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Hydroblunt
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Blizzard launches Vanilla WoW servers.
I haven't logged in 1.5 weeks. In fact, since resubbing last month, I only logged in about 5 times. Just lacking the interest I once had and my gametime goes toward Eve and Aion betas. Don't know why I even re-subbed. I shrugged off WotLK originally as a bad xpac and after trying it, I'm just not impressed, only bored by it.
I noticed a growing request for vanilla servers on the official forums. Blizzard needs to wake up and realize that the direction they have taken the game is backfiring on them. There is no strong loyal userbase like there once was.
Who is with me? Who would come back to WoW if they launched Vanilla servers?
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Not I, but vanilla WoW was better.
doubt we will ever see vanillia servers. But in the next patch you have the option to turn off experience gains, so in effect you can turn it off when you reach 60, no doubt there will be a few guilds who will take advantage of this.
was it realy better? or did it just feel better because wow was newer to you back then?
was it realy better? or did it just feel better because wow was newer to you back then?
Probably both. I miss world PvP. I felt like I accomplished something when I got my level 60 mount. The community was a lot better back then, less elitist. There is more, but it really doesn't matter lol, someone will disagree with me.
was it realy better? or did it just feel better because wow was newer to you back then?
Vanilla WoW had its problems no doubt. I think a lot of the changes in TBC were needed. I personally think 40 man raids are absurd, too time consuming in preparation & actual raid. 25 man is a good number.
But simply to illustrate, take a look at Scholo, BRD & Strat. Epic instances and not even 40 mans, they are 5-10 mans. Take a look at most of instances in Vanilla WoW, they all stood out and had their own touch. In TBC and WotLK, moreso in the last xpac, the instances are bland, built very simple & generic.
I never got a chance to fully experience endgame in vanilla WoW but I was having a blast when I was starting it. Wasn't the same in TBC and as for WotLK, I'm not even interested.
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Turning off XP won't work, just read the threads on the official forums. Talents are messed up, so is the economy, class changes, DKtards, etc. Higher level players can interfere & mess with vanilla WoW guilds.
It has to be its own server to work properly.
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As somebody who has been hoping for a Classic EQ server the past five years, I wish you luck. But it can be "a long wait for a train don't come," as Malcolm Reynolds might say.
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Kind of along the lines of a pre-NGE server isn't it? hehe. I think the real problem is that if you've been playing since pre-TBC then you are just burnt out. God knows I am. I only keep my sub going because my wife needs my help every now and then.
The game has changed, no doubt, but they still have killer sub numbers and not everyone feels the way you, I, or others might. I don't think a company will ever setup a pre-anything server, it would be admitting that they did something wrong.
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I agree. I think there will be a lot of guilds out there who will focus solely on level 60 content.
The guild will have to be tough on the rules.... either set the level limit at 60 or not allow anyone above 60 to go.
There are some guilds but it does not work for the reasons I mentioned. The economy is screwed and other players interfere, especially 80s camping them.
Might work with a private server, you would only have to deal with the talent & ability changes. Also, vanilla has been uber-nerfed.
I think Blizzard would actually get a nice chunk of subs fi they rolled out a few vanilla servers. It would also require a new account.
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I agree. I think there will be a lot of guilds out there who will focus solely on level 60 content.
The guild will have to be tough on the rules.... either set the level limit at 60 or not allow anyone above 60 to go.
There are some guilds but it does not work for the reasons I mentioned. The economy is screwed and other players interfere, especially 80s camping them.
Might work with a private server, you would only have to deal with the talent & ability changes. Also, vanilla has been uber-nerfed.
I think Blizzard would actually get a nice chunk of subs fi they rolled out a few vanilla servers. It would also require a new account.
Projecting much?
I liked vanilla WoW but looking back at it the raids weren't any harder then they are now they were just a ton more time consuming. The only real challenge was leading a competant raid of 40 individuals who more or less did their own thing instead of following orders. Thats what made raids back then seem harder.
I agree. I think there will be a lot of guilds out there who will focus solely on level 60 content.
The guild will have to be tough on the rules.... either set the level limit at 60 or not allow anyone above 60 to go.
There are some guilds but it does not work for the reasons I mentioned. The economy is screwed and other players interfere, especially 80s camping them.
Might work with a private server, you would only have to deal with the talent & ability changes. Also, vanilla has been uber-nerfed.
I think Blizzard would actually get a nice chunk of subs fi they rolled out a few vanilla servers. It would also require a new account.
Projecting much?
Uhm what?
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*Hint*
You don't gain XP in raids. (at least you USED to not gain XP when in a raid)
Just like you can't turn in quests while in a raid.
You could run level 60 raids with 40 people every day for years and never gain a drop of XP.
Roll alts, once you get to 60 do nothing but crafting and dungeon runs 55-60 for gear, then just start raiding. Once you gear up from Tier 1, move on to Tier 2 etc....
Once you have finished all the Vanilla stuff, level up to 70 and do it all over again.
Or just stay at 60 and enjoy MC/BWL/AQ20/AQ40/Onyxia till your eyes bleed.
Or if you are just feeling nostolgic, take your uber level 80 and go solo or 2-3 man these raids/instances. It's still fun trust me.
Don't let your hopes down. They also said faction changes would never happen....
Not only that, but even if there was a Vanilla Server, I HIGHLY doubt you will get as much joy playing on it as you did back in the day..
What they need to do is open a non-transfer server. So everyone will have to restart on it instead of raiding guild flooding it..
I should work for Blizzard. lol
Is it really that hard to understand why the players who want to play original WoW want their own server and not one mixed up with the expansions? You could try reading my comments on the topic, which I have made more than once.
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Is it really that hard to understand why the players who want to play original WoW want their own server and not one mixed up with the expansions? You could try reading my comments on the topic, which I have made more than once.
classic/vanilla servers would be about the only thing that would get me to return to wow now . the thing is if your max level is only ever going to be 60 you have to really work at getting decent gear ( so it would make sence not to have it easy to obtain on such servers ) . WoW was a lot of fun before tbc although i did quite enjoy that expansion but wrath of the lich king is what killed this game for me along with blizzard making the game a lot more easy .
1) You do get XP in raids. Just heavily discounted. I dinged 80 by killing the Illidari Council in BT (340 XP iirc).
2) Blizzard devs have said on multiple occasions that they will never open Vanilla servers. They want WoW to move forward, and not be stuck in the past, roughly put.
3) Blizzard are not interested in putting in work which will only serve the minority of their customers. If you want proof, go to any RP server. If you think that they will bother working on a vanilla server which will never recieve updates, and ideally would require backups they don't even have (I very much doubt they actually bothered to write down how to enable the Onyxia chain again), try looking at the RP servers. They don't even bother telling their GM's to follow their own rules.
I don't think you can hope for Blizzard to do anything to improve QoL in the game - At least, not for anyone other than the people who want to level to 80 and raid the newest raid instance. They've proven that time and time again, not just in WotLK, this practice started in TBC already, at the very least after 2.3.
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The idea of vanilla servers is appealing because people want to be able to go back to the day when WoW was still fresh and new and exciting. The flaw is of course that even with a vanilla server for the most part all that content is old, dull and boring.
How many people do you see running old raids and instances for anything more than the achievements? And certainly not on level appropriate toons. (LFM for BWL... must be full tier 8 lawl)
Nah, you would get tired of it, WOW has kept such large numbers because it keeps evolving. It does not matter whether you like or dislike how it has evolved, games die if they stay stagnant.
I'd love to play SWG pre-cu again, but I wouldn't nearly play it as much as I did back then, the reason being is that it would be lacking that new feeling.. The only saving grace that a stagnant SWG would have over a stagnant WOW is that SWG was player driven and WOW is not, meaning it could survive on the community aspect.
If WOW had not evolved from vanilla it would most likely be under 500k subs by now and steadily declining.
This game is aimed towards more and more casual players with very limited raid time in the week. People I used to raid in vanilla, TBC and and even in WoTLK have mostly quit. In fact, the wave of people quitting from top raid guilds started in TBC. That happened around Black Temple when they removed attunements.
I probably would not have played WoTLK had there been alternatives in the market. I did enjoy some parts of WoTLK, but once again I ended up quitting largely for the same reasons I left TBC. The game simply is aimed at the different audience. After levelling, the game does not feel like a world, but instanced theme park. There really aren't many incentives to go outside Dalaran. I also miss social aspects that are much better in many other MMOs.
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At this point I would probably only come back if they made more elemental magic available for mages (wind, earth, water, etc) but that isn't going to happen...
Oh also.... maybe if 'open world PvE' raids were an everyday thing and there were tons more of them besides just the main city/one boss raids.
Vanilla servers are a novelty within the WoW community for a while now, the reason why it wont work, its because they would have to change, items mechanics etc... to make it work, gear wise and mechanics wise WoW was so basic, if they did launch it, probably a few people would join it to then get bored and pissed off at the state of raiding and itemization, blizzard is not gonna spend the budget of an expansion revamping vanilla WoW to create vanilla servers, then there is the fact they would have to make money if they did, so what are they going to do , sell a vanilla expansion, people would also not accept that.
What they can do however is change the game for the next expansion, I really do think BC was the peak of WoW and at that point the game was in a good state for both raiders, pvpers, non-raiders, casuals, pink poneys... everyone could play the game and have fun, so what they would have to do in the next expansion is sort of rollback a bit back to the style of play we had in BC, the good thing about blizz expansions so far is that they are self contained areas, once they are done we can call it quits and thats it, Wrath will be a phase in WoW where I think they took it a bit too far, there are good things about it and good lessons learned, Blizz should learn from these lessons and pickup on the good stuff from the expansion (itemization, some mechanics, pvp bgs, etc..) and try and follow the BC model but improve it on the next expansion.
This is also true for vanilla content, they could take it as far as offering content that could be inline with what people that want vanilla servers want, what I mean by this is they could invest a bit more into creating a bit more content or even upgrading the old instances for the people who would like that vanilla feel back, also giving new life to the two original continents which I think its very important.
I think blizz biggest problem (in some aspects not all!) of their expansions is they always tried to make something completely new when they should keep some of the previous expansions mechanics and concepts intact and simply extend it instead of changing it completely or at least still offer the same options along with new options.
They could setup the servers running 1.12.2. You install original WoW and patch it to that.
That problem solved.