I'd strongly encourage anyone who is buying Ricemans line to go and download the FREE trial @ www.tryswg.com before actually putting money down for this pile of garbage.
Try before you buy, that's what the trial is there for. Let the product speak for itself.
PSA Time again folks! I'd strongly encourage anyone who is buying Ricemans line to go and download the FREE trial @ www.tryswg.com before actually putting money down for this pile of garbage. Try before you buy, that's what the trial is there for. Let the product speak for itself.
PSA Time again folks! I'd strongly encourage anyone who is buying Ricemans line to go and download the FREE trial @ www.tryswg.com before actually putting money down for this pile of garbage. Try before you buy, that's what the trial is there for. Let the product speak for itself.
Shoo! *mod edit*
Don't want people to try SWG before they pay for it? How come?
I think this site needs a forum dedicated to NGE whiners only. Then the people that actually play SWG will have a place to discuss their game without the thread sifting.
PSA Time again folks! I'd strongly encourage anyone who is buying Ricemans line to go and download the FREE trial @ www.tryswg.com before actually putting money down for this pile of garbage. Try before you buy, that's what the trial is there for. Let the product speak for itself.
Shoo! *mod edit*
Don't want people to try SWG before they pay for it? How come?
Oh, no, I think it's a great idea to try before you buy.
What I object to is the sheer frequency with which you bash the game, and how 90% of the posts I see from you are attacks subtly attached to your "PSAs."
No they have not. Stop the lies and manipulaiton and distortion of reality to try and lure in anyone who has not experienced that piece of simplified garbage yet. Please...
Agreed. They started to pull it back after NGE, but at some point they just let it fall right back in and are letting it sink into oblivion.
If you dont have a Full +35 Suit you cant compete.
If you dont have a 5 piece Heroics Jewelery Set you cant compete.
If you dont have a full 7 rows (64) Buffs stacked you cant compete.
Not to mention the F'n stupid Trading Card Game and the completely ghey Non-Starwarsy Holiday Festivals (flying pink Ewoks /facepalm)
Top it off with the fact that there is still no real Galactic Civil War!!!
The OP calls it 'Sandbox"??? The only thing thats still "sandbox" is the Housing/City System.
Sure, Crafting is still pretty good. The Chronicles System is kinda nice. Storyteller isnt bad, but not near as cool as Pex Events
The rest of the game is nothing but a linear themepark treadmill pile'o'crap.
i have my 35s suit but i dont have any 5 piece herioc jewelery set and i was still able to pvp just fine.
played: EQOA,EQ1, EQ2, SWG, DAOC, FFXI, GW, WoW, Eve, Vanguard, COH/COV, Pirates of Burning Sea, Pirates of the Carribean, Freerealms, AOC, Warhammer, UO, Secondlife (LMFAO), The Matrix Online. Waiting for: SWTOR, STO
yes i totally agree its still a great idea to try it before you buy it, its not dead yet but i still think it has potential if the devs stick to their guns and keep bringing in content, but comon zombies? I dont know.
played: EQOA,EQ1, EQ2, SWG, DAOC, FFXI, GW, WoW, Eve, Vanguard, COH/COV, Pirates of Burning Sea, Pirates of the Carribean, Freerealms, AOC, Warhammer, UO, Secondlife (LMFAO), The Matrix Online. Waiting for: SWTOR, STO
anyone is entited to their opinion, but you accuse mmofringe of hatred and the only one spreading negativism here is you, towards the fringe and now personally attacking its members; in turn, all that was offered were insightul posts in this ludicrous argument of yours and suggestions to find the proof which counter your claims in the pudding.
You obviously haven't read 100% of my posts if you think 90% of them are subtle attacks on SWG via my 'PSAs'.
If you did read the majority of my posts, you would see that I have come back to SWG on each and every free vet trial HOPING that it was better.
I make no secret of my opinion of the game. But I also know people on this forum can at times sensationalize the 'truth'.
THAT is why I say for people to go play it themselves. I'm completely open to people downloading the trial on reading my PSA and then coming back here and saying 'Bob, you're full of crap, the game is totally what I'm looking for.' That's great, have at 'er. I'm glad you found an MMO you can feel you belong to.
I have to wonder though, if you are so confident that the product is best MMO out there, why you reacted so negatively towards my PSA, regardless of my opinion. If the game is so good, I'm doing YOU (and SOE) a favor. You should be thanking me, not attacking me.
Personally, when you attack somebody who says 'go try it out for yourself free of charge', it shows you're not quite confident in your own professed statements regarding said product.
I'm quite confident SWG sucks, that's why I have no problem telling people to try it out for themselves. Like I said, the product speaks for itself.
Swg conversation have and always will get interesting. HOWEVER, please keep it civil, long standing vet's know our stance here at MMORPG.COM about posting such things here in general discussion.
No they have not. Stop the lies and manipulaiton and distortion of reality to try and lure in anyone who has not experienced that piece of simplified garbage yet. Please...
This game used to be great, the current game is barely sub-par.
95% or more of the playerbase has quit since the highwater mark, some years ago.
The dev team has been reduced to 10 or less (PR and community managers notwithstanding), and some of those service the "TCG" loot card lottery scam, and not work on the actual game.
12 of 25 servers are about to be closed.
4 or 5 of the remaining servers could use the "Free Transfer Service", because they are all but dead.
The OP might think SWG might be the best game out there, but the 200k or so people that used be customers now are not, would disagree.
Very little of that is opinion, and as such, cannot be rebutted by the boosters of this now dying game, with any credibility whatsoever.
First, let me start by saying that if you're associated with MMOFringe or another internet community characterized by SOE-hate: you will not enjoy this, and it will not be over quickly. -- Star Wars: Galaxies. Ah, that name conjures up impassioned flame wars throughout the known Internet. Some people have grown to utterly despise any mention of the game, and positive mentions make them absolutely livid. A rare few others still drink the SOE kool-aid and believe even the NGE launch itself was a good thing. Make no mistake: while I hated the NGE less than most, I still believe that the NGE was one of the worst things to ever happen to Galaxies. It took a fabulously rich skill system and reduced it to nine cookie cutter classes, none of which had any significant playability. However, a great deal of time has passed since that horrible day, and much has changed for the better. Star Wars: Galaxies is likely the single best MMORPG currently in existence for three primary reasons:
The Storyteller System The Chronicle System The crafting system
Ultimately, Galaxies is the richest and most robust sandbox MMORPG available. Ryzom is the only other MMO to even come close to this. The Storyteller system of Galaxies allows its players to weave intricate and exciting stories for each other. It also allows players to set up some fantastic player events, such as beautiful in-game weddings that don't get ruined by random open PvP. The new Chronicle system lets players create their own quests, complete with experience and unique loot rewards. Granted, other games (notably City of Heroes) have this feature, but their implementations don't mesh nearly as well with the other game systems as the Chronicle system does with Galaxies' Storyteller system. Lastly, the crafting system is the second most robust one in any game. The only crafting system that tops Galaxies' is Saga of Ryzom's, but Ryzom's system is hampered by a more time-consuming gathering mechanism. Ultimately, the Galaxies system wins out overall. In addition, a great deal has changed about the game since the NGE that has made it, in my opinion, more fun than pre-NGE. As an example of this, update 12 added a huge number of new droids and effectively gave us a droid commander role, in addition to a wealth of cybernetics that made the original measly few look like an afterthought. If you haven't played in a long time, now is a great time to come back. A word of warning, however - a number of servers are going away permanently come October 15th. If you're on one of them, you will need to do a (free) character transfer. The good news, however, is that the population of the remaining servers is visibly at the same levels (or higher) as just prior to the NGE. -- In closing, I'd just like to say this: whatever evil SOE has done to the game with the NGE, they've managed to pull it back from the abyss and turn Galaxies into a really great sandbox MMORPG.
You are obviously one of the rare few others who still drink the SOE kool aid.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Originally posted by Elwalpo yes i totally agree its still a great idea to try it before you buy it, its not dead yet but i still think it has potential if the devs stick to their guns and keep bringing in content, but comon zombies? I dont know.
This is the crux of the problem...the game has ALWAYS been on the cusp of greatness. Potential, while always there, is meaningless if it goes undeveloped.
If the game was the cats meow you would not have to start out your post with a disclaimers and appologies. Nor would you be limited in your comparison of the current game to the worst release of an mmo in the history of the genre (Nov 15th 2005). Anything compared to how horrible the NGE was at release will look better.
Without even debating the merits of the crafting, storytelling/chronicles system and just assuming for sake of discussion that you are right, it still leaves vast areas of gameplay untouched that are vital to mmo gameplay. I doubt I would nominate a game that has gone without expansion for over 4 years as best of anything.
This game will officially get ganked when Star Wars: The Old Republic is out.
No matter how good it may have been when it started, or how much they may have made up for their mistakes there's no point beating a dead horse.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW -------- Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD --------- Played and loved: Eve and WoW -------- Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
This game used to be great, the current game is barely sub-par. 95% or more of the playerbase has quit since the highwater mark, some years ago. The dev team has been reduced to 10 or less (PR and community managers notwithstanding), and some of those service the "TCG" loot card lottery scam, and not work on the actual game. 12 of 25 servers are about to be closed. 4 or 5 of the remaining servers could use the "Free Transfer Service", because they are all but dead. The OP might think SWG might be the best game out there, but the 200k or so people that used be customers now are not, would disagree.
Very little of that is opinion, and as such, cannot be rebutted by the boosters of this now dying game, with any credibility whatsoever.
I have to correct you... the watermark for SWG is 500k ... its now around 20k if that... So the more accurate number would 480k or so people would disagree. Man get your facts strieght!
I don't think I can reply to this without seeming bitter, but here goes. In a nutshell, my entire original post can be rendered down to one sentence: "I like Galaxies. Try it, you might too."
Guys you know the drill keep it civil, I just edited and deleted a ton out of this thread. Usually when it gets this out of hand we just delete the thread all together. However, I know how passionate both side are on this debate. I would however like to remind everyone there is such a place for disgruntled players and the topic here is crossing that fine line of todays swg and the past swg this is as posted in the sticky not what this part of the forum is for. If you want to discuss the past swg there is a section in the forums just for that. Those that are interested in the current swg look here. I quote..
Since there seems to be a great deal of confusion about this forum, I thought I'd clear it up.
This thread was created for members who are interested in this game in its current state. That doesn't mean that you have to like the game, or say only positive things. My intention was to create a place where members could come to discuss the game AS IT IS without being constantly bombarded with posts about the NGE, CU or the other changes that SOE made to this game in the past.
The bottom line is that a number of people are extremely upset about the changes that were made. We wanted to create an area for them as well (hence the other new forum) so that hopefully everyone would have a place to go where their voice could be heard. What we are trying to avoid is having one side point of view drown out all of the others. Regardless of how you or I personally feel about the situation, whichever "side" we are on, it's fair to say that everyone deserves a reasonable voice.
So, the bottom line is: Please, use your common sense, the way that you would in any other forum when deciding where to post your threads. In the same way that you wouldn't post about City of Villains in a WoW forum, this particular forum probably isn't the most appropriate place to post strongly about SOE hate over the NGE, or the latest theories of why it was done, etc. There is now a place for that.
We do not consider one forum to be more important or more "right" than the other. That's why we created two brand new threads rather than only creating one. In an attempt to be un-biased, we want to, like I've said a few times in this post, give everyone a fair voice.
I hope this explains things for you. I've tried to be as clear as possible.
EVE Online has pvp and no jedi. You should just join us there and be the griefer, not the griefed, cause apparently ccp staff still play their game. Oh, and it has over 5000 playable starsystems. How's that for sandbox?
The Storyteller System The Chronicle System The crafting system
All three existed before the NGE, in SWG Pre-CU.
I'm not sure what your edit did to the content of your original post, but what's left is just crazy talk - if for no other reason than the Chronicle system was just announced. Yes there was crafting pre-CU. I certainly don't remember anything called Storyteller up to and including the NGE.
Every one of those features existed pre-cu. What you are looking at NOW, is a re-branding, and some expanding on those systems.
Nothing more. Players could set NPC's including full branching dialog, set items in the world such as downed Tire-fighters, even hide objects. We had the ability to create quests for ever. Like i said, all that was listed above, is just a re-branding and repackaging with a bit of extending some of the original systems.
I would love to point you to the patch notes, or the feature articles on those systems, but of course, they no longer exist on the SWG site.
Care to take a guess as to why?
????????????????????????? you may want to google pre cu and read what it was about ???????????????????
When I read the O.P., I couldn't help noticing the following two comments:
“Star Wars: Galaxies is likely the single best MMORPG currently in existence…”
“A word of warning, however - a number of servers are going away permanently come October 15th.”
Don't these statements seem a bit contradictory?
The O.P. also tries to suggest how good SWG is for crafting. Crafting has taken so many hits in this game, it staggers the mind. Now the best items seem to be available via the Trading Card Game, which has players purchasing booster packs from the Sony online store that give them only a random chance of obtaining the latest items.
Comments
PSA Time again folks!
I'd strongly encourage anyone who is buying Ricemans line to go and download the FREE trial @ www.tryswg.com before actually putting money down for this pile of garbage.
Try before you buy, that's what the trial is there for. Let the product speak for itself.
Shoo! *mod edit*
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
Shoo! *mod edit*
Don't want people to try SWG before they pay for it? How come?
*mod edit*
Shoo! *mod edit*
Don't want people to try SWG before they pay for it? How come?
Oh, no, I think it's a great idea to try before you buy.
What I object to is the sheer frequency with which you bash the game, and how 90% of the posts I see from you are attacks subtly attached to your "PSAs."
*mod edit*
D&D Home Page - What Class Are You? - Build A Character - D&D Compendium
Agreed. They started to pull it back after NGE, but at some point they just let it fall right back in and are letting it sink into oblivion.
If you dont have a Full +35 Suit you cant compete.
If you dont have a 5 piece Heroics Jewelery Set you cant compete.
If you dont have a full 7 rows (64) Buffs stacked you cant compete.
Not to mention the F'n stupid Trading Card Game and the completely ghey Non-Starwarsy Holiday Festivals (flying pink Ewoks /facepalm)
Top it off with the fact that there is still no real Galactic Civil War!!!
The OP calls it 'Sandbox"??? The only thing thats still "sandbox" is the Housing/City System.
Sure, Crafting is still pretty good. The Chronicles System is kinda nice. Storyteller isnt bad, but not near as cool as Pex Events
The rest of the game is nothing but a linear themepark treadmill pile'o'crap.
i have my 35s suit but i dont have any 5 piece herioc jewelery set and i was still able to pvp just fine.
played: EQOA,EQ1, EQ2, SWG, DAOC, FFXI, GW, WoW, Eve, Vanguard, COH/COV, Pirates of Burning Sea, Pirates of the Carribean, Freerealms, AOC, Warhammer, UO, Secondlife (LMFAO), The Matrix Online.
Waiting for: SWTOR, STO
yes i totally agree its still a great idea to try it before you buy it, its not dead yet but i still think it has potential if the devs stick to their guns and keep bringing in content, but comon zombies? I dont know.
played: EQOA,EQ1, EQ2, SWG, DAOC, FFXI, GW, WoW, Eve, Vanguard, COH/COV, Pirates of Burning Sea, Pirates of the Carribean, Freerealms, AOC, Warhammer, UO, Secondlife (LMFAO), The Matrix Online.
Waiting for: SWTOR, STO
Sorry, I wasn't trying to be subtle.
/facepalm i thought they were shutting down half their servers and slowing down development.
i am sorry, but you can't be taken seriously.
anyone is entited to their opinion, but you accuse mmofringe of hatred and the only one spreading negativism here is you, towards the fringe and now personally attacking its members; in turn, all that was offered were insightul posts in this ludicrous argument of yours and suggestions to find the proof which counter your claims in the pudding.
You obviously haven't read 100% of my posts if you think 90% of them are subtle attacks on SWG via my 'PSAs'.
If you did read the majority of my posts, you would see that I have come back to SWG on each and every free vet trial HOPING that it was better.
I make no secret of my opinion of the game. But I also know people on this forum can at times sensationalize the 'truth'.
THAT is why I say for people to go play it themselves. I'm completely open to people downloading the trial on reading my PSA and then coming back here and saying 'Bob, you're full of crap, the game is totally what I'm looking for.' That's great, have at 'er. I'm glad you found an MMO you can feel you belong to.
I have to wonder though, if you are so confident that the product is best MMO out there, why you reacted so negatively towards my PSA, regardless of my opinion. If the game is so good, I'm doing YOU (and SOE) a favor. You should be thanking me, not attacking me.
Personally, when you attack somebody who says 'go try it out for yourself free of charge', it shows you're not quite confident in your own professed statements regarding said product.
I'm quite confident SWG sucks, that's why I have no problem telling people to try it out for themselves. Like I said, the product speaks for itself.
Swg conversation have and always will get interesting. HOWEVER, please keep it civil, long standing vet's know our stance here at MMORPG.COM about posting such things here in general discussion.
Thank you,
Guardious
Yes, I am a nerd. No, I do not HATE Riceman. Never even met the guy, can't even say if I dislike him or not (assuming he's a he... RiceMAN).
Disagree with him, hell yeah.
QFE
This game used to be great, the current game is barely sub-par.
95% or more of the playerbase has quit since the highwater mark, some years ago.
The dev team has been reduced to 10 or less (PR and community managers notwithstanding), and some of those service the "TCG" loot card lottery scam, and not work on the actual game.
12 of 25 servers are about to be closed.
4 or 5 of the remaining servers could use the "Free Transfer Service", because they are all but dead.
The OP might think SWG might be the best game out there, but the 200k or so people that used be customers now are not, would disagree.
Very little of that is opinion, and as such, cannot be rebutted by the boosters of this now dying game, with any credibility whatsoever.
You are obviously one of the rare few others who still drink the SOE kool aid.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
This is the crux of the problem...the game has ALWAYS been on the cusp of greatness. Potential, while always there, is meaningless if it goes undeveloped.
If the game was the cats meow you would not have to start out your post with a disclaimers and appologies. Nor would you be limited in your comparison of the current game to the worst release of an mmo in the history of the genre (Nov 15th 2005). Anything compared to how horrible the NGE was at release will look better.
Without even debating the merits of the crafting, storytelling/chronicles system and just assuming for sake of discussion that you are right, it still leaves vast areas of gameplay untouched that are vital to mmo gameplay. I doubt I would nominate a game that has gone without expansion for over 4 years as best of anything.
What does it even matter at this point?
This game will officially get ganked when Star Wars: The Old Republic is out.
No matter how good it may have been when it started, or how much they may have made up for their mistakes there's no point beating a dead horse.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW
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Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD
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Played and loved: Eve and WoW
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Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
I have to correct you... the watermark for SWG is 500k ... its now around 20k if that... So the more accurate number would 480k or so people would disagree. Man get your facts strieght!
Actually, that was two sentences.
"I like Galaxies."
"Try it, you might too."
Guys you know the drill keep it civil, I just edited and deleted a ton out of this thread. Usually when it gets this out of hand we just delete the thread all together. However, I know how passionate both side are on this debate. I would however like to remind everyone there is such a place for disgruntled players and the topic here is crossing that fine line of todays swg and the past swg this is as posted in the sticky not what this part of the forum is for. If you want to discuss the past swg there is a section in the forums just for that. Those that are interested in the current swg look here. I quote..
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Since there seems to be a great deal of confusion about this forum, I thought I'd clear it up.
This thread was created for members who are interested in this game in its current state. That doesn't mean that you have to like the game, or say only positive things. My intention was to create a place where members could come to discuss the game AS IT IS without being constantly bombarded with posts about the NGE, CU or the other changes that SOE made to this game in the past.
The bottom line is that a number of people are extremely upset about the changes that were made. We wanted to create an area for them as well (hence the other new forum) so that hopefully everyone would have a place to go where their voice could be heard. What we are trying to avoid is having one side point of view drown out all of the others. Regardless of how you or I personally feel about the situation, whichever "side" we are on, it's fair to say that everyone deserves a reasonable voice.
So, the bottom line is: Please, use your common sense, the way that you would in any other forum when deciding where to post your threads. In the same way that you wouldn't post about City of Villains in a WoW forum, this particular forum probably isn't the most appropriate place to post strongly about SOE hate over the NGE, or the latest theories of why it was done, etc. There is now a place for that.
We do not consider one forum to be more important or more "right" than the other. That's why we created two brand new threads rather than only creating one. In an attempt to be un-biased, we want to, like I've said a few times in this post, give everyone a fair voice.
I hope this explains things for you. I've tried to be as clear as possible.
Sincerely,
Jon Wood
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Keep it civil keep it to today's swg and on topic.
Thank you,
Guardious
EVE Online has pvp and no jedi. You should just join us there and be the griefer, not the griefed, cause apparently ccp staff still play their game. Oh, and it has over 5000 playable starsystems. How's that for sandbox?
All three existed before the NGE, in SWG Pre-CU.
I'm not sure what your edit did to the content of your original post, but what's left is just crazy talk - if for no other reason than the Chronicle system was just announced. Yes there was crafting pre-CU. I certainly don't remember anything called Storyteller up to and including the NGE.
Every one of those features existed pre-cu. What you are looking at NOW, is a re-branding, and some expanding on those systems.
Nothing more. Players could set NPC's including full branching dialog, set items in the world such as downed Tire-fighters, even hide objects. We had the ability to create quests for ever. Like i said, all that was listed above, is just a re-branding and repackaging with a bit of extending some of the original systems.
I would love to point you to the patch notes, or the feature articles on those systems, but of course, they no longer exist on the SWG site.
Care to take a guess as to why?
????????????????????????? you may want to google pre cu and read what it was about ???????????????????
When I read the O.P., I couldn't help noticing the following two comments:
“Star Wars: Galaxies is likely the single best MMORPG currently in existence…”
“A word of warning, however - a number of servers are going away permanently come October 15th.”
Don't these statements seem a bit contradictory?
The O.P. also tries to suggest how good SWG is for crafting. Crafting has taken so many hits in this game, it staggers the mind. Now the best items seem to be available via the Trading Card Game, which has players purchasing booster packs from the Sony online store that give them only a random chance of obtaining the latest items.