The game is not 'too expensive,' lol. Thousands of people bought it, and many such as myself were probably willing to pay even more for it should that have been necessary.
Its really astounding how few people on this site have a basic grasp of real-world economics. I don't know if its because the demographics here are mostly young kids or adults with little education, or both.
The market determines prices. The facts are that thousands of people were ok with paying $75 and up, i.e. this is what the market will bear. No one cares if YOU weren't ok with paying the money. In fact, SV and MO players are probably glad that you didn't buy it, because if you're whining about this, I can only imagine what you'd be like when you get PK'd or have your pockets picked in-game.
If the prices are too expensive for you, so be it. Learn to move on or spend some time improving your earning situation instead of creating forum posts about how a game is beyond your financial reach. MO was a niche game even before the prices were announced, its feature set (by design) will only apply to a very small subset of online gaming fans.
People need to learn to differentiate 'too expensive' from 'too expensive for me.' Bunch of frakking crybabies, the lot of you. Get an education for God's sake.
The game is not 'too expensive,' lol. Thousands of people bought it, and many such as myself were probably willing to pay even more for it should that have been necessary. Its really astounding how few people on this site have a basic grasp of real-world economics. I don't know if its because the demographics here are mostly young kids or adults with little education, or both. The market determines prices. The facts are that thousands of people were ok with paying $75 and up, i.e. this is what the market will bear. No one cares if YOU weren't ok with paying the money. In fact, SV and MO players are probably glad that you didn't buy it, because if you're whining about this, I can only imagine what you'd be like when you get PK'd or have your pockets picked in-game. If the prices are too expensive for you, so be it. Learn to move on or spend some time improving your earning situation instead of creating forum posts about how a game is beyond your financial reach. MO was a niche game even before the prices were announced, its feature set (by design) will only apply to a very small subset of online gaming fans. People need to learn to differentiate 'too expensive' from 'too expensive for me.' Bunch of frakking crybabies, the lot of you. Get an education for God's sake.
Real world economics? hahaha
The game isn't released yet so how can you apply "real world economics" to it? Just because a couple of thousands people paid for the beta does not mean that Mortal Online will be a viable MMORPG.
From the looks of it I think it will be able to hold its own but you pathetic little worm come here and teach us of "world econmics". Do you even know what you are talking about?
Then you go of blabbering about niche game, like that has got anything to do with the price. But for my amusement, please tell me what kind of ecnomics degree you have.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
This is where the fanboys answer that this is a niche game and that Starvault dont need your money and that you are a carebear that should go back to WoW.
I tell you, fanboys do much more harm to a game than the so called haters that criticize a game.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
Maybe read up on the available info before you so naively accuse them of being greedy. I am not explaining why limited editions tend to be expensive anymore.
p.s. The Undecided will wait for more info around launch time anyway and get the normal edition if they like what they hear.
The game is not 'too expensive,' lol. Thousands of people bought it, and many such as myself were probably willing to pay even more for it should that have been necessary. Its really astounding how few people on this site have a basic grasp of real-world economics. I don't know if its because the demographics here are mostly young kids or adults with little education, or both. The market determines prices. The facts are that thousands of people were ok with paying $75 and up, i.e. this is what the market will bear. No one cares if YOU weren't ok with paying the money. In fact, SV and MO players are probably glad that you didn't buy it, because if you're whining about this, I can only imagine what you'd be like when you get PK'd or have your pockets picked in-game. If the prices are too expensive for you, so be it. Learn to move on or spend some time improving your earning situation instead of creating forum posts about how a game is beyond your financial reach. MO was a niche game even before the prices were announced, its feature set (by design) will only apply to a very small subset of online gaming fans. People need to learn to differentiate 'too expensive' from 'too expensive for me.' Bunch of frakking crybabies, the lot of you. Get an education for God's sake.
Real world economics? hahaha
The game isn't released yet so how can you apply "real world economics" to it? Just because a couple of thousands people paid for the beta does not mean that Mortal Online will be a viable MMORPG.
From the looks of it I think it will be able to hold its own but you pathetic little worm come here and teach us of "world econmics". Do you even know what you are talking about?
Then you go of blabbering about niche game, like that has got anything to do with the price. But for my amusement, please tell me what kind of ecnomics degree you have.
I didn't say whether or not it will be a 'viable MMORPG' (which by the way is completely subjective and varies depending on who you talk to).
Thousands of people paid the advertised price and didn't complain about it, meaning that supply equaled demand.
Is that simplified enough for you?
I've built two successful small businesses from scratch, and the $75.00 price was pocket change to me, so I'll wager I know quite a bit more than you do about real-world economics. I've also worked for quite a number of successful businessmen over the years in my career as a corporate pilot. Now, if you want to debate my credentials, we can take it to private messages. Otherwise, I suggest you learn a few things about how the world works before you spout off. You strike me as being incredibly young and naive.
Whether or not MO fits your own skewed definition of a 'viable MMORPG' has nothing to do with the economics of supply and demand relative to game pricing that I am talking about.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
This is where the fanboys answer that this is a niche game and that Starvault dont need your money and that you are a carebear that should go back to WoW.
I tell you, fanboys do much more harm to a game than the so called haters that criticize a game.
Funny thing is that most of the people defending MO here are being very reasonable and tend to state facts, facts and more facts. Yet you seem to be hell bent to accuse them of being "teh fanboiz lol" and just ignore any reasonable argument. How come? You did buy the box didn't you?
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
If you want to make a "quick buck" you don`t buy a license for the Unreal Engine which easily goes up to a million dollars. I also highly doubt that EPIC Games would be personally involved into MO if they would not be sure what SV is up to. Starvault is also listed on the stock market www.starvault.se/index.php . Not a good idea to go there if you plan to pull out eh? When it comes to business transparency SV is lightyears ahead of DF and D&L. Bringing those up as comparisons in business terms is quite a good joke.
And please spare us your "Omens" and Predictions already...it is getting tiresome. And you still do not get it that you do not pay for Beta am i right? You argue here since DAYS is guess..constantly complaining about the same points. And judging from your posts you are pretty paranoid....lots of "ifs", "when", "probably", "should" in your posts...
Whatever dude..but seriously keep your interpretations of things to yourself.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
This is where the fanboys answer that this is a niche game and that Starvault dont need your money and that you are a carebear that should go back to WoW.
I tell you, fanboys do much more harm to a game than the so called haters that criticize a game.
This is where most discussions end really because there is no point in posting this sort of crap unless you cant really come up with anything inteligent to say Yamota in all honesty I really appreciate your input in most discussions just not this kind which is useless and contributes nothing.
Again I understand your point zymurgeist, but i do not believe it was a stupid move for them, they didnt expect people to they offered the choice to, people paid if they felt it was necessary, they are not trying to create a buzz they are trying to finish up the game, like I said beta is not to "play" its to TEST the game, you seem to still think beta is a free preview for free marketing when they have clearly stated they are going to properly test the game rather than just offer what most other games do which is a more or less complete preview of the final version.
If a company does something stupid and people point out that it's stupid that's not whining. So you can stop whining about people who aren't whining. Public betas are a chance to generate some free buzz. Trying to cash in on it only puishes away the people you should be courting in hopes of generating that buzz. It's counterproductive. Yes it's stupid when any company does it so "AoC did it" is no excuse. Their collectors editions could be bought for $5.00 each on E-Bay for months after launch.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
If you want to make a "quick buck" you don`t buy a license for the Unreal Engine which easily goes up to a million dollars. I also highly doubt that EPIC Games would be personally involved into MO if they would not be sure what SV is up to. Starvault is also listed on the stock market www.starvault.se/index.php . Not a good idea to go there if you plan to pull out eh? When it comes to business transparency SV is lightyears ahead of DF and D&L. Bringing those up as comparisons in business terms is quite a good joke.
And please spare us your "Omens" and Predictions already...it is getting tiresome. And you still do not get it that you do not pay for Beta am i right? You argue here since DAYS is guess..constantly complaining about the same points. And judging from your posts you are pretty paranoid....lots of "ifs", "when", "probably", "should" in your posts...
Whatever dude..but seriously keep your interpretations of things to yourself.
That is quite a good point actually I hadnt really added to the equation the fact they spent quite alot of cash on an Unreal 3 license, if you compare the other 2 mentioned they both went for the in-house engine option (which costs them nothing upfront) and they both claimed to have some amazing new technology in this engine that would really stand out from others available.
I am just copying and pasting a post i made in another thread that dealt with pricing issues, especially since it seems fitting here.
First off OP, great post and i totally agree with you.
Second, the reason Blizz, EA, and other big companies sell their game for less is cause they have a deal with a company in China that will cheaply box and export the game at a discount. Also, they are crappy flemsy cardboard boxes and not metal embossed boxes. If i recall, wasn't the Collectors Edition of Lich King, an expansion mind you, like 100$? Who are you WoW fanboys kidding? I paid less for MO's LE edition than people paid for a CE expansion.
Lastly, SV has already stated that the game they are releasing is going to be nothing more than a core MMO, nothing more, nothing less. It is going to be nothing more than the basics at launch and the community knows that. It's also a reason i have faith they'll launch since they aren't aiming for the stars like AV. They have never once lied to us about what's going to be in the game at release, if anything, we might get more than we expect.
So, as i have stated a few times now, buy it or don't, it's your decision but don't come into MO threads trolling about things you apparently don't know much about.
I must agree with those people that have nothing else to do and come to the forums saying the game is too expensive... Yeah..SV should make MO totaly free, make expansions all free...get them delivered at our home for free also...and as a bonus each devs also go to our home kiss our as$ and pay us 100€ to play the game and continue to pay us every month for us to play the game..
No..seriously...the game price is fine, for me a ferrari is way overpriced , but for someone with the money and the will to buy it its cheap, the cheaper the game the more noobs come into it...an expensive game filters some unwanted real live toons... Most people are a bunch of whiners...now they whine about the price...more whining soon over something else.
So, to prove your point, you whined about the whiners. Good strategy, hope it works for you.
It's not the price of the game. It's the fact that its in beta. You're paying them to betatest something that should be done internally. In fact, most software development shops don't even have a beta phase at all.
This whole fiasco in PC gaming lately with all the bullcrap surrounding F2P payment models, and over-priced beta tests is making me think that maybe the console kids were right all along. Maybe its time to consider investing my money in a new console and leaving 20 years of PC gaming behind me once and for all.
It's not the price of the game. It's the fact that its in beta. You're paying them to betatest something that should be done internally. In fact, most software development shops don't even have a beta phase at all.
This whole fiasco in PC gaming lately with all the bullcrap surrounding F2P payment models, and over-priced beta tests is making me think that maybe the console kids were right all along. Maybe its time to consider investing my money in a new console and leaving 20 years of PC gaming behind me once and for all.
Gawd help me, I've had that thought too. The HORROR! The HORROR!
"The monthly subscription cost of Mortal Online will be €14.25 for Europeans and $14.25 for everybody else."
$14.25 EU is around $22 USD (rounded up)
(Blame that on the government full of democrats for making the dollar tank by spending the most amount of money in 6 months in the history of our country)
on topic - - - blah blah blah...............i couldn't care less what they are charging to the idiots who are paying for beta (and yes, that is what it is - you can color it any way you choose but that is the bottom line)
as for your little sign-off there - - - funny how quickly even more idiots forget how the previous administration made this necessary
Thank God for Capitalism....they don't want to lower their prices I'll find another mmo. It's not that much money but it's the principle of competition, but it's your money so spend it however you want.
"The monthly subscription cost of Mortal Online will be €14.25 for Europeans and $14.25 for everybody else."
$14.25 EU is around $22 USD (rounded up)
(Blame that on the government full of democrats for making the dollar tank by spending the most amount of money in 6 months in the history of our country)
on topic - - - blah blah blah...............i couldn't care less what they are charging to the idiots who are paying for beta (and yes, that is what it is - you can color it any way you choose but that is the bottom line)
as for your little sign-off there - - - funny how quickly even more idiots forget how the previous administration made this necessary
And isn't this game made in Sweden, or at least Europe? How did American Democrats influence them?
And isn't this game made in Sweden, or at least Europe? How did American Democrats influence them?
Well the democrats effect everyone because they eat baby seals. Now since democrats also are the anti-Christ they get a bonus to blood drinking. Now with an unlimited amount of money from your tax dollars they can run the world the way they want so since they're also communist they don't like the free market so they told the MO devs to charge whatever they think and to ignore the mainstream market prices. I hope MO fails hard for thinking they can be communist with their prices.
So join together and defeat democrats/communist (same thing). Shop at Walmart, Vote Republican, and don't let companies think they're above Capitalism.
And isn't this game made in Sweden, or at least Europe? How did American Democrats influence them?
Well the democrats effect everyone because they eat baby seals. Now since democrats also are the anti-Christ they get a bonus to blood drinking. Now with an unlimited amount of money from your tax dollars they can run the world the way they want so since thier are also communist they don't like the free market so they told the MO devs to charge whatever they think and to ignore the mainstream market prices. I hope MO fails hard for thinking they can be communist with their prices.
So join together and defeat democrats/communist (same thing). Shop at Walmart, Vote Republican, and don't let companies think they're above Capitalism.
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Well, that's pretty much the only way they are going to get me to play it.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
The game is not 'too expensive,' lol. Thousands of people bought it, and many such as myself were probably willing to pay even more for it should that have been necessary.
Its really astounding how few people on this site have a basic grasp of real-world economics. I don't know if its because the demographics here are mostly young kids or adults with little education, or both.
The market determines prices. The facts are that thousands of people were ok with paying $75 and up, i.e. this is what the market will bear. No one cares if YOU weren't ok with paying the money. In fact, SV and MO players are probably glad that you didn't buy it, because if you're whining about this, I can only imagine what you'd be like when you get PK'd or have your pockets picked in-game.
If the prices are too expensive for you, so be it. Learn to move on or spend some time improving your earning situation instead of creating forum posts about how a game is beyond your financial reach. MO was a niche game even before the prices were announced, its feature set (by design) will only apply to a very small subset of online gaming fans.
People need to learn to differentiate 'too expensive' from 'too expensive for me.' Bunch of frakking crybabies, the lot of you. Get an education for God's sake.
Real world economics? hahaha
The game isn't released yet so how can you apply "real world economics" to it? Just because a couple of thousands people paid for the beta does not mean that Mortal Online will be a viable MMORPG.
From the looks of it I think it will be able to hold its own but you pathetic little worm come here and teach us of "world econmics". Do you even know what you are talking about?
Then you go of blabbering about niche game, like that has got anything to do with the price. But for my amusement, please tell me what kind of ecnomics degree you have.
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See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
This is where the fanboys answer that this is a niche game and that Starvault dont need your money and that you are a carebear that should go back to WoW.
I tell you, fanboys do much more harm to a game than the so called haters that criticize a game.
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See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
Maybe read up on the available info before you so naively accuse them of being greedy. I am not explaining why limited editions tend to be expensive anymore.
p.s. The Undecided will wait for more info around launch time anyway and get the normal edition if they like what they hear.
Stop crying, seriously
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Real world economics? hahaha
The game isn't released yet so how can you apply "real world economics" to it? Just because a couple of thousands people paid for the beta does not mean that Mortal Online will be a viable MMORPG.
From the looks of it I think it will be able to hold its own but you pathetic little worm come here and teach us of "world econmics". Do you even know what you are talking about?
Then you go of blabbering about niche game, like that has got anything to do with the price. But for my amusement, please tell me what kind of ecnomics degree you have.
I didn't say whether or not it will be a 'viable MMORPG' (which by the way is completely subjective and varies depending on who you talk to).
Thousands of people paid the advertised price and didn't complain about it, meaning that supply equaled demand.
Is that simplified enough for you?
I've built two successful small businesses from scratch, and the $75.00 price was pocket change to me, so I'll wager I know quite a bit more than you do about real-world economics. I've also worked for quite a number of successful businessmen over the years in my career as a corporate pilot. Now, if you want to debate my credentials, we can take it to private messages. Otherwise, I suggest you learn a few things about how the world works before you spout off. You strike me as being incredibly young and naive.
Whether or not MO fits your own skewed definition of a 'viable MMORPG' has nothing to do with the economics of supply and demand relative to game pricing that I am talking about.
Here endeth the lesson.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
This is where the fanboys answer that this is a niche game and that Starvault dont need your money and that you are a carebear that should go back to WoW.
I tell you, fanboys do much more harm to a game than the so called haters that criticize a game.
Funny thing is that most of the people defending MO here are being very reasonable and tend to state facts, facts and more facts. Yet you seem to be hell bent to accuse them of being "teh fanboiz lol" and just ignore any reasonable argument. How come? You did buy the box didn't you?
My brand new bloggity blog.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
If you want to make a "quick buck" you don`t buy a license for the Unreal Engine which easily goes up to a million dollars. I also highly doubt that EPIC Games would be personally involved into MO if they would not be sure what SV is up to. Starvault is also listed on the stock market www.starvault.se/index.php . Not a good idea to go there if you plan to pull out eh? When it comes to business transparency SV is lightyears ahead of DF and D&L. Bringing those up as comparisons in business terms is quite a good joke.
And please spare us your "Omens" and Predictions already...it is getting tiresome. And you still do not get it that you do not pay for Beta am i right? You argue here since DAYS is guess..constantly complaining about the same points. And judging from your posts you are pretty paranoid....lots of "ifs", "when", "probably", "should" in your posts...
Whatever dude..but seriously keep your interpretations of things to yourself.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Having said you're about to do something stupid makes doing it no less stupid. Expecting people to pay extra to play an incomplete game prior to launch is even more stupid than expecting them pay extra to play a complete one. Greed ain't pretty. You don't create positive buzz by bilking the people who would already buy it. You do it by convincing the undecided. Undecided people are unlikely to pay this much, right now, for what they would be getting.
This is where the fanboys answer that this is a niche game and that Starvault dont need your money and that you are a carebear that should go back to WoW.
I tell you, fanboys do much more harm to a game than the so called haters that criticize a game.
This is where most discussions end really because there is no point in posting this sort of crap unless you cant really come up with anything inteligent to say Yamota in all honesty I really appreciate your input in most discussions just not this kind which is useless and contributes nothing.
Again I understand your point zymurgeist, but i do not believe it was a stupid move for them, they didnt expect people to they offered the choice to, people paid if they felt it was necessary, they are not trying to create a buzz they are trying to finish up the game, like I said beta is not to "play" its to TEST the game, you seem to still think beta is a free preview for free marketing when they have clearly stated they are going to properly test the game rather than just offer what most other games do which is a more or less complete preview of the final version.
See this is why i am saying people are not reading any info before posting, the developers already stated (before preorder, purchase whatever you wanna call it) that beta in MO wont be your standard free-preview with all features that happen in other games, it will be proper testing and polishing of features , which goes back to my point people need to read all of the information that is layed out.
Its not counterproductive its exactly what they said they were planning to do and exactly what they said it was going to happen.
Them being honest about it upfront does not make it not counterproductive as I feel, and probably many others, that charging for beta testing (or whatever kind of testing you want it to be called) is not a good way of doing bussiness. It is showing people that:
* They want your money before the game is finished
Which probably means that:
* They are low on money
Which is not a good omen for the final game as that could mean that there will be alot of missing features at launch. Actually there will be as they have said it themselves.
So when all is said and done this is basically paying (alot) of money so that they can finish the game for release. I decided that I am willing to do that but that doesnt take away the fact that this is not a good sign.
However, things could be worse, and this could also mean that they are not a serious game developer and just want to make a quick buck and then bolt (like Mourning, Dark And Light and arguably Darkfail). I personally dont think so but I cannot rule it out.
So anyway you wanna cut it, this "paying months before release" is not a good sign.
If you want to make a "quick buck" you don`t buy a license for the Unreal Engine which easily goes up to a million dollars. I also highly doubt that EPIC Games would be personally involved into MO if they would not be sure what SV is up to. Starvault is also listed on the stock market www.starvault.se/index.php . Not a good idea to go there if you plan to pull out eh? When it comes to business transparency SV is lightyears ahead of DF and D&L. Bringing those up as comparisons in business terms is quite a good joke.
And please spare us your "Omens" and Predictions already...it is getting tiresome. And you still do not get it that you do not pay for Beta am i right? You argue here since DAYS is guess..constantly complaining about the same points. And judging from your posts you are pretty paranoid....lots of "ifs", "when", "probably", "should" in your posts...
Whatever dude..but seriously keep your interpretations of things to yourself.
That is quite a good point actually I hadnt really added to the equation the fact they spent quite alot of cash on an Unreal 3 license, if you compare the other 2 mentioned they both went for the in-house engine option (which costs them nothing upfront) and they both claimed to have some amazing new technology in this engine that would really stand out from others available.
PS. Sorry for the double post.
I am just copying and pasting a post i made in another thread that dealt with pricing issues, especially since it seems fitting here.
First off OP, great post and i totally agree with you.
Second, the reason Blizz, EA, and other big companies sell their game for less is cause they have a deal with a company in China that will cheaply box and export the game at a discount. Also, they are crappy flemsy cardboard boxes and not metal embossed boxes. If i recall, wasn't the Collectors Edition of Lich King, an expansion mind you, like 100$? Who are you WoW fanboys kidding? I paid less for MO's LE edition than people paid for a CE expansion.
Lastly, SV has already stated that the game they are releasing is going to be nothing more than a core MMO, nothing more, nothing less. It is going to be nothing more than the basics at launch and the community knows that. It's also a reason i have faith they'll launch since they aren't aiming for the stars like AV. They have never once lied to us about what's going to be in the game at release, if anything, we might get more than we expect.
So, as i have stated a few times now, buy it or don't, it's your decision but don't come into MO threads trolling about things you apparently don't know much about.
/signed
So, to prove your point, you whined about the whiners. Good strategy, hope it works for you.
It's not the price of the game. It's the fact that its in beta. You're paying them to betatest something that should be done internally. In fact, most software development shops don't even have a beta phase at all.
This whole fiasco in PC gaming lately with all the bullcrap surrounding F2P payment models, and over-priced beta tests is making me think that maybe the console kids were right all along. Maybe its time to consider investing my money in a new console and leaving 20 years of PC gaming behind me once and for all.
-.Sleepless.
Gawd help me, I've had that thought too. The HORROR! The HORROR!
^Lies. Or at least misleading.
"The monthly subscription cost of Mortal Online will be €14.25 for Europeans and $14.25 for everybody else."
$14.25 EU is around $22 USD (rounded up)
(Blame that on the government full of democrats for making the dollar tank by spending the most amount of money in 6 months in the history of our country)
on topic - - - blah blah blah...............i couldn't care less what they are charging to the idiots who are paying for beta (and yes, that is what it is - you can color it any way you choose but that is the bottom line)
as for your little sign-off there - - - funny how quickly even more idiots forget how the previous administration made this necessary
Thank God for Capitalism....they don't want to lower their prices I'll find another mmo. It's not that much money but it's the principle of competition, but it's your money so spend it however you want.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
^Lies. Or at least misleading.
"The monthly subscription cost of Mortal Online will be €14.25 for Europeans and $14.25 for everybody else."
$14.25 EU is around $22 USD (rounded up)
(Blame that on the government full of democrats for making the dollar tank by spending the most amount of money in 6 months in the history of our country)
on topic - - - blah blah blah...............i couldn't care less what they are charging to the idiots who are paying for beta (and yes, that is what it is - you can color it any way you choose but that is the bottom line)
as for your little sign-off there - - - funny how quickly even more idiots forget how the previous administration made this necessary
And isn't this game made in Sweden, or at least Europe? How did American Democrats influence them?
Well the democrats effect everyone because they eat baby seals. Now since democrats also are the anti-Christ they get a bonus to blood drinking. Now with an unlimited amount of money from your tax dollars they can run the world the way they want so since they're also communist they don't like the free market so they told the MO devs to charge whatever they think and to ignore the mainstream market prices. I hope MO fails hard for thinking they can be communist with their prices.
So join together and defeat democrats/communist (same thing). Shop at Walmart, Vote Republican, and don't let companies think they're above Capitalism.
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Well the democrats effect everyone because they eat baby seals. Now since democrats also are the anti-Christ they get a bonus to blood drinking. Now with an unlimited amount of money from your tax dollars they can run the world the way they want so since thier are also communist they don't like the free market so they told the MO devs to charge whatever they think and to ignore the mainstream market prices. I hope MO fails hard for thinking they can be communist with their prices.
So join together and defeat democrats/communist (same thing). Shop at Walmart, Vote Republican, and don't let companies think they're above Capitalism.
nice reply.