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What would you like to see changed/kept the same from FFXI?

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  • andrewclearandrewclear Member Posts: 40
    Originally posted by mrkyleonline


    I thought I would add that I think NMs should make a return.  They were a lot of fun and my Bro and I bonded a lot hunting them.  People hate on them but you can't make everyone happy!
    Maybe if they made the NMs instance based that would make them easier on casual players.  That way you don't have to camp one for hours on end, hoping for a claim!

     

    Some people like NM's, some don't.  With that being said, SE shouldn't instance them for lazy foggots who think they deserve everything that everyone has.  If you want the item, camp the NM.  I've played FFXI since 2004, and I have hardly ever fought regular nms (I fight HNM's now cause my LS does, but I don't really camp them).  

    NM's are on a timer to limit the amount of drops it will produce and let into the world.  Killing an nm, is supposed to net some nice/rare armor.  Sure, some of the lower level NM's this isn't the case, but some of the higher ones it is.  

    I don't have an emp pin, or lizzie boots, etc, cause I am a lazy faggot who doesn't care.  I believe the ppl who camped them deserve to be the few that have them (or the few that made some good gilz selling them).

    I did, however have to camp that ying yang robe NM....that was a pain in the ass, with all that competition.  But, I love my YYR, and it was worth the 25+ days it took me to get it.

  • WSIMikeWSIMike Member Posts: 5,564
    Originally posted by ic0n67

    Originally posted by mrkyleonline


    I thought I would add that I think NMs should make a return.  They were a lot of fun and my Bro and I bonded a lot hunting them.  People hate on them but you can't make everyone happy!
    Maybe if they made the NMs instance based that would make them easier on casual players.  That way you don't have to camp one for hours on end, hoping for a claim!

     

    I am 0 for fuckilostcount on Leaping Lizzy's shoes. I am torn in reguards to NMs. I don't have hours and hours to spend camping things anymore and I can't stay focused enough to actaully do it if I did have the time. I'd like to have items be exculsive so you don't have person X camping nonstop and just reselling, but I'd like so be able to buy them for when I have enough money and I give up on camping. I'd like like to see the drop rates increase by a lot, but I don't want to see the market become flooded with things that peoepl eventually don't ever want.

    It is a hard balancing act and glad i'm not making the decision.



    "fuckilostcount" .... is that in base ten?



    That said...

    I hope they do keep rare mobs in the game.. It adds a sense of, I dunno... "mystique"? to the world. Something unknown that the player(s) have to discover for themselves. I'd love to see NMs actually be a bit more "unique" in that, their appearance is more different than just being larger than a normal mob of their type. Maybe slightly different coloration... something to set them apart. Also, I hope they spawn over a wider area, not just in one little pocket of a given area.



    That said.... as for what loot they drop...

    I think the drops should make hunting them worthwhile and the stats should be suitable to the effort required to acquire it. They should def. be rare/ex (no need to wonder if RMT will bot/monopolize the NMs to control the market on the items; we already learned that from FFXI). However, in response to those who might say "yeah but that's not fair, I dont' want to, or don't have the time to spend camping those for that item"... Well... then perhaps you weren't meant to get it?



    I'm in the same boat.. I don't have any interest in camping Leaping Lizzy, or VE, or Argus, etc. etc. I'd rather spend the time doing other things. However, I don't think that means leaping boots should be any easier to get. I also don't think they're "necessary" for me to play or enjoy the game. They're the reward for those willing to put in that time to acquire it. A "trophy item"; not a required one. That's how I see them. I dunno... the whole "it shouldn't be as difficult to get the items because I can't or don't want to camp them", or "I don't enjoy hunting them, so they shouldn't be in the game", just seems a bit self-centered to me. The game is not all about "me" or "you" or any one other person. Because I'm not willing to spend the time camping a NM doesn't mean others who are shouldn't be rewarded for it. Just kinda rings of "gear envy" to me. -shrug-



    But anyway... my two cents.

    "If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road,
    and the cash shop selling asphalt..."
    - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops

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  • andrewclearandrewclear Member Posts: 40
    Originally posted by WSIMike

    Originally posted by ic0n67

    Originally posted by mrkyleonline


    I thought I would add that I think NMs should make a return.  They were a lot of fun and my Bro and I bonded a lot hunting them.  People hate on them but you can't make everyone happy!
    Maybe if they made the NMs instance based that would make them easier on casual players.  That way you don't have to camp one for hours on end, hoping for a claim!

     

    I am 0 for fuckilostcount on Leaping Lizzy's shoes. I am torn in reguards to NMs. I don't have hours and hours to spend camping things anymore and I can't stay focused enough to actaully do it if I did have the time. I'd like to have items be exculsive so you don't have person X camping nonstop and just reselling, but I'd like so be able to buy them for when I have enough money and I give up on camping. I'd like like to see the drop rates increase by a lot, but I don't want to see the market become flooded with things that peoepl eventually don't ever want.

    It is a hard balancing act and glad i'm not making the decision.



    "fuckilostcount" .... is that in base ten?



    That said...

    I hope they do keep rare mobs in the game.. It adds a sense of, I dunno... "mystique"? to the world. Something unknown that the player(s) have to discover for themselves. I'd love to see NMs actually be a bit more "unique" in that, their appearance is more different than just being larger than a normal mob of their type. Maybe slightly different coloration... something to set them apart. Also, I hope they spawn over a wider area, not just in one little pocket of a given area.



    That said.... as for what loot they drop...

    I think the drops should make hunting them worthwhile and the stats should be suitable to the effort required to acquire it. They should def. be rare/ex (no need to wonder if RMT will bot/monopolize the NMs to control the market on the items; we already learned that from FFXI). However, in response to those who might say "yeah but that's not fair, I dont' want to, or don't have the time to spend camping those for that item"... Well... then perhaps you weren't meant to get it?



    I'm in the same boat.. I don't have any interest in camping Leaping Lizzy, or VE, or Argus, etc. etc. I'd rather spend the time doing other things. However, I don't think that means leaping boots should be any easier to get. I also don't think they're "necessary" for me to play or enjoy the game. They're the reward for those willing to put in that time to acquire it. A "trophy item"; not a required one. That's how I see them. I dunno... the whole "it shouldn't be as difficult to get the items because I can't or don't want to camp them", or "I don't enjoy hunting them, so they shouldn't be in the game", just seems a bit self-centered to me. The game is not all about "me" or "you" or any one other person. Because I'm not willing to spend the time camping a NM doesn't mean others who are shouldn't be rewarded for it. Just kinda rings of "gear envy" to me. -shrug-



    But anyway... my two cents.



     

    100 percent agree.

  • Storm.Storm. Member UncommonPosts: 256

    PC Friendly UI -  Scrap that horrible UI.

    Make movement more precise - was sluggish and unresponsive in XI

    More unique looking armor - everyone looked identical in XI.

    An actual auction house - the bazaar was TERRIBLE.

    Job flexibility - No way the summoner should have been treated the way it was.  Why couldn't I be a black mage/summoner and be accepted?  I didn't want to play a white mage.

    Prevent releveling through the same drab zones

    Better zone design - they looked nice but make them look fantastic

    Make the game exciting

    More diversity in monsters

    progression through solo play for all classes, but group play still the primary target

    Minigames! ala in game tetra master

    larger inventory

    equipment that stands out more stat wise

    I would like to see a monthly evolving story

  • andrewclearandrewclear Member Posts: 40
    Originally posted by Storm.


    PC Friendly UI -  Scrap that horrible UI.
    Make movement more precise - was sluggish and unresponsive in XI
    More unique looking armor - everyone looked identical in XI.
    An actual auction house - the bazaar was TERRIBLE.
    Job flexibility - No way the summoner should have been treated the way it was.  Why couldn't I be a black mage/summoner and be accepted?  I didn't want to play a white mage.
    Prevent releveling through the same drab zones
    Better zone design - they looked nice but make them look fantastic
    Make the game exciting
    More diversity in monsters
    progression through solo play for all classes, but group play still the primary target
    Minigames! ala in game tetra master
    larger inventory
    equipment that stands out more stat wise
    I would like to see a monthly evolving story

     

    A better AH yes, but the bazaar system is actually a good system.  I hope they keep both aspects again.

    On the minigame front, I wish they would've made Chocobo Racing in FFXI, more of an actual racing experience.  That would've been awesome if they would've made that a competitive racing simulation with head to head vs players.

    I don't know how long you played FFXI, but, everyone doesn't quite look the same the higer you get.  Sure, armor variety is nice, but it's not the end all be all.  The more time they spend in desiging armor, the less time they spend in other areas, so, be careful what you ask for.  

    Same drab zones...lol.  With 20 jobs, you can't make a different zone for every level tier, for every distinct zone, in a detailed 3D setting.  That would take an exceptional amount of time, and resources.  You ask alot.

    And finally, the stat boosts, while small in ffxi, is much better than huge chunks.  Don't need the game to turn into an arms race, or that the equipment makes the player, not the skill.  Plus, with smaller stat boosts, endgame can still be more balanced, than, say in WoW.

     

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090
    Originally posted by Storm.



    equipment that stands out more stat wise
     

     

    A +1 or +3 stat in FFXI is similar to a plus {insert an ungodly huge number for no reason here} like other MMOs!  Smaller #s are much better and more manageable.

     

    Like the max HP one can have if I recall if just under 3k and only if you're a Galka...ummm Monk is it!?  When you get to the crazy #s like WoW has; recently landing near 30k for some classes...that's just insane!

  • andrewclearandrewclear Member Posts: 40
    Originally posted by Khrymson

    Originally posted by Storm.



    equipment that stands out more stat wise
     

     

    A +1 or +3 stat in FFXI is similar to a plus {insert an ungodly huge number for no reason here} like other MMOs!  Smaller #s are much better and more manageable.

     

    Like the max HP one can have if I recall if just under 3k and only if you're a Galka...ummm Monk is it!?  When you get to the crazy #s like WoW has; recently landing near 30k for some classes...that's just insane!

     

    Totally agree.  Plus, 400-1k agility, is purely insane as well.  Those high numbers would force the endgame to be segreated by the gear the character has.  He already complained about being segreated by subjob, now he is asking to be segreated by gear as well.  Can't understand that,

  • YauchyYauchy Member UncommonPosts: 298

    - All I need kept is the ability to have one character be all my classes - 1 rep grind is beyond words in time savings.  No alts, just mules = pure win.

    Anything else (for me at least) can change or be tweaked as need be.  Beyond anything I want it to be more player-friendly & unique, and to keep me playing for years & years...My faith in Square is endless :)

  • zaylinzaylin Member UncommonPosts: 794

    ya'll pretty much hit most of the good points to change and dont change. I just hope they dont over hype it, and just expose it, as from my personal expierance anygame that was overly hyped was either a let down OR not a bad game but not what it was hyped to be. I very much enjoyed my time in FF11, the only reason I left was because of the population drop, for me its nice to see areas alive/active in game,and when you log on and theres like no one around, tends to take away FOR ME at least. Cant wait for FF14.

  • andrewclearandrewclear Member Posts: 40
    Originally posted by zaylin


    ya'll pretty much hit most of the good points to change and dont change. I just hope they dont over hype it, and just expose it, as from my personal expierance anygame that was overly hyped was either a let down OR not a bad game but not what it was hyped to be. I very much enjoyed my time in FF11, the only reason I left was because of the population drop, for me its nice to see areas alive/active in game,and when you log on and theres like no one around, tends to take away FOR ME at least. Cant wait for FF14.



     

    Wouldn't actually say that was cause of population drop.  More of, population relocation.  My server used to average around 4k users 24/7, back in 04 (about 6 months after US launch).  Now, the server sports around 2k ppl 24/7.  Sure, half the ppl are gone, but there are still plenty of ppl around.  The lower level zones aren't packed (same with other mmos).  But, some of them are because they still are vital camp sites.  It's nice that it's not overcamped these days.

  • w1ck3dm0nk3yw1ck3dm0nk3y Member Posts: 2

    WoW SE is seriously stupid in the head, they ruined FFXI by introducing solo into a PARTY based grind game...that completely %^$^$^$%#$ up the ENTIRE leveling point..

     

    now if they get rid of solo in XIV, it'll be like FFXI before it was ruined, but a bunch of WoW Q.Q nubs will be crying their eyes out and slitting their wrists b/c you cant solo in a party game.

     

    keep: almost everything

    add in: maybe some quests for minor exp/gil?

    trash: Fields of Valor or at least take away the exp bonus from solo

  • chrismochrismo Member Posts: 19

    a better quest system an among other things

    peace out

  • RyonoxRyonox Member UncommonPosts: 64
    Originally posted by chrismo


    a better quest system an among other things

     

    if your referring to the lack of information on what to do, then yes. Without sites like killingifrit or allakhazam many of the quests are near impossible to figure out unless you randomly stumble into them. Some of them are quite simple though, for example the yag necklace quest XD.

  • ZorakGhostalZorakGhostal Member Posts: 122

    #1 Change  absolutely has to be that horrid, most awful ever, couldn't possibly be any worse, "UI". Does it even qualify as a UI anymore??? If SE had at any point decided to improve the UI I would have a sub right now, no doubt.

    #2 Change would be making it more "player friendly". The 40min runs from one town to the next, likey to die and have to try again, or grinding gil just to gain 5, OMG FIVE! more bag slots, only one word for it, sadistic.

    I've no doubt that SE will make those changes anyways, but I absolutely don't want them to "wowify" it anymore then that.

    Must keep it a group based game, there are way more then enough soloable games out there where you can get away with being anti-social or just a plain ahole to everyone you meet, FF is different and it's different because of the fundamental mechanics of the game that basically force people to be nice to each other to progress. If SE doesn't understand this or alters FFXIV in a way that doesn't maintain this game defining feature I'm going to be more then a little sad... IMO beastmaster is plenty enough soloability for an FF mmo.

    Keep NMs. Adds plenty of excitment and another dimension to the game. I know that it also creates some issues with bots/gil sellers and so forth but lets not axe a FUN part of the game and instead work on ways to stop the bots or other creative ways of allowing everyone to get their shot; say something like limits on how many times a single player can claim a certain mob in a period of time.

  • NeosaiNeosai Member Posts: 401

    However, Japanese society are masochistic.  So a sadistic design really suits them just fine.  LOL

    Well I suppose there are enough masochistic people that love this game including me.  If FFXI was easier it just wouldn't be as good, it is sad but rather true.

    As to what I want to see changed or kept, I don't really care.  I view each game as individuals, not sequels or the so called "clones" which doesn't even exist logically speaking.

    As I always believe, you gotta play it know if you like it when it comes to games.

  • neKrowneKrow Member UncommonPosts: 170
    Originally posted by andrewclear 
    They changed a lot since you played.  Treasures of Aht Urghan... *snip*



     

    Thank you for that post! I am starting up FFXI again. Mainly to get my girlfriend some background so we can try out FFXIV next year. Your post was a great summary for me of new things to look for!

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  • neKrowneKrow Member UncommonPosts: 170

    CHANGE

    • Full voice acting (yeah I know its not going to happen)
    • Can FFXIV please not crash when exiting full screen? Why does FFXI still do this?

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  • Proximo521Proximo521 Member UncommonPosts: 283
    Originally posted by neKrow


    CHANGE

    Full voice acting (yeah I know its not going to happen)
    Can FFXIV please not crash when exiting full screen? Why does FFXI still do this?



     

    Cause of stupid a$$ Playonline........

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  • TehutiTehuti Member CommonPosts: 8

    One thing I would like to see changed is the item/inventory system. In FFXI, you ended up with a lot of stuff you needed to hold on to. So much stuff that it forced most to make mules just to hold on to all of it. That was made worse by the fact that each new character you made cost you money. Personally, I think they planned it that way which I find somewhat devious.

    The ability to expand my inventory/item slots as much as I want is what I want to see. Be by quests rewards and/or by game money. You could even craft your own backpacks...that would end the gobbies' monopoly in the bag business.

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090
    Originally posted by Proximo521

    Originally posted by neKrow


    CHANGE

    Full voice acting (yeah I know its not going to happen)
    Can FFXIV please not crash when exiting full screen? Why does FFXI still do this?



     

    Cause of stupid a$$ Playonline........

     

    Because of players that don't keep up with release notes, and realize that FFXI doesn't do that anymore if you play in Windowed Mode, or use the Windower Program!  This hasn't been an issue for over 4 years.

  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,495

    I definitely want the real traveling with traveling times aboard airships, boats, etc.  I really liked that aspect of FFXI.  Travel times made it feel a lot more like a real world.

  • chaosshogichaosshogi Member Posts: 1

    I think an easier questing system is in order ( knowing where to go next and who to talk to). Also I would like to see the loading between world and towns (buildings?) to be removed. I played on the ps2 and then the 360 and neither had a good UI system, I think a personalized UI wouldn't be to much to ask for.

  • Absolute0Absolute0 Member Posts: 6

    KEEP THE PARTY SYSTEM AND GREAT COMMUNITY FEEL!



    Best part of the game right there.



    But change the ridiculous amount of time needed to get a party together, ie traveling or finding specific jobs.

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150
    Originally posted by Absolute0


    KEEP THE PARTY SYSTEM AND GREAT COMMUNITY FEEL!



    Best part of the game right there.



    But change the ridiculous amount of time needed to get a party together, ie traveling or finding specific jobs.

     

    I agree the one thing thing id like to see changed is making it easier to get an xp pt together. I honestly dont know how to do that though. Its easy for us to sit back and say stuff like this but getting it implemented is tricky.

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090

    There are so many responses of "change the ridiculous amount of time to make a party"  how long has it been since any of you have played or have you even played and are just copying what others have told you.

     

    Even before the Level Sync it wasn't hard to ask other players to make a party, if you just stood there with seek on and waited for them to contact you then thats your fault!  You could still ask anyone regardless of lvl if they had a job around the party lvl you had going, too see if they were willing to play it again...you'd of been surprised how many decided too switch over to a job they thought wouldn't get played again.

     

    You also can't blame the language barrier, even though it could use a heavy update to make it easier to use with better options, it functioned well and worked.  There are also countless Romaji sites that give you tons of ways to communicate with the JP players...most of whom are very patience and understood that you were trying to communicate with them and praised you for trying!

     

     

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