Bro, if you can buy the game and play it, then it's not Vaporware, it's tangable! Vaporware means it doesn't truely exist and is more of an idea or a project unseen by others... thus a rumor or vaporware.
That's idiotic. How can something that's digital be tangible? Tangible = physical. Anyway, Darkfall is vaporware because the game people were excited about for years is not this game. The game that was advertised was filled with features this game does not have, and the experiences that players were promised would be seeing are not part of this game. Darkfall, as we've been led to believe, does not exist.
I think your intent was that Aventurine has an opportunity to turn their game around 180 degrees. If they turn it around 360 degrees they'll have gone in a complete circle leaving them facing in the exact direction they're facing now.
Turning around 360 is a figure of speach..relating to a complete turnaround..as in change of fortunes! surely you have heard of that one before friend? But just in case you seriously havent, i think that is what he meant by 360
I think your intent was that Aventurine has an opportunity to turn their game around 180 degrees. If they turn it around 360 degrees they'll have gone in a complete circle leaving them facing in the exact direction they're facing now.
Turning around 360 is a figure of speach..relating to a complete turnaround..as in change of fortunes! surely you have heard of that one before friend? But just in case you seriously havent, i think that is what he meant by 360
I think your intent was that Aventurine has an opportunity to turn their game around 180 degrees. If they turn it around 360 degrees they'll have gone in a complete circle leaving them facing in the exact direction they're facing now.
Turning around 360 is a figure of speach..relating to a complete turnaround..as in change of fortunes! surely you have heard of that one before friend? But just in case you seriously havent, i think that is what he meant by 360
Just pointing out that a 360 turn around is not a good thing in standard English usage ...
What relevance does that have? friend i am an engineering techncian, i know what it means technically. But more than that i also have common sense and can easily see that the poster meant it in a figure of speech way. Serioulsy friend you dont really think the poster was talking technically do you? i mean the fact that you digged that out shows your'e above average at least so surely you can see throught that lol. then again i am from England, it may just be an English term, and if so then i apologise.
In England saying something has done a 360 means it has turned around completely...as in if a game if failing...it suddenly becomes profitable and succesful. If a Football team wins the first 20 games, it loses the next 10. so it can mean good or bad friend.
No I don't think he was using the technically correct usage of the expression. Clearly by context he meant it to be a 180 degree turn-around. I pointed this out to give an opportunity to learn and improve personal English usage in future. It was not a personal attack on anybody nor a comment about the game discussed, merely an observation from an outsider that perhaps the English used was not entirely technically correct according to standard English usage.
I proferred it simply to point out that the expression used in its initial context was incorrect and perhaps if one wishes to use the expression in future one should think about what that expression actually means in order to be more clearly understood. No more than that.
Edit: I would just like to point out for the benefit of the previous poster that I posted my response because the figure of speech is a 180 degree turn around. I refer said poster to definitions '8' and '9' of the linked page.
8 (idiomatic, buzzword, with "180 degrees") To effect a positive reversal.
9 (idiomatic, buzzword, with "360 degrees") To make a situation worse by trying to make it better.
Also edited for spelling and grammar
2ns Edit: Ultimately, it's not important since in context he was clearly understood. However people were nit-picking so I thought I'd offer the correct English usage should one consider using it in future.
No I don't think he was using the technically correct usage of the expression. Clearly by context he meant it to be a 180 degree turn-around. I pointed this out to give an opportunity to learn and improve personal English usage in future. It was not a personal attack on anybody nor a comment about the game discussed, merely an observation from an outsider that perhaps the English used was not entirely technically correct according to standard English usage. I proferred it simply to point out that the expression used in its initial context was incorrect and perhaps if one wishes to use the expression in future one should think about what that expression actually means in order to be more clearly understood. No more than that.
Edit: I would just like to point out for the benefit of the previous poster that I posted my response because the figure of speech is a 180 degree turn around. I refer said poster to definitions '8' and '9' of the linked page. 8 (idiomatic, buzzword, with "180 degrees") To effect a positive reversal.
9 (idiomatic, buzzword, with "360 degrees") To make a situation worse by trying to make it better.
Also edited for spelling and grammar
Not meaning any personal attack either friend. i just think maybe where we are both from has a different term. Where i am from the term is said this way " a complete 360 turnaround" maybe where you are from it is said as in " a 180 turnaround"
When you say he didnt use the correct technical term. My point was he wasn't using any technical term at all but rather meant it just as a figure of speech i see your'e reference but thats not what it means here in old blighty friend, and i think the poster meant it in those terms. if you said over here that someone turned it around 180, they would think you managed to turn it around half way. if you say 360 they think you turned it around completely, as in for good to bad or vice versa! Thinking about it technically it is wrong you are right, but most figures of speech dont make sense do they
Ever heard of the saying " if i dont see you tomorow, ill see you through the window" it means i will see you around, but does it make sense? not at all
To your'e technical thinking, the term is wrong, but to an englishman ( maybe even others not sure of other counties interpretations ) he is right! and we can't really argue about different cultures friend as to ours your way is wrong also My point is he meant it in a way, you see it in a different way. That's all
I dunno, i find this game to be strangely addicting. The aiming makes even the most mundane 'grind' fights fun. I see other players around all the time compared say, *cough* warhammer. So even with a low sub count, as some of you speculate, the game is not devoid of life. There are certain problems with the game, mainly with cheaters. When they do open a NA server, i am hoping that they have figured out a good way to prevent it. AND no char. xfers!
Also, after owning a g15 for quite sometime, this game has motivated me into learning how to use it. LoL, i dunno if that's a good thing or not.
This is the first game in a while that has brougt a sense of genuine 'fun' feel when u play an mmo. After reading some of your opinionated posts, i'm not too sure how many of you have actually tried the game. If your trashtalking n havent tried it, well, your just a big fat hypocrite. But i will have to agree that they may have not marketed the game like they should and making people pay to beta test the game. Maybe if they would just come out and say it? I shall remain opimistic about the game, b/c it is fun, and hope they figure out the best path to take.
You're assuming I'm not English, for some reason. Please don't do that. The definition I have posted is considered 'Standard English'. This is the yard-stick for technically correct English usage. And just because one happens to use '360 turn around' positively doesn't mean that it is technically correct English usage, even if one happens to be born and bred English. For technically correct English one always has to refer back to a standard. Local variations are simply that. All I was pointing out was that technically the idiomatic expression for positive change is a 180-degree turn around. By the same standard a 360-degree turn around is a negative outcome from well-meaning changes to something. That is all.
Can those who were participating in this discussion please get back to the matter at hand now? If there are still concerns about what I've written I invite you to start a fresh thread on it. I will no longer post language semantics in this thread as it is off-topic from the OP and has gone on for too long, in my opinion.
You're assuming I'm not English, for some reason. Please don't do that. The definition I have posted is considered 'Standard English'. This is the yard-stick for technically correct English usage. And just because one happens to use '360 turn around' positively doesn't mean that it is technically correct English usage, even if one happens to be born and bred English. For technically correct English one always has to refer back to a standard. Local variations are simply that. All I was pointing out was that technically the idiomatic expression for positive change it a 180-degree turn around. By the same standard a 360-degree turn around is a negative outcome from well-meaning changes to something. That is all. Can those who were participating in this discussion please get back to the matter at hand now. If there are still concerns about what I've written I invite you to start a fresh thread on it. I will no longer post language semantics in this thread as it is off-topic from the OP and has gone on for too long, in my opinion.
friend dont take this personally. but calm down your'e arguing a point about culture! be it a different country or different county. which if your English friend i am from Shropshire. i am only assuming you are not living in England as, like i say where i live that is considered a phrase! maybe where you are from it isn't. i'm fine witht hat friend and i dont think you are wrong. I just think that you are failing to see what the poster was trying to say.
Being all technical and amending others grammar friend is your perogative.
But just wandering, if my buisness is completely failing and i do a "comlete 360 turnaround" does that mean i make it even worse lol?
But ye i can see you are never going to understand where the poster was coming from so i suggest we both stick to our cultures, as i am just having a bit of fun here cultures are different where ever you go friend and i accept that. Just wish you could too!
I understand entirely where the poster was coming from. I was merely pointing out that his turn of phrase was inaccurate. Whether I am English or not, the point remains. In Standard English, the idiomatic expression is correctly used as I have pointed out. I feel I have made this clear. Your continued inability to grasp the point is concerning. Oh and I am entirely calm and not the slightest bit riled.
Take some time to read over what I have written and consider the points I have made. I am confident that given time you will see my point of view and at least grant that on technical grounds concerning the correct use of Standard English (something we all need to be able to use well in order to make ourselves easily understood) my point stands.
Guys/grils etc. why use a technical term for a phrase someone used on a forum? seriously, why? this is a forum not an english lesson lol people dont speak with proper grammer. And agree with it or not, a lot of people probably understood what the poster was saying straight from the off.....so what really is the problem.
To the guy above. I'm the one who said i have technical background mate not the poster who made the comment i was just pointing out it's a cultural thing, which people should be able to understand maybe different from thier own, that's all.
So ill just agree, your'e correct. technically he was wrong
So how many people are actually playing DF? and how many do they need to survive lol?
( lol= lots of laugh's to some. to others it could mean loads of laugh's or lots of laughter...not sure which is technically correct and dont want to go into it either )
Bro, if you can buy the game and play it, then it's not Vaporware, it's tangable! Vaporware means it doesn't truely exist and is more of an idea or a project unseen by others... thus a rumor or vaporware.
That's idiotic. How can something that's digital be tangible? Tangible = physical. Anyway, Darkfall is vaporware because the game people were excited about for years is not this game. The game that was advertised was filled with features this game does not have, and the experiences that players were promised would be seeing are not part of this game. Darkfall, as we've been led to believe, does not exist.
Dude, use some common sense... if Darkfall was a box sale, the product itself would be tangable. I'm sure that wasn't lost in my post. You are just nit-picking. As we both know you can't physically touch Darkfall...
Secondly, Darkfall in all it's pathetic glory is still playable, thus it is not "vaporware", period!
Though, I would say that Tasos's idea of what Darkfall is conceptually suppose to be, is non-existant, or his promis was nothing but vapor. But lies, no matter how well spoken are just lies, the product exist, just not in the context in which we wish it did.
Original Idea of Darkfall = Vapor (ie: non-existant)... that much I'll give anyone.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
Glad to see it was nothing personal and you kept your'e sense of humour Salute!
Shall we let people get back to their discussion now?
Na this is more fun. can you explain sandwhich to me? i never got how they could put two words together and come up with, two pieces of bread with stuffing inside?
damn it i have really lost where the thread was going now....sorry everyone! just having one of those days at work!
Vaporware isn't just a term to describe software that never makes it to release. It is used to describe software that isn't released to expectation or that isn't released in the state that is promised.
exactly. the term vaporware does not have to have ANYTHING to do with a game having a retail release.
the problem, is that people believe "words" can only have the one tiny, confined definition which suits THEM. they then ignore all other definitions. so in "their mind" they are correct, because only the one definition exists (for them).
now, if there were 18,000 concurrent players on darkfall's single server; then, i would be a bit impressed. not terribly impressed, since eve is now up to a bit over 50,000 concurrent players AND if a big battle happens in one part of new eden; then, people on the opposite end are NOT lagged (actually, people in the neighboring system aren't lagged). unlike, seemingly, server wide lag on darkfall, when just a few hundred folk are involved in a handful (or less) semi-simultaneous sieges.
like i've said -- if darkfall were able to deliver on just MOST of the features they've touted all these years -- it would be an entirely different game. the game, as is, is light years away from the game that has been hyped for the past decade.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Vaporware isn't just a term to describe software that never makes it to release. It is used to describe software that isn't released to expectation or that isn't released in the state that is promised.
You might want to re-phrase that to "released in a state nowhere close to promised" so we don't have to hear DF fanboys spouting drivel like "every MMO is vaporware by that definition".
Have to agree! a lot of forum arguments come down to labelling and how people interpret those labels. I'm hardcore, i'm carebear, this game is a grind, this game is themepark, this game is vapourware ( sorry for my spelling of vapour...im from England ) whatever happened to games where we could use our imagination....old EQ you had to use it or the game was boring.
Have we advanced to far forward that we dont play "army" with sticks in the street anymore, pretending they are guns? I have never watched my son climb a tree and make a treehouse....those things were all we had when i was young!
Crap, i am letting on how old i am now..time to stop!
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I think your intent was that Aventurine has an opportunity to turn their game around 180 degrees.
If they turn it around 360 degrees they'll have gone in a complete circle leaving them facing in the exact direction they're facing now.
That's idiotic. How can something that's digital be tangible? Tangible = physical. Anyway, Darkfall is vaporware because the game people were excited about for years is not this game. The game that was advertised was filled with features this game does not have, and the experiences that players were promised would be seeing are not part of this game. Darkfall, as we've been led to believe, does not exist.
Sarcasm meter broken?
Turning around 360 is a figure of speach..relating to a complete turnaround..as in change of fortunes! surely you have heard of that one before friend? But just in case you seriously havent, i think that is what he meant by 360
Turning around 360 is a figure of speach..relating to a complete turnaround..as in change of fortunes! surely you have heard of that one before friend? But just in case you seriously havent, i think that is what he meant by 360
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/turn_around
Just pointing out that a 360 turn around is not a good thing in standard English usage ...
Turning around 360 is a figure of speach..relating to a complete turnaround..as in change of fortunes! surely you have heard of that one before friend? But just in case you seriously havent, i think that is what he meant by 360
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/turn_around
Just pointing out that a 360 turn around is not a good thing in standard English usage ...
What relevance does that have? friend i am an engineering techncian, i know what it means technically. But more than that i also have common sense and can easily see that the poster meant it in a figure of speech way. Serioulsy friend you dont really think the poster was talking technically do you? i mean the fact that you digged that out shows your'e above average at least so surely you can see throught that lol. then again i am from England, it may just be an English term, and if so then i apologise.
In England saying something has done a 360 means it has turned around completely...as in if a game if failing...it suddenly becomes profitable and succesful. If a Football team wins the first 20 games, it loses the next 10. so it can mean good or bad friend.
No I don't think he was using the technically correct usage of the expression. Clearly by context he meant it to be a 180 degree turn-around. I pointed this out to give an opportunity to learn and improve personal English usage in future. It was not a personal attack on anybody nor a comment about the game discussed, merely an observation from an outsider that perhaps the English used was not entirely technically correct according to standard English usage.
I proferred it simply to point out that the expression used in its initial context was incorrect and perhaps if one wishes to use the expression in future one should think about what that expression actually means in order to be more clearly understood. No more than that.
Edit: I would just like to point out for the benefit of the previous poster that I posted my response because the figure of speech is a 180 degree turn around. I refer said poster to definitions '8' and '9' of the linked page.
8 (idiomatic, buzzword, with "180 degrees") To effect a positive reversal.
9 (idiomatic, buzzword, with "360 degrees") To make a situation worse by trying to make it better.
Also edited for spelling and grammar
2ns Edit: Ultimately, it's not important since in context he was clearly understood. However people were nit-picking so I thought I'd offer the correct English usage should one consider using it in future.
Not meaning any personal attack either friend. i just think maybe where we are both from has a different term. Where i am from the term is said this way " a complete 360 turnaround" maybe where you are from it is said as in " a 180 turnaround"
When you say he didnt use the correct technical term. My point was he wasn't using any technical term at all but rather meant it just as a figure of speech
i see your'e reference but thats not what it means here in old blighty friend, and i think the poster meant it in those terms. if you said over here that someone turned it around 180, they would think you managed to turn it around half way. if you say 360 they think you turned it around completely, as in for good to bad or vice versa! Thinking about it technically it is wrong you are right, but most figures of speech dont make sense do they 
Ever heard of the saying " if i dont see you tomorow, ill see you through the window" it means i will see you around, but does it make sense? not at all
To your'e technical thinking, the term is wrong, but to an englishman ( maybe even others not sure of other counties interpretations ) he is right! and we can't really argue about different cultures friend as to ours your way is wrong also
My point is he meant it in a way, you see it in a different way. That's all 
I dunno, i find this game to be strangely addicting. The aiming makes even the most mundane 'grind' fights fun. I see other players around all the time compared say, *cough* warhammer. So even with a low sub count, as some of you speculate, the game is not devoid of life. There are certain problems with the game, mainly with cheaters. When they do open a NA server, i am hoping that they have figured out a good way to prevent it. AND no char. xfers!
Also, after owning a g15 for quite sometime, this game has motivated me into learning how to use it. LoL, i dunno if that's a good thing or not.
This is the first game in a while that has brougt a sense of genuine 'fun' feel when u play an mmo. After reading some of your opinionated posts, i'm not too sure how many of you have actually tried the game. If your trashtalking n havent tried it, well, your just a big fat hypocrite. But i will have to agree that they may have not marketed the game like they should and making people pay to beta test the game. Maybe if they would just come out and say it? I shall remain opimistic about the game, b/c it is fun, and hope they figure out the best path to take.
You're assuming I'm not English, for some reason. Please don't do that. The definition I have posted is considered 'Standard English'. This is the yard-stick for technically correct English usage. And just because one happens to use '360 turn around' positively doesn't mean that it is technically correct English usage, even if one happens to be born and bred English. For technically correct English one always has to refer back to a standard. Local variations are simply that. All I was pointing out was that technically the idiomatic expression for positive change is a 180-degree turn around. By the same standard a 360-degree turn around is a negative outcome from well-meaning changes to something. That is all.
Can those who were participating in this discussion please get back to the matter at hand now? If there are still concerns about what I've written I invite you to start a fresh thread on it. I will no longer post language semantics in this thread as it is off-topic from the OP and has gone on for too long, in my opinion.
Edited for punctuation and paragraphing.
friend dont take this personally. but calm down your'e arguing a point about culture! be it a different country or different county. which if your English friend i am from Shropshire. i am only assuming you are not living in England as, like i say where i live that is considered a phrase! maybe where you are from it isn't. i'm fine witht hat friend and i dont think you are wrong. I just think that you are failing to see what the poster was trying to say.
Being all technical and amending others grammar friend is your perogative.
But just wandering, if my buisness is completely failing and i do a "comlete 360 turnaround" does that mean i make it even worse lol?
But ye i can see you are never going to understand where the poster was coming from so i suggest we both stick to our cultures, as i am just having a bit of fun here
cultures are different where ever you go friend and i accept that. Just wish you could too!
I understand entirely where the poster was coming from. I was merely pointing out that his turn of phrase was inaccurate. Whether I am English or not, the point remains. In Standard English, the idiomatic expression is correctly used as I have pointed out. I feel I have made this clear. Your continued inability to grasp the point is concerning. Oh and I am entirely calm and not the slightest bit riled.
Take some time to read over what I have written and consider the points I have made. I am confident that given time you will see my point of view and at least grant that on technical grounds concerning the correct use of Standard English (something we all need to be able to use well in order to make ourselves easily understood) my point stands.
Making a turnaround and making a 360 turn is not the same thing. If you're supposed to have technical background, then use the correct terms.
I bought this game a few weeks ago.
I hate it so much it's not even funny. My money
Oh my god.
Has Forumfall really been reduced to this? Nit-picking over semantics and colloquialisms?
Sad, so sad...
Guys/grils etc. why use a technical term for a phrase someone used on a forum? seriously, why? this is a forum not an english lesson lol people dont speak with proper grammer. And agree with it or not, a lot of people probably understood what the poster was saying straight from the off.....so what really is the problem.
To the guy above. I'm the one who said i have technical background mate not the poster who made the comment
i was just pointing out it's a cultural thing, which people should be able to understand maybe different from thier own, that's all.
So ill just agree, your'e correct. technically he was wrong
So how many people are actually playing DF? and how many do they need to survive lol?
( lol= lots of laugh's to some. to others it could mean loads of laugh's or lots of laughter...not sure which is technically correct and dont want to go into it either
)
That's idiotic. How can something that's digital be tangible? Tangible = physical. Anyway, Darkfall is vaporware because the game people were excited about for years is not this game. The game that was advertised was filled with features this game does not have, and the experiences that players were promised would be seeing are not part of this game. Darkfall, as we've been led to believe, does not exist.
Dude, use some common sense... if Darkfall was a box sale, the product itself would be tangable. I'm sure that wasn't lost in my post. You are just nit-picking. As we both know you can't physically touch Darkfall...
Secondly, Darkfall in all it's pathetic glory is still playable, thus it is not "vaporware", period!
Though, I would say that Tasos's idea of what Darkfall is conceptually suppose to be, is non-existant, or his promis was nothing but vapor. But lies, no matter how well spoken are just lies, the product exist, just not in the context in which we wish it did.
Original Idea of Darkfall = Vapor (ie: non-existant)... that much I'll give anyone.
"No they are not charity. That is where the whales come in. (I play for free. Whales pays.) Devs get a business. That is how it works."
-Nariusseldon
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Sorry, I had to ...
High five ive been slapped
Glad to see it was nothing personal and you kept your'e sense of humour
Salute!
High five ive been slapped
Glad to see it was nothing personal and you kept your'e sense of humour
Salute!
High five ive been slapped
Glad to see it was nothing personal and you kept your'e sense of humour
Salute!
Na this is more fun. can you explain sandwhich to me? i never got how they could put two words together and come up with, two pieces of bread with stuffing inside?
damn it i have really lost where the thread was going now....sorry everyone! just having one of those days at work!
Vaporware isn't just a term to describe software that never makes it to release.
It is used to describe software that isn't released to expectation or that isn't released in the state that is promised.
exactly. the term vaporware does not have to have ANYTHING to do with a game having a retail release.
the problem, is that people believe "words" can only have the one tiny, confined definition which suits THEM. they then ignore all other definitions. so in "their mind" they are correct, because only the one definition exists (for them).
now, if there were 18,000 concurrent players on darkfall's single server; then, i would be a bit impressed. not terribly impressed, since eve is now up to a bit over 50,000 concurrent players AND if a big battle happens in one part of new eden; then, people on the opposite end are NOT lagged (actually, people in the neighboring system aren't lagged). unlike, seemingly, server wide lag on darkfall, when just a few hundred folk are involved in a handful (or less) semi-simultaneous sieges.
like i've said -- if darkfall were able to deliver on just MOST of the features they've touted all these years -- it would be an entirely different game. the game, as is, is light years away from the game that has been hyped for the past decade.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
You might want to re-phrase that to "released in a state nowhere close to promised" so we don't have to hear DF fanboys spouting drivel like "every MMO is vaporware by that definition".
Have to agree! a lot of forum arguments come down to labelling and how people interpret those labels. I'm hardcore, i'm carebear, this game is a grind, this game is themepark, this game is vapourware ( sorry for my spelling of vapour...im from England
) whatever happened to games where we could use our imagination....old EQ you had to use it or the game was boring.
Have we advanced to far forward that we dont play "army" with sticks in the street anymore, pretending they are guns? I have never watched my son climb a tree and make a treehouse....those things were all we had when i was young!
Crap, i am letting on how old i am now..time to stop!