This Yamota might be a software developer but he doesn't understand a thing about marketing let alone the particular financial situation SV might be in as an indy dev. They might need every penny they have and having a couple of thousand boxes on your shelves is a big waste of money for them. I fully understand their reasoning. Besides, the pricetags of the digital download / subscription are something he should complain about at his government or the EU though in my mind they are completely reasonable compared to many other mmorpgs. Bottom line; get the digital download if you think the box costs too much, and wait for the first reviews if you want to be sure what you buy. Don't throw hissy fits because you think limited editions (because that is what they both are) are too expensive. Then this They are not making any bigger profits on the box, silly billy. Like it has been explained a thousand times before;
So you understand them for making a profit by charging an inane amount of money months before the release yet you are saying they are not making any bigger profits. Mmkay..
First of all how do you know they are not making alot of money? Just because they say so?
I live in Sweden, same country as the game is developed, produced and sold and I paid aprox 780 SEK for the game including shipping. Never in my life have I paid anywhere near that much for a boxed or digital download as the average price for a PC game in Sweden, with box, with shipping, with VAT is aprox 4-500 SEK.
Also that the boxed version is a Limited edition is another thing you pulled out of your ass because it says in their store that it is the Loot Bag that is the limited edition. For sure will you find boxed version of Mortal Online when the game is being mass produced.
Finally, noone is throwing a hissy fit, I am just calling them as I see it. If I see someone steal then I am going to say he is a thief. Likewise if I see a game that is overpriced then I am going to say it is overpriced. You know, free speech and all that?
I must agree with those people that have nothing else to do and come to the forums saying the game is too expensive... Yeah..SV should make MO totaly free, make expansions all free...get them delivered at our home for free also...and as a bonus each devs also go to our home kiss our as$ and pay us 100€ to play the game and continue to pay us every month for us to play the game..
No..seriously...the game price is fine, for me a ferrari is way overpriced , but for someone with the money and the will to buy it its cheap, the cheaper the game the more noobs come into it...an expensive game filters some unwanted real live toons... Most people are a bunch of whiners...now they whine about the price...more whining soon over something else.
lol... Just looking at your avatar and signature, it seems you are a fanboy-fanatic... $50 is reasonable for any game....
But yea, $75 for any game is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! Please grow up mr. fanboy....
PS - $75 for the game and $22 a month for the subscription is ridiculous...
Hasn't it been stated thats 14 euros for them and 14 dollars for us.
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
No. They need the money to pay for the boxes. That was even stated in an IRC chat once. Other companies charge you on delivery because they have the funds to pay the production in advance for you. SV as a newcomer has no backup funds or money pots they can reach into so they can not "loan" the money to people until shipping.
And why did you even preorder if the whole issue bothers you so much?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
You have to read something to deduce it? If it doesnt say WC on the toilet door then you think it is not a WC even though it has all the criterias for being one?
Btw what you just said: Order game and ship in September is the defintion of pre-order (except they charge you now instead of when it ships). But really, are we going to have a stupid discussion wether this is a pre-order or not? If so then lets say it is not a pre-order but rather a pay-now-test-beta-and-play-when-game-is-released-version. Happy?
Dolt..whens the last time you paid 75$ for a video game? And an MMO none the less. Of course its over-priced...
Every time i buy a collectors edition, and that is essentially what you are doing here, buying a limited run box set. AFAIK, this is the only time you can buy a box for this game.
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Yamota I think the real question here is why did you pay for the beta if you strongly disagree about their selling strategy?
Again for the people whining about $75 No one is making you buy the boxed version the same way no one made you buy a collectors for any other MMO wait for the DD which will be inline with current MMO prices.
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
No. They need the money to pay for the boxes. That was even stated in an IRC chat once. Other companies charge you on delivery because they have the funds to pay the production in advance for you. SV as a newcomer has no backup funds or money pots they can reach into so they can not "loan" the money to people until shipping.
And why did you even preorder if the whole issue bothers you so much?
It doesn't bother me but what bothers me are the legion of fanboys that try to make something appear as something else. Like: "Oh it isn't a pre-order because it doesnt say so. It is pay now and get game (maybe) in September". Oh please...
Fanboys are much more detrimental to the development of a game because they are so emotional about it that they fail too see any flaws in their "baby".
I must agree with those people that have nothing else to do and come to the forums saying the game is too expensive... Yeah..SV should make MO totaly free, make expansions all free...get them delivered at our home for free also...and as a bonus each devs also go to our home kiss our as$ and pay us 100€ to play the game and continue to pay us every month for us to play the game..
No..seriously...the game price is fine, for me a ferrari is way overpriced , but for someone with the money and the will to buy it its cheap, the cheaper the game the more noobs come into it...an expensive game filters some unwanted real live toons... Most people are a bunch of whiners...now they whine about the price...more whining soon over something else.
lol... Just looking at your avatar and signature, it seems you are a fanboy-fanatic... $50 is reasonable for any game....
But yea, $75 for any game is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! Please grow up mr. fanboy....
PS - $75 for the game and $22 a month for the subscription is ridiculous...
Hasn't it been stated thats 14 euros for them and 14 dollars for us.
Geez for the love of whatever god you believe in.
Sub Fees:
14.25€ (Euro) for EU players.
14.25$ (Dollar) for US players and everybody else who is not an EU or US citizen.
Yamota I think the real question here is why did you pay for the beta if you strongly disagree about their selling strategy?
Why are my personal reasons for paying for beta so interesting? I paid for beta because Darkfail was/is a mess and I feel that if Mortal Online is not a success then the FFA PvP genre of MMORPGs will be finished.
However, for me, what walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. And, with no set release date (sometime in September is not set), this is nothing but paid beta. There is absolutely no telling if this game beta will drag on for months, specially as they are saying that basic things like crafting is not even fully implemented yet.
Betas are usually testing the basic features (like crafting) and not test some basic features and test and develop others. So the game release may very well be at the end of the year.
Maybe you should have done better at school. They fact is really that fucking simple.
Were you one of those guys who picked on people in high school? Don't be an asshole to people just because they do not make enough money to blow on a video game that they havent seen any real footage of yet, besides the trailer. That kind of comment makes you look like the lowest form of pretentious asshole there is.
Maybe you should take some classes in not being a prick, "they" fact is really that fucking simple.
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Ok valid point, now I need to ask this, do you have a serious health problems that stop you from continueing with your life normally until the game is released (with videos, screenshots, reviews etc...) are the health problems your currently experiencing only curable with the $75 limited boxed version of MO and participating in the beta?
Sorry about the irony but I still dont understand why do you HAVE to be in beta? If you cant afford or just dont want to pay $75 for this limited box then why dont you just wait for release and buy a digital download at the normal MMO price? I dont really see how they screwed you over by not allowing you into beta unless you have some health problem that is only curable with an MO beta slot.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Ok valid point, now I need to ask this, do you have a serious health problems that stop you from continueing with your life normally until the game is released (with videos, screenshots, reviews etc...) are the health problems your currently experiencing only curable with the $75 limited boxed version of MO and participating in the beta?
Sorry about the irony but I still dont understand why do you HAVE to be in beta? If you cant afford or just dont want to pay $75 for this limited box then why dont you just wait for release and buy a digital download at the normal MMO price? I dont really see how they screwed you over by not allowing you into beta unless you have some health problem that is only curable with an MO beta slot.
i was not whining about HAVING to be in beta. I was pointing out the company's mistakes, and relying to a post with my opinion.....
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Ok valid point, now I need to ask this, do you have a serious health problems that stop you from continueing with your life normally until the game is released (with videos, screenshots, reviews etc...) are the health problems your currently experiencing only curable with the $75 limited boxed version of MO and participating in the beta?
Sorry about the irony but I still dont understand why do you HAVE to be in beta? If you cant afford or just dont want to pay $75 for this limited box then why dont you just wait for release and buy a digital download at the normal MMO price? I dont really see how they screwed you over by not allowing you into beta unless you have some health problem that is only curable with an MO beta slot.
i was not whining about HAVING to be in beta. I was pointing out the company's mistakes, and relying to a post with my opinion.....
Fair enough I refrain from my harsh post, but then again this is nothing more than your opinion as is my view on what they are doing, I dont see it as a mistake since they have been clear about what they are going to do.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
This is ofcourse true and the free buzz would be anything but bad! BUT when talking about a small company that only has room for about 10000 beta testers how does that company get the right people? Sure they could give out 10000 random keys on different sites or on their own site, but what kind of beta testers would that be? I would say the majority of those would only be interested in playing the game for free and not testing it. So they came up with a different plan, yes I can agree a less good one but still it gives them what they want. They get people that are dedicated to the game and I would say that they are more likely to be helping the game in testing then just to be playing. Ofcourse I might be completely wrong and I agree 100% that your way would be the ideal way to go! But they dont have the resources to give everyone that wants to try the game a chance.
People, it's not a "paid beta". You're paying for the game, and getting to play beta for a while. You are not getting charged for beta play time. If you want to call it a stupid purchase because the game looks sketch, is under developed, or whatever, that's fine. But don't call it "paid beta". That's just a false statement.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
This is ofcourse true and the free buzz would be anything but bad! BUT when talking about a small company that only has room for about 10000 beta testers how does that company get the right people? Sure they could give out 10000 random keys on different sites or on their own site, but what kind of beta testers would that be? I would say the majority of those would only be interested in playing the game for free and not testing it. So they came up with a different plan, yes I can agree a less good one but still it gives them what they want. They get people that are dedicated to the game and I would say that they are more likely to be helping the game in testing then just to be playing. Ofcourse I might be completely wrong and I agree 100% that your way would be the ideal way to go! But they dont have the resources to give everyone that wants to try the game a chance.
It is also very obvious that they need the money from these orders (DD and/or boxed) to continue development what more could they have offered as an incentive for people to buy it? I mean sure its a bit expensive the boxed version but there wouldnt be any other way for them to actually get some money to continue development other than offering people a spot in the beta.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
But they already said they are low on money and needed the boost from these pre-purchase/pre-order/paid beta whatever so there is no need to "probably" they are low on money and they needed this to continue funding. Ultimately its back to what I said they have been upfront with what they are doing if you agree you buy it, if you dont, you wait and see what happens.
Yamota I think the real question here is why did you pay for the beta if you strongly disagree about their selling strategy?
Why are my personal reasons for paying for beta so interesting? I paid for beta because Darkfail was/is a mess and I feel that if Mortal Online is not a success then the FFA PvP genre of MMORPGs will be finished.
However, for me, what walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. And, with no set release date (sometime in September is not set), this is nothing but paid beta. There is absolutely no telling if this game beta will drag on for months, specially as they are saying that basic things like crafting is not even fully implemented yet.
Betas are usually testing the basic features (like crafting) and not test some basic features and test and develop others. So the game release may very well be at the end of the year.
Sorry no offense but l2read.
The Boxes will be shipped to you on September the 1st.
The game is planned to be released in Q4 (which obviously is close to the end of the year GG). "This is not set in stone of course." as Henrik from SV said himself depending on what issues rise up on the way. That`s even a sticky here so you knew exactly what you get or are you really that lazy that you did not read that up before buying? SV actually answered all your concerns already.
Crafting is very much in Beta it is the UI for it that is still missing. Crafting in MO will be a minigame itself and is not just push "Craft" and set the Counter to Ten. Naturally you need an UI that reflects this functionality and not just a window with 3 buttons.
And your "Interpretation" of Betas is as much valid as is any other one. Slowly i get the impression that you just argue for the sake of arguing. And please inform yourself a little better.
Yamota I think the real question here is why did you pay for the beta if you strongly disagree about their selling strategy?
Why are my personal reasons for paying for beta so interesting? I paid for beta because Darkfail was/is a mess and I feel that if Mortal Online is not a success then the FFA PvP genre of MMORPGs will be finished.
However, for me, what walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. And, with no set release date (sometime in September is not set), this is nothing but paid beta. There is absolutely no telling if this game beta will drag on for months, specially as they are saying that basic things like crafting is not even fully implemented yet.
Betas are usually testing the basic features (like crafting) and not test some basic features and test and develop others. So the game release may very well be at the end of the year.
Sorry no offense but l2read.
The Boxes will be shipped to you on September the 1st.
The game is planned to be released in Q4 (which obviously is close to the end of the year GG). "This is not set in stone of course." as Henrik from SV said himself depending on what issues rise up on the way. That`s even a sticky here so you knew exactly what you get or are you really that lazy that you did not read that up before buying? SV actually answered all your concerns already.
Crafting is very much in Beta it is the UI for it that is still missing. Crafting in MO will be a minigame itself and is not just push "Craft" and set the Counter to Ten. Naturally you need an UI that reflects this functionality and not just a window with 3 buttons.
And your "Interpretation" of Betas is as much valid as is any other one. Slowly i get the impression that you just argue for the sake of arguing. And please inform yourself a little better.
What are you babbling about? What is it I need to "l2read"? I know everything you said and actually you just verified everything I just said.
Release date not set in stone. Check!
Crafting is not fully implemented. Check! (UI is part of it being fully implemented you know).
But really, what are YOU arguing about? Obviously I am not as gullable as you to just blindly believe whatever the devs have responded to as fact. They responding and saying that "Oh we are targetting a Septembre 1 release but that can ofcourse change" does not ease my concerns regarding the final product and if they wil really be able to finish by then. I judge something on the merits, not on what people say. They can say anything, I can say anything, that does not make it the truth and the fact remains that many, Many MMORPGs have been delayed many times so chances are that MO will be as well.
Which brings me back to my point that this is PAID test of beta and there is no way for sure to know when the actual release will be. That is why pre-orders are very rarely charged before the (released) game actually ships.
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So you understand them for making a profit by charging an inane amount of money months before the release yet you are saying they are not making any bigger profits. Mmkay..
First of all how do you know they are not making alot of money? Just because they say so?
I live in Sweden, same country as the game is developed, produced and sold and I paid aprox 780 SEK for the game including shipping. Never in my life have I paid anywhere near that much for a boxed or digital download as the average price for a PC game in Sweden, with box, with shipping, with VAT is aprox 4-500 SEK.
Also that the boxed version is a Limited edition is another thing you pulled out of your ass because it says in their store that it is the Loot Bag that is the limited edition. For sure will you find boxed version of Mortal Online when the game is being mass produced.
Finally, noone is throwing a hissy fit, I am just calling them as I see it. If I see someone steal then I am going to say he is a thief. Likewise if I see a game that is overpriced then I am going to say it is overpriced. You know, free speech and all that?
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lol... Just looking at your avatar and signature, it seems you are a fanboy-fanatic... $50 is reasonable for any game....
But yea, $75 for any game is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! Please grow up mr. fanboy....
PS - $75 for the game and $22 a month for the subscription is ridiculous...
Hasn't it been stated thats 14 euros for them and 14 dollars for us.
Really? Where is my game in that case?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
No. They need the money to pay for the boxes. That was even stated in an IRC chat once. Other companies charge you on delivery because they have the funds to pay the production in advance for you. SV as a newcomer has no backup funds or money pots they can reach into so they can not "loan" the money to people until shipping.
And why did you even preorder if the whole issue bothers you so much?
Really? Where is my game in that case?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
You have to read something to deduce it? If it doesnt say WC on the toilet door then you think it is not a WC even though it has all the criterias for being one?
Btw what you just said: Order game and ship in September is the defintion of pre-order (except they charge you now instead of when it ships). But really, are we going to have a stupid discussion wether this is a pre-order or not? If so then lets say it is not a pre-order but rather a pay-now-test-beta-and-play-when-game-is-released-version. Happy?
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Dolt..whens the last time you paid 75$ for a video game? And an MMO none the less. Of course its over-priced...
Every time i buy a collectors edition, and that is essentially what you are doing here, buying a limited run box set. AFAIK, this is the only time you can buy a box for this game.
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Yamota I think the real question here is why did you pay for the beta if you strongly disagree about their selling strategy?
Again for the people whining about $75 No one is making you buy the boxed version the same way no one made you buy a collectors for any other MMO wait for the DD which will be inline with current MMO prices.
Really? Where is my game in that case?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Really? Where is my game in that case?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
No. They need the money to pay for the boxes. That was even stated in an IRC chat once. Other companies charge you on delivery because they have the funds to pay the production in advance for you. SV as a newcomer has no backup funds or money pots they can reach into so they can not "loan" the money to people until shipping.
And why did you even preorder if the whole issue bothers you so much?
It doesn't bother me but what bothers me are the legion of fanboys that try to make something appear as something else. Like: "Oh it isn't a pre-order because it doesnt say so. It is pay now and get game (maybe) in September". Oh please...
Fanboys are much more detrimental to the development of a game because they are so emotional about it that they fail too see any flaws in their "baby".
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In the end, you can all bitch about the price.
Maybe you should have done better at school. They fact is really that fucking simple.
lol... Just looking at your avatar and signature, it seems you are a fanboy-fanatic... $50 is reasonable for any game....
But yea, $75 for any game is WAY TOO EXPENSIVE! Please grow up mr. fanboy....
PS - $75 for the game and $22 a month for the subscription is ridiculous...
Hasn't it been stated thats 14 euros for them and 14 dollars for us.
Geez for the love of whatever god you believe in.
Sub Fees:
14.25€ (Euro) for EU players.
14.25$ (Dollar) for US players and everybody else who is not an EU or US citizen.
Why are my personal reasons for paying for beta so interesting? I paid for beta because Darkfail was/is a mess and I feel that if Mortal Online is not a success then the FFA PvP genre of MMORPGs will be finished.
However, for me, what walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. And, with no set release date (sometime in September is not set), this is nothing but paid beta. There is absolutely no telling if this game beta will drag on for months, specially as they are saying that basic things like crafting is not even fully implemented yet.
Betas are usually testing the basic features (like crafting) and not test some basic features and test and develop others. So the game release may very well be at the end of the year.
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haha, only simple as your mind make it to be mate. I did excellent in school and thats maybe why I can see this for what it is and you cant.
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Were you one of those guys who picked on people in high school? Don't be an asshole to people just because they do not make enough money to blow on a video game that they havent seen any real footage of yet, besides the trailer. That kind of comment makes you look like the lowest form of pretentious asshole there is.
Maybe you should take some classes in not being a prick, "they" fact is really that fucking simple.
Really? Where is my game in that case?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Ok valid point, now I need to ask this, do you have a serious health problems that stop you from continueing with your life normally until the game is released (with videos, screenshots, reviews etc...) are the health problems your currently experiencing only curable with the $75 limited boxed version of MO and participating in the beta?
Sorry about the irony but I still dont understand why do you HAVE to be in beta? If you cant afford or just dont want to pay $75 for this limited box then why dont you just wait for release and buy a digital download at the normal MMO price? I dont really see how they screwed you over by not allowing you into beta unless you have some health problem that is only curable with an MO beta slot.
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See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Really? Where is my game in that case?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Ok valid point, now I need to ask this, do you have a serious health problems that stop you from continueing with your life normally until the game is released (with videos, screenshots, reviews etc...) are the health problems your currently experiencing only curable with the $75 limited boxed version of MO and participating in the beta?
Sorry about the irony but I still dont understand why do you HAVE to be in beta? If you cant afford or just dont want to pay $75 for this limited box then why dont you just wait for release and buy a digital download at the normal MMO price? I dont really see how they screwed you over by not allowing you into beta unless you have some health problem that is only curable with an MO beta slot.
i was not whining about HAVING to be in beta. I was pointing out the company's mistakes, and relying to a post with my opinion.....
Really? Where is my game in that case?
Pre-orders charge you when the game is shipped, not when the pre-order was made. MO charged me when I made the pre-order, hence I am paying for the beta.
I cant find any information for a pre-order on their webpage, I can only find where you buy the game and the site clearly states that the physical products will be shipped in September.
Touche! People assume too much and dont actually read what they have said, they explained exactly how its going to work, if you still cant understand, dont buy it, buying without understand the process and then whining about will not change anything and its certainly not their fault the information is all layed out for you.
Basically, this is their way of securing a player base way ahead of time, seeing as most pre-orders do not cost the full amount of the game, especially $75 for a BOXED VERSION. and yes, you are basically paying for BETA at this point in time, seeing as there is no retail version. YOU should look at how it's all layed out before getting mad at someone who feels cheated like most of the community. I personally refuse to pay 75 bucks for a game i have never tried, nor seen any real footage from beides thier trailer. If they had let me into beta when i signed up eons ago, and i had tried the game and loved it, then it would be a different story. They basically screwed people into having to pay for the game in order to play thier beta at this point. At least Aion only charged 5 bucks to get into thier betas for the pre order, and it's refundable.
Ok valid point, now I need to ask this, do you have a serious health problems that stop you from continueing with your life normally until the game is released (with videos, screenshots, reviews etc...) are the health problems your currently experiencing only curable with the $75 limited boxed version of MO and participating in the beta?
Sorry about the irony but I still dont understand why do you HAVE to be in beta? If you cant afford or just dont want to pay $75 for this limited box then why dont you just wait for release and buy a digital download at the normal MMO price? I dont really see how they screwed you over by not allowing you into beta unless you have some health problem that is only curable with an MO beta slot.
i was not whining about HAVING to be in beta. I was pointing out the company's mistakes, and relying to a post with my opinion.....
Fair enough I refrain from my harsh post, but then again this is nothing more than your opinion as is my view on what they are doing, I dont see it as a mistake since they have been clear about what they are going to do.
This is ofcourse true and the free buzz would be anything but bad! BUT when talking about a small company that only has room for about 10000 beta testers how does that company get the right people? Sure they could give out 10000 random keys on different sites or on their own site, but what kind of beta testers would that be? I would say the majority of those would only be interested in playing the game for free and not testing it. So they came up with a different plan, yes I can agree a less good one but still it gives them what they want. They get people that are dedicated to the game and I would say that they are more likely to be helping the game in testing then just to be playing. Ofcourse I might be completely wrong and I agree 100% that your way would be the ideal way to go! But they dont have the resources to give everyone that wants to try the game a chance.
People, it's not a "paid beta". You're paying for the game, and getting to play beta for a while. You are not getting charged for beta play time. If you want to call it a stupid purchase because the game looks sketch, is under developed, or whatever, that's fine. But don't call it "paid beta". That's just a false statement.
This is ofcourse true and the free buzz would be anything but bad! BUT when talking about a small company that only has room for about 10000 beta testers how does that company get the right people? Sure they could give out 10000 random keys on different sites or on their own site, but what kind of beta testers would that be? I would say the majority of those would only be interested in playing the game for free and not testing it. So they came up with a different plan, yes I can agree a less good one but still it gives them what they want. They get people that are dedicated to the game and I would say that they are more likely to be helping the game in testing then just to be playing. Ofcourse I might be completely wrong and I agree 100% that your way would be the ideal way to go! But they dont have the resources to give everyone that wants to try the game a chance.
It is also very obvious that they need the money from these orders (DD and/or boxed) to continue development what more could they have offered as an incentive for people to buy it? I mean sure its a bit expensive the boxed version but there wouldnt be any other way for them to actually get some money to continue development other than offering people a spot in the beta.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
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See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
But they already said they are low on money and needed the boost from these pre-purchase/pre-order/paid beta whatever so there is no need to "probably" they are low on money and they needed this to continue funding. Ultimately its back to what I said they have been upfront with what they are doing if you agree you buy it, if you dont, you wait and see what happens.
Why are my personal reasons for paying for beta so interesting? I paid for beta because Darkfail was/is a mess and I feel that if Mortal Online is not a success then the FFA PvP genre of MMORPGs will be finished.
However, for me, what walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. And, with no set release date (sometime in September is not set), this is nothing but paid beta. There is absolutely no telling if this game beta will drag on for months, specially as they are saying that basic things like crafting is not even fully implemented yet.
Betas are usually testing the basic features (like crafting) and not test some basic features and test and develop others. So the game release may very well be at the end of the year.
Sorry no offense but l2read.
The Boxes will be shipped to you on September the 1st.
The game is planned to be released in Q4 (which obviously is close to the end of the year GG). "This is not set in stone of course." as Henrik from SV said himself depending on what issues rise up on the way. That`s even a sticky here so you knew exactly what you get or are you really that lazy that you did not read that up before buying? SV actually answered all your concerns already.
Crafting is very much in Beta it is the UI for it that is still missing. Crafting in MO will be a minigame itself and is not just push "Craft" and set the Counter to Ten. Naturally you need an UI that reflects this functionality and not just a window with 3 buttons.
And your "Interpretation" of Betas is as much valid as is any other one. Slowly i get the impression that you just argue for the sake of arguing. And please inform yourself a little better.
Why are my personal reasons for paying for beta so interesting? I paid for beta because Darkfail was/is a mess and I feel that if Mortal Online is not a success then the FFA PvP genre of MMORPGs will be finished.
However, for me, what walks like a duck, swims like a duck and quacks like a duck then it is a duck. And, with no set release date (sometime in September is not set), this is nothing but paid beta. There is absolutely no telling if this game beta will drag on for months, specially as they are saying that basic things like crafting is not even fully implemented yet.
Betas are usually testing the basic features (like crafting) and not test some basic features and test and develop others. So the game release may very well be at the end of the year.
Sorry no offense but l2read.
The Boxes will be shipped to you on September the 1st.
The game is planned to be released in Q4 (which obviously is close to the end of the year GG). "This is not set in stone of course." as Henrik from SV said himself depending on what issues rise up on the way. That`s even a sticky here so you knew exactly what you get or are you really that lazy that you did not read that up before buying? SV actually answered all your concerns already.
Crafting is very much in Beta it is the UI for it that is still missing. Crafting in MO will be a minigame itself and is not just push "Craft" and set the Counter to Ten. Naturally you need an UI that reflects this functionality and not just a window with 3 buttons.
And your "Interpretation" of Betas is as much valid as is any other one. Slowly i get the impression that you just argue for the sake of arguing. And please inform yourself a little better.
What are you babbling about? What is it I need to "l2read"? I know everything you said and actually you just verified everything I just said.
Release date not set in stone. Check!
Crafting is not fully implemented. Check! (UI is part of it being fully implemented you know).
But really, what are YOU arguing about? Obviously I am not as gullable as you to just blindly believe whatever the devs have responded to as fact. They responding and saying that "Oh we are targetting a Septembre 1 release but that can ofcourse change" does not ease my concerns regarding the final product and if they wil really be able to finish by then. I judge something on the merits, not on what people say. They can say anything, I can say anything, that does not make it the truth and the fact remains that many, Many MMORPGs have been delayed many times so chances are that MO will be as well.
Which brings me back to my point that this is PAID test of beta and there is no way for sure to know when the actual release will be. That is why pre-orders are very rarely charged before the (released) game actually ships.
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