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durton
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This game sounds like alot of fun but I hate 1st person view in games, it makes me dizzy. Anyone know ife will be the option to scroll to third person?
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The game has been designed around first person view and Star Vault is not considering third. FPV-only allows for game mechanics that would otherwise not be possible. They also believe that it increases one's sense of immersion and I agree with them.
That said, I too suffer from simulator sickness. It is actually quite common, although usually mild, and there are many things you can do to reduce the effects or even avoid them altogether. Personally, I used to get very intense and long-lasting headaches with nausea after only 5-10 minutes of play with certain games. However, aside from a few games that I can't play for more than an hour or so, I now rarely feel any sickness at all. I won't list all of the precautions or "treatments", but I suggest looking them up. For most people it's just a matter of playing frequently for short sessions despite the sickness in an effort to get your brain used to it. There is also ginger root if you want a quick fix.
Feeling nauseous, is one issue (one that I fourtantely dont have) but another bigger one is that First Person View reduces your field of vision to aprox 70 degrees, compared to the 200-270 degrees that you have in real life. This will make melee combat quite a bad experience, as can be seen when using melee weapons in First Person Shooters.
Third Person view, could however be designed to give you 200-270 degrees view radius so it is simply superior for melee combat.
But anyway, the devs seem deadset to not include 3rd Person View so no sense discussing it I guess. However the game will suffer for it...
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When you have a twitch-based combat system, a third-person view would only obscure your frontal view and thus limit your reactions to parry or launch a well-timed attack.
In addition, you'll be more dependant on your friends to keep your flanks secure, thus encouraging team play, co-ordination, tactics and so on.
Better to be crazy, provided you know what sane is...
First person view is what you want. If you get dizzy you'll probably have to find another game.
Melee, I think works better in first person, and if you've played PvKII or Age of Chivlary you may agree. Third person ruins immersion for me personally and I did not like the running around that was involved in Darkfall.
Nonsence.
Play oblivion, or some oldschool RPG's from the early 90's.
You can see your weapon just fine.
As a poster above me pointed out, FPS view makes it easier to time attacks and parries in a twitch based game. It also provides more immersion for some. I know there are those people that need to see thier character in order to get into to it, but that's not everyone.
FPS games are probably one of the most popular genres out. The CoD series sells millions of copies with each release. To say that a game will suffer for bing FPV is silly. If you don't like that style of game then OK, but you need to keep in mind that there are those of us that actually prefer FPV over 3rd.
The problem with melee weapons in FPS games has nothing to do with the view. It's the game itself. FPS style games that are built upon melee are fine, SHOOTERS aren't that type of game. There is a dif.
He probably did that's why he's complaining ^^. I know oblivion has some faithfull followers but still think most of the people who play rpg feel that 3th person view works best. It allows for a better overview and gives developpers more options for bossfight mechanics.
He probably did that's why he's complaining ^^. I know oblivion has some faithfull followers but still think most of the people who play rpg feel that 3th person view works best. It allows for a better overview and gives developpers more options for bossfight mechanics.
Thats the thing really you can toss all your previous conceptions about Boss fights in MO, if what the developers have said makes it in game, all bosses will be unique (as in he dies, its gone its not gonna respawn) and very hard, "you wont kill a boss 100 times and die 1, you will die 100 times and kill the boss once" straight from the devs, the reason they will be "harder" is that there are deytes (correct me if im wrong on the spelling) which will be GM controlled Gods and bosses, so you can say goodbye to things such as aggro, it will be a person playing behind the boss during these events, so there isnt gonna be a pattern for you to avoid like traditional boss fights.
Takes devs like them to build a really good MMORPG, above the needs of the lazy players.
Hey, as long as I can see my pretty reflection in shimmering lakes it is all good!
agree first person cam sux
(( imo 
( the game looks really good
yeah its definitely a stupid decision on Star vaults part to only allow first person. sure it helps immersion, and for some, gives an extra reason to play this game, but at the end of the day it will only hurt sub numbers. And i have a sinking feeling that if this stubborness carries over to too many aspects of the game, this game will fail miserably.
Dont get me wrong, i love the idea of a company trying to do things their own way in an mmo, but you cant be too hard headed about it or its just going to screw everyone involved; be it devs or players
So far they are just screwing very few people, and those are precisely the ones that don't understand what an MMORPG really is, so they are better off.
And playing an MMO like an RTS sucks.
MO had not been made for everyone. If there is something you dont like, dont hesitate and leave at once.
I never saw an mmorpg in fpv mode. MO will be the 1st focussing on that. So why not? Some may say that FPV is not realistic for them because in real life, we have more abilities with our views, but third person view is in no way more realistic. So the nearest realistic is the fpv.
Like i mentioned, you dont like it, leave. There wont be 2 game like MO anyway, so MO is your last chance for that style in the market. The rest will be just like wow clones. Good luck to find the kind of mmo to play forever. I lose hope on all the other and MO is my last.
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I'm happy they are making it all FP, if there was a third person option then that would be the standard. Nice to see MMOGs making immersion more of a priority in a virtual world. After playing Oblivion and Mount & Blade all I could think about was how coll it would be to make it large scale multiplayer. Even though I may not pick this game up I may eventually. Till then, I hope it does well for those that like this kind of game.
And here this game was looking good, but boy do I hate that motion sickness that prevents me from playing in first person for more then a half hour or so
i feel bad for people who get motion sickness playing fps games.
however in the flood of 3rd person mmo's on the market, is it so bad for a group of players to want a 1st person view?
personally i look forward to it.
I believe, each pre-order box comes with a bottle of gravel pills. Extra $5 a month for monthly refills with subscription. Ya, I think I saw that somewhere, ya.
personally i totaly love FPV
I had a very hard time moving from FPV games to third person , felt like a console game....i hate console games
as to other naysayers....."fail" means exactly what? it wont get wow numbers? that`s a total win in my book (selfish i know , but hey i`m no dev) , all I can say is i would pay a double fee / month for a game that keeps wow players away
maybe i should start a thread? from a player PoV (not dev) , do you want your game to have as many players as possible?
I don't mind FPV but it's not what I would play with given a choice between it or TPV.
FPV still needs to be worked on in general not just in MO. It restricts your view to roughly 70 degrees, it needs to be 180 or around there somehow, I'm sure someone will figure it out one day.
So far they are just screwing very few people, and those are precisely the ones that don't understand what an MMORPG really is, so they are better off.
And playing an MMO like an RTS sucks.
Please enlighten us Neanderthals on what a MMORPG "really" is.
As a gamer, I want more options not less. That means having the option to use both first person and third person. I have played mmo's that allowed you to scroll your view all the way into first person mode. In general I found it claustrophobic, and also there was a problem with nausea. Generally speaking, people tend to avoid things that make them feel claustrophobic and nauseas. And because my field of view was decreased, I felt as if I didn't have as much control over what was happening, and I think generally speaking gamers like to feel in control, but this is a personal assumption.
I also like to see my character as it helps me stay in character.
As in first person shooters, I was able to overcome the nausea in time. I suspect that will be the case for most people who play long enough. So the question then becomes, will the gameplay be compelling enough to mitigate the unpleasantness of the first person view that many experience. I think from a financial perspective, it's an unnecessary gamble. Why begin at the starting gate by alienating a segment of the player base?
To me this is a poor choice on the part of MO. It's amusing that people defend the first person view, when we should all be arguing for features that are inclusive rather than exclusive. But people seem more intent on a game that caters to their personal preferences and creating a niche environ for themselves rather than thinking of the long term success of the game.
I think it's kidna funny that people complain about the game being FPV and say that there should be TPV.
FPS used to all be FPV then some came out with some kind of "shoulder view" then you had game like Max Payne that was some kind of TPV.
Changes is good. Changes makes us try new thing. I wasn't sure at first if I'd like Max Payne or GTA3 since it wasn't a "true" shooter but it worked out well in the end.
People are complaining and they didn't even TRIED the game. Maybe it will suck, but perhaps it will kick some serious ass.
If you have nausea playing FPV, just don't buy MO, I don't see what the big deal is, there's thousand of other MMOs out there that offer just that the same old TPV view.
If you really want to play MO, get used to it and stop complaining about it, it's seriously childlish and annoying.
So far they are just screwing very few people, and those are precisely the ones that don't understand what an MMORPG really is, so they are better off.
And playing an MMO like an RTS sucks.
Please enlighten us Neanderthals on what a MMORPG "really" is.
Apparently its dealing with having very little control options and making the best of it?
I dunno I really like the ideas MO presents but not offering a TPV to those who want it is stupid, I personally love FPV but I won't be able to play it cus ALL of my friends hate FPV, even my wife.
sucks huh?
You do make a valid point, but what if 3PV would actually kill some of the immersion provided by being on FPV? (I mean im just speculating I have not played it , but this goes both ways really).
While I understand your concern about it, there are alot of FPV games out there and there are way more people playing those games than there are people playing MMORPG's its not like they are closing the audience in focusing on FPV it may as well bring people from singe players and other FPS games as a long time FPS gamer (since QW) I have no problem with it being FPV only but I understand the concerns since you are probably used to 3PV in MMOs, what people that want 3PV fail to aknowledge is that having 3PV MIGHT also make the gameplay worse and since only a hand full of people have played MO and there is an NDA we dont know if that is the case.
Just reguarding this part of your post, I used to think that too.. then I tried out Age of Conan recently.
I felt the "immersion" quality of the game (its Third person) was very high quality, I felt very into it. I never played AoC before about a week ago, and yes I got to level 30 so far, still feel pretty immersed.. I think its just the way the game feels.
Never really have this experience with a 3rd person view game before but hey that just proves (to me at least) that is is possible.
Just my three cents.