There are a lot of non-factual statements in this thread about Champions. I guess when the NDA is lifted it wil get sorted. As for Aion, it feels like an asian grinder and I hate asian grinders.. It doesn't feel like WoW to me. But, of course, this is just my opinion.
Well, CO look like gold sellers/farmers took over and manage the company. And I hate gold sellers/farmers. My opinion also.
When the bots have taken over Aion, which I see happening, just like in L2, then we will revisit this thread about your gold sellers.
When the bots take over Aion, I'll be looking for another game as well. That doesn't mean that I need to tolerate RMT on my MMO. Not where there is nothing positive for the gamers involved.
Originally posted by stormsoul .... Once again, if you don't like the cash shop, don't use it. ....
Doesn't work that way. If I don't like the cash shop, I just won't touch the game, period.
Originally posted by stormsoul .... And hey, if people putting money into the cash shop allows them to hire an extra zone designer, quest designer, 3d modeler, artist, or whatever to create more content, that seems like a win/win to me. ...
Doesn't work that way either. Whatever developers the cash shop will allow to be hired will be used for augmenting the cash shop primarily. Look at SOE games for past examples.
There is one thing having bots in the game and another having bots controlling the economy (as in Lineage 2). It is a valid concern, which rests entirely in the hands of the administrative team of NCsoft west. If they present the level of incompetence that was apparent in Lineage 2, I'll be looking for another game, for certain.
Edit: Battling botting is one thing. Legalising gold farming/selling is another. At the moment we know for certain who does what. We are yet uncertain about the other.
Two very different games and I played chinese Aion and Champions beta.
One is Fantasy
One is Superhero
One gives that epic mmo progression feel
One gives more casual, sock em up feel
To me Aion is that deep mmo that can if done right keep people for years via pvp, raiding and so on like what WoW, EQ and so on. At least until the new Final Fantasy mmo ^^
Champions does not feel overly MMO to me, it is one of course, but does not feel traditional to me. More like of course City of Heroes was and is.
As for fun factor, Im not sure I will be buying either at release.
Aion is a really well made game and will be very enjoyable for many people, my only gripe is very personal and that is that I sort of want something new and Aion reminds me very much of what I have been doing for years now.
Champions...well making characters is fun but beyond that I found the game overly simple, disconnected and disjointed and would get bored very quickly. So I will not buy Champions because I simply find is boring and even cheap feeling and really I found combat in CoH to be better.
My other gripe with Champions without getting into specifics is that it is just to dang easy, in fact the easiest mmo I have ever played and for me, I need some sense of danger or else it just becomes a bore and I auto pilot through stuff. Many other gripes as well that I can not get into.
Aion I may swing around to buying mainly for the PvP. Otherwise I will just hold out until next year.
Aion will bite the dust, reason behind this is that CO is something fresh and amazing. I beta tested it and all i can say without breaking nda is that this game will ROCK you socks of.
Champions...well making characters is fun but beyond that I found the game overly simple, disconnected and disjointed and would get bored very quickly. So I will not buy Champions because I simply find is boring and even cheap feeling and really I found combat in CoH to be better. My other gripe with Champions without getting into specifics is that it is just to dang easy, in fact the easiest mmo I have ever played and for me, I need some sense of danger or else it just becomes a bore and I auto pilot through stuff. Many other gripes as well that I can not get into. Aion I may swing around to buying mainly for the PvP. Otherwise I will just hold out until next year.
You apperantly are a new beta tester. You have no clue my friend about the mechanics later on.
Aion will bite the dust, reason behind this is that CO is something fresh and amazing. I beta tested it and all i can say without breaking nda is that this game will ROCK you socks of.
Have you tried Aion? If not, then you may be perceived as a little biased. You may want to try both before making up your mind. You may find that Aion has something that you like, as well.
I've played both these games quite a bit over the last couple months and CO wins by a landslide for me. I am a PvE man so take that with the appropriately sized grain of salt.
One misconception I am seeing in this thread is this impression that CO is shallow and Aion is deep. I found it to be quite the opposite.
Aion has no character specs (stigma is gear m'kay?), only a handful of gear stats, limited amounts of gear customization (manastone list is very short), no power selection (samey classes), overly simplistic attribute mechanics, and the most basic of quest variety.
Champions has more quest types (PQ's and patrol missions), gear that borders on the insanely complex with all the procs and gear mechanics, deep and interesting attribute system (INT, END, PRE, STR, DEX, CON, EGO and superstats), and a wide open classless power selection system.
It seems like Aion demands very little from the user. Your choices are limited and you really can't screw up your character out of ignorance. This makes it a 'safe' game for people intimidated by new mechanics. CO on the other hand is a toybox of new game mechanics. There is no 'right' choice, just a bunch of things to experiment with to see what you prefer. With power replacers, role system, new style of crafting, superstats, and an overwhelming number of powers to choose from, it can intimidate some people.
For 'end game' I'm not so sure which one would be better. Both have open world raid bosses, but I definitely wouldn't like getting ganked while trying to fight a raid boss in Aion. CO has the UNITY missions which sound great from everything I have heard even if it is focused more on solo and small group content rather than 20+ person raids. They both have the same goal, epic loot.
Originally posted by stormsoul .... Once again, if you don't like the cash shop, don't use it. ....
Doesn't work that way. If I don't like the cash shop, I just won't touch the game, period.
Originally posted by stormsoul .... And hey, if people putting money into the cash shop allows them to hire an extra zone designer, quest designer, 3d modeler, artist, or whatever to create more content, that seems like a win/win to me. ...
Doesn't work that way either. Whatever developers the cash shop will allow to be hired will be used for augmenting the cash shop primarily. Look at SOE games for past examples.
Xas gets it.
Pfft. If you're out to make a statement about not liking cash shops, I would think you could do so better by playing the game and never using the cash shop at all. Enough players do that and they'll get the message. People who don't play at all aren't even counted in their statistics so they wont care.
Also, while using SOE's cash shops as an example may prove to be true in the long run, we don't actually know it will work out that way here. Cryptic was pretty decent about the fluff costume packs for CoH, IMHO, and I'll at least wait to see what they do before I make rash judgements about it.
This is a somewhat pointless argument because most of us don't know enough about either game to really compare them.
Based on first impressions, they do feel quite different. I'm sure a lot of people will like the familiar gameplay of Aion. Plenty will like the more action based combat of CO. Ultimately, it's the high level gameplay and endgame content that will make the difference.
I have read posts from people playing in Korea that make endgame PvP in Aion sound like it's a lot of fun. Endgame in Aion definitely has a lot more depth than what you can possibly see in a few hours or days of playing the beta.
I also expect that CO will be a lot like CoX in that people are going to roll a LOT of alts. Much of CoX's longevity comes from people creating new characters all the time.
Personally, I'm going to be playing both. From what I've seen, both have a lot of potential. It will be interesting to see whether they burn out like AoC and WAR.
Originally posted by stormsoul .... Once again, if you don't like the cash shop, don't use it. ....
Doesn't work that way. If I don't like the cash shop, I just won't touch the game, period.
Originally posted by stormsoul .... And hey, if people putting money into the cash shop allows them to hire an extra zone designer, quest designer, 3d modeler, artist, or whatever to create more content, that seems like a win/win to me. ...
Doesn't work that way either. Whatever developers the cash shop will allow to be hired will be used for augmenting the cash shop primarily. Look at SOE games for past examples.
Xas gets it.
Pfft. If you're out to make a statement about not liking cash shops, I would think you could do so better by playing the game and never using the cash shop at all. Enough players do that and they'll get the message. People who don't play at all aren't even counted in their statistics so they wont care.
Also, while using SOE's cash shops as an example may prove to be true in the long run, we don't actually know it will work out that way here. Cryptic was pretty decent about the fluff costume packs for CoH, IMHO, and I'll at least wait to see what they do before I make rash judgements about it.
Buying and playing games with cash shops supports Pay to Achieve gaming, and I don't personally want to do that in any form. My statement is in giving my money to the non MT game that accomadates social co-op playing with meaningful PvP and I am happy with that.
Plus the fact that CO seems solo ez mode quest grinding, with a few PvP scenarios thrown in to break things up. Also, the whole system in CO seems to be designed so that every player can be self sufficient, which to me looks like a community killer right there. MMORPGs that have followed this 'only group if you fancy it' path have all turned out to be dull solo quest grinders with little soul in my experience. It makes me wary of CO and tbh whole thing isnt looking attractive to me at all.
People keep telling me that CO is great because it's easy, you get to feel powerful from day 1, and that you can solo all the way through.. well, thats just not the game I am looking for. I only speak from a personal view, and I genuinly wish CO the best, but I am looking for a game that asks for more of me then that. Just because I don't want casual lite instant gratification gaming to zone out to after work, it dosent mean others shouldnt have it. I just know that I get bored in that type of game very very quickly.
Also, I think SOE was pointed out as an example regarding cash shops, I believe, as an example of all extra profits from the cash shop just going right back into the cash shop. I believe SOE actually expanded their dev team once they had sold a few pretend items to specifically develop MT content only. The rest of the game(s) didnt feel the benefit at all.
yea im with Aion becouse CO rely is trying too hard in ease of play and lots of "lone wolf fun" its almost more of a RPG with co-op thats been well made. Aion is rely th classic and what some people think old and borring mmo formula....lots of time will have to be spent before u are strong enougth to tackle those fun raids and survive in pvp. games like CO rely are changign mmos into what they are not, there has to be a place where the player is realisign he is not god not the protagonist hes just another guy thats tryign to succeed. i just like aion for its fun pvp , combat system and overall the beta was sligtly grindi in lvl 16-17 and then again 20-23ish but its not as bad as WoWs grinding not to mention theres lots i havet seen in the patch 1.5 which is the patch that will release will be with+ westernisation patch that suposerdy adds new raids and qests to make it less of a grind. im yet to experience etehr of the games in the higher levels but so far Aion has a 1:0 lead ^^.
p.s. wtf i cant use spell chekker in mmorpg.com =(
Im in both betas. Aion is another cheap korean knock off, like a Gucci bag. Champions has limitless posibility and a lot more potential than Aion could ever have. Also, you'll be dealing with NCSoft with Aion, NCWest to be specific. Expect horrible customer support and to be treated like second class customers behind the korean playerbase.
Well, why play a game though thats pretty much entirely solo, with the community that kind of game breeds, with no endgame concept that isnt solo too, and with a complexity that results in still using auto attack + 2 skills at the end?
See, you can tint it any way you like, but these two games are not comparable in much of an objective way. You probably will have trouble finding people who would stick to both of them the same... they are different approaches, and both have big big drawbacks in many areas, and strengths in others.
CO will likely not be a long-time game, that much I think is certain. But that doesnt mean you can have a blast for a few months either.
Aion is a game for the long run, but that also comes with all the baggage of shifting balance, expansions, patches, and a possible change in focus.
And you can get a beta code if you have a fileplanet subscription (like, $7 for a month)
I love fileplanet. It has all the betas, and makes life easier by basically being a $7 beta code. I'd gladly pay $7 to try out some game's beta, no doubt. Cheap cheap.
Champions...well making characters is fun but beyond that I found the game overly simple, disconnected and disjointed and would get bored very quickly. So I will not buy Champions because I simply find is boring and even cheap feeling and really I found combat in CoH to be better. My other gripe with Champions without getting into specifics is that it is just to dang easy, in fact the easiest mmo I have ever played and for me, I need some sense of danger or else it just becomes a bore and I auto pilot through stuff. Many other gripes as well that I can not get into. Aion I may swing around to buying mainly for the PvP. Otherwise I will just hold out until next year.
You apperantly are a new beta tester. You have no clue my friend about the mechanics later on.
I'm not a new beta tester and I say Sandbox is absolutely right. CO fails, hard.
Champions...well making characters is fun but beyond that I found the game overly simple, disconnected and disjointed and would get bored very quickly. So I will not buy Champions because I simply find is boring and even cheap feeling and really I found combat in CoH to be better. My other gripe with Champions without getting into specifics is that it is just to dang easy, in fact the easiest mmo I have ever played and for me, I need some sense of danger or else it just becomes a bore and I auto pilot through stuff. Many other gripes as well that I can not get into. Aion I may swing around to buying mainly for the PvP. Otherwise I will just hold out until next year.
You apperantly are a new beta tester. You have no clue my friend about the mechanics later on.
I'm not a new beta tester and I say Sandbox is absolutely right. CO fails, hard.
I think that is YOUR opinion. There are others who think that it is pretty well made.
Champions has a lot of variety and choice compared to Aion and has crafting thats important to the game.
Either game is good tbh.
howdy Jim
You gonna be playing either?
hello still playing spellborn or did you give up in the end?
Ill probably give both a go. Aion looks like itll have the long term appeal imo, plus its probably the most polished MMO ive yet played, and thats from a laggy asian server.
Anyways, they're completely different games. They can't really -vs-. Of the two I'll play Aion because I'm not particularly interested in being a superhero in a world of superheroes. Just personal preference. If it turns out to offer something amazing I'll change my mind, of course.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
Champions has a lot of variety and choice compared to Aion and has crafting thats important to the game.
Either game is good tbh.
howdy Jim
You gonna be playing either?
hello still playing spellborn or did you give up in the end?
Ill probably give both a go. Aion looks like itll have the long term appeal imo, plus its probably the most polished MMO ive yet played, and thats from a laggy asian server.
Ahh gave up a bit before that game imploded.. made me sad though.
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Well, CO look like gold sellers/farmers took over and manage the company. And I hate gold sellers/farmers. My opinion also.
When the bots have taken over Aion, which I see happening, just like in L2, then we will revisit this thread about your gold sellers.
When the bots take over Aion, I'll be looking for another game as well. That doesn't mean that I need to tolerate RMT on my MMO. Not where there is nothing positive for the gamers involved.
Xas gets it.
There is one thing having bots in the game and another having bots controlling the economy (as in Lineage 2). It is a valid concern, which rests entirely in the hands of the administrative team of NCsoft west. If they present the level of incompetence that was apparent in Lineage 2, I'll be looking for another game, for certain.
Edit: Battling botting is one thing. Legalising gold farming/selling is another. At the moment we know for certain who does what. We are yet uncertain about the other.
Two very different games and I played chinese Aion and Champions beta.
One is Fantasy
One is Superhero
One gives that epic mmo progression feel
One gives more casual, sock em up feel
To me Aion is that deep mmo that can if done right keep people for years via pvp, raiding and so on like what WoW, EQ and so on. At least until the new Final Fantasy mmo ^^
Champions does not feel overly MMO to me, it is one of course, but does not feel traditional to me. More like of course City of Heroes was and is.
As for fun factor, Im not sure I will be buying either at release.
Aion is a really well made game and will be very enjoyable for many people, my only gripe is very personal and that is that I sort of want something new and Aion reminds me very much of what I have been doing for years now.
Champions...well making characters is fun but beyond that I found the game overly simple, disconnected and disjointed and would get bored very quickly. So I will not buy Champions because I simply find is boring and even cheap feeling and really I found combat in CoH to be better.
My other gripe with Champions without getting into specifics is that it is just to dang easy, in fact the easiest mmo I have ever played and for me, I need some sense of danger or else it just becomes a bore and I auto pilot through stuff. Many other gripes as well that I can not get into.
Aion I may swing around to buying mainly for the PvP. Otherwise I will just hold out until next year.
actually, I like BOTH and will most likely buy BOTH. LoL
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Aion will bite the dust, reason behind this is that CO is something fresh and amazing. I beta tested it and all i can say without breaking nda is that this game will ROCK you socks of.
You apperantly are a new beta tester. You have no clue my friend about the mechanics later on.
Have you tried Aion? If not, then you may be perceived as a little biased. You may want to try both before making up your mind. You may find that Aion has something that you like, as well.
I've played both these games quite a bit over the last couple months and CO wins by a landslide for me. I am a PvE man so take that with the appropriately sized grain of salt.
One misconception I am seeing in this thread is this impression that CO is shallow and Aion is deep. I found it to be quite the opposite.
Aion has no character specs (stigma is gear m'kay?), only a handful of gear stats, limited amounts of gear customization (manastone list is very short), no power selection (samey classes), overly simplistic attribute mechanics, and the most basic of quest variety.
Champions has more quest types (PQ's and patrol missions), gear that borders on the insanely complex with all the procs and gear mechanics, deep and interesting attribute system (INT, END, PRE, STR, DEX, CON, EGO and superstats), and a wide open classless power selection system.
It seems like Aion demands very little from the user. Your choices are limited and you really can't screw up your character out of ignorance. This makes it a 'safe' game for people intimidated by new mechanics. CO on the other hand is a toybox of new game mechanics. There is no 'right' choice, just a bunch of things to experiment with to see what you prefer. With power replacers, role system, new style of crafting, superstats, and an overwhelming number of powers to choose from, it can intimidate some people.
For 'end game' I'm not so sure which one would be better. Both have open world raid bosses, but I definitely wouldn't like getting ganked while trying to fight a raid boss in Aion. CO has the UNITY missions which sound great from everything I have heard even if it is focused more on solo and small group content rather than 20+ person raids. They both have the same goal, epic loot.
ditto.
Xas gets it.
Pfft. If you're out to make a statement about not liking cash shops, I would think you could do so better by playing the game and never using the cash shop at all. Enough players do that and they'll get the message. People who don't play at all aren't even counted in their statistics so they wont care.
Also, while using SOE's cash shops as an example may prove to be true in the long run, we don't actually know it will work out that way here. Cryptic was pretty decent about the fluff costume packs for CoH, IMHO, and I'll at least wait to see what they do before I make rash judgements about it.
A smart man stormsoul is.
This is a somewhat pointless argument because most of us don't know enough about either game to really compare them.
Based on first impressions, they do feel quite different. I'm sure a lot of people will like the familiar gameplay of Aion. Plenty will like the more action based combat of CO. Ultimately, it's the high level gameplay and endgame content that will make the difference.
I have read posts from people playing in Korea that make endgame PvP in Aion sound like it's a lot of fun. Endgame in Aion definitely has a lot more depth than what you can possibly see in a few hours or days of playing the beta.
I also expect that CO will be a lot like CoX in that people are going to roll a LOT of alts. Much of CoX's longevity comes from people creating new characters all the time.
Personally, I'm going to be playing both. From what I've seen, both have a lot of potential. It will be interesting to see whether they burn out like AoC and WAR.
Xas gets it.
Pfft. If you're out to make a statement about not liking cash shops, I would think you could do so better by playing the game and never using the cash shop at all. Enough players do that and they'll get the message. People who don't play at all aren't even counted in their statistics so they wont care.
Also, while using SOE's cash shops as an example may prove to be true in the long run, we don't actually know it will work out that way here. Cryptic was pretty decent about the fluff costume packs for CoH, IMHO, and I'll at least wait to see what they do before I make rash judgements about it.
Buying and playing games with cash shops supports Pay to Achieve gaming, and I don't personally want to do that in any form. My statement is in giving my money to the non MT game that accomadates social co-op playing with meaningful PvP and I am happy with that.
Plus the fact that CO seems solo ez mode quest grinding, with a few PvP scenarios thrown in to break things up. Also, the whole system in CO seems to be designed so that every player can be self sufficient, which to me looks like a community killer right there. MMORPGs that have followed this 'only group if you fancy it' path have all turned out to be dull solo quest grinders with little soul in my experience. It makes me wary of CO and tbh whole thing isnt looking attractive to me at all.
People keep telling me that CO is great because it's easy, you get to feel powerful from day 1, and that you can solo all the way through.. well, thats just not the game I am looking for. I only speak from a personal view, and I genuinly wish CO the best, but I am looking for a game that asks for more of me then that. Just because I don't want casual lite instant gratification gaming to zone out to after work, it dosent mean others shouldnt have it. I just know that I get bored in that type of game very very quickly.
Also, I think SOE was pointed out as an example regarding cash shops, I believe, as an example of all extra profits from the cash shop just going right back into the cash shop. I believe SOE actually expanded their dev team once they had sold a few pretend items to specifically develop MT content only. The rest of the game(s) didnt feel the benefit at all.
Champions has a lot of variety and choice compared to Aion and has crafting thats important to the game.
Either game is good tbh.
yea im with Aion becouse CO rely is trying too hard in ease of play and lots of "lone wolf fun" its almost more of a RPG with co-op thats been well made. Aion is rely th classic and what some people think old and borring mmo formula....lots of time will have to be spent before u are strong enougth to tackle those fun raids and survive in pvp. games like CO rely are changign mmos into what they are not, there has to be a place where the player is realisign he is not god not the protagonist hes just another guy thats tryign to succeed. i just like aion for its fun pvp , combat system and overall the beta was sligtly grindi in lvl 16-17 and then again 20-23ish but its not as bad as WoWs grinding not to mention theres lots i havet seen in the patch 1.5 which is the patch that will release will be with+ westernisation patch that suposerdy adds new raids and qests to make it less of a grind. im yet to experience etehr of the games in the higher levels but so far Aion has a 1:0 lead ^^.
p.s. wtf i cant use spell chekker in mmorpg.com =(
howdy Jim
You gonna be playing either?
Im in both betas. Aion is another cheap korean knock off, like a Gucci bag. Champions has limitless posibility and a lot more potential than Aion could ever have. Also, you'll be dealing with NCSoft with Aion, NCWest to be specific. Expect horrible customer support and to be treated like second class customers behind the korean playerbase.
Well, why play a game though thats pretty much entirely solo, with the community that kind of game breeds, with no endgame concept that isnt solo too, and with a complexity that results in still using auto attack + 2 skills at the end?
See, you can tint it any way you like, but these two games are not comparable in much of an objective way. You probably will have trouble finding people who would stick to both of them the same... they are different approaches, and both have big big drawbacks in many areas, and strengths in others.
CO will likely not be a long-time game, that much I think is certain. But that doesnt mean you can have a blast for a few months either.
Aion is a game for the long run, but that also comes with all the baggage of shifting balance, expansions, patches, and a possible change in focus.
But objectively, you cant compare them really.
And you can get a beta code if you have a fileplanet subscription (like, $7 for a month)
I love fileplanet. It has all the betas, and makes life easier by basically being a $7 beta code. I'd gladly pay $7 to try out some game's beta, no doubt. Cheap cheap.
You apperantly are a new beta tester. You have no clue my friend about the mechanics later on.
I'm not a new beta tester and I say Sandbox is absolutely right. CO fails, hard.
You apperantly are a new beta tester. You have no clue my friend about the mechanics later on.
I'm not a new beta tester and I say Sandbox is absolutely right. CO fails, hard.
I think that is YOUR opinion. There are others who think that it is pretty well made.
howdy Jim
You gonna be playing either?
hello
still playing spellborn or did you give up in the end?
Ill probably give both a go. Aion looks like itll have the long term appeal imo, plus its probably the most polished MMO ive yet played, and thats from a laggy asian server.
Such a good way to incite a flaming war.
Anyways, they're completely different games. They can't really -vs-. Of the two I'll play Aion because I'm not particularly interested in being a superhero in a world of superheroes. Just personal preference. If it turns out to offer something amazing I'll change my mind, of course.
Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.
howdy Jim
You gonna be playing either?
hello
still playing spellborn or did you give up in the end?
Ill probably give both a go. Aion looks like itll have the long term appeal imo, plus its probably the most polished MMO ive yet played, and thats from a laggy asian server.
Ahh gave up a bit before that game imploded.. made me sad though.
Give me a tell if you start Aion ok?