I'm actually kind of worried about how they will handle the combat and their phrase 'slow and stately' is why.
I'm going to use PoTBS as an example; combat with smaller ships be it against other smalls or even large consists of hit and run attacks, quick runs in, unload damage and then back out. It's only when you have the larger fleet actions do you see the 'slow and stately' battle lines / follow the leader lines going at it.
For ST why would you hobble a Bird of Prey into fighting like a Galaxy class? Each has it's own unique strengths and weaknesses. I'd rather see that reflected in quicker/higher manuver numbers for the smaller more nimble ships and slow/lower for the Large vessels.
I agree with them that ALL COMBAT shouldn't be a 3D dogfight situation, but put 3 Definant's up against 3 Birds of Prey and I think that's exactly what it SHOULD look like.
On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer,
The Romulan Empire is crumbling,
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer,
The Romulan Empire is crumbling,
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer,
The Romulan Empire is crumbling,
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
whew! don't mind me, I am too tired to be writing on these forums right now...thanks
On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer,
The Romulan Empire is crumbling,
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
Well their only other games to date were the CoX series and they went through NcSoft NA for those. Whether or not they will do this again is not known at this time but the way they sold CoX to NcSoft and pulled out I doubt it. They will either self publish or they will let Atari handle it. I highly doubt SOE will be involved at all.
Gorn, Nausicaans and Orion are on the Klingon side. [CZ4] Humans, Vulcans, Bajorans, Andorians, Ferengi, and Tellarites are playable Federation races. [GI186] On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer, and apparently entering into hostilities with the Gorn Hegemony.
They should probably decide whether Gorn are friends or enemies of the Empire. These two points are completely at odds with each other.
Maybe it's more of a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation? The Orion Syndicate and the Federation are certainly hostile to each other, even if not at outright war. The Nausicans and the Gorn have never been friendly to the Federation. So perhaps the Gorn and the KE are uneasy allies - as long as they have something greater than themselves to worry about, they'll work together, but once that's dealt with...
An interesting point, but I get the feeling that you will be playing a Gorn as a member of the Klingon Faction. There are only going to be two factions in game and that will be Federation and Klingon.
The Klingons entered into hostiliteis with the Gorn in the last couple "Path to 2409" articles released by Cryptic. Cryptic has already said that the Gorn will be in the Klingon faction. This isn't as much an inconsistency as it is just a plot development tool. It's pretty clear that either the Klingons will conquer the Gorn or the two will come to some sort of agreement/mutual respect by 2409 (still about 20 years away).
On top of being at war with the Federation, the Klingon Empire has annexed Romulan space, reclaiming Khitomer,
The Romulan Empire is crumbling,
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
Well their only other games to date were the CoX series and they went through NcSoft NA for those. Whether or not they will do this again is not known at this time but the way they sold CoX to NcSoft and pulled out I doubt it. They will either self publish or they will let Atari handle it. I highly doubt SOE will be involved at all.
Bren
So that's how internet rumors start
SOE has nothing to do with STO at all. They only came into this conversation when Ktanner made an off comment about them and PoTBS and I asked a question. Other than that nada.
If anyone cares; FLS designed, financed and runs (servers) PoTBS. FLS is involved with SOE only in letting SOE collect the monthly payments and routing FLS's launcher signal through SOE equipment (both of which have caused problems).
I apoligize to all for mentioning SOE's name. Sorry for any confusion.
Added a part on bridge crew and their importance to your captain:
"Also important is your crew. Your Bridge Crew will have the biggest impact on what you can do, because they have skills and abilities you can call on that will help define your role. If you select a tactical officer who can load spreads of photon torpedoes, you will have different options than a Captain who picked an engineer specialized in shield modulation and efficiency. The number of your Bridge Crew active at any given time depends on your ship configuration. "
i aggree, anything soe touches turns to shit fast ever since 2004, dont know if something changed in their corporate management or what but it really hit the fan o boy. glad sto wont be going near soe, i so want a good star trek mmo, i want it bad.
"And in regard to cloaking, the Federation will not have free access to the technology. If we gave the Federation access to cloaking, it’s all anyone would use, and that’s not the type of gameplay we envision when we think of Star Trek. Klingons, of course, will have access to cloaking, and the Federation will have access to cloak detection. Science vessels will be very good at detecting cloaked ships, so if you’re in a PvP situation, you’re probably going to want really good science vessels on your team. You won’t feel like you’re missing out on the Federation side just because you can’t cloak.
That said, there probably will be circumstances where Federation players will receive limited access to a cloaking device. But it’s not going to be something Federation players can hold onto.
And yes, these are things that we also debated a lot internally. : )
I find it really stupid that the federation and klingons are enemies again. I also find it bizzarre that they decided to destroy Romulus stupidly as a plot device for the new movie. Surely they could of thought of something better?!
So with the Romulians and cardassians out for the count it only leaves the federation and klingons left. If they actually looked at DS9 or even the next generation, these two 'factions' would not of become enemies in 30 years time. Also the klingon empire was mostly likely not a match for the federation before the dominon war and the klingons took alot more casualties which would of left them screwed for 30 years or even more.
Surley they could of just made up new enemies? (btw the klingons eventually join the federation)
I find it really stupid that the federation and klingons are enemies again. I also find it bizzarre that they decided to destroy Romulus stupidly as a plot device for the new movie. Surely they could of thought of something better?!
So with the Romulians and cardassians out for the count it only leaves the federation and klingons left. If they actually looked at DS9 or even the next generation, these two 'factions' would not of become enemies in 30 years time. Also the klingon empire was mostly likely not a match for the federation before the dominon war and the klingons took alot more casualties which would of left them screwed for 30 years or even more. Surley they could of just made up new enemies? (btw the klingons eventually join the federation) Sorry wanted to rant about this lol.
Yeah, but with any game title you gotta give them artistic room...I guess. And think of all the people helping the empire out (? lol) Nontheless, after reading this I'm far more excited to look into the game more than I was...as I haven't heard too much about it - though after doing some CO beta & remembering the early developer swapping woes, I still have my doubts against a solid year of MMOs released against it next year >_>
I might give it a try though, keep up the good infos!
I find it really stupid that the federation and klingons are enemies again. I also find it bizzarre that they decided to destroy Romulus stupidly as a plot device for the new movie. Surely they could of thought of something better?!
So with the Romulians and cardassians out for the count it only leaves the federation and klingons left. If they actually looked at DS9 or even the next generation, these two 'factions' would not of become enemies in 30 years time. Also the klingon empire was mostly likely not a match for the federation before the dominon war and the klingons took alot more casualties which would of left them screwed for 30 years or even more. Surley they could of just made up new enemies? (btw the klingons eventually join the federation) Sorry wanted to rant about this lol.
You guys should remember that the peace between the feds and Klingons is pretty fragile. When the klingons invaded carsiassia in DS9 all the federation did to make the Klingons pull out of the peace treaty was to condemn the invasion
The way their "path to 2409" lore explains it makes sense that they would become enemies again. Romulus is destroyed and the romulan empire is weakened. The Klingons seize on this opportunity to reclaim khitomer and keep going into Romulan space. The federation obviously dissaproves with this and moves a fleet to the romulan side of the border.
In this series of events they did a lot more to anger the Klingons then they did during DS9. Not only did they dissaprove with the klingons offensive, they are actually helping the Romulans.
I think the aid to Romulans was restricted to medical supplies and transport. If Starfleet had actually given the Romulans any kind of military support (besides the ships at border) like giving them ships/weapons things would have gone bad a lot quicker.
Starfleet provided humanitarian aid to the Romulans after the hobus super nova, when the Klingons move on romulan territory and re-claimed khitomer Starfleet dispatched additional Starships to safe guard the Klingon/Romuland boarder from further attacks by the Klingons.
This, among many other things, has added to the boiling put which will eventually produce the Klingon/Federation war.
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I'm actually kind of worried about how they will handle the combat and their phrase 'slow and stately' is why.
I'm going to use PoTBS as an example; combat with smaller ships be it against other smalls or even large consists of hit and run attacks, quick runs in, unload damage and then back out. It's only when you have the larger fleet actions do you see the 'slow and stately' battle lines / follow the leader lines going at it.
For ST why would you hobble a Bird of Prey into fighting like a Galaxy class? Each has it's own unique strengths and weaknesses. I'd rather see that reflected in quicker/higher manuver numbers for the smaller more nimble ships and slow/lower for the Large vessels.
I agree with them that ALL COMBAT shouldn't be a 3D dogfight situation, but put 3 Definant's up against 3 Birds of Prey and I think that's exactly what it SHOULD look like.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
Giant space amoebas???
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The less you expect, the more you'll be surprised. Hopefully, pleasantly so.
Giant space amoebas???
Or giant planet eating cornucopias???
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
bears with laser guns, and food such as honey is the main currency.
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Oh my got!!!
i neber see a graphic of this before,
i neber p2p any game before, but this game i must!
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Thread stickied, thank you for the information.
Wow. I'm glad this is so popular.
Added a ship spec section for all you scotty types
So far we know of two ships for Starfleet and one for the Klingons. Check them out.
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Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
whew! don't mind me, I am too tired to be writing on these forums right now...thanks
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
Well their only other games to date were the CoX series and they went through NcSoft NA for those. Whether or not they will do this again is not known at this time but the way they sold CoX to NcSoft and pulled out I doubt it. They will either self publish or they will let Atari handle it. I highly doubt SOE will be involved at all.
Bren
while(horse==dead)
{
beat();
}
They should probably decide whether Gorn are friends or enemies of the Empire. These two points are completely at odds with each other.
Maybe it's more of a "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation? The Orion Syndicate and the Federation are certainly hostile to each other, even if not at outright war. The Nausicans and the Gorn have never been friendly to the Federation. So perhaps the Gorn and the KE are uneasy allies - as long as they have something greater than themselves to worry about, they'll work together, but once that's dealt with...
An interesting point, but I get the feeling that you will be playing a Gorn as a member of the Klingon Faction. There are only going to be two factions in game and that will be Federation and Klingon.
The Klingons entered into hostiliteis with the Gorn in the last couple "Path to 2409" articles released by Cryptic. Cryptic has already said that the Gorn will be in the Klingon faction. This isn't as much an inconsistency as it is just a plot development tool. It's pretty clear that either the Klingons will conquer the Gorn or the two will come to some sort of agreement/mutual respect by 2409 (still about 20 years away).
Probably a given if they've lost their space, they're crumbling
Quick side question for you Ktanner - what did you mean about PoTBS payment system? It's a monthly fee which seems pretty normal, granted FLS has SOE running the financial side, is that what you meant?
Yep. I won't touch anything that has the SOE brand on it.
I won't play any MMO published, hosted, or financially controlled by SOE either.
..and that's a shame becuase I did relent for a month or two and played EQ2 and liked it, but then SOE's decisions and customer service reminded me exactly why I won't touch MMOs that they control.
So....STO will be run by SOE, or at least the Payment system run by SOE?
Not as far as I can see. Doesn't Cryptic use their own service for their other games?
Well their only other games to date were the CoX series and they went through NcSoft NA for those. Whether or not they will do this again is not known at this time but the way they sold CoX to NcSoft and pulled out I doubt it. They will either self publish or they will let Atari handle it. I highly doubt SOE will be involved at all.
Bren
So that's how internet rumors start
SOE has nothing to do with STO at all. They only came into this conversation when Ktanner made an off comment about them and PoTBS and I asked a question. Other than that nada.
If anyone cares; FLS designed, financed and runs (servers) PoTBS. FLS is involved with SOE only in letting SOE collect the monthly payments and routing FLS's launcher signal through SOE equipment (both of which have caused problems).
I apoligize to all for mentioning SOE's name. Sorry for any confusion.
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter
Added information that was revealed in this interview
http://sknr.net/2009/04/25/star-trek-online-second-interview/
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Added a part on bridge crew and their importance to your captain:
"Also important is your crew. Your Bridge Crew will have the biggest impact on what you can do, because they have skills and abilities you can call on that will help define your role. If you select a tactical officer who can load spreads of photon torpedoes, you will have different options than a Captain who picked an engineer specialized in shield modulation and efficiency. The number of your Bridge Crew active at any given time depends on your ship configuration. "
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
i aggree, anything soe touches turns to shit fast ever since 2004, dont know if something changed in their corporate management or what but it really hit the fan o boy. glad sto wont be going near soe, i so want a good star trek mmo, i want it bad.
Added the new revelation about the movie tie-in. The events in the new movie HAVE effected the timeline of the game.
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Added new information about cloaking
"And in regard to cloaking, the Federation will not have free access to the technology. If we gave the Federation access to cloaking, it’s all anyone would use, and that’s not the type of gameplay we envision when we think of Star Trek. Klingons, of course, will have access to cloaking, and the Federation will have access to cloak detection. Science vessels will be very good at detecting cloaked ships, so if you’re in a PvP situation, you’re probably going to want really good science vessels on your team. You won’t feel like you’re missing out on the Federation side just because you can’t cloak.
That said, there probably will be circumstances where Federation players will receive limited access to a cloaking device. But it’s not going to be something Federation players can hold onto.
And yes, these are things that we also debated a lot internally. : )
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Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
I find it really stupid that the federation and klingons are enemies again. I also find it bizzarre that they decided to destroy Romulus stupidly as a plot device for the new movie. Surely they could of thought of something better?!
So with the Romulians and cardassians out for the count it only leaves the federation and klingons left. If they actually looked at DS9 or even the next generation, these two 'factions' would not of become enemies in 30 years time. Also the klingon empire was mostly likely not a match for the federation before the dominon war and the klingons took alot more casualties which would of left them screwed for 30 years or even more.
Surley they could of just made up new enemies? (btw the klingons eventually join the federation)
Sorry wanted to rant about this lol.
Yeah, but with any game title you gotta give them artistic room...I guess. And think of all the people helping the empire out (? lol) Nontheless, after reading this I'm far more excited to look into the game more than I was...as I haven't heard too much about it - though after doing some CO beta & remembering the early developer swapping woes, I still have my doubts against a solid year of MMOs released against it next year >_>
I might give it a try though, keep up the good infos!
FLEETS Join 12th Fleet. Details in thread. Its on pg 1 so keep it there!!!
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Captain First Grade
U.S.S. Excursion NCC 96023
Omega Fleet
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Added a video section. Thanks to Bren for posting these links.
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My thoughts exactly.
You guys should remember that the peace between the feds and Klingons is pretty fragile. When the klingons invaded carsiassia in DS9 all the federation did to make the Klingons pull out of the peace treaty was to condemn the invasion
The way their "path to 2409" lore explains it makes sense that they would become enemies again. Romulus is destroyed and the romulan empire is weakened. The Klingons seize on this opportunity to reclaim khitomer and keep going into Romulan space. The federation obviously dissaproves with this and moves a fleet to the romulan side of the border.
In this series of events they did a lot more to anger the Klingons then they did during DS9. Not only did they dissaprove with the klingons offensive, they are actually helping the Romulans.
I think the aid to Romulans was restricted to medical supplies and transport. If Starfleet had actually given the Romulans any kind of military support (besides the ships at border) like giving them ships/weapons things would have gone bad a lot quicker.
Starfleet provided humanitarian aid to the Romulans after the hobus super nova, when the Klingons move on romulan territory and re-claimed khitomer Starfleet dispatched additional Starships to safe guard the Klingon/Romuland boarder from further attacks by the Klingons.
This, among many other things, has added to the boiling put which will eventually produce the Klingon/Federation war.