In comics superheroes group up and defend against villains. Why should it be different for us humans ? For me it does not matter one way or the other, I always prefer to group first for the mmo social experience. I have plenty of single player games if I really wanted to solo.
I'm not much of a Jack Emmert fan because of his design philosophy in City of Heroes. It just hit a new low with this interview. Even if they weren't going the sub + mt route, I wouldn't give this MMO the time of day. I pray to the powers that be, Marvel Online will be a game worth playing. DCUO is out of the question as I won't support any game made by SOE for various reasons, but primarily due to their preferred business model.
I have no problem with group focused games. I'm just tired of waiting for someone to finally come out with an MMO that doesn't treat soloers as second rate gamers. Where's our MMO that gives us "Top Dog" status? Groupers, raiders, PvPers and Crafter have theirs, we are long overdue for a solo focus game.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Overall, I'm not too worried about it. I'm still buying this game........
Originally, Cryptic said CO was for groupers and soloers. I doubt they would chnage that now....... especially since they want the BUCKS from solo players, too. I'm sure there will be areas to solo and content where you have to be in a group. I am a person who likes to solo and group (as long as it's in a GOOD guild and not a PUG). CoH and CoV allowed soloing, and I expect the same of CO.
Remember, Spiderman didn't join a group like the NEW Avengers for years......... and he was mainly SOLO. Soloing is also a part of the game of superheroing. Character development. LOL
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Don’t get me wrong, I love to group but I can’t group as much as I like. I have tried the single player RPG and it just doesn’t feel the same to me. After playing my first mmo (EQ1) single player games feel dead to me now. I personally wish they would allow soloing just so I can feel like I can advance in say 20 to 30 mins of play time. It doesn’t have to be a lot of advancement just enough to make me feel like I have accomplished something. Personally I feel like both play styles can coexist in one game, it just hasn’t been implemented correctly yet.
Thank god a MMORPG that does not cater to solo players, they are the freaks of mmorpgs, they probably solo just so they can do some freaky crap with themselves so no one catches them doing it, who wants to solo in an MMOrpg? Why not play a single player RPG?.
Iam so tired of the solo crap they are ruining mmorpgs.
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Really? Where is your proof to back these claims?
Single player games manage to have challenging content, it's not our fault MMO developers are clueless on how to design content.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
I agree with ghost047 on this one...that is why games are so eazy imo
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Really? Where is your proof to back these claims?
Single player games manage to have challenging content, it's not our fault MMO developers are clueless on how to design content.
Hes right soloing makes the game much easier whats so fun running down the same mobs over and over and being a lone mmorpgs cant balance a game to make it harder if things can be so easily soloed.
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.
To all the soloers, I wouldn't worry about this. Devs have said in other interviews that CO will be very solo-friendly overall. With open beta just around the corner, the NDA is sure to drop soon and beta testers will be able to say more specific things about how soloable (or not) the various kinds of content in CO are. For now I would just advise you not to let Jack's puzzling and profoundly ironic comments concern you.
Exactly. I can understand when you have a limited time to play, maybe this game is not for you. But any MMO shines when you play with others. Soloing is entrenched because so many started on their console games and then moved to MMO's expecting the same type of gameplay. Personally, soloers don't stay in gamelong, they make no lasting friendships to keep them around so they are bad audience to attempt to appease.
As to the ranged verses melee debate, a melee teamed with a ranged guy makes a formidible opponent. Trying to pvp solo as a melee is just dumb.
Umm, your view is extremely distorted. I played CoH for 4 years, I mostly solo'd, grouped when needed or with friends. I made a long list of friends. We are still in contact outside of the game. A few even came over to LotRO with me. I'm not a difficult person to appease, but I feel that forced grouping in an MMORPG in today's market is just signing a death warrant on a game.
No matter how you spin it, soloers make up quite a bit of a population of a game. Creating a game without them in mind, you are loosing a huge source of money and with the cost of making an MMO today, they need all the money they can get.
To all the soloers, I wouldn't worry about this. Devs have said in other interviews that CO will be very solo-friendly overall. With open beta just around the corner, the NDA is sure to drop soon and beta testers will be able to say more specific things about how soloable (or not) the various kinds of content in CO are. For now I would just advise you not to let Jack's puzzling and profoundly ironic comments concern you.
I thend to take anything jack says with a pound of advil. Seriously the guy need a speach coach. I can tell he means well but its "open mouth, insert both feet, knees, and a couple knuckles"
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.
I am not talking about all content. If they are soloer, they only do solo content, which means they can get through it in less than a month. Yes you can hit max lvl in a month easely, take WoW for exemple (using WoW because it is well known), you can easely get to lvl 80 in 5 days playtime, 120 hrs, which is 4 hours a day for a month and this is if you take your time.
You are telling us that all your friends has the same play style? Right now it is hard to proof, but check when Aion, Champions or even Fallen Earth (tehy are all coming out in September) look on the forum or official web sit to see how many and how long it will take to have max lvl. I remember when WAR came out, the day of the official release, their were many max lvl already (WAR had a 4 days headstart), same for AoC or even DDO.
So let us know what you soloer do when you hit max lvl. Do you PvP? Must be boring since it is way better in group. Do you raid? No, you have to group. So what do you do, stay in the main city and try to become Mayor?
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Really? Where is your proof to back these claims?
Single player games manage to have challenging content, it's not our fault MMO developers are clueless on how to design content.
Yes you are right, single player games are made to be challenging. How can you make a MMO challenging if you can do everything solo. Let say you go for a typical quest to kill 10 bears and you solo them, how can the dev make it harder to kill those same 10 bears with a group of 6, it would have to be instance like CoX does.
Another thing they said, mobs in the world should scale with your group, if you solo and you aggro 1 mob you will be fine and if you are a group of 3, the same mobs is suppose to call for backup or go aggro other mobs in the map.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Why the hell do people bother soloing in a MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME. Go play an RPG if you want to make grouping pointless because you want to "solo". Sure you may not have time, but you could still just team up with someone in the same area and knock a couple quests off.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.
I am not talking about all content. If they are soloer, they only do solo content, which means they can get through it in less than a month. Yes you can hit max lvl in a month easely, take WoW for exemple (using WoW because it is well known), you can easely get to lvl 80 in 5 days playtime, 120 hrs, which is 4 hours a day for a month and this is if you take your time.
You are telling us that all your friends has the same play style? Right now it is hard to proof, but check when Aion, Champions or even Fallen Earth (tehy are all coming out in September) look on the forum or official web sit to see how many and how long it will take to have max lvl. I remember when WAR came out, the day of the official release, their were many max lvl already (WAR had a 4 days headstart), same for AoC or even DDO.
So let us know what you soloer do when you hit max lvl. Do you PvP? Must be boring since it is way better in group. Do you raid? No, you have to group. So what do you do, stay in the main city and try to become Mayor?
you do some of the other content you missed on your road to 50/80/5,000 (yes their is a mmo with a level cap in the thousands)?
Take City of Heroes for example. I could hit 50 in a day using mission architect, farming freaks, chain task forces, or sidekicking.
Ok im 50 now what to do?
well theirs the other 3 methods
Ororboros
Time Travel to Cim
Punch Aliens
Hunt Zombies
Raid
High level taskforces
some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)
but EVERYTHING that can be soloed without tricks in one month? Your kidding yourself.
2 if you cant solo most of the content in any of the games out there currently you are either:
A one of those morons who face pulls/ charges into several groupings of mobs and yells HEAL ME HEAL ME all day long
B someone who absolutely loves pure healing classes and cant spend points on offense
C soemoen who does not want to be bothered with the A type player listed above
D someone who has very slow mental and physical reflexes
3 Just because somethign is written in a web site article or forum dont take it as the truth. I mean look at dana masseys articles lol they suck and are mostly hypotheical BS that is merely content filler. I doubt most of the articles you read about video games are written by professional writer. And, if ther were professional writers/reportes with a sense of profesionalism and not write based on opinion or heresay, i truely doubt they would have the time to play MMOs.
4 If youve played CoX then you know it is easy and since its made by the same team... well you get the picture.
5 its a comic based game - they want to publish it for young kid sales so it cant be too difficult. granted the median age of gamers is 25 or whatever, you cant make a comic based game and not have it be acessible to young kids.
i can go on but i keep getting warnings from the forum admins every time i open my mouth in these forums - so i will end with this... if you cant play a game its probably cuz you suck so get better and stop teh QQ
some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)
There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
I don't agree that an MMO "shines" when in a team. If you happen to play with a group of friends or a guild not filled with twits, then yes. However, PUGs are far more typical and they rarely work out well. In fact, they usually just make me question the intelligence of many players.
I think a game needs a balance of Team and Solo oriented play. The bulk of the game should be fun for one, great for two, with some very epic and in-depth quest/mission series for entire groups to campaign together in.
Heh this is so true, in most mmorpgs when I get into a pug group I have seen some real stupid things, especally in ff11. you run into so many morons who have used level sync and have 0 idea how to play their job later and also have gimped to hell weaponskills and are generally a waste of a slot.
some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)
There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.
nice example in taking things out of context.
What wit hthe subject of my post being ways to solo thing not "technically' for solo play. So i'm a jerk if i broadcast "forming one man run of Positron TF, need 2 bodies to start then you can quit"
some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)
There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.
So are all solo'ers jerks then? Just asking since you seen to equate jerk behavior described above with "soloer mentality"?
Someone else said it above. The MMO market has grown up. For many of us who started in MMO's with EQ, we have gotten older. many have gotten married and have kids. Along with that comes homes and life responsibility and things that come up. I am lucky if I get 1-2 nights of uninterrrupted game play a week (and I do not have kids).
So when it comes to the soloing versus group question, I have to ask myself: "Will I play a game where I can solo and do 90% of the stuff on my own; or will I play a game where I have to do 90% of the stuff in groups, all the while causing my groups to wait while I go AFK for this or that?"
And I don't mean AFK for 3 minutes for a BIO or a drink...I mean 30 minutes to cook dinner, 2 hours to mow the grass, 15 minutes to answer the door or take an important phone call. And do I want to do this day in and day out, repeatedly, over and over again? And do I want to play a game where there is a good chance all 5-8 people in my group will be doing the SAME thing?
The answer is no. It is not that I do not like grouping...I love it. But I simply do not have the time to commit like I did 10 years ago. However, I like the community that an MMo brings and the social aspect and honestly, only poorly designed MMO's focus their social aspect around groups.
Thanks for the laugh, you and your excuses, like your the only one with things to do beside gaming. i get it, you take 30 mins to cook diner, why do you have to do it in the middle of a play session, eat and after go play. Mow the grass, in the evening? 15 min to answer the door, what does it say on it, free donuts? We all have stuff to do, the thing I use is call a schedule.
Let me explain you how it works for most of the adult gaming community (since your not but think you are)
Monday to Thursday
Finish work between 4-5pm get the kids on the way home.
Cook dinner between 5-6pm
Play with the kids between 6-7pm
Gives kids the bath between 7-8pm and send them to bed
Play games between 8-12pm
You have a 4 hours window to play your games 4 times a week (16hours/week) sure you do not play every night, you have to be with you wife/girlfriend.
On the weekend you even have more free time to play.
If you come back and say that this is not how it works, it is because you have none of those things or you have no idea how schedule your time.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
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In comics superheroes group up and defend against villains. Why should it be different for us humans ? For me it does not matter one way or the other, I always prefer to group first for the mmo social experience. I have plenty of single player games if I really wanted to solo.
I'm not much of a Jack Emmert fan because of his design philosophy in City of Heroes. It just hit a new low with this interview. Even if they weren't going the sub + mt route, I wouldn't give this MMO the time of day. I pray to the powers that be, Marvel Online will be a game worth playing. DCUO is out of the question as I won't support any game made by SOE for various reasons, but primarily due to their preferred business model.
I have no problem with group focused games. I'm just tired of waiting for someone to finally come out with an MMO that doesn't treat soloers as second rate gamers. Where's our MMO that gives us "Top Dog" status? Groupers, raiders, PvPers and Crafter have theirs, we are long overdue for a solo focus game.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Overall, I'm not too worried about it. I'm still buying this game........
Originally, Cryptic said CO was for groupers and soloers. I doubt they would chnage that now....... especially since they want the BUCKS from solo players, too. I'm sure there will be areas to solo and content where you have to be in a group. I am a person who likes to solo and group (as long as it's in a GOOD guild and not a PUG). CoH and CoV allowed soloing, and I expect the same of CO.
Remember, Spiderman didn't join a group like the NEW Avengers for years......... and he was mainly SOLO. Soloing is also a part of the game of superheroing. Character development. LOL
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Don’t get me wrong, I love to group but I can’t group as much as I like. I have tried the single player RPG and it just doesn’t feel the same to me. After playing my first mmo (EQ1) single player games feel dead to me now. I personally wish they would allow soloing just so I can feel like I can advance in say 20 to 30 mins of play time. It doesn’t have to be a lot of advancement just enough to make me feel like I have accomplished something. Personally I feel like both play styles can coexist in one game, it just hasn’t been implemented correctly yet.
Thank god a MMORPG that does not cater to solo players, they are the freaks of mmorpgs, they probably solo just so they can do some freaky crap with themselves so no one catches them doing it, who wants to solo in an MMOrpg? Why not play a single player RPG?.
Iam so tired of the solo crap they are ruining mmorpgs.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Really? Where is your proof to back these claims?
Single player games manage to have challenging content, it's not our fault MMO developers are clueless on how to design content.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
I agree with ghost047 on this one...that is why games are so eazy imo
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Really? Where is your proof to back these claims?
Single player games manage to have challenging content, it's not our fault MMO developers are clueless on how to design content.
Hes right soloing makes the game much easier whats so fun running down the same mobs over and over and being a lone mmorpgs cant balance a game to make it harder if things can be so easily soloed.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
Not solo friendly...deal breaker for me absolutely. This is not happy.
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.
To all the soloers, I wouldn't worry about this. Devs have said in other interviews that CO will be very solo-friendly overall. With open beta just around the corner, the NDA is sure to drop soon and beta testers will be able to say more specific things about how soloable (or not) the various kinds of content in CO are. For now I would just advise you not to let Jack's puzzling and profoundly ironic comments concern you.
Exactly. I can understand when you have a limited time to play, maybe this game is not for you. But any MMO shines when you play with others. Soloing is entrenched because so many started on their console games and then moved to MMO's expecting the same type of gameplay. Personally, soloers don't stay in gamelong, they make no lasting friendships to keep them around so they are bad audience to attempt to appease.
As to the ranged verses melee debate, a melee teamed with a ranged guy makes a formidible opponent. Trying to pvp solo as a melee is just dumb.
Umm, your view is extremely distorted. I played CoH for 4 years, I mostly solo'd, grouped when needed or with friends. I made a long list of friends. We are still in contact outside of the game. A few even came over to LotRO with me. I'm not a difficult person to appease, but I feel that forced grouping in an MMORPG in today's market is just signing a death warrant on a game.
No matter how you spin it, soloers make up quite a bit of a population of a game. Creating a game without them in mind, you are loosing a huge source of money and with the cost of making an MMO today, they need all the money they can get.
I thend to take anything jack says with a pound of advil. Seriously the guy need a speach coach. I can tell he means well but its "open mouth, insert both feet, knees, and a couple knuckles"
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.
I am not talking about all content. If they are soloer, they only do solo content, which means they can get through it in less than a month. Yes you can hit max lvl in a month easely, take WoW for exemple (using WoW because it is well known), you can easely get to lvl 80 in 5 days playtime, 120 hrs, which is 4 hours a day for a month and this is if you take your time.
You are telling us that all your friends has the same play style? Right now it is hard to proof, but check when Aion, Champions or even Fallen Earth (tehy are all coming out in September) look on the forum or official web sit to see how many and how long it will take to have max lvl. I remember when WAR came out, the day of the official release, their were many max lvl already (WAR had a 4 days headstart), same for AoC or even DDO.
So let us know what you soloer do when you hit max lvl. Do you PvP? Must be boring since it is way better in group. Do you raid? No, you have to group. So what do you do, stay in the main city and try to become Mayor?
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Really? Where is your proof to back these claims?
Single player games manage to have challenging content, it's not our fault MMO developers are clueless on how to design content.
Yes you are right, single player games are made to be challenging. How can you make a MMO challenging if you can do everything solo. Let say you go for a typical quest to kill 10 bears and you solo them, how can the dev make it harder to kill those same 10 bears with a group of 6, it would have to be instance like CoX does.
Another thing they said, mobs in the world should scale with your group, if you solo and you aggro 1 mob you will be fine and if you are a group of 3, the same mobs is suppose to call for backup or go aggro other mobs in the map.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Many people seem to be confused as to why a solo player would want to play a MMOG, after all, as you and many others assert, its a massively MULTIPLAYER online game, why would a soloer be interested, and why should a developer cater to them?
Well, there are other aspects to MMOGs other than the social grouping aspect that many people are interested in. One in particular is the type of persistence and long term character development that MMOG's provide that draws them. Soloing in MMOG's is a perfectly viable playstyle, as is anything else.
So with that said, I would ask that you and other user's respect that, and let's not derail this discussion into an attack on other gamers' playstyles. Thanks!
Most of those said soloer are the type to burn through content in a month and since they only solo, when they hit max lvl they have nothing left to do anymore so they leave for another game. So please, spare us your argument about soloing. It's because of soloer that those game are so easy today, everything has to be made so a single player can do everything.
Where do you get your info that says most people that solo burn though content in a month? Being in the Navy on a ship only gives me enough time for a day or two a week for grouping. Even my civilian friends with good jobs don't have time to solo though a MMO in a month. I know married, working and out going people don't make up 100% of the MMO player base, but I think a good majority of players have other things in life that keep them from burning though a MMO in a month. I personaly have never meet a single person that has burned though all an MMO's content in a month. I have hundreds of good friends (Military and Civilian) that i have meet in my 14 years in the Navy and even the hard core gamers are not running though MMO's in a month. This wasn't an attack or angry post, just my thoughts.
amen, you can solo to MAX LEVEL in a month (or a week, a day, a few hours....) but ALL Content...yeah...not gonna happen.
I am not talking about all content. If they are soloer, they only do solo content, which means they can get through it in less than a month. Yes you can hit max lvl in a month easely, take WoW for exemple (using WoW because it is well known), you can easely get to lvl 80 in 5 days playtime, 120 hrs, which is 4 hours a day for a month and this is if you take your time.
You are telling us that all your friends has the same play style? Right now it is hard to proof, but check when Aion, Champions or even Fallen Earth (tehy are all coming out in September) look on the forum or official web sit to see how many and how long it will take to have max lvl. I remember when WAR came out, the day of the official release, their were many max lvl already (WAR had a 4 days headstart), same for AoC or even DDO.
So let us know what you soloer do when you hit max lvl. Do you PvP? Must be boring since it is way better in group. Do you raid? No, you have to group. So what do you do, stay in the main city and try to become Mayor?
you do some of the other content you missed on your road to 50/80/5,000 (yes their is a mmo with a level cap in the thousands)?
Take City of Heroes for example. I could hit 50 in a day using mission architect, farming freaks, chain task forces, or sidekicking.
Ok im 50 now what to do?
well theirs the other 3 methods
Ororboros
Time Travel to Cim
Punch Aliens
Hunt Zombies
Raid
High level taskforces
some of that requires a team to complete, some can be soloed but need a team to start. (any any of the solo tf runners. Grab 4-8 people then kick them and solo the tf on your own)
but EVERYTHING that can be soloed without tricks in one month? Your kidding yourself.
1 most MMOs are easy.
2 if you cant solo most of the content in any of the games out there currently you are either:
A one of those morons who face pulls/ charges into several groupings of mobs and yells HEAL ME HEAL ME all day long
B someone who absolutely loves pure healing classes and cant spend points on offense
C soemoen who does not want to be bothered with the A type player listed above
D someone who has very slow mental and physical reflexes
3 Just because somethign is written in a web site article or forum dont take it as the truth. I mean look at dana masseys articles lol they suck and are mostly hypotheical BS that is merely content filler. I doubt most of the articles you read about video games are written by professional writer. And, if ther were professional writers/reportes with a sense of profesionalism and not write based on opinion or heresay, i truely doubt they would have the time to play MMOs.
4 If youve played CoX then you know it is easy and since its made by the same team... well you get the picture.
5 its a comic based game - they want to publish it for young kid sales so it cant be too difficult. granted the median age of gamers is 25 or whatever, you cant make a comic based game and not have it be acessible to young kids.
i can go on but i keep getting warnings from the forum admins every time i open my mouth in these forums - so i will end with this... if you cant play a game its probably cuz you suck so get better and stop teh QQ
There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!
Heh this is so true, in most mmorpgs when I get into a pug group I have seen some real stupid things, especally in ff11. you run into so many morons who have used level sync and have 0 idea how to play their job later and also have gimped to hell weaponskills and are generally a waste of a slot.
There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.
nice example in taking things out of context.
What wit hthe subject of my post being ways to solo thing not "technically' for solo play. So i'm a jerk if i broadcast "forming one man run of Positron TF, need 2 bodies to start then you can quit"
Eh, we will see. Thats all I can say.
There it is, you said it and that's exactly why I don't want the soloer mentality in my games.
So are all solo'ers jerks then? Just asking since you seen to equate jerk behavior described above with "soloer mentality"?
Someone else said it above. The MMO market has grown up. For many of us who started in MMO's with EQ, we have gotten older. many have gotten married and have kids. Along with that comes homes and life responsibility and things that come up. I am lucky if I get 1-2 nights of uninterrrupted game play a week (and I do not have kids).
So when it comes to the soloing versus group question, I have to ask myself: "Will I play a game where I can solo and do 90% of the stuff on my own; or will I play a game where I have to do 90% of the stuff in groups, all the while causing my groups to wait while I go AFK for this or that?"
And I don't mean AFK for 3 minutes for a BIO or a drink...I mean 30 minutes to cook dinner, 2 hours to mow the grass, 15 minutes to answer the door or take an important phone call. And do I want to do this day in and day out, repeatedly, over and over again? And do I want to play a game where there is a good chance all 5-8 people in my group will be doing the SAME thing?
The answer is no. It is not that I do not like grouping...I love it. But I simply do not have the time to commit like I did 10 years ago. However, I like the community that an MMo brings and the social aspect and honestly, only poorly designed MMO's focus their social aspect around groups.
Thanks for the laugh, you and your excuses, like your the only one with things to do beside gaming. i get it, you take 30 mins to cook diner, why do you have to do it in the middle of a play session, eat and after go play. Mow the grass, in the evening? 15 min to answer the door, what does it say on it, free donuts? We all have stuff to do, the thing I use is call a schedule.
Let me explain you how it works for most of the adult gaming community (since your not but think you are)
Monday to Thursday
Finish work between 4-5pm get the kids on the way home.
Cook dinner between 5-6pm
Play with the kids between 6-7pm
Gives kids the bath between 7-8pm and send them to bed
Play games between 8-12pm
You have a 4 hours window to play your games 4 times a week (16hours/week) sure you do not play every night, you have to be with you wife/girlfriend.
On the weekend you even have more free time to play.
If you come back and say that this is not how it works, it is because you have none of those things or you have no idea how schedule your time.
Get a life you freaking Gamer.....no no, you don't understand, I'm a Gamer, I have many lives!!