enik pallies i agree shouldn't be nerfed because they just have good spells and gear like rogue has very very good spells. But pallies ain't easy. A shaman can beat pallies and rogues too. Its all a challenge for how u play ur race and class. That is why WOW is so fun, there is variety and some class for someone. I am not saying I totaly disagree but don't be so harsh with ur comments.
hey glottis, some people of course don't like cartoonish graphics. Of course i ain't one of them. But some like realistic looking graphics and well lets just say all have their opinions but graohics isn'w the big thing, FUN is!
Originally posted by Malomeister yes stealth is good but a rogue can never beat a human paladin. If they use stealth human paladin can use ability to see the person in stealth mode. Plus humans rock with diplomacy, spirit, mac and sword skills. Plus a Paladin with its healing, immunity, and divine sheild!! Truly Paladin owns!World Of Warcraft Rocks!
I have to disagree here. A lot depends on skills and talents of the rogue. I have fought paladins and I won and lost about the same. The trick is to ware off palies, to let them use up their mana. How you ask? simple., here is how
First of all, they say palies have 4 lives (I only know of 3 but then again, i never played a paly). Well, rogues have about infinite amount of lives. We have vanish and the skill (in subtiety talent tree) that instantly recycles all skills. The timer on vanish is 5 mins i believe (i have some talents put into vanish recycle so its faster for me) and the recycle -all-skills skill (forgot the name of it) has a timer of 10 minutes. Add a cloaking device to this and it means we can have 3 times to cloak during battle. Basicaly I use all defencive skills up, then I use vanish to heal up (paly can do that too but he uses up mana when I use food). Then next time im low on health, i use cloak so vanish timer doesnt reset. I have another time to heal up, then (hopefully) my vanish recycles and i can beat up paladin a bit more. WHen I use vanish this time, i use recycle-all-skills and i get instant vanish back again. I heal up, paly does the same but his mana should be realy low by now. I use up more defence skills and if needed vanish again. By this time (usualy) paly is out of mana and dead. Of course this doesnt always work. Too many things can go wrong. BUT, rogues unique ability to safely (more or less) retreat from the battlefield can (theoreticaly) win any melee battle. Frankly, most trouble ive seen were from druids with their roots and fairie fire, but they go down much faster then melee. Oh and hunters are a tough cookie too, its a fight on 2 fronts basicaly. This strategy above wont work with combat rogues because rogues greatest asset is its stealth and skills that utilize that ability. Not that combat rogues arent any good, they are good in PvE perhaps where u dont fight a clever person but just some mob. Anyways, I hope to hear some comments on my strategy and hopefully someone will post their strategy from which I can learn.
Originally posted by Malomeister yes stealth is good but a rogue can never beat a human paladin. If they use stealth human paladin can use ability to see the person in stealth mode. Plus humans rock with diplomacy, spirit, mac and sword skills. Plus a Paladin with its healing, immunity, and divine sheild!! Truly Paladin owns!
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You got somthing against Dwarfs?=P when a pally fights a rogue its all about retro arua.
Also forgot to say a pally will never be able to kill a rogue unless the rogue is dumb all he must do is vanish heal come back while pallys sheilds are down and they are finished,not to mention all classes could do that but they are to dumb to any class can get away from a pally.(i've heard to much bs on the pallys are over powered)
Also i would never use heals out of combat first aid there buddy or food but i will never use my mana knowing a rogue is trying to kill me my mana is my life when its gone i am.
Originally posted by Crono1000 Originally posted by jimmyman99Originally posted by Malomeisteryes stealth is good but a rogue can never beat a human paladin. If they use stealth human paladin can use ability to see the person in stealth mode. Plus humans rock with diplomacy, spirit, mac and sword skills. Plus a Paladin with its healing, immunity, and divine sheild!! Truly Paladin owns! World Of Warcraft Rocks! You got somthing against Dwarfs?=P when a pally fights a rogue its all about retro arua. Also forgot to say a pally will never be able to kill a rogue unless the rogue is dumb all he must do is vanish heal come back while pallys sheilds are down and they are finished,not to mention all classes could do that but they are to dumb to any class can get away from a pally.(i've heard to much bs on the pallys are over powered) Also i would never use heals out of combat first aid there buddy or food but i will never use my mana knowing a rogue is trying to kill me my mana is my life when its gone i am.WoW Zammorock-lvl 27 WarlockSmeagol-lvl 43 PallyCrousious-lvl 10 rouge (insert name hell i forgot his name ) lvl 10 shamen
Dorfs Rule!!! But i likes gnomes better hehe, they are hot and sexy and they laugh like crazy! Dwarfs are bearded gnomes. I actually sometimes call my gnome a "shaved dwarf". Anywho, back to the discussion, a good trick to NOT allow paly to use first aid or use food is this: when rogues health goes low and we vanish, then just SAP paly. BOOM, he cant heal with food, cant bandage, and by the time sap wears off, if rogue still didnt heal up, paly may have time for 1 quick heal. Thats why they have to use up mana. Oh and I forgot to mention that detect stealth is pretty much useless because usualy people turn it on right away, and only a dumb rogue would charge into battle at the moment duel starts. I usualy "stalk" my prey from a distance, i love the feeling of peeking at people when they cant see me /me pulls out his looking glass PEACE
Originally posted by Billius8 The best class is Ranger; they don't have that in WOW. The best race is Wood Elf; they don't have that either. Maybe that's okay, since we'd just see more cartoon graphics. By the way, this game doesn't have enough challenge for veteran MMORPG players. This is a very good newb game. Enjoy!
Hunter = Ranger and Wood Elf = Night Elf. Who cares what kind of elf, and why does it matter that the ranged-based class isnt named Ranger? Its World of WARCRAFT not of DUNGEONS AND DRAGONS. The hunter is almost identicle to the ranger: you're ranged, you can do dual weapon wielding, and you have a connection to animals and nature. Im sure not being able to be a Wood Elf really impacts everyone. World of Warcraft is its own game with original ideas, why should they copy the games you've chosen as the template for all MMOs. You're no veteran, you're just a newb who doesnt know anything but the pen and paper DnD (or Neverwinter Nights...); where you happily play by yourself as your own DM and win all the time. That is a very sad newb thing to do. Enjoy!
ok lets see. A close race between paladins and rogues! Both are good classes. Big lead with night elves. Well looks like its basically palladin and rogue and NIght Elves! Doesn't mean the winners are the best but the favorite. All are equal!!!
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A lot depends on skills and talents of the rogue. I have fought paladins and I won and lost about the same. The trick is to ware off palies, to let them use up their mana. How you ask? simple., here is how
First of all, they say palies have 4 lives (I only know of 3 but then again, i never played a paly). Well, rogues have about infinite amount of lives. We have vanish and the skill (in subtiety talent tree) that instantly recycles all skills. The timer on vanish is 5 mins i believe (i have some talents put into vanish recycle so its faster for me) and the recycle -all-skills skill (forgot the name of it) has a timer of 10 minutes. Add a cloaking device to this and it means we can have 3 times to cloak during battle. Basicaly I use all defencive skills up, then I use vanish to heal up (paly can do that too but he uses up mana when I use food). Then next time im low on health, i use cloak so vanish timer doesnt reset. I have another time to heal up, then (hopefully) my vanish recycles and i can beat up paladin a bit more. WHen I use vanish this time, i use recycle-all-skills and i get instant vanish back again. I heal up, paly does the same but his mana should be realy low by now. I use up more defence skills and if needed vanish again. By this time (usualy) paly is out of mana and dead.
Of course this doesnt always work. Too many things can go wrong. BUT, rogues unique ability to safely (more or less) retreat from the battlefield can (theoreticaly) win any melee battle. Frankly, most trouble ive seen were from druids with their roots and fairie fire, but they go down much faster then melee. Oh and hunters are a tough cookie too, its a fight on 2 fronts basicaly.
This strategy above wont work with combat rogues because rogues greatest asset is its stealth and skills that utilize that ability. Not that combat rogues arent any good, they are good in PvE perhaps where u dont fight a clever person but just some mob.
Anyways, I hope to hear some comments on my strategy and hopefully someone will post their strategy from which I can learn.
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But, the paladins has the most irritating abilities; Undead Mastery. Must avoid those, cuz I'm playing with ud priest.
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You got somthing against Dwarfs?=P when a pally fights a rogue its all about retro arua.
Also forgot to say a pally will never be able to kill a rogue unless the rogue is dumb all he must do is vanish heal come back while pallys sheilds are down and they are finished,not to mention all classes could do that but they are to dumb to any class can get away from a pally.(i've heard to much bs on the pallys are over powered)
Also i would never use heals out of combat first aid there buddy or food but i will never use my mana knowing a rogue is trying to kill me my mana is my life when its gone i am.
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Zammorock-lvl 27 Warlock
Smeagol-lvl 43 Pally
Crousious-lvl 10 rouge
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Dorfs Rule!!! But i likes gnomes better hehe, they are hot and sexy and they laugh like crazy! Dwarfs are bearded gnomes. I actually sometimes call my gnome a "shaved dwarf".
/me pulls out his looking glass
Anywho, back to the discussion, a good trick to NOT allow paly to use first aid or use food is this:
when rogues health goes low and we vanish, then just SAP paly. BOOM, he cant heal with food, cant bandage, and by the time sap wears off, if rogue still didnt heal up, paly may have time for 1 quick heal. Thats why they have to use up mana.
Oh and I forgot to mention that detect stealth is pretty much useless because usualy people turn it on right away, and only a dumb rogue would charge into battle at the moment duel starts. I usualy "stalk" my prey from a distance, i love the feeling of peeking at people when they cant see me
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