Is that so you do realize you can block people, and or turn off the chat channels but you now quit and rant about it on http://www.mmorpg.com/ seems logical to me.
Lol I agree OP. Just some of the fanbois are wearing their rose tented glasses. They could banhammer their accounts but they dont, they do thier chars. It would cost them more to rebuy the game otherwise and they wouldnt spam the channels as they do. Could NCsoft be in on it somehow. Perhaps, perhaps not. No one knows but them.
The funny part is i came across the stark realization that my crafting grinding would be meaningless as i grinded for more money to fund it, the obvious thought occured to me, "well if they are spamming so much they must be selling some gold" then "what would people do with so much gold, people easily get drops to replace most armor"
then it hit me... "they are using that gold to power level their crafting skills, they have to be.." then i thought about how much of the AH has stuff sold by gold farmers and cringed. My grinding smithing became meaningless and not worth it.
So yeah... gg Aion gg...
Have fun with your AH based gold farming game.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
NCsoft are doing their best, at least they are trying and in time all of this will be fixed.
In my time playing Aion EU I have only seen one bot....and it was failing so hard I just had to laugh, The Gold spam is getting a tad annoying though
Then you should come and look on my EU server Gorgos.
Last night I saw on one single spot, one single channel already more then 10 Kinah Farming bots farming their merry way. All with names like djmQFX, jkFL, Jeasd, etc, etc. All gladiators, no title, no legion, yada yada yada.
The botting is totally out of control. Just like the spamming.
These frigging farming bots are already flooding the broker with insane amounts of loot. Loot that suppose to be rare and hard to get!
They are already heavily impacting the game and completely ruining the ingame economy.
If NCWest hasn't done anything within two weeks when my first 30 days run out. I cancel and I'm out!
If it was a pure PVE game I could be as half annoyed as I am now.
But AION is a highly competitive game. So these frigging botters (As there are plenty of so called legit players, even in legions, botting as well) get a unfair and very high advantage over everyone else! They farm insane amounts of kinah. They are high level much faster and so able to farm AP like mad before everyone else. Buy the best PVP gear before everyone else and so be able to stomp and dominate everyone else in PVP. Wich is pretty much already happening on some servers. Where complete Legions botted their way up and were capturing fortresses within a week already!!
Everyone who has played Lineage 2 knows how it can get out of hand. It's one of the worst games there is, completely in control of the botters.
NCsoft are doing their best, at least they are trying and in time all of this will be fixed.
In my time playing Aion EU I have only seen one bot....and it was failing so hard I just had to laugh, The Gold spam is getting a tad annoying though
Then you should come and look on my EU server Gorgos.
Last night I saw on one single spot, one single channel already more then 10 Kinah Farming bots farming their merry way. All with names like djmQFX, jkFL, Jeasd, etc, etc. All gladiators, no title, no legion, yada yada yada.
The botting is totally out of control. Just like the spamming.
These frigging farming bots are already flooding the broker with insane amounts of loot. Loot that suppose to be rare and hard to get!
They are already heavily impacting the game and completely ruining the ingame economy.
If NCWest hasn't done anything within two weeks when my first 30 days run out. I cancel and I'm out!
If it was a pure PVE game I could be as half annoyed as I am now.
But AION is a highly competitive game. So these frigging botters (As there are plenty of so called legit players, even in legions, botting as well) get a unfair and very high advantage over everyone else! They farm insane amounts of kinah. They are high level much faster and so able to farm AP like mad before everyone else. Buy the best PVP gear before everyone else and so be able to stomp and dominate everyone else in PVP. Wich is pretty much already happening on some servers. Where complete Legions botted their way up and were capturing fortresses within a week already!!
Everyone who has played Lineage 2 knows how it can get out of hand. It's one of the worst games there is, completely in control of the botters.
No thanks.
Yeah the econ in this game on every server is getting hosed fast lol. GG.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter As for botting - reduce rewards when staying in the same area for extended times. You could also only reward questing (at a higher than current rate).
That won't work as the game isn't designed for that.
First there aren't enough quests. Later on, it's even mostly repeatable (shitty) quests.
The Campain quests are okay and very fun. But there are too few of them to support this idea.
The only way to effectivily kill botting is removing XP from mobs and only reward through Quest XP.
But then they will have to add a ton more quests to the game and up the XP you get per quest.
As this is ofcourse not gonna happen. It's an Asian MMO afterall. The only way to combat the bots is immediate hard / no remorse action and insta ban all of them!
Wich isn't happening and probably never will....... or when it's way too late and the game already tanked.
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter As for botting - reduce rewards when staying in the same area for extended times. You could also only reward questing (at a higher than current rate).
That won't work as the game isn't designed for that.
First there aren't enough quests. Later on, it's even mostly repeatable (shitty) quests.
The Campain quests are okay and very fun. But there are too few of them to support this idea.
The only way to effectivily kill botting is removing XP from mobs and only reward through Quest XP.
But then they will have to add a ton more quests to the game and up the XP you get per quest.
As this is ofcourse not gonna happen. It's an Asian MMO afterall. The only way to combat the bots is immediate hard / no remorse action and insta ban all of them!
Wich isn't happening and probably never will....... or when it's way too late and the game already tanked.
Cheers
THERE ARE OVER 1000 QUESTS FOR EACH REALM, HOW MANY QUESTS HAVE YOU DONE? AND THE NEW PATCH IT'S GOING TO INCREASE XP REWARD FROM QUESTS.
Quests xp reward are way too much already. just 3 easy quests in Abyss are 380k at level 25 and 1 run of the instance a player would receive over 1 M xp. So, don't pull something out of your behind.
Hey EMO boy. Maybe you should read the past few posts again. Before ruining the CAPSLOCK on your keyboard.
And get to lvl30 first and then come back here and we talk again about enough quests in the game.
I am getting fed up with people just making 10 or 20 levels and then start raving there is no grind in this game.
Everyone who has been long enough around knows that the REAL grind starts after level25 - 27 and that you will have to grind 80-90 % of your bar to level up at the higher levels.
And it's not only XP we are talking about here. These bots also farm insane amounts of loot and dump them on the broker, that suppose to be rare and hard to get through LEGAL intended play.
Good for you. Then you know darn well, you have had to grind a lot to reach that level and that it's impossible to get to that level with quests alone.
I am not against grinding. But the whole discussion here wasn't about that. It was about that massive grinding for XP promotes botting and makes it easy for botters.
Sorry you didn't enjoy the spam, but it seems others have gotten around this and block them every so often. As you have said a good game, but accusing a company of being in league with the spammers and botters is rediculous indeed.
Only being out three weeks, they are looking into ways to stop it and their is a little program on Aion Source that might help.
True its only been a few weeks. But whats the excuse for NCsofts Linage2 being overrun by bots and spammers? Lets see how quickly and consistently they address this problem in Aion.
Good for you. Then you know darn well, you have had to grind a lot to reach that level and that it's impossible to get to that level with quests alone.
I am not against grinding. But the whole discussion here wasn't about that. It was about that massive grinding for XP promotes botting and makes it easy for botters.
Cheers
that's right I know because I DID NOT grind at all. I have to delete so many quests because I level up too fast. old quests are just too low for me. I bet you die all the time in the game that's why you said "Quest didn't give you enough xp" because of death penalty. You lost part of xp forever, even you can fix your xp but only part of it. Guess what L2P.
LOL! Nice try. I play a chanter and died maybe three times so far. Dead penalty isn't that harsh at all as some people whine about.
People forgot about how EQ1 and how EQ2 was around launch. Now those were harsh deathpenalties, shared XP debts when in group and long corpse runs.
And when you die yo don't lose any XP, you go to the soul healer and poop. you got your XP back. Just costs some coin.
But we are derailing the topic. As it's about the insane botting and spamming that's going on.
Good for you. Then you know darn well, you have had to grind a lot to reach that level and that it's impossible to get to that level with quests alone.
I am not against grinding. But the whole discussion here wasn't about that. It was about that massive grinding for XP promotes botting and makes it easy for botters.
Cheers
that's right I know because I DID NOT grind at all. I have to delete so many quests because I level up too fast. old quests are just too low for me. I bet you die all the time in the game that's why you said "Quest didn't give you enough xp" because of death penalty. You lost part of xp forever, even you can fix your xp but only part of it. Guess what L2P.
LOL! Nice try. I play a chanter and died maybe three times so far. Dead penalty isn't that harsh at all as some people whine about.
People forgot about how EQ1 and how EQ2 was around launch. Now those were harsh deathpenalties, shared XP debts when in group and long corpse runs.
And when you die yo don't lose any XP, you go to the soul healer and poop. you got your XP back. Just costs some coin.
But we are derailing the topic. As it's about the insane botting and spamming that's going on.
Cheers
don't bother discussing with teco, he's shown over and over that he's full of crap. it's really just a waste of your time.
Your Quitting because of one small reason? you have a block spam button, use it. takes a second to right click on a name and press enter. I havnt seen many farm bots yet i dont think, might change though...
You guys complaining about bots should just be complaining about the failboat set of players that are making those bots spam in the first place. the truth is, they wouldn't do it if it wasn't working. yes, thats right: its the players fault for buying fake money with real money because they are too fail to play the game and earn money/items/abyss points the proper way.
the fact is: any mmo will have spammers, because people STILL BUY FROM THEM.
if you dont like to right click a few people and click block to seriously end the spam completely, you need to stfu and stop playing MMO's.
Am i missing something or did people forget that there are gold farmers, power-levelers and people who u spam u about the services?
There will always be those to some extent. But Blizzard seems to have become rather effective in dealing with those. From my experience the Asian games tend to have worse problems with those. I'm not quite certain as to the reason.
Am i missing something or did people forget that there are gold farmers, power-levelers and people who u spam u about the services?
There will always be those to some extent. But Blizzard seems to have become rather effective in dealing with those. From my experience the Asian games tend to have worse problems with those. I'm not quite certain as to the reason.
I would hardly call that effective. Blizzards actions against gold spammers and bots have had a negative effect too. A rise in account theft.
Due to restrictions to trial accounts, it has become increasingly attractive for gold spammers/farmers to steal accounts. So they can spam with high level characters, create new characters that are completely free to use trade channel and whisper, rob the account clean of gold instead of farming, using the gathering skills of high level characters. All without even paying for the account.
I just fail to understand how someone who doesn't like the game will just come in and say "Im quitting"... and then not expect flaming responses.
Seriously... you think anyone here gives a flying shit if this guy quits? Of course not...
I fail to understand how someone that likes the game will just come in guns a blazing at anyone that says they don't like the game. Why should they expect flaming? He was only posting an opinion, their own opinion. They weren't flaming anyone, so they shouldn't expect flaming back. You like Aion and that's great. We're glad your happy. But some of the fanboys need to realize that not everyone is going to like the game.
And yes people out there do care to hear why they no longer want to play. Seeing as they supposedly enjoyed the game. People on the fence want to know the good and bad. Who is going to tell them the negative aspects of the game? People like you? hardly. Honestly I wished I had seen more negative posts before I pre-ordered it. I wouldn't have wasted my time in beta as I feel it is hands down the worst mmo experience I've ever had. From the super narrow and linear world to the mobs with "awesome" names like 2 day sparky to other players running around with names like dickbutt. Again, only my personal opinion and no amount of flaming me for saying it will change that.
Am i missing something or did people forget that there are gold farmers, power-levelers and people who u spam u about the services?
There will always be those to some extent. But Blizzard seems to have become rather effective in dealing with those. From my experience the Asian games tend to have worse problems with those. I'm not quite certain as to the reason.
I would hardly call that effective. Blizzards actions against gold spammers and bots have had a negative effect too. A rise in account theft.
Due to restrictions to trial accounts, it has become increasingly attractive for gold spammers/farmers to steal accounts. So they can spam with high level characters, create new characters that are completely free to use trade channel and whisper, rob the account clean of gold instead of farming, using the gathering skills of high level characters. All without even paying for the account.
Yes, I've heard about that. Its one of the reasons that Blizzard has added digital authenticators to their system. I've not heard of anyone losing an account protected by one. I wish more games had that option.
the fact is: any mmo will have spammers, because people STILL BUY FROM THEM.
Saw no single gold spammer in FE since I play it. And the game has only one single realm, meaning if any goldspammer would spam everyone (who enabled the chat) would see it.
I agree though: goldvendors exist because people use the service.
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Is that so you do realize you can block people, and or turn off the chat channels but you now quit and rant about it on http://www.mmorpg.com/ seems logical to me.
/smirk
Gold spam is a bad reason to recommend people not buying Aion.
Since as far as I can tell, it happens in every game. Especially when the game is new.
too late !! I already bought the game and am having a great time. But, thanks anyways !!
It's very apparent when someones talking out of their ass.
@ the OP l2p
A lot of insecurity in this thread. I love watching fanboi vs troll threads.. hehe.
Lol I agree OP. Just some of the fanbois are wearing their rose tented glasses. They could banhammer their accounts but they dont, they do thier chars. It would cost them more to rebuy the game otherwise and they wouldnt spam the channels as they do. Could NCsoft be in on it somehow. Perhaps, perhaps not. No one knows but them.
The funny part is i came across the stark realization that my crafting grinding would be meaningless as i grinded for more money to fund it, the obvious thought occured to me, "well if they are spamming so much they must be selling some gold" then "what would people do with so much gold, people easily get drops to replace most armor"
then it hit me... "they are using that gold to power level their crafting skills, they have to be.." then i thought about how much of the AH has stuff sold by gold farmers and cringed. My grinding smithing became meaningless and not worth it.
So yeah... gg Aion gg...
Have fun with your AH based gold farming game.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
Then you should come and look on my EU server Gorgos.
Last night I saw on one single spot, one single channel already more then 10 Kinah Farming bots farming their merry way. All with names like djmQFX, jkFL, Jeasd, etc, etc. All gladiators, no title, no legion, yada yada yada.
The botting is totally out of control. Just like the spamming.
These frigging farming bots are already flooding the broker with insane amounts of loot. Loot that suppose to be rare and hard to get!
They are already heavily impacting the game and completely ruining the ingame economy.
If NCWest hasn't done anything within two weeks when my first 30 days run out. I cancel and I'm out!
If it was a pure PVE game I could be as half annoyed as I am now.
But AION is a highly competitive game. So these frigging botters (As there are plenty of so called legit players, even in legions, botting as well) get a unfair and very high advantage over everyone else! They farm insane amounts of kinah. They are high level much faster and so able to farm AP like mad before everyone else. Buy the best PVP gear before everyone else and so be able to stomp and dominate everyone else in PVP. Wich is pretty much already happening on some servers. Where complete Legions botted their way up and were capturing fortresses within a week already!!
Everyone who has played Lineage 2 knows how it can get out of hand. It's one of the worst games there is, completely in control of the botters.
No thanks.
Then you should come and look on my EU server Gorgos.
Last night I saw on one single spot, one single channel already more then 10 Kinah Farming bots farming their merry way. All with names like djmQFX, jkFL, Jeasd, etc, etc. All gladiators, no title, no legion, yada yada yada.
The botting is totally out of control. Just like the spamming.
These frigging farming bots are already flooding the broker with insane amounts of loot. Loot that suppose to be rare and hard to get!
They are already heavily impacting the game and completely ruining the ingame economy.
If NCWest hasn't done anything within two weeks when my first 30 days run out. I cancel and I'm out!
If it was a pure PVE game I could be as half annoyed as I am now.
But AION is a highly competitive game. So these frigging botters (As there are plenty of so called legit players, even in legions, botting as well) get a unfair and very high advantage over everyone else! They farm insane amounts of kinah. They are high level much faster and so able to farm AP like mad before everyone else. Buy the best PVP gear before everyone else and so be able to stomp and dominate everyone else in PVP. Wich is pretty much already happening on some servers. Where complete Legions botted their way up and were capturing fortresses within a week already!!
Everyone who has played Lineage 2 knows how it can get out of hand. It's one of the worst games there is, completely in control of the botters.
No thanks.
Yeah the econ in this game on every server is getting hosed fast lol. GG.
"Do not fret! Your captain is about to enter Valhalla!" - General Beatrix of Alexandria
"The acquisition of knowledge is of use to the intellect, for nothing can be loved or hated without first being known." - Leo da Vinci
What I would suggest to NCSoft is only allowing whispers from those on your friends list.
As for botting - reduce rewards when staying in the same area for extended times. You could also only reward questing (at a higher than current rate).
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That won't work as the game isn't designed for that.
First there aren't enough quests. Later on, it's even mostly repeatable (shitty) quests.
The Campain quests are okay and very fun. But there are too few of them to support this idea.
The only way to effectivily kill botting is removing XP from mobs and only reward through Quest XP.
But then they will have to add a ton more quests to the game and up the XP you get per quest.
As this is ofcourse not gonna happen. It's an Asian MMO afterall. The only way to combat the bots is immediate hard / no remorse action and insta ban all of them!
Wich isn't happening and probably never will....... or when it's way too late and the game already tanked.
Cheers
That won't work as the game isn't designed for that.
First there aren't enough quests. Later on, it's even mostly repeatable (shitty) quests.
The Campain quests are okay and very fun. But there are too few of them to support this idea.
The only way to effectivily kill botting is removing XP from mobs and only reward through Quest XP.
But then they will have to add a ton more quests to the game and up the XP you get per quest.
As this is ofcourse not gonna happen. It's an Asian MMO afterall. The only way to combat the bots is immediate hard / no remorse action and insta ban all of them!
Wich isn't happening and probably never will....... or when it's way too late and the game already tanked.
Cheers
THERE ARE OVER 1000 QUESTS FOR EACH REALM, HOW MANY QUESTS HAVE YOU DONE? AND THE NEW PATCH IT'S GOING TO INCREASE XP REWARD FROM QUESTS.
Quests xp reward are way too much already. just 3 easy quests in Abyss are 380k at level 25 and 1 run of the instance a player would receive over 1 M xp. So, don't pull something out of your behind.
Hey EMO boy. Maybe you should read the past few posts again. Before ruining the CAPSLOCK on your keyboard.
And get to lvl30 first and then come back here and we talk again about enough quests in the game.
I am getting fed up with people just making 10 or 20 levels and then start raving there is no grind in this game.
Everyone who has been long enough around knows that the REAL grind starts after level25 - 27 and that you will have to grind 80-90 % of your bar to level up at the higher levels.
And it's not only XP we are talking about here. These bots also farm insane amounts of loot and dump them on the broker, that suppose to be rare and hard to get through LEGAL intended play.
Cheers
Good for you. Then you know darn well, you have had to grind a lot to reach that level and that it's impossible to get to that level with quests alone.
I am not against grinding. But the whole discussion here wasn't about that. It was about that massive grinding for XP promotes botting and makes it easy for botters.
Cheers
True its only been a few weeks. But whats the excuse for NCsofts Linage2 being overrun by bots and spammers? Lets see how quickly and consistently they address this problem in Aion.
Good for you. Then you know darn well, you have had to grind a lot to reach that level and that it's impossible to get to that level with quests alone.
I am not against grinding. But the whole discussion here wasn't about that. It was about that massive grinding for XP promotes botting and makes it easy for botters.
Cheers
that's right I know because I DID NOT grind at all. I have to delete so many quests because I level up too fast. old quests are just too low for me. I bet you die all the time in the game that's why you said "Quest didn't give you enough xp" because of death penalty. You lost part of xp forever, even you can fix your xp but only part of it. Guess what L2P.
LOL! Nice try. I play a chanter and died maybe three times so far. Dead penalty isn't that harsh at all as some people whine about.
People forgot about how EQ1 and how EQ2 was around launch. Now those were harsh deathpenalties, shared XP debts when in group and long corpse runs.
And when you die yo don't lose any XP, you go to the soul healer and poop. you got your XP back. Just costs some coin.
But we are derailing the topic. As it's about the insane botting and spamming that's going on.
Cheers
Good for you. Then you know darn well, you have had to grind a lot to reach that level and that it's impossible to get to that level with quests alone.
I am not against grinding. But the whole discussion here wasn't about that. It was about that massive grinding for XP promotes botting and makes it easy for botters.
Cheers
that's right I know because I DID NOT grind at all. I have to delete so many quests because I level up too fast. old quests are just too low for me. I bet you die all the time in the game that's why you said "Quest didn't give you enough xp" because of death penalty. You lost part of xp forever, even you can fix your xp but only part of it. Guess what L2P.
LOL! Nice try. I play a chanter and died maybe three times so far. Dead penalty isn't that harsh at all as some people whine about.
People forgot about how EQ1 and how EQ2 was around launch. Now those were harsh deathpenalties, shared XP debts when in group and long corpse runs.
And when you die yo don't lose any XP, you go to the soul healer and poop. you got your XP back. Just costs some coin.
But we are derailing the topic. As it's about the insane botting and spamming that's going on.
Cheers
don't bother discussing with teco, he's shown over and over that he's full of crap. it's really just a waste of your time.
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Dude. Go flex your Epeen elsewhere. Now you just act like a stupid troll.
Your Quitting because of one small reason? you have a block spam button, use it. takes a second to right click on a name and press enter. I havnt seen many farm bots yet i dont think, might change though...
its a NCsoft what do you think they gonna ban RMT?
look at lineage2 lots of bots and RMT
Aion is same
in first month when korean aion was realesed there was 3x more bots than normal players
NCsoft dont care they want to earn money
yeah sure they can ban few botters just for show....
You guys complaining about bots should just be complaining about the failboat set of players that are making those bots spam in the first place. the truth is, they wouldn't do it if it wasn't working. yes, thats right: its the players fault for buying fake money with real money because they are too fail to play the game and earn money/items/abyss points the proper way.
the fact is: any mmo will have spammers, because people STILL BUY FROM THEM.
if you dont like to right click a few people and click block to seriously end the spam completely, you need to stfu and stop playing MMO's.
Am i missing something or did people forget that there are gold farmers, power-levelers and people who u spam u about the services?
There will always be those to some extent. But Blizzard seems to have become rather effective in dealing with those. From my experience the Asian games tend to have worse problems with those. I'm not quite certain as to the reason.
There will always be those to some extent. But Blizzard seems to have become rather effective in dealing with those. From my experience the Asian games tend to have worse problems with those. I'm not quite certain as to the reason.
I would hardly call that effective. Blizzards actions against gold spammers and bots have had a negative effect too. A rise in account theft.
Due to restrictions to trial accounts, it has become increasingly attractive for gold spammers/farmers to steal accounts. So they can spam with high level characters, create new characters that are completely free to use trade channel and whisper, rob the account clean of gold instead of farming, using the gathering skills of high level characters. All without even paying for the account.
I fail to understand how someone that likes the game will just come in guns a blazing at anyone that says they don't like the game. Why should they expect flaming? He was only posting an opinion, their own opinion. They weren't flaming anyone, so they shouldn't expect flaming back. You like Aion and that's great. We're glad your happy. But some of the fanboys need to realize that not everyone is going to like the game.
And yes people out there do care to hear why they no longer want to play. Seeing as they supposedly enjoyed the game. People on the fence want to know the good and bad. Who is going to tell them the negative aspects of the game? People like you? hardly. Honestly I wished I had seen more negative posts before I pre-ordered it. I wouldn't have wasted my time in beta as I feel it is hands down the worst mmo experience I've ever had. From the super narrow and linear world to the mobs with "awesome" names like 2 day sparky to other players running around with names like dickbutt. Again, only my personal opinion and no amount of flaming me for saying it will change that.
There will always be those to some extent. But Blizzard seems to have become rather effective in dealing with those. From my experience the Asian games tend to have worse problems with those. I'm not quite certain as to the reason.
I would hardly call that effective. Blizzards actions against gold spammers and bots have had a negative effect too. A rise in account theft.
Due to restrictions to trial accounts, it has become increasingly attractive for gold spammers/farmers to steal accounts. So they can spam with high level characters, create new characters that are completely free to use trade channel and whisper, rob the account clean of gold instead of farming, using the gathering skills of high level characters. All without even paying for the account.
Yes, I've heard about that. Its one of the reasons that Blizzard has added digital authenticators to their system. I've not heard of anyone losing an account protected by one. I wish more games had that option.
Saw no single gold spammer in FE since I play it. And the game has only one single realm, meaning if any goldspammer would spam everyone (who enabled the chat) would see it.
I agree though: goldvendors exist because people use the service.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)