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Atheism has multiple definitions:
From www.dictionary.com
–noun
1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
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I consider myself an atheist in the second sense. I do not believe there is a god - in exactly the same way I don't believe there are fairies at the bottom of my garden. I can disprove neither - but that doesn't really matter - because according to the principle of Occam's razor (i.e. that the simplest explanation is most often the correct one) it is more rational to act as if there are neither gods nor fairies.
@gestalt
i love occam's razor. its funny how a priest was the one who devised it, and in doing so proved his own religion was bogus. i don't know how i am irrational...that i cannot prove that god exists, with or without reasonable doubt. if you can prove it to me, then do it. you cant use your silly book, either, it proves nothing more than some guys a long time ago, can write a book.
I agree. The way I see it, the problem is that globalisation has taken the production "off-shore", so the associated pollution is out of sight out of mind, whereas we as consumers still vote locally with our money. Well, at least the sweatshop conditions have seemingly improved, thanks to a western outcry. It takes time for pollution to become an important issue enough to warrant a similar outcry. And that happens when the toxic sludge reaches our shores, at the latest. They should just start hauling the associated pollution back to countries of purchase to wake people up
What about that one other country in west which doesn't respect human rights and is quite high at polluting, something about U and S and A? It haven't deserved any respect for long time, I think...
Every country has their own tabus like germans and Nazis... Is that close minded too? Also, other one is this huge problem with sex and nudity with one country mentioned before, it's messing up lot of games which could be lot more than they are now...
The US doesn't respect human rights? How about a quick comparison of the two countries:
Can you single-handedly have a say in how your government operates? China: No / US: Yes
Can you protest against your government? China: No / US: Yes
Do you have restrictions placed on your daily life? Like the government telling you what websites you can and cannot go to? China: Yes / US: No
Are you given due process of law, and guaranteed a fair trial comprised of your peers? China: No / US: Yes
Are prisoners openly tortured and treated inhumanely - oftentimes sent to labour camps? China: Yes / US: No
Does your government invade a country with the sole intent of wiping out its culture, and then forcibly committing racial cleansing of its people? China: Yes / US: No
Why don't you go fuck off with the comparisons? There are none. Communists have sterilized China to the point of where its people, and its culture, are almost unrecognisable - you have the Cultural Revolution to thank for that. And just to point things out, the Chinese per capita pollution output is surging at a rate much, much higher than in the US - China overtook the US in total pollution quite a while ago, too. Take your blame-the-US ridiculousness elsewhere.
Mao-Tse Tung, is that you?
No just someone who doesnt think WOW is as important as an ancient culture but what do i know. I know this might be hard for some to believe but the chinese people have more problems than not being able to play a video game.
Cultures change. Theres nothing "sacred" in a culture. Look at how Japan "surf" into the western culture to be sucesfull as a country and mantain his identity.
Cultures like everything else evolve yes. But what this is all about is respect for ancestors and to forget this respect for the sake of a video game isnt likely to happen. Japan "evolved" to keep up in world economics, last time i looked China is not only doing well in that respect they are a major player in world economics at this time.
Yes and banning a video game shows how far they've come
.
Also take this china
Australia has some pretty strict internet guidelines as well. There are game that are banned there also. What to you propose we do to them?
Remenber then to make a smarter vote the next time. If you are auss, remove these crazy guys from power on the next elections!
the bastards pulled it on us halfway through their term in power. It was never planned during the election. Also the previous government was in power far too long and our options were fairly limited.
As for the thread...It's a culture thing and nothing else.
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-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
before anyone else makes any stupid assumptions.....read this http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=77966.0 it is supposidly from a chinese wow player
What about that one other country in west which doesn't respect human rights and is quite high at polluting, something about U and S and A? It haven't deserved any respect for long time, I think...
Every country has their own tabus like germans and Nazis... Is that close minded too? Also, other one is this huge problem with sex and nudity with one country mentioned before, it's messing up lot of games which could be lot more than they are now...
As far as your first paragraph is concerned, think before you post please.
On the second paragraph sex sells and sells well, thus it will continue
I for one Like to see some bouncing babes in video games 
Because as a gamer I'm automatically stereotyped as never having seen a pair of knockers so I compensate by playing nudist video games 
I agree. The way I see it, the problem is that globalisation has taken the production "off-shore", so the associated pollution is out of sight out of mind, whereas we as consumers still vote locally with our money. Well, at least the sweatshop conditions have seemingly improved, thanks to a western outcry. It takes time for pollution to become an important issue enough to warrant a similar outcry. And that happens when the toxic sludge reaches our shores, at the latest. They should just start hauling the associated pollution back to countries of purchase to wake people up
It isn't our responsability to tell people we buy stuff from how to make the things we buy. I dunno about you, but I haven't seen any local bills that I actually had power to vote on that said something like, "Vote to repress workers in Xianshang province to keep production costs own". Maybe such things are up in Congress, but politics are a big freaking mess.
It's the same exact shit that went down in the industrial revolution here in the west. Lot's and lot's of exceedingly greedy businessmen who used the cheaper means of production they could and didin't give two shits about what their waste did to the environment, because caring cost them money. Why would you blame the consumers? You blame the producers for being way too greedy. And of course we cared back then because the greedy bastards were polluting OUR country. Why in the fuck should I care if the Chinese pollute the piss out of their lakes and fields?
As to the OP topic id say its understandable afterall its there culture and although there goverment is corrupt and greedy its people share common beliefs about the old and the dead, so whats wrong with respecting there core beliefs?
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
As to the OP topic id say its understandable afterall its there culture and although there goverment is corrupt and greedy its people share common beliefs about the old and the dead, so whats wrong with respecting there core beliefs?
True, to get back on topic.
Although I have to wonder why the Chinese government would break down a SINGLE game that was likely generating nice revenue that they saw some good tax money from.
But the other company that picked up WoW is beta testing their servers right now. I don't think they have WotLK anywhere in sight since it would require actually a lot of doing to get it past the censors and someone has to be willing to put the resources into doing it. Meh.
I wonder if LOTRO China has wights (undead skeletons). Anybody know? Tons of wights in LOTRO, I wonder what they'd replace them with.
Theres the historical evidence that religions are a modern invention. Stuff like monoteism is like only 3000 years old. Stuff like cristianism is like only 2009 years old. Or something, I don't care.
These things where invented by humans not much ago. Before that, theres no traits of the existence of these beliefs.
Theres also the horrible contradictions of all the religions about what is, is not, and what to do.
Everthing this make us think is yous customs and traditions. Irrational social ways to control people.
Scientology whas invented not long ago by a science-fiction writter. I have another word to describe religions: SCAM SCHEMES.
Mao-Tse Tung, is that you?
No just someone who doesnt think WOW is as important as an ancient culture but what do i know. I know this might be hard for some to believe but the chinese people have more problems than not being able to play a video game.
Cultures change. Theres nothing "sacred" in a culture. Look at how Japan "surf" into the western culture to be sucesfull as a country and mantain his identity.
Cultures like everything else evolve yes. But what this is all about is respect for ancestors and to forget this respect for the sake of a video game isnt likely to happen. Japan "evolved" to keep up in world economics, last time i looked China is not only doing well in that respect they are a major player in world economics at this time.
Yes and banning a video game shows how far they've come
.
Also take this china
Australia has some pretty strict internet guidelines as well. There are game that are banned there also. What to you propose we do to them?
Remenber then to make a smarter vote the next time. If you are auss, remove these crazy guys from power on the next elections!
the bastards pulled it on us halfway through their term in power. It was never planned during the election. Also the previous government was in power far too long and our options were fairly limited.
As for the thread...It's a culture thing and nothing else.
Pulled it on you halfway through their term. Yeah, we have the same thing going on here in the U.S. People wanted hope and change, too bad they didnt see the change coming. Im not sure if we have an internet czar here yet, too many czars to keep up with.
We better be careful we know how touchy the chinese government is, mmorpg.com could get sued for supporting the bad mouthing of it.
Wiki:
RELIGION
A religion is an organized approach to human spirituality which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices, often with a supernatural or transcendent quality, that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth.[1] It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things. It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle. Religion also encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience.
Lets see how this definition applies to atheism:
Organized approach to human spirituality? NO
Which usually encompasses a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices? NO
Often with a supernatural or transcendent quality? NO
That give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, God or gods, or ultimate truth? NO
It may be expressed through prayer, ritual, meditation, music and art, among other things? NO
It may focus on specific supernatural, metaphysical, and moral claims about reality (the cosmos and human nature) which may yield a set of religious laws, ethics, and a particular lifestyle? NO
Encompasses ancestral or cultural traditions, writings, history, and mythology, as well as personal faith and religious experience? NO
It's not a religion. It's just the THOUGHT (religion has no thought) that there is no God.
Thanks for this..very interesting read. It helped me confirm my opinion that WOTLK's release in China was not delayed due to religion...bones....faith or god....but for the same reason everything else gets fucked with...money.
LOOOOOL!!.. who has tell you that? Atheism is not a religion.
A religion is a system of beliefs in superstitions.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition
Atheism if is something, is the acceptance of the world how it his. Religions where invented by people that reject the idea that the death is the final, creating magical worlds and mythic creatures that make a afterlife possible and "real".
I find atheists just as bad as hard core religious zealots.
Dogma in any form is bad. And quite frankly an atheist can't tell how the universe "is" because it's not possible to do that from the very limited experience that humanity has. It's like a flea sitting on a dog and saying that it can describe the entire dog in looks and temperment. Not going to happen.
A good part of humanity has followed some sort of spirit worship, ancestor worship, diety worship since very far back. They probably needed this in order to help them make sense of the world around them.
I don't believe people who are religious can prove their beliefs but neither can an atheist prove that there is no great force, intelligence or what have you.
Especially, if one was to really think on what a supreme intelligence would actually be.
Think about it, you are so far above, say, the intelligence and experience of a baby. However, despite the gap between your awareness and a baby's, any intelligence that could create (if one wanted to follow the whole diety thread of thought) a universe, work with all the laws of physics (or create them?) the most advanced geology, biology, and any other "ology" one can throw out there, not to mention supreme mathematics, would be so vastly above us as to probably not be able to impart anything of any real value to us. This intelligence would be farther above us than an adult from a baby.
Certainly you couldn't really, with any effort, describe much to a baby given the baby's limited knowledge and experience.
In any case, as Gary, the little mormon kid on South Park said so well:
Gary: Look, maybe us Mormons do believe in crazy stories that make absolutely no sense, and maybe Joseph Smith did make it all up, but I have a great life. and a great family, and I have the Book of Mormon to thank for that.
The truth is, I don't care if Joseph Smith made it all up, because what the church teaches now is loving your family, being nice and helping people. And even though people in this town might think that's stupid, I still choose to believe in it.
All I ever did was try to be your friend, Stan, but you're so high and mighty you couldn't look past my religion and just be my friend back. You've got a lot of growing up to do, buddy. Suck my balls.
I think we all can learn a little something from Gary
(er, except possibly that last bit)
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What you haven't kept up with the news on why blizzard has delayed WotLK in China?
no what's the deal.
Pictures/images of skeleton and bones are banned as it currupts minds in china.
is it exactly that or does it have to do with ancestor worship or some sort of religious context?
I think communism is atheist so that could not be the reason.
Nice try. It's the BELIEF that there is no God. Science, rathionalisim, Empiricisim, they all have absolultely NOTHING to say on the God issue one way or another. It's outside of their scope. And quite frankly outside of their care, let the religious zealots on both sides of the fence battle that one out.
Regardless though, II see that even you ran like a little girl away from the word Belief.
Didn't sit well with you did it? Ya, it doesn't sit well with me either.
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Well.. the burden of the proff is on the people that say god exist. Theres not need for any dogma or spiritualism. Prove me that ghost exist, or that soul exist, or that god exist, or that jesus was a god, etc.. and I will be ok to me.
You have not proven that your SuperHero Magic Guy From The Heaven exist, so why I sould NOT laugh at you?
Well.. the burden of the proff is on the people that say god exist. Theres not need for any dogma or spiritualism. Prove me that ghost exist, or that soul exist, or that god exist, or that jesus was a god, etc.. and I will be ok to me.
You have not proven that your SuperHero Magic Guy From The Heaven exist, so why I sould NOT laugh at you?
The pious man says that god exists.
The atheist says that god doesn't exist.
They're both religious men. If they weren't, then they wouldn't be talking about god.
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I didnt expect a full blown religious debate when the topic makes me think im about to pay for sex. So what happened? Did some off topic conversation spill into The Pub?
OP
China has to wait more, QQ
Your a filthy whore...GG
I have 10 bucks, what can you do for me?
Well.. the burden of the proff is on the people that say god exist. Theres not need for any dogma or spiritualism. Prove me that ghost exist, or that soul exist, or that god exist, or that jesus was a god, etc.. and I will be ok to me.
You have not proven that your SuperHero Magic Guy From The Heaven exist, so why I sould NOT laugh at you?
The pious man says that god exists.
The atheist says that god doesn't exist.
They're both religious men. If they weren't, then they wouldn't be talking about god.
Where I say that god doesn't exist?
You LIE. :-)
Yarr, comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, just the atheist viewpoint in general.
Yours was just the most recent comment so I used your post .. like a filthy wh0re.
But still, my point is irrefutable. IRREFUTABLE!
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Yarr, comment wasn't specifically aimed at you, just the atheist viewpoint in general.
Yours was just the most recent comment so I used your post .. like a filthy wh0re.
But still, my point is irrefutable. IRREFUTABLE!
Hahahahaha.... :-)
Censoring is bullcrap. I don't care if it's nudity in the U.S., blood in Germany, or bones in China. Frack censorship.