like warcraft aion will benefit from word of mouth amongst younger players if its any good .
its at the point when in the schools and collages that warcraft loses its status as being THE GAME OF THE MOMENT that we ll see huge numbers leaving . Maybe that is about to happen in the coming months . It ll be interesting to see what happens to wow in this its first real challenge since its release .
Maybe not the wowkiller but definatly the first nail warcrafts coffin .
Aion is rubbish. No one in WoW cares about it so if you like it then go to the Aion forums.