Wow is like a dying dog now a days that shits on the rug of the mmorpger. It's just a matter of time before it dies. I rather see another game put a bullete in the old fart bag rather then seeing it just die of old age. TOR i doubt will be that game but one can hope. I was hoping War would be it but after playing about a few hours i can see it wouldn't of.
Why? You act as if a game did something to you personally lol.
So Jimmy... You've been let down by WAR, AoC, and TR and now you are predicting TOR will be the next big thing? Forgive me if I don't put $50 on TOR, you don't have a real good history of picking winners.
I didn't type anthink about picking winners, i was just informing you that the games i have played since i left WoW.
There hasn't been another game released imo thats close to getting WoW population.
So Jimmy... You've been let down by WAR, AoC, and TR and now you are predicting TOR will be the next big thing? Forgive me if I don't put $50 on TOR, you don't have a real good history of picking winners.
I didn't type anthink about picking winners, i was just informing you that the games i have played since i left WoW.
There hasn't been another game released imo thats close to getting WoW population.
Another one of these threads haha. See you in Blizzards next MMO after I'm bored with other Blizzard games.
Yes indeed, people hype themselves up into a frenzy about a game and then are ultimately dissappointed when the game is released.
And i have to point out that the guys at Bliazzard are not fools, they created WoW and will no doubt create something equally as good or better which will succeed it.
If SW:TOR turns out good then that's excellent, however dont expect anything is my advice........
Threads like these are just so dumb. Wait until the game has actually been released to see how well it does before making threads like these.
If the game doesn't do well, you're just going to sound like an idiot. And you know what? On the unfortunate conclusion that it does fail...I'll necro this threads just to laugh in your face....0o
Marketing IS all, if you want the casual market, like wow does. 99% in there is casual, like parents with their children. They arent interested in the best game ever, they play the game they know of (for the best game, they would have to inform themselves, something a casual wouldnt do). Maybe in the past there were some informed people in wow, but today only marketing hold it that strong in numbers. But marketing is expensive, even EA with Warhammer could have so much more players, but they're not willing to spent the money for it. The "wow killer" will have TV ads from beginning on, in every country. When I try to explain someone, what EQ2 is: "Its a RPG, you play online with thousands of other people" - "..." - "*sigh* Its like wow" - "Oh, ok I understand"
Another one of the wow haters club, that thinks a game has a shit playerbase because its good, and that games with larger game populations are automatically crap.
News for you m8. EQ2 at launch and for 2+ years was total garbage thats why it has a small player base because it was garbage and remains it to this day. Do not try to tell people that because they chose to play wow they are not informed and that they are casual. Like Thillian you always spout crap about wow because for some reason you think its success is a bad thing.
Newsflash SOE probably pumped millions of dollars into EQ2 to make it into EQ1 sucessor, and it failed, because it was crap, NOT because it was good. You and thillians logic is pure twisted as always. Another thing please dont come here spouting crap about players play wow because they dont inform themsleves. They informed themsleves years when EQ1 was dying, UO was dying, daoc was dying, EQ2 flopped, aoc flopped, Vanguard flopped. So yes the majprity of the playerbase did inform themselves of what they wanted to play, its unfortunate you cant see theta and still continue to spout ypur nonsensical tiwsted logic.
Sadly very true... though EQ2 today is quite a good game it lost any chance of having a meaningful population when SOE released it A) too soon and b) with too many broken features that beta testers WARNED them would be a problem. But SOE was in such a rush to beat WOW to market that they released EQ2 in a state that pretty much guaranteed it would never have a huge player base.
The game is much better today than it was back then... and, imo it's actually one of the best games out there. However, because it was such utter crap for it's first year (and part of it's 2nd) the only playerbase left is the older vets. It gets new players now and then but it doesn't have enough new players to make the low level game any fun because it's so hard for new players to find groups etc.
If EQ2 had released in the condition it was in 1.2 years after it released it could have seen subscriber numbers in the millions. SOE never learns though. They rush games to market and always wind up getting their faces kicked in because of it.
I wouldn't call EQ2 a flop though... it does have a decent player base though it's nothing approaching what it could have been.
Back to the OP's post though:
SW:TOR will not be a WoW killer. The games will be too different. As I said in an earlier post: Even if TOR approaches WoW-Like numbers of players people will likely play both games rather than leaving one for the other.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I havn't seen a game on the market which would ever challenge WoW's population, that was untill now. I belive that SWTOR will be the next big game 2010. To be honest it's about time somethik epic should be developed. Iv'e been let down with AoC , WaR & TR let's hope that SWTOR won't go down the same road.
HAHA
This should be a autopost and sticky for every game in developmen. hahah.. always ppl predict the next WoW killer. This will be probably as craphammer.
The only game that will kill WoW is possible blizzards next gen MMO. Thats about it. Blizzard is the best game developer out there for MMOs. In blizzard we trust.
Marketing IS all, if you want the casual market, like wow does. 99% in there is casual, like parents with their children. They arent interested in the best game ever, they play the game they know of (for the best game, they would have to inform themselves, something a casual wouldnt do). Maybe in the past there were some informed people in wow, but today only marketing hold it that strong in numbers. But marketing is expensive, even EA with Warhammer could have so much more players, but they're not willing to spent the money for it. The "wow killer" will have TV ads from beginning on, in every country. When I try to explain someone, what EQ2 is: "Its a RPG, you play online with thousands of other people" - "..." - "*sigh* Its like wow" - "Oh, ok I understand"
Another one of the wow haters club, that thinks a game has a shit playerbase because its good, and that games with larger game populations are automatically crap.
News for you m8. EQ2 at launch and for 2+ years was total garbage thats why it has a small player base because it was garbage and remains it to this day. Do not try to tell people that because they chose to play wow they are not informed and that they are casual. Like Thillian you always spout crap about wow because for some reason you think its success is a bad thing.
Newsflash SOE probably pumped millions of dollars into EQ2 to make it into EQ1 sucessor, and it failed, because it was crap, NOT because it was good. You and thillians logic is pure twisted as always. Another thing please dont come here spouting crap about players play wow because they dont inform themsleves. They informed themsleves years when EQ1 was dying, UO was dying, daoc was dying, EQ2 flopped, aoc flopped, Vanguard flopped. So yes the majprity of the playerbase did inform themselves of what they wanted to play, its unfortunate you cant see theta and still continue to spout ypur nonsensical tiwsted logic.
Sadly very true... though EQ2 today is quite a good game it lost any chance of having a meaningful population when SOE released it A) too soon and b) with too many broken features that beta testers WARNED them would be a problem. But SOE was in such a rush to beat WOW to market that they released EQ2 in a state that pretty much guaranteed it would never have a huge player base.
The game is much better today than it was back then... and, imo it's actually one of the best games out there. However, because it was such utter crap for it's first year (and part of it's 2nd) the only playerbase left is the older vets. It gets new players now and then but it doesn't have enough new players to make the low level game any fun because it's so hard for new players to find groups etc.
If EQ2 had released in the condition it was in 1.2 years after it released it could have seen subscriber numbers in the millions. SOE never learns though. They rush games to market and always wind up getting their faces kicked in because of it.
I wouldn't call EQ2 a flop though... it does have a decent player base though it's nothing approaching what it could have been.
Back to the OP's post though:
SW:TOR will not be a WoW killer. The games will be too different. As I said in an earlier post: Even if TOR approaches WoW-Like numbers of players people will likely play both games rather than leaving one for the other.
If EQ2 was such a great game now that it would garner millions of players if it were releaed today, then more people would play it now. I hear this same exact post about so many games, Vanguard, SWG, etc. It is always the same thoughts echoed each time. That _____ game is so much better than release, it is one of the better games on the market, etc etc.
Sure it is better than it was at release, but that isn't a very strong comparison. Sure it is one of the better games on the market, but that isn't saying much as the market is filled with incomplete buggy releases that never recovered.
Honestly these games are so unlikely to grab millions of players since they can't even grab positive population flow currently. They still suffer from huge problems which is why they can't even attract the huge mass of people who as desperate for a new game. EQ2 for example has a horrible first impression. The station downloader is a piece of crap that can be a terrible problem to overcome all by itself. Then the games first impression is the "default" settings that almost every single new players guide recommends digging through .INI files and messing with 1,000 settings and to download a UI mod to get some decent functionality out of the game. That isn't even going into details about how the game actually plays either which is a frankenstein result of core design changes slapped on top of core design changes for years and years. There is no way this game would storm the market in its condition. EQ2 cannot even be true to itself let alone appeal to masses.
I don't doubt that many of these games are much better than they were in their early years, but comparing something to itself when it was in despair might make it look like a masterpiece now, but overall there is more to a comparison than that. There is a reason why these games have been slowly dying for years and cannot even gain people when they give the game away for free.
I havn't seen a game on the market which would ever challenge WoW's population, that was untill now. I belive that SWTOR will be the next big game 2010. To be honest it's about time somethik epic should be developed. Iv'e been let down with AoC , WaR & TR let's hope that SWTOR won't go down the same road.
HAHA
This should be a autopost and sticky for every game in developmen. hahah.. always ppl predict the next WoW killer. This will be probably as craphammer.
The only game that will kill WoW is possible blizzards next gen MMO. Thats about it. Blizzard is the best game developer out there for MMOs. In blizzard we trust.
Bioware puts out extremely high quality games (Mass effect, Baldur's gate, etc). Thus there is a reason why gamers voted TOR game of E3 on several sites. I do think that Bioware will put out a high quality game. Now, will it be a game for hard core MMOers doubtful.
Bioware puts out extremely high quality games (Mass effect, Baldur's gate, etc). Thus there is a reason why gamers voted TOR game of E3 on several sites. I do think that Bioware will put out a high quality game. Now, will it be a game for hard core MMOers doubtful.
Don't take this as a reflection of biowares mmo, but past winners of E3 included:
2008: warhammer online
2007: age of conan
2006: age of conan
2005: dungeons and dragons online
I just don't put much stock into the awards at E3 anymore.
I see E3 awards more as a games potential for success. Now, whether they live up to that potential is something else entirely. Clearly, games listed above could have been great.....but the execution failed for whatever reason.
So in that respect, I agree that E3 awards should be taken with a grain of salt.
First, I have to point out that the OP never said this game was going to be a WoW Killer, he simply stated that it has the potential to be a huge success like WoW was.
As for what I think will kill WoW it is only one thing - time. WoW has had a long and successful run and Blizzard seems to know this and thus is working on their next MMO. Whether it is a replacement for WoW or expected to garner a higher population of customers only they will know. Also, from the newer games starting to show on the horizon it is obvious MMOs are expanfing to the next level, much like any technology - and thus why a WoW clone is never going to kill WoW.
THat being said, I do think the only thing SW;TOR is going to kill is SW:G. Be good to nail that coffin shut.
My opinion is that SW:TOR is going to be a huge success. Why? A few reasons:
1.) It is one of the greatest properties of modern age put in the hands of a developer renowned for their RPG capabilities and high-quality of thier games.
2.) Bioware has already "paved a path" so to speak in the success of KOTOR.
3.) The voice acting, for those who have played Mass Effect, does add a strong element of draw to the game. This will most likely raise the bar on all future MMOs. A good thing for MMOs in general.
Finally, regardless of Blizzard's add budget, many that are new to MMOs aren't necessarily aware of WoW. (I know, I joined another game first which I still play and then learned of WoW). There are very few people on this planet, however, that have never heard of Star Wars!!
I would expect the first announcements of Blizzard's new MMO this time next year (next E3), so as to steal some of SW:TOR thunder.
And don't forget SOE's announcement that it will be reopening some classic Pre-CU servers a couple of weeks before launch too!
This won't matter in the slightest. Their reputation is so tarnished at this point no one is going to hold on when their competitior, Bioware, has a reputation that is untarnished.
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Why? You act as if a game did something to you personally lol.
I didn't type anthink about picking winners, i was just informing you that the games i have played since i left WoW.
There hasn't been another game released imo thats close to getting WoW population.
If any game can imo it's SWTOR.
I shall be back in 2010 to gloat or eat my words
I didn't type anthink about picking winners, i was just informing you that the games i have played since i left WoW.
There hasn't been another game released imo thats close to getting WoW population.
If any game can imo it's SWTOR.
I shall be back in 2010 to gloat or eat my words
/e hands Jimmy a fork
Yes indeed, people hype themselves up into a frenzy about a game and then are ultimately dissappointed when the game is released.
And i have to point out that the guys at Bliazzard are not fools, they created WoW and will no doubt create something equally as good or better which will succeed it.
If SW:TOR turns out good then that's excellent, however dont expect anything is my advice........
Threads like these are just so dumb. Wait until the game has actually been released to see how well it does before making threads like these.
If the game doesn't do well, you're just going to sound like an idiot. And you know what? On the unfortunate conclusion that it does fail...I'll necro this threads just to laugh in your face....0o
Another one of the wow haters club, that thinks a game has a shit playerbase because its good, and that games with larger game populations are automatically crap.
News for you m8. EQ2 at launch and for 2+ years was total garbage thats why it has a small player base because it was garbage and remains it to this day. Do not try to tell people that because they chose to play wow they are not informed and that they are casual. Like Thillian you always spout crap about wow because for some reason you think its success is a bad thing.
Newsflash SOE probably pumped millions of dollars into EQ2 to make it into EQ1 sucessor, and it failed, because it was crap, NOT because it was good. You and thillians logic is pure twisted as always. Another thing please dont come here spouting crap about players play wow because they dont inform themsleves. They informed themsleves years when EQ1 was dying, UO was dying, daoc was dying, EQ2 flopped, aoc flopped, Vanguard flopped. So yes the majprity of the playerbase did inform themselves of what they wanted to play, its unfortunate you cant see theta and still continue to spout ypur nonsensical tiwsted logic.
Sadly very true... though EQ2 today is quite a good game it lost any chance of having a meaningful population when SOE released it A) too soon and b) with too many broken features that beta testers WARNED them would be a problem. But SOE was in such a rush to beat WOW to market that they released EQ2 in a state that pretty much guaranteed it would never have a huge player base.
The game is much better today than it was back then... and, imo it's actually one of the best games out there. However, because it was such utter crap for it's first year (and part of it's 2nd) the only playerbase left is the older vets. It gets new players now and then but it doesn't have enough new players to make the low level game any fun because it's so hard for new players to find groups etc.
If EQ2 had released in the condition it was in 1.2 years after it released it could have seen subscriber numbers in the millions. SOE never learns though. They rush games to market and always wind up getting their faces kicked in because of it.
I wouldn't call EQ2 a flop though... it does have a decent player base though it's nothing approaching what it could have been.
Back to the OP's post though:
SW:TOR will not be a WoW killer. The games will be too different. As I said in an earlier post: Even if TOR approaches WoW-Like numbers of players people will likely play both games rather than leaving one for the other.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
HAHA
This should be a autopost and sticky for every game in developmen. hahah.. always ppl predict the next WoW killer. This will be probably as craphammer.
The only game that will kill WoW is possible blizzards next gen MMO. Thats about it. Blizzard is the best game developer out there for MMOs. In blizzard we trust.
I would expect the first announcements of Blizzard's new MMO this time next year (next E3), so as to steal some of SW:TOR thunder.
And don't forget SOE's announcement that it will be reopening some classic Pre-CU servers a couple of weeks before launch too!
Another one of the wow haters club, that thinks a game has a shit playerbase because its good, and that games with larger game populations are automatically crap.
News for you m8. EQ2 at launch and for 2+ years was total garbage thats why it has a small player base because it was garbage and remains it to this day. Do not try to tell people that because they chose to play wow they are not informed and that they are casual. Like Thillian you always spout crap about wow because for some reason you think its success is a bad thing.
Newsflash SOE probably pumped millions of dollars into EQ2 to make it into EQ1 sucessor, and it failed, because it was crap, NOT because it was good. You and thillians logic is pure twisted as always. Another thing please dont come here spouting crap about players play wow because they dont inform themsleves. They informed themsleves years when EQ1 was dying, UO was dying, daoc was dying, EQ2 flopped, aoc flopped, Vanguard flopped. So yes the majprity of the playerbase did inform themselves of what they wanted to play, its unfortunate you cant see theta and still continue to spout ypur nonsensical tiwsted logic.
Sadly very true... though EQ2 today is quite a good game it lost any chance of having a meaningful population when SOE released it A) too soon and b) with too many broken features that beta testers WARNED them would be a problem. But SOE was in such a rush to beat WOW to market that they released EQ2 in a state that pretty much guaranteed it would never have a huge player base.
The game is much better today than it was back then... and, imo it's actually one of the best games out there. However, because it was such utter crap for it's first year (and part of it's 2nd) the only playerbase left is the older vets. It gets new players now and then but it doesn't have enough new players to make the low level game any fun because it's so hard for new players to find groups etc.
If EQ2 had released in the condition it was in 1.2 years after it released it could have seen subscriber numbers in the millions. SOE never learns though. They rush games to market and always wind up getting their faces kicked in because of it.
I wouldn't call EQ2 a flop though... it does have a decent player base though it's nothing approaching what it could have been.
Back to the OP's post though:
SW:TOR will not be a WoW killer. The games will be too different. As I said in an earlier post: Even if TOR approaches WoW-Like numbers of players people will likely play both games rather than leaving one for the other.
If EQ2 was such a great game now that it would garner millions of players if it were releaed today, then more people would play it now. I hear this same exact post about so many games, Vanguard, SWG, etc. It is always the same thoughts echoed each time. That _____ game is so much better than release, it is one of the better games on the market, etc etc.
Sure it is better than it was at release, but that isn't a very strong comparison. Sure it is one of the better games on the market, but that isn't saying much as the market is filled with incomplete buggy releases that never recovered.
Honestly these games are so unlikely to grab millions of players since they can't even grab positive population flow currently. They still suffer from huge problems which is why they can't even attract the huge mass of people who as desperate for a new game. EQ2 for example has a horrible first impression. The station downloader is a piece of crap that can be a terrible problem to overcome all by itself. Then the games first impression is the "default" settings that almost every single new players guide recommends digging through .INI files and messing with 1,000 settings and to download a UI mod to get some decent functionality out of the game. That isn't even going into details about how the game actually plays either which is a frankenstein result of core design changes slapped on top of core design changes for years and years. There is no way this game would storm the market in its condition. EQ2 cannot even be true to itself let alone appeal to masses.
I don't doubt that many of these games are much better than they were in their early years, but comparing something to itself when it was in despair might make it look like a masterpiece now, but overall there is more to a comparison than that. There is a reason why these games have been slowly dying for years and cannot even gain people when they give the game away for free.
HAHA
This should be a autopost and sticky for every game in developmen. hahah.. always ppl predict the next WoW killer. This will be probably as craphammer.
The only game that will kill WoW is possible blizzards next gen MMO. Thats about it. Blizzard is the best game developer out there for MMOs. In blizzard we trust.
Bioware puts out extremely high quality games (Mass effect, Baldur's gate, etc). Thus there is a reason why gamers voted TOR game of E3 on several sites. I do think that Bioware will put out a high quality game. Now, will it be a game for hard core MMOers doubtful.
Don't take this as a reflection of biowares mmo, but past winners of E3 included:
2008: warhammer online
2007: age of conan
2006: age of conan
2005: dungeons and dragons online
I just don't put much stock into the awards at E3 anymore.
I see E3 awards more as a games potential for success. Now, whether they live up to that potential is something else entirely. Clearly, games listed above could have been great.....but the execution failed for whatever reason.
So in that respect, I agree that E3 awards should be taken with a grain of salt.
Prax
First, I have to point out that the OP never said this game was going to be a WoW Killer, he simply stated that it has the potential to be a huge success like WoW was.
As for what I think will kill WoW it is only one thing - time. WoW has had a long and successful run and Blizzard seems to know this and thus is working on their next MMO. Whether it is a replacement for WoW or expected to garner a higher population of customers only they will know. Also, from the newer games starting to show on the horizon it is obvious MMOs are expanfing to the next level, much like any technology - and thus why a WoW clone is never going to kill WoW.
THat being said, I do think the only thing SW;TOR is going to kill is SW:G. Be good to nail that coffin shut.
My opinion is that SW:TOR is going to be a huge success. Why? A few reasons:
1.) It is one of the greatest properties of modern age put in the hands of a developer renowned for their RPG capabilities and high-quality of thier games.
2.) Bioware has already "paved a path" so to speak in the success of KOTOR.
3.) The voice acting, for those who have played Mass Effect, does add a strong element of draw to the game. This will most likely raise the bar on all future MMOs. A good thing for MMOs in general.
Finally, regardless of Blizzard's add budget, many that are new to MMOs aren't necessarily aware of WoW. (I know, I joined another game first which I still play and then learned of WoW). There are very few people on this planet, however, that have never heard of Star Wars!!
And don't forget SOE's announcement that it will be reopening some classic Pre-CU servers a couple of weeks before launch too!
This won't matter in the slightest. Their reputation is so tarnished at this point no one is going to hold on when their competitior, Bioware, has a reputation that is untarnished.
And don't forget SOE's announcement that it will be reopening some classic Pre-CU servers a couple of weeks before launch too!
Do you have a link to that please?