This game will not survive a 2nd server. The interest in the game has dwindled. The game doesn t have the resources to bounce back from a miserable launch.
This game will not survive a 2nd server. The interest in the game has dwindled. The game doesn t have the resources to bounce back from a miserable launch.
No amount of your trying will make Darkfall look like less of the total failure that it is
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
Oh... but..
Darkfall was better when it WAS vaporware, because back then, it had a lot of features and promis. Now that it's released and the populace has hands-on experience, Darkfall & Aventurine has become a comical circus of events. Specially Tasos, of whom the entire MMORPG community cannot stop laughing @.
There isn't going to be another server, nor a new website.... because all that was promised back in DECEMBER, then in FEB... now it's almost 1/2 thru June. Nobody cares anymore!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
No amount of your trying will make Darkfall look like less of the total failure that it is
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
Oh... but..
Darkfall was better when it WAS vaporware, because back then, it had a lot of features and promis. Now that it's released and the populace has hands-on experience, Darkfall & Aventurine has become a comical circus of events. Specially Tasos, of whom the entire MMORPG community cannot stop laughing @.
There isn't going to be another server, nor a new website.... because all that was promised back in DECEMBER, then in FEB... now it's almost 1/2 thru June. Nobody cares anymore!
Agree that no one cares anymore but I think they will release a new server and also it will be their undoing. The EU server will be a ghost town and thats not a good thing kids. The titanic sank about as slowly in the movie as this game is going.
If the open up NA-1 and EU-1 is a ghost town, they'd probably merge. It's the logical thing to do (regardless of the comments that will come just from me saying that).
The only thing I can see happening when they open NA-1 is a website update and more new players, if they actually push some kind of marketing. A major update would probably be justified (very major update) before the new server is open. If all goes right and an update is released that addresses some of the PVE issues, the need to have to macro skills up, and all the various terrain exploits (which they did throw out a 200ish count ban today), I think it'll be a turn in the right direction for the game.
Will it ever be bustling? No. But it's also not too late for them to turn the game around. Other companies have made complete 360s with their product over 6-12 months, there's no reason Darkfall and AV can't do the same. Will they is another story.
Actually they said they temporarily banned 185 players for using loot macros and terrain exploits.
Tasos said that they "continue to ban" people for using 3rd party software, but didn't actualy say they had banned any number of people outside of the 185 that got the temp bans today. Just they they "continue" to do so.
Just wanna point out.
Tasos said it was OK to macro, as long as it's attended.
The game doesn't have any in game system to macro.
No amount of your trying will make Darkfall look like less of the total failure that it is
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
Oh... but..
Darkfall was better when it WAS vaporware, because back then, it had a lot of features and promis. Now that it's released and the populace has hands-on experience, Darkfall & Aventurine has become a comical circus of events. Specially Tasos, of whom the entire MMORPG community cannot stop laughing @.
There isn't going to be another server, nor a new website.... because all that was promised back in DECEMBER, then in FEB... now it's almost 1/2 thru June. Nobody cares anymore!
Agree that no one cares anymore but I think they will release a new server and also it will be their undoing. The EU server will be a ghost town and thats not a good thing kids. The titanic sank about as slowly in the movie as this game is going.
If the open up NA-1 and EU-1 is a ghost town, they'd probably merge. It's the logical thing to do (regardless of the comments that will come just from me saying that).
The only thing I can see happening when they open NA-1 is a website update and more new players, if they actually push some kind of marketing. A major update would probably be justified (very major update) before the new server is open. If all goes right and an update is released that addresses some of the PVE issues, the need to have to macro skills up, and all the various terrain exploits (which they did throw out a 200ish count ban today), I think it'll be a turn in the right direction for the game.
Will it ever be bustling? No. But it's also not too late for them to turn the game around. Other companies have made complete 360s with their product over 6-12 months, there's no reason Darkfall and AV can't do the same. Will they is another story.
They wouldn't be able to afford a merge.. the NA server is going to cost them some serious cash $100K+ !! THAT is the reson they will never opena nA server, because Aventurine does not have that kind of money. They are currently hanging on by a very small thread and in no position to be spending money.
Secondly, no amount of marketing is going to help Aventurine or Darkfall. Some 320,000 beta testers signed up for this extremely niche game and as soon as the NDA dropped, some 500,000 people knew what a POS it was. WHO.. exactly will they market this game too ..? Most the people playing DFO are from North America... lol.
Darkfall's reputation is ruined, that is why the release of your game is so criticle. Stupid investors should know by now, that the people you get during beta are the people who will be paying your checks. If you don't reatain people within the first weeks/months... you'll NEVER get them back.
There is countless examples of this, Vanguard being one of them. One of the best MMORPG's to date, yet 300K bought the game and 2 months later only 40k were playing. Because the graphic requirments were too high and other stability issues. Now both are resolved and they have spent 2 years and incredible amount of effort, and even after free trials, they cannot get people back!
Simply, because many people's first experience with that game wasn't stellar, so they lost them as customers for life..! Specially with newer and supposedly better games comming out.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
Haven't read past the OPs post but pointing out that 18k total users is incredibly, incredibly low. The company would go bankrupt at that rate. While Darkfall had a lower budget than mainstream mmorpgs it was still considerable. If those mainstream mmorpgs often need 300-500k to break even, it's a safe bet that DF needs a ton more than 18k.
NA server may bring some unsubscribed people back but anyone who had an inclination to buy Darkfall would have done it by now. To test the game/classes in preparation for NA if nothing else.
Besides, splitting a quiet server is not a good idea. Not that doing nothing is a good idea either since people are expecting it. I honestly think DF is in trouble. Even their own players seem discontent and bored.
To all those who say that 18k is low well think again...... Darkfall spend nothing for adverisment. They dont pay in game GM's or site moderators. They have curently only 1 server. So in my opinion even if they drop to 15k or even 10k they can cont running DFO perfectly . We must wait to see what happens when NE-1 comes live to see if DFO lost its momentum The real question is can multimillion dollar productions like Warhammer or Aoc survive in the long run with a pop below 500k? (sorry couldnt resist )
Lets do some layman business calculation. 10k subscribers equals, after VAT, about 100k €/month. I dont know excactly what the costs are for having people employed in Greece but if it is anywhere near the west european standard then it will cost them atleast 5k €/month per person. Lets say they have a skeleton crew of 5 people working with the game (and that is really low for running an MMORPG), that equals 25k €/month expenses for salaries. Then I have no idea what their costs is for their infrastructure (servers, office etc) but I don't think it will be lower than 10k €/month.
That is 100k € revenue per month and 35k € expenses per month. That is only 65k € profit per month, not including taxes.
If the game cost them 10M € then it will take them about 150 months which is over 12 years just to make up what the game cost to develop and that is a failed bussiness model.
Also add the total amount of sold copies friend and any they might sell in the future. And if people here are correct, then they wont even open another server as they will know they wont have enough subs for it. So why do we all think we know better?
Even though they are newbies in this biusness, i am sure they are being advised about future spending. If they new server doesnt open they i will have to agree with you all...if it opens then, sorry looks like you could possibly be wrong
Originally posted by javac Originally posted by miagisan Originally posted by javac 15K clanned members + guesstimate of 3K unclanned == 18K on the server. certainly plenty more than the 10K players they were aiming for pre-release.
way to spin the facts...they said their server would be able to handle 10k CONCURRENT members. at around 20-30% during primetime at 10k....they should have sold 33k copies.
hello? concurrent at primetime would be 7-10K.
got a reference for where they specify concurrent not total?
either way, they're good numbers for just 1 server with FPS combat/no auto-targeting.
the big question is: how quickly will NA-1 sell out? i bet it sells out within 4 hours of opening. This man asked a question and no one answered.
"Servers can hold 30k people, with 10k playing at the same time."
There's also articles that also 10,000 concurrent players that reference Tasos but everyone here knows how to use Google.
Also, found an article from 2001 with an interview with the creators of Darkfall, as in, when Tasos wasnt a part of it and the game was so full of promise.
I am very intrested to see the reaction of posters here at MMORPG when AV does in fact open up an NA-1 server around the July time frame as they have said they would do 3 times now.
(3 times same decalred time frame) so the slow that means
"we plan to open around 2nd Q 2009""
"as we said we plan to open in 2nd Q 2009""
"as we told everyone already we plan to open around 2nd Q 2009"
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
I am very intrested to see the reaction of posters here at MMORPG when AV does in fact open up an NA-1 server around the July time frame as they have said they would do 3 times now.
(3 times same decalred time frame) so the slow that means "we plan to open around 2nd Q 2009"" "as we said we plan to open in 2nd Q 2009"" "as we told everyone already we plan to open around 2nd Q 2009"
Doubt you will get a strong reaction. DF freshness is running out, most people don't bother posting anything about DF or even coming to DF forums. Only those who have strong feelings about DF will come and post here when DF makes NA server (or doesn't).
DF is too small and insignificant to be at the centre of attention for long.
Doubt you will get a strong reaction. DF freshness is running out, most people don't bother posting anything about DF or even coming to DF forums. Only those who have strong feelings about DF will come and post here when DF makes NA server (or doesn't). DF is too small and insignificant to be at the centre of attention for long.
Well that is nice to know but wasnt really related to what i was saying. The backstory there is that I got into a forum argument yesterday with someone saying that the NA server will not go up. Failure or not, it iS going up.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
No amount of your trying will make Darkfall look like less of the total failure that it is
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
your willful ignorance of the definition of "vaporware" (after being shown a dozen+ definitions) will not change the fact that if darkfall stays up for 100 years, it will still be vaporware.
but whatever, roma victor has some hardcore cultists as well.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
your willful ignorance of the definition of "vaporware" (after being shown a dozen+ definitions) will not change the fact that if darkfall stays up for 100 years, it will still be vaporware.
but whatever, roma victor has some hardcore cultists as well.
oh do enlighten one please tell us what the word "vaporware" means. Ill look it up as well
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
your willful ignorance of the definition of "vaporware" (after being shown a dozen+ definitions) will not change the fact that if darkfall stays up for 100 years, it will still be vaporware.
but whatever, roma victor has some hardcore cultists as well.
oh do enlighten one please tell us what the word "vaporware" means. Ill look it up as well
we played that game with daarco one day, look up the thread here. but seriously, we darkfall players are tired of this lame trolling -- TROLL ELSEWHERE.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
No amount of your trying will make Darkfall look like less of the total failure that it is
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
your willful ignorance of the definition of "vaporware" (after being shown a dozen+ definitions) will not change the fact that if darkfall stays up for 100 years, it will still be vaporware.
but whatever, roma victor has some hardcore cultists as well.
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Bro, if you can buy the game and play it, then it's not Vaporware, it's tangable! Vaporware means it doesn't truely exist and is more of an idea or a project unseen by others... thus a rumor or vaporware.
I have no idea what you are refering to, but as bad as Darkfall may be, one thing it is not, is Vaporware, because thousands of people are playing it. !!!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
Will it ever be bustling? No. But it's also not too late for them to turn the game around. Other companies have made complete 360s with their product over 6-12 months, there's no reason Darkfall and AV can't do the same.
I absolutely see Aventurine's fortunes turning around 360 degrees.
Will it ever be bustling? No. But it's also not too late for them to turn the game around. Other companies have made complete 360s with their product over 6-12 months, there's no reason Darkfall and AV can't do the same.
I absolutely see Aventurine's fortunes turning around 360 degrees.
Sensing the sarcasm in your post, maybe you didn't grasp what I meant my that statement.
Do I think they will turn a complete 360 and be bringing in new players by the dozen? No. But they can deliver the features that were promised all over the forums, website, and trailers, that would be considered a complete turnaround, would it not? I think it would. I wasn't even trying to discuss whether their financial troubles will turn around or not, but, the game itself, can still have the features added that had everyone excited for the game.
Right now, the core of the game isn't bad. It's just entirely too empty with nothing to do, and no motivation to do anything. Mobs are too hard, the reagent/mat cost to kill the mobs cost more than you gain unless you stick with the bottom of the bottom in the easy mobs. The only thing to do are sieges, or small scale PVP. Sieges don't interest me, I participated in a few of them, and I just didn't like the atmosphere. I enjoy the small scale PVP much more. There's just no reason for it to happen. And the only time it does happen is when you ride around ganking gatherers, crafters, or noob characters.
The game can still turn around in terms of quality, probably not subscription. Tho, I do see an increase if they deliver some more content, PVE fixes, and really bust out with the advertisement. Either way, I'll still be playing off and on.
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DF... a game soo bad nobody blinks an eyelid when even amazingavery bashes it. thats saying something
Playing polished, lag free, feature complete games is carebear. Whining about a game you hate but still play is hardcore man!
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
........ please comment on the fact that without all those things 300 THOUSAND people signed up for beta and only 18k people are subbed?
Dem hibbies! Dey be wrong!
This game will not survive a 2nd server. The interest in the game has dwindled. The game doesn t have the resources to bounce back from a miserable launch.
I agree
Thread cleaned up. Let us try to focus on the topic of the post at hand and not go out of our way to take personal shots at eachother.
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
Oh... but..
Darkfall was better when it WAS vaporware, because back then, it had a lot of features and promis. Now that it's released and the populace has hands-on experience, Darkfall & Aventurine has become a comical circus of events. Specially Tasos, of whom the entire MMORPG community cannot stop laughing @.
There isn't going to be another server, nor a new website.... because all that was promised back in DECEMBER, then in FEB... now it's almost 1/2 thru June. Nobody cares anymore!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
Oh... but..
Darkfall was better when it WAS vaporware, because back then, it had a lot of features and promis. Now that it's released and the populace has hands-on experience, Darkfall & Aventurine has become a comical circus of events. Specially Tasos, of whom the entire MMORPG community cannot stop laughing @.
There isn't going to be another server, nor a new website.... because all that was promised back in DECEMBER, then in FEB... now it's almost 1/2 thru June. Nobody cares anymore!
Agree that no one cares anymore but I think they will release a new server and also it will be their undoing. The EU server will be a ghost town and thats not a good thing kids. The titanic sank about as slowly in the movie as this game is going.
If the open up NA-1 and EU-1 is a ghost town, they'd probably merge. It's the logical thing to do (regardless of the comments that will come just from me saying that).
The only thing I can see happening when they open NA-1 is a website update and more new players, if they actually push some kind of marketing. A major update would probably be justified (very major update) before the new server is open. If all goes right and an update is released that addresses some of the PVE issues, the need to have to macro skills up, and all the various terrain exploits (which they did throw out a 200ish count ban today), I think it'll be a turn in the right direction for the game.
Will it ever be bustling? No. But it's also not too late for them to turn the game around. Other companies have made complete 360s with their product over 6-12 months, there's no reason Darkfall and AV can't do the same. Will they is another story.
Actually they said they temporarily banned 185 players for using loot macros and terrain exploits.
Tasos said that they "continue to ban" people for using 3rd party software, but didn't actualy say they had banned any number of people outside of the 185 that got the temp bans today. Just they they "continue" to do so.
Just wanna point out.
Tasos said it was OK to macro, as long as it's attended.
The game doesn't have any in game system to macro.
In order to macro you need 3rd party software.
3rd party software isn't allowed.
But it's ok to macro.
Makes sense to me.
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
Oh... but..
Darkfall was better when it WAS vaporware, because back then, it had a lot of features and promis. Now that it's released and the populace has hands-on experience, Darkfall & Aventurine has become a comical circus of events. Specially Tasos, of whom the entire MMORPG community cannot stop laughing @.
There isn't going to be another server, nor a new website.... because all that was promised back in DECEMBER, then in FEB... now it's almost 1/2 thru June. Nobody cares anymore!
Agree that no one cares anymore but I think they will release a new server and also it will be their undoing. The EU server will be a ghost town and thats not a good thing kids. The titanic sank about as slowly in the movie as this game is going.
If the open up NA-1 and EU-1 is a ghost town, they'd probably merge. It's the logical thing to do (regardless of the comments that will come just from me saying that).
The only thing I can see happening when they open NA-1 is a website update and more new players, if they actually push some kind of marketing. A major update would probably be justified (very major update) before the new server is open. If all goes right and an update is released that addresses some of the PVE issues, the need to have to macro skills up, and all the various terrain exploits (which they did throw out a 200ish count ban today), I think it'll be a turn in the right direction for the game.
Will it ever be bustling? No. But it's also not too late for them to turn the game around. Other companies have made complete 360s with their product over 6-12 months, there's no reason Darkfall and AV can't do the same. Will they is another story.
They wouldn't be able to afford a merge.. the NA server is going to cost them some serious cash $100K+ !! THAT is the reson they will never opena nA server, because Aventurine does not have that kind of money. They are currently hanging on by a very small thread and in no position to be spending money.
Secondly, no amount of marketing is going to help Aventurine or Darkfall. Some 320,000 beta testers signed up for this extremely niche game and as soon as the NDA dropped, some 500,000 people knew what a POS it was. WHO.. exactly will they market this game too ..? Most the people playing DFO are from North America... lol.
Darkfall's reputation is ruined, that is why the release of your game is so criticle. Stupid investors should know by now, that the people you get during beta are the people who will be paying your checks. If you don't reatain people within the first weeks/months... you'll NEVER get them back.
There is countless examples of this, Vanguard being one of them. One of the best MMORPG's to date, yet 300K bought the game and 2 months later only 40k were playing. Because the graphic requirments were too high and other stability issues. Now both are resolved and they have spent 2 years and incredible amount of effort, and even after free trials, they cannot get people back!
Simply, because many people's first experience with that game wasn't stellar, so they lost them as customers for life..! Specially with newer and supposedly better games comming out.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
Haven't read past the OPs post but pointing out that 18k total users is incredibly, incredibly low. The company would go bankrupt at that rate. While Darkfall had a lower budget than mainstream mmorpgs it was still considerable. If those mainstream mmorpgs often need 300-500k to break even, it's a safe bet that DF needs a ton more than 18k.
NA server may bring some unsubscribed people back but anyone who had an inclination to buy Darkfall would have done it by now. To test the game/classes in preparation for NA if nothing else.
Besides, splitting a quiet server is not a good idea. Not that doing nothing is a good idea either since people are expecting it. I honestly think DF is in trouble. Even their own players seem discontent and bored.
Lets do some layman business calculation. 10k subscribers equals, after VAT, about 100k €/month. I dont know excactly what the costs are for having people employed in Greece but if it is anywhere near the west european standard then it will cost them atleast 5k €/month per person. Lets say they have a skeleton crew of 5 people working with the game (and that is really low for running an MMORPG), that equals 25k €/month expenses for salaries. Then I have no idea what their costs is for their infrastructure (servers, office etc) but I don't think it will be lower than 10k €/month.
That is 100k € revenue per month and 35k € expenses per month. That is only 65k € profit per month, not including taxes.
If the game cost them 10M € then it will take them about 150 months which is over 12 years just to make up what the game cost to develop and that is a failed bussiness model.
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Also add the total amount of sold copies friend
and any they might sell in the future. And if people here are correct, then they wont even open another server as they will know they wont have enough subs for it. So why do we all think we know better?
Even though they are newbies in this biusness, i am sure they are being advised about future spending. If they new server doesnt open they i will have to agree with you all...if it opens then, sorry looks like you could possibly be wrong
way to spin the facts...they said their server would be able to handle 10k CONCURRENT members. at around 20-30% during primetime at 10k....they should have sold 33k copies.
hello? concurrent at primetime would be 7-10K.
got a reference for where they specify concurrent not total?
either way, they're good numbers for just 1 server with FPS combat/no auto-targeting.
the big question is: how quickly will NA-1 sell out? i bet it sells out within 4 hours of opening.
This man asked a question and no one answered.
Took me 20 seconds and Google to find the answer.
http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showthread.php?t=79437
"Servers can hold 30k people, with 10k playing at the same time."
There's also articles that also 10,000 concurrent players that reference Tasos but everyone here knows how to use Google.
Also, found an article from 2001 with an interview with the creators of Darkfall, as in, when Tasos wasnt a part of it and the game was so full of promise.
I am very intrested to see the reaction of posters here at MMORPG when AV does in fact open up an NA-1 server around the July time frame as they have said they would do 3 times now.
(3 times same decalred time frame) so the slow that means
"we plan to open around 2nd Q 2009""
"as we said we plan to open in 2nd Q 2009""
"as we told everyone already we plan to open around 2nd Q 2009"
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
Doubt you will get a strong reaction. DF freshness is running out, most people don't bother posting anything about DF or even coming to DF forums. Only those who have strong feelings about DF will come and post here when DF makes NA server (or doesn't).
DF is too small and insignificant to be at the centre of attention for long.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Well that is nice to know but wasnt really related to what i was saying. The backstory there is that I got into a forum argument yesterday with someone saying that the NA server will not go up. Failure or not, it iS going up.
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
your willful ignorance of the definition of "vaporware" (after being shown a dozen+ definitions) will not change the fact that if darkfall stays up for 100 years, it will still be vaporware.
but whatever, roma victor has some hardcore cultists as well.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
oh do enlighten one please tell us what the word "vaporware" means. Ill look it up as well
Please do not respond to me, even if I ask you a question, its rhetorical.
Please do not respond to me
oh do enlighten one please tell us what the word "vaporware" means. Ill look it up as well
we played that game with daarco one day, look up the thread here. but seriously, we darkfall players are tired of this lame trolling -- TROLL ELSEWHERE.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
I can try:
Its not bad for a vaporware game noone thought ever would be released, by some friends that just wanted to make a MMO : )
We will see what happens with another server, advertisment, and a new site : )
Thats some really good trying i think.
your willful ignorance of the definition of "vaporware" (after being shown a dozen+ definitions) will not change the fact that if darkfall stays up for 100 years, it will still be vaporware.
but whatever, roma victor has some hardcore cultists as well.
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Bro, if you can buy the game and play it, then it's not Vaporware, it's tangable! Vaporware means it doesn't truely exist and is more of an idea or a project unseen by others... thus a rumor or vaporware.
I have no idea what you are refering to, but as bad as Darkfall may be, one thing it is not, is Vaporware, because thousands of people are playing it. !!!
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
The game is still in Beta and they haven't formerly advertised.
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I absolutely see Aventurine's fortunes turning around 360 degrees.
I absolutely see Aventurine's fortunes turning around 360 degrees.
Sensing the sarcasm in your post, maybe you didn't grasp what I meant my that statement.
Do I think they will turn a complete 360 and be bringing in new players by the dozen? No. But they can deliver the features that were promised all over the forums, website, and trailers, that would be considered a complete turnaround, would it not? I think it would. I wasn't even trying to discuss whether their financial troubles will turn around or not, but, the game itself, can still have the features added that had everyone excited for the game.
Right now, the core of the game isn't bad. It's just entirely too empty with nothing to do, and no motivation to do anything. Mobs are too hard, the reagent/mat cost to kill the mobs cost more than you gain unless you stick with the bottom of the bottom in the easy mobs. The only thing to do are sieges, or small scale PVP. Sieges don't interest me, I participated in a few of them, and I just didn't like the atmosphere. I enjoy the small scale PVP much more. There's just no reason for it to happen. And the only time it does happen is when you ride around ganking gatherers, crafters, or noob characters.
The game can still turn around in terms of quality, probably not subscription. Tho, I do see an increase if they deliver some more content, PVE fixes, and really bust out with the advertisement. Either way, I'll still be playing off and on.
Revamping the melee combat wouldn't hurt either.