Just when I think the WoW peeps decided to go chill out and drink some Chai Tea, someone had to go and pee in their cheerios.
I know someone else has already said this, but numbers don't make the game. With that being said, I wish success to AION but if it doesn't become mainstream popular, that wont bother me one bit.
Aion will never reach anywhere close to Wows numbers let alone break and hold 5 million a year after realease. reasons being,
1. For coming up on 5 years how many MMOs has Blizzard published?
1, and they have had all their support towards that. updates that kept it fresh enough for the people progressing at insane speeds, be it Arenas or Pve raiding. People saying they hate wow for updating so constantly ,sound like idiots to me, that or they lacked the tenacity and Skill to focus on achieving those items. Blizzard is forced by a vast amount of its players to constantly expand cause of their quick progression. guilds where clearing Herioc Uld months after release.
How many has Ncsoft released 4? 5?
2. how many are they both releasing in the coming years?
Blizzard 1
NcSoft 3+
thats one thing that has me worried about Aion is the company behind it .its resources seem far spread out to give it any focus. they lack support for its players too. No west coast or Oceanic servers. They say its nearly impossible for them to implement them Oo. Support for Mac? Nope will probably never happen and as more an more people adopt Mac as their source for entertainment less for Ncsoft. blizzards main focus is to its players which is why it makes us with a hadrcore appeal leave,cause they down their gameplay to the more casual.
Ncsoft will make a Aion killer before blizzard does, and how stupid is that? plenty of people i play with are waiting on GWII and another Batch are waiting for Blades and Soul
about 2 years(speaculation) from now when blizzards new mmo hits how many people will leave Ncsoft Related MMos for it. pretty sure a lot since aion fanboys complain about wow graphics so much if wow had next gen graphics doubt anyone would leave it and many would go back for its features. Iphone updates, Westerization of things like Star wars, Nepolean Donomite, Mc Hammer, EPIC thats why it to me has a cartoony feel.
Just when I think the WoW peeps decided to go chill out and drink some Chai Tea, someone had to go and pee in their cheerios. I know someone else has already said this, but numbers don't make the game.
With that being said, I wish success to AION but if it doesn't become mainstream popular, that wont bother me one bit.
i havent really seen anything irrational about what people have been saying about WoW or Aion really, feel free 2 troll some WoW fans more? i dont see why everyone has to obsess about games "beating" Wow, who cares.. games and players should hope to be as successful as WoW, the publishers / devs themselves usually say things like "i only hope we can be as sucessful as blizzard has been" so why the hell do we need to make a big deal about the game killing WoW, honestly no game is going to kill WoW, the only thing that will kill WoW is blizzard. People need to accept facts.
I cant quite make sense of that post. Are you calling me a troll? I am a AION fan in the AION forums and I didnt make any derogatory remarks about WoW or its fans.
callin out the wow players basically saying they needed to chill out.. you may aswell be trying to start an argument.
not all WoW players are hot headed and immature. the actions of some dont speak for the masses.
call me troll all you want but I have right to critize wow, I have played wow before BC came out, and well yeah, Aion is soo much better. TRUE it the end game content with raids Black temple and Uldal, ect fun... But thats all you do , grind raids for gear, and once you get all the gear, so you are strong on pve. I rather spend my time pvping.. and I know Aion pvp will basicly different every time or like siege on castle on Lineage 2. Unlike wow where I know Alliance will win 90% of the games in AV or ainchents... so yeah I know in Aion, there will be a NPC faction will be there to keep the balance more or less from being all strong
call me troll all you want but I have right to critize wow, I have played wow before BC came out, and well yeah, Aion is soo much better. TRUE it the end game content with raids Black temple and Uldal, ect fun... But thats all you do , grind raids for gear, and once you get all the gear, so you are strong on pve. I rather spend my time pvping.. and I know Aion pvp will basicly different every time or like siege on castle on Lineage 2. Unlike wow where I know Alliance will win 90% of the games in AV or ainchents... so yeah I know in Aion, there will be a NPC faction will be there to keep the balance more or less from being all strong
yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
call me troll all you want but I have right to critize wow, I have played wow before BC came out, and well yeah, Aion is soo much better. TRUE it the end game content with raids Black temple and Uldal, ect fun... But thats all you do , grind raids for gear, and once you get all the gear, so you are strong on pve. I rather spend my time pvping.. and I know Aion pvp will basicly different every time or like siege on castle on Lineage 2. Unlike wow where I know Alliance will win 90% of the games in AV or ainchents... so yeah I know in Aion, there will be a NPC faction will be there to keep the balance more or less from being all strong
yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
Are you kidding? After 3.2 doesn't everyone have high end raid gear?
As most people like to discount WoW Asia subs then Aion has ZERO subscribers as all are currently asia subs. But if the Aion community really want to turn this into a numbers game the real test will be if in 5 years from now if.....
Aion has continued to grow and holds 5 million western subs as WoW currently has done.
Considering the rapidly growing number of MMO games to the market and the upcoming release of SWTOR this is, for the most part, unlikely. Aion and its expansion will have to be the top 5 monthly sales spots for ALL that time just a WoW has been
See above response to item number one. Expansions will need to sell 2.4-2.8 million pre-orders and go on to sell 3.5-4.0 million in the first month (in the west) just as WoW & its expansions have.
See above response to item number one. Will need to be around 450 western servers open to cater to such a huge population, just as WoW has.
See above response to item number one. We will need official press-releases that clearly state how NCsoft count Aion subs, just as Blizzard does.
See above...hold on, what's that? Oh, SWTOR's been released. Excuse me, I'll have to get back to you on that last question...or that's right no one cares anymore, SWTOR's out! Whoohoo!
call me troll all you want but I have right to critize wow, I have played wow before BC came out, and well yeah, Aion is soo much better. TRUE it the end game content with raids Black temple and Uldal, ect fun... But thats all you do , grind raids for gear, and once you get all the gear, so you are strong on pve. I rather spend my time pvping.. and I know Aion pvp will basicly different every time or like siege on castle on Lineage 2. Unlike wow where I know Alliance will win 90% of the games in AV or ainchents... so yeah I know in Aion, there will be a NPC faction will be there to keep the balance more or less from being all strong
yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
Are you kidding? After 3.2 doesn't everyone have high end raid gear?
yeah doesnt make you good enough to complete the GToTc or even for people to let you into their raid groups. mind you high end raid gear these days requires the trophies of triumph, which have only been out for a couple of weeks running now, so not many people at all have that gear.
call me troll all you want but I have right to critize wow, I have played wow before BC came out, and well yeah, Aion is soo much better. TRUE it the end game content with raids Black temple and Uldal, ect fun... But thats all you do , grind raids for gear, and once you get all the gear, so you are strong on pve. I rather spend my time pvping.. and I know Aion pvp will basicly different every time or like siege on castle on Lineage 2. Unlike wow where I know Alliance will win 90% of the games in AV or ainchents... so yeah I know in Aion, there will be a NPC faction will be there to keep the balance more or less from being all strong
yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
Are you kidding? After 3.2 doesn't everyone have high end raid gear?
Your right, I dont have I dont have all, just half... almost all T8.5 gear not all though and 10 of those fragments for the orange healing mace I need. but thats all I do at 80 so I pvp and pvp in wow is alliance favor, pvping on horde side sucks. But after heroics... all you do is grind raids. I rather pvp end game
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks this game will do anything remotely as well as WoW does in the US /EU markets. It will be lucky if it holds 150k players at teh 6 month mark.
As most people like to discount WoW Asia subs then Aion has ZERO subscribers as all are currently asia subs. But if the Aion community really want to turn this into a numbers game the real test will be if in 5 years from now if.....
Aion has continued to grow and holds 5 million western subs as WoW currently has done.
Considering the rapidly growing number of MMO games to the market and the upcoming release of SWTOR this is, for the most part, unlikely. Aion and its expansion will have to be the top 5 monthly sales spots for ALL that time just a WoW has been
See above response to item number one. Expansions will need to sell 2.4-2.8 million pre-orders and go on to sell 3.5-4.0 million in the first month (in the west) just as WoW & its expansions have.
See above response to item number one. Will need to be around 450 western servers open to cater to such a huge population, just as WoW has.
See above response to item number one. We will need official press-releases that clearly state how NCsoft count Aion subs, just as Blizzard does.
See above...hold on, what's that? Oh, SWTOR's been released. Excuse me, I'll have to get back to you on that last question...or that's right no one cares anymore, SWTOR's out! Whoohoo!
See above responses in green.
I highly doubt SWOTR will be even much of a factor. You're talking about two different settings despite the fact it is in the same genre and also totally different game designs. Significantly, SWOTR is sci-fi and it'll draw in the people that are mainly playing sci fi or experiencing sci fi through other medias right now. People play Aion for a specific goal which caters to a specific audience and SWOTR caters to a significantly different audience with more emphasis on story and choices (which most likely will be instanced for the most part in order to even create this type of depth in story). I don't see how SWOTR even comes into the picture in regards to Aion and its future. MMORPG players don't have this general shared interest like other types of players do, it varies much more especially due to the multitudes of game designs released for the genre as well as settings/backdrops. Both games are too different for them to be able to affect each other significantly.
Originally posted by mbrodie9 Originally posted by logangregor
Originally posted by mbrodie9
Originally posted by logangregor
Why oh WHY was this thread made?
Just when I think the WoW peeps decided to go chill out and drink some Chai Tea, someone had to go and pee in their cheerios. I know someone else has already said this, but numbers don't make the game. With that being said, I wish success to AION but if it doesn't become mainstream popular, that wont bother me one bit.
i havent really seen anything irrational about what people have been saying about WoW or Aion really, feel free 2 troll some WoW fans more? i dont see why everyone has to obsess about games "beating" Wow, who cares.. games and players should hope to be as successful as WoW, the publishers / devs themselves usually say things like "i only hope we can be as sucessful as blizzard has been" so why the hell do we need to make a big deal about the game killing WoW, honestly no game is going to kill WoW, the only thing that will kill WoW is blizzard. People need to accept facts.
I cant quite make sense of that post. Are you calling me a troll? I am a AION fan in the AION forums and I didnt make any derogatory remarks about WoW or its fans.
callin out the wow players basically saying they needed to chill out.. you may aswell be trying to start an argument. not all WoW players are hot headed and immature. the actions of some dont speak for the masses.
I didnt say the WoWers needed to chill out, I said they had. I could of said Fanboys to be more specific but someone would of got butthurt about that as well.
How specific do I have to be so as not to offend someone?
WoW fanatics...oh wait cant say that.
Or maybe worshippers or followers. Naw couldnt really say that either I guess.
I got it!!
WoW ENTHUSIASTS!!
SO lets start this again,
During much of closed beta, open beta and really open beta, the frequency of WoW enthusiasts on these forums was increasing to a near all out frenzy.
WoW WOW WOWWWW WOWWW Cataclysm posts on AION boards. Rehashed topics repeated over and over again. Will AION KILL WOW? AIONs numbers are exaggerated!?!?!
It got old very quickly. I was happy to see the forum slowly wind down to a calmer arena for discussion about AION.
So call me crazy, but I dont care for posts that call out the WoW Enthusiasts.
3.5 M is nothing and also you can't count people in China since they don't pay by the month, they pay by the hours. They could just pay once then stop playing. I know that because I was playing on Chinese server.
Nearly half of wow numbers come from china ,if blizz can add these numbers why not NCsoft
If fact, you are right, WOW couldn't say they have 11 M players anymore, since they are in BETA in China atm. Most of people are not paying yet. I think about 5M are players in China.
Being the biggest doesn't make it the best and being the best doesn't make it the biggest
Best game, most popular game will get the most subs, making it the biggest. Fail game will get the least subs or even shut down. So imo numbers do reflect a game correctly.
However, the most popular game doesn't mean everyone will like it, this i accept and agree...
Yep this is one that always gets me; is people expect these developers to make a game that is everything to everyone. That's just not possible. All they can do is come up with an idea and push it out there to see if anyone bites. In the case of WoW obviously a lot of people took it; but, it was purely because of the simplicity and the smooth performance of the game as well as the ability to add on mods with ease. If you over complicate things like in a sand box then it quickly turns into a nitch game with a small population of hardcore fans; then on the other side you can't make it too simple like on WAR; then you leave everyone with nothing to do.
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O^o Scource http://www.mmodata.net/ hmm if its true it could overtake WoW & be the biggest mmorpg worldwide. Probably will take a couple of years but NCsoft won't care as they gonna make a big profit anyway.
Well I'm hoping you're right, if Aion could pass WoW, of if Aion has 3.5 million, it is the second biggest MMO ever.
saying about how great this game is gonna be now is useless since it havent even release yet. Once it is release for about 3 months we'll no how great this game is gonna be because alot people wont play a game which is just out and most of them wanna have the free trial first then maybe subs on it.
I wouldn't brag too much about Aion subsriptions at the moment. The western launch is set to launch at around 300K players NCSoft admitted. That is btw confirmed by the number of servers: 12US/12EU and confirmed by the numbers of current Beta.
see Xfire to view the upcoming trends. What is bothering is that play in Beta is less than expected. The are only at around 50% ot the original Bate launches of AoC and WAR, which stood at 500 K a few days before launch. Also the famous 3.5 M Aion eastern players were never confrimed by NCsoft either. The number of present day Aion servers shows it is more around 1.8/1.9 M. They don't have the number of servers to host that not confirmed 3.5.
But that is to be expected. Aion is a brand new mmorpg where as both Warhammer and Age of Conan are built on more successful IPs and simply had a better marketing push.
With that said, people playing at launch really doesn't say much about the future of the game. Both AoC and Warhammer Online had huge successful launches and look at them now. The people who pre - ordered are the ones who are just interested in Aion. 300k before the reviews come out, before word of mouth and before the game has spend time on the shelves is pretty good for a game that is not built on a big IP.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks this game will do anything remotely as well as WoW does in the US /EU markets. It will be lucky if it holds 150k players at teh 6 month mark.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
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Originally posted by Kaocan Originally posted by Teala I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks this game will do anything remotely as well as WoW does in the US /EU markets. It will be lucky if it holds 150k players at teh 6 month mark.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months. See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall. http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/WoW.png
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
Originally posted by Gameloading But that is to be expected. Aion is a brand new mmorpg where as both Warhammer and Age of Conan are built on more successful IPs and simply had a better marketing push.
With that said, people playing at launch really doesn't say much about the future of the game. Both AoC and Warhammer Online had huge successful launches and look at them now. The people who pre - ordered are the ones who are just interested in Aion. 300k before the reviews come out, before word of mouth and before the game has spend time on the shelves is pretty good for a game that is not built on a big IP.
I've seen an awful lot of adds for Aion, both in print and on the interwebnets. Not to discourage discourse, I wish something would kill WoW a little so we could move on. Every ex-pac I lose more alts because I have little or no will to grind them all to the cap. I think I have 12 toons over 60, 8 are over 70 and of those three or four are 80.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks this game will do anything remotely as well as WoW does in the US /EU markets. It will be lucky if it holds 150k players at teh 6 month mark.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
It is possible that they dont rise above 200k, if people continue to feed potential players false information and inaccurate game play reviews it might just happen. America is far to easily swayed by others opinions these days. Instead of doing thier own research they rely heavily on others to do it for them. Unfortuanetly in the MMO game world, most of those doing the reviews on new games are the ones that hardly if ever played it and/or are heavily biased against it for one reason or another. Just look at any forum out there and you will see it, doesn't matter what the new game is, there is always 5 posts for and 50 posts against it long before it even comes out live. One negative review feeds another 20 with the assumptions made by one feeding yet further assumptions by the next. WoW only has it's user base now because this practice wasn't around 5 years ago when they started. Had it been in place then I doubt it would have gotten anywhere close to where it is today.
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I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks this game will do anything remotely as well as WoW does in the US /EU markets. It will be lucky if it holds 150k players at teh 6 month mark.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
It amazes me how much World of Warcraft has changed the tune of what a successful MMO should be.
Before Wow, a MMO with 200k subscribers, while wouldn't be a run-away success, it would be doing quite well. Most other MMO's seem to shoot for 200-400k subscribers throughout MMO history.
So what does that say about Wow? It says that in the MMO industry it is an outlier, not a standard.
I enjoyed Wow for 4 years. I quit recently. Not because of any one reason, but just because I have played through my enjoyment of it and are looking for something new. I do not understand why you say Aion will fail? What reason are you giving for this? They seem to be doing well in making a quaility product and their customer support has seemed great so far.
I think Champions Online will fail because of the lack of decent support and communication and understanding of it's issues, but I think Aion will do okay. It will not 'kill' Wow, because wow is not a standard MMO that needs to be killed.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks this game will do anything remotely as well as WoW does in the US /EU markets. It will be lucky if it holds 150k players at teh 6 month mark.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
It amazes me how much World of Warcraft has changed the tune of what a successful MMO should be.
Before Wow, a MMO with 200k subscribers, while wouldn't be a run-away success, it would be doing quite well. Most other MMO's seem to shoot for 200-400k subscribers throughout MMO history.
So what does that say about Wow? It says that in the MMO industry it is an outlier, not a standard.
I enjoyed Wow for 4 years. I quit recently. Not because of any one reason, but just because I have played through my enjoyment of it and are looking for something new. I do not understand why you say Aion will fail? What reason are you giving for this? They seem to be doing well in making a quaility product and their customer support has seemed great so far.
I think Champions Online will fail because of the lack of decent support and communication and understanding of it's issues, but I think Aion will do okay. It will not 'kill' Wow, because wow is not a standard MMO that needs to be killed.
World of WarCraft supports the casual gamer and therefore is successful.
However, MMOs with more than 200k subscribers before WoW were:
This just proves that the rest of the world loves big tits and half naked girls just as much as Asians do. (and for the girls "pretty" boy toons).
Aion wanted to be Second only to WoW and they have already done that before the game has hit worldwide. Big congrats to them. Hope they keep on rocking.
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Aion will never reach anywhere close to Wows numbers let alone break and hold 5 million a year after realease. reasons being,
1. For coming up on 5 years how many MMOs has Blizzard published?
1, and they have had all their support towards that. updates that kept it fresh enough for the people progressing at insane speeds, be it Arenas or Pve raiding. People saying they hate wow for updating so constantly ,sound like idiots to me, that or they lacked the tenacity and Skill to focus on achieving those items. Blizzard is forced by a vast amount of its players to constantly expand cause of their quick progression. guilds where clearing Herioc Uld months after release.
How many has Ncsoft released 4? 5?
2. how many are they both releasing in the coming years?
Blizzard 1
NcSoft 3+
thats one thing that has me worried about Aion is the company behind it .its resources seem far spread out to give it any focus. they lack support for its players too. No west coast or Oceanic servers. They say its nearly impossible for them to implement them Oo. Support for Mac? Nope will probably never happen and as more an more people adopt Mac as their source for entertainment less for Ncsoft. blizzards main focus is to its players which is why it makes us with a hadrcore appeal leave,cause they down their gameplay to the more casual.
Ncsoft will make a Aion killer before blizzard does, and how stupid is that? plenty of people i play with are waiting on GWII and another Batch are waiting for Blades and Soul
about 2 years(speaculation) from now when blizzards new mmo hits how many people will leave Ncsoft Related MMos for it. pretty sure a lot since aion fanboys complain about wow graphics so much if wow had next gen graphics doubt anyone would leave it and many would go back for its features. Iphone updates, Westerization of things like Star wars, Nepolean Donomite, Mc Hammer, EPIC thats why it to me has a cartoony feel.
i havent really seen anything irrational about what people have been saying about WoW or Aion really, feel free 2 troll some WoW fans more? i dont see why everyone has to obsess about games "beating" Wow, who cares.. games and players should hope to be as successful as WoW, the publishers / devs themselves usually say things like "i only hope we can be as sucessful as blizzard has been" so why the hell do we need to make a big deal about the game killing WoW, honestly no game is going to kill WoW, the only thing that will kill WoW is blizzard. People need to accept facts.
I cant quite make sense of that post. Are you calling me a troll? I am a AION fan in the AION forums and I didnt make any derogatory remarks about WoW or its fans.
callin out the wow players basically saying they needed to chill out.. you may aswell be trying to start an argument.
not all WoW players are hot headed and immature. the actions of some dont speak for the masses.
call me troll all you want but I have right to critize wow, I have played wow before BC came out, and well yeah, Aion is soo much better. TRUE it the end game content with raids Black temple and Uldal, ect fun... But thats all you do , grind raids for gear, and once you get all the gear, so you are strong on pve. I rather spend my time pvping.. and I know Aion pvp will basicly different every time or like siege on castle on Lineage 2. Unlike wow where I know Alliance will win 90% of the games in AV or ainchents... so yeah I know in Aion, there will be a NPC faction will be there to keep the balance more or less from being all strong
playing:Aion, shot online.
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yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
Are you kidding? After 3.2 doesn't everyone have high end raid gear?
See above responses in green.
Your fail comment, failed.
yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
Are you kidding? After 3.2 doesn't everyone have high end raid gear?
yeah doesnt make you good enough to complete the GToTc or even for people to let you into their raid groups. mind you high end raid gear these days requires the trophies of triumph, which have only been out for a couple of weeks running now, so not many people at all have that gear.
yeah i've played WoW since launch and i highly doubt you have high end raid gear. in fact i'm willing to bet you dont and aion is your way out of not being able to get good raid groups etc... in WoW
Are you kidding? After 3.2 doesn't everyone have high end raid gear?
Your right, I dont have I dont have all, just half... almost all T8.5 gear not all though and 10 of those fragments for the orange healing mace I need. but thats all I do at 80 so I pvp and pvp in wow is alliance favor, pvping on horde side sucks. But after heroics... all you do is grind raids. I rather pvp end game
playing:Aion, shot online.
waiting for: Terra
Used to play:wow,EQ,EQ2,Rf Online, lineage II,Raganoke online.
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I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks this game will do anything remotely as well as WoW does in the US /EU markets. It will be lucky if it holds 150k players at teh 6 month mark.
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I highly doubt SWOTR will be even much of a factor. You're talking about two different settings despite the fact it is in the same genre and also totally different game designs. Significantly, SWOTR is sci-fi and it'll draw in the people that are mainly playing sci fi or experiencing sci fi through other medias right now. People play Aion for a specific goal which caters to a specific audience and SWOTR caters to a significantly different audience with more emphasis on story and choices (which most likely will be instanced for the most part in order to even create this type of depth in story). I don't see how SWOTR even comes into the picture in regards to Aion and its future. MMORPG players don't have this general shared interest like other types of players do, it varies much more especially due to the multitudes of game designs released for the genre as well as settings/backdrops. Both games are too different for them to be able to affect each other significantly.
i havent really seen anything irrational about what people have been saying about WoW or Aion really, feel free 2 troll some WoW fans more? i dont see why everyone has to obsess about games "beating" Wow, who cares.. games and players should hope to be as successful as WoW, the publishers / devs themselves usually say things like "i only hope we can be as sucessful as blizzard has been" so why the hell do we need to make a big deal about the game killing WoW, honestly no game is going to kill WoW, the only thing that will kill WoW is blizzard. People need to accept facts.
I cant quite make sense of that post. Are you calling me a troll? I am a AION fan in the AION forums and I didnt make any derogatory remarks about WoW or its fans.
callin out the wow players basically saying they needed to chill out.. you may aswell be trying to start an argument.
not all WoW players are hot headed and immature. the actions of some dont speak for the masses.
I didnt say the WoWers needed to chill out, I said they had.
I could of said Fanboys to be more specific but someone would of got butthurt about that as well.
How specific do I have to be so as not to offend someone?
WoW fanatics...oh wait cant say that.
Or maybe worshippers or followers.
Naw couldnt really say that either I guess.
I got it!!
WoW ENTHUSIASTS!!
SO lets start this again,
During much of closed beta, open beta and really open beta, the frequency of WoW enthusiasts on these forums was increasing to a near all out frenzy.
WoW WOW WOWWWW WOWWW
Cataclysm posts on AION boards.
Rehashed topics repeated over and over again.
Will AION KILL WOW?
AIONs numbers are exaggerated!?!?!
It got old very quickly.
I was happy to see the forum slowly wind down to a calmer arena for discussion about AION.
So call me crazy, but I dont care for posts that call out the WoW Enthusiasts.
Nearly half of wow numbers come from china ,if blizz can add these numbers why not NCsoft
If fact, you are right, WOW couldn't say they have 11 M players anymore, since they are in BETA in China atm. Most of people are not paying yet. I think about 5M are players in China.
www.gamespot.com/news/6202679.html Read yourself
pc.gamespy.com/pc/world-of-warcraft/1002582p1.html
Best game, most popular game will get the most subs, making it the biggest. Fail game will get the least subs or even shut down. So imo numbers do reflect a game correctly.
However, the most popular game doesn't mean everyone will like it, this i accept and agree...
Yep this is one that always gets me; is people expect these developers to make a game that is everything to everyone. That's just not possible. All they can do is come up with an idea and push it out there to see if anyone bites. In the case of WoW obviously a lot of people took it; but, it was purely because of the simplicity and the smooth performance of the game as well as the ability to add on mods with ease. If you over complicate things like in a sand box then it quickly turns into a nitch game with a small population of hardcore fans; then on the other side you can't make it too simple like on WAR; then you leave everyone with nothing to do.
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Well I'm hoping you're right, if Aion could pass WoW, of if Aion has 3.5 million, it is the second biggest MMO ever.
saying about how great this game is gonna be now is useless since it havent even release yet. Once it is release for about 3 months we'll no how great this game is gonna be because alot people wont play a game which is just out and most of them wanna have the free trial first then maybe subs on it.
But that is to be expected. Aion is a brand new mmorpg where as both Warhammer and Age of Conan are built on more successful IPs and simply had a better marketing push.
With that said, people playing at launch really doesn't say much about the future of the game. Both AoC and Warhammer Online had huge successful launches and look at them now. The people who pre - ordered are the ones who are just interested in Aion. 300k before the reviews come out, before word of mouth and before the game has spend time on the shelves is pretty good for a game that is not built on a big IP.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/WoW.png
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/WoW.png
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
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I've seen an awful lot of adds for Aion, both in print and on the interwebnets. Not to discourage discourse, I wish something would kill WoW a little so we could move on. Every ex-pac I lose more alts because I have little or no will to grind them all to the cap. I think I have 12 toons over 60, 8 are over 70 and of those three or four are 80.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/WoW.png
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
It is possible that they dont rise above 200k, if people continue to feed potential players false information and inaccurate game play reviews it might just happen. America is far to easily swayed by others opinions these days. Instead of doing thier own research they rely heavily on others to do it for them. Unfortuanetly in the MMO game world, most of those doing the reviews on new games are the ones that hardly if ever played it and/or are heavily biased against it for one reason or another. Just look at any forum out there and you will see it, doesn't matter what the new game is, there is always 5 posts for and 50 posts against it long before it even comes out live. One negative review feeds another 20 with the assumptions made by one feeding yet further assumptions by the next. WoW only has it's user base now because this practice wasn't around 5 years ago when they started. Had it been in place then I doubt it would have gotten anywhere close to where it is today.
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/WoW.png
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
It amazes me how much World of Warcraft has changed the tune of what a successful MMO should be.
Before Wow, a MMO with 200k subscribers, while wouldn't be a run-away success, it would be doing quite well. Most other MMO's seem to shoot for 200-400k subscribers throughout MMO history.
So what does that say about Wow? It says that in the MMO industry it is an outlier, not a standard.
I enjoyed Wow for 4 years. I quit recently. Not because of any one reason, but just because I have played through my enjoyment of it and are looking for something new. I do not understand why you say Aion will fail? What reason are you giving for this? They seem to be doing well in making a quaility product and their customer support has seemed great so far.
I think Champions Online will fail because of the lack of decent support and communication and understanding of it's issues, but I think Aion will do okay. It will not 'kill' Wow, because wow is not a standard MMO that needs to be killed.
I can't help but laugh if anyone thinks they know what EVERYONE in the US/EU markets will do with thier money and time. This poster will be lucky if they dont' get beat up at least 6 times in the next 6 months.
See, others can assume stuff to. Aion will do what Aion will do. Oh and to be accurate, the total number of US/EU subs in WOW, make up the smallest portions of thier overall.
http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/WoW.png
That "smallest portion" is over 5 million active subs each paying 15 a month. That "smallest portion" also accounts for the vast majority of WoW's revenue stream.
Asian accounts don't count for much, they're there as marketing figures, the real money is made in the West.
And just for the record, I too believe 3 months from now AION will be under 200k subs in the WEST.
It amazes me how much World of Warcraft has changed the tune of what a successful MMO should be.
Before Wow, a MMO with 200k subscribers, while wouldn't be a run-away success, it would be doing quite well. Most other MMO's seem to shoot for 200-400k subscribers throughout MMO history.
So what does that say about Wow? It says that in the MMO industry it is an outlier, not a standard.
I enjoyed Wow for 4 years. I quit recently. Not because of any one reason, but just because I have played through my enjoyment of it and are looking for something new. I do not understand why you say Aion will fail? What reason are you giving for this? They seem to be doing well in making a quaility product and their customer support has seemed great so far.
I think Champions Online will fail because of the lack of decent support and communication and understanding of it's issues, but I think Aion will do okay. It will not 'kill' Wow, because wow is not a standard MMO that needs to be killed.
World of WarCraft supports the casual gamer and therefore is successful.
However, MMOs with more than 200k subscribers before WoW were:
Runescape
Lineage
Final Fantasy XI
...and EverQuest
and those were good games
This just proves that the rest of the world loves big tits and half naked girls just as much as Asians do. (and for the girls "pretty" boy toons).
Aion wanted to be Second only to WoW and they have already done that before the game has hit worldwide. Big congrats to them. Hope they keep on rocking.
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