You could pretty much upload any image. That doesn't mean it won't be reported and action won't be taken.
Yeah - It really is that simple.
Hard not to smile a little at the "uproar" here. WoW "lore" is basically built on Warhammer (long before the EA MMO game) and Blizzard had to do a few changes before launch because they failed to obtain the rights to use the official IP.
Oh well - water under the bridge and now the youngsters think WoW is "original"
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!! (repeat ad infinitum)
as a fan of WoW lore i find it insulting to see the Lordaeron icon in a game like Aion tho'.
I don't want to see any WoW symbols in aions pathetic world.
then wow should stop ripping stuff off lotr then:P untill then you should just stfu
link or gtfo
another sad day for mankind go watch the lotr movies then come back or gtfo dumb dumb or no go read the books even but i doubt you have ever read a book tho
This is by far one of the most ignorant things uttered.. ALL fantasy based games are based on Tolkien's works because the original D&D game from 1973 was based on it. It's why it is held in such esteem and why it's generally (except by you, apparently) known as the foundation of the fantasy genre.
Ironically, the piece of crap online game that bears it's name is one of the last I'd call "true" to the original works.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
No, when the legion (guild) reaches rank 3, the leader can upload a picture as the legion's logo. the wow logo there is just something the leader uploaded from his pc.
that sir, i did not know, however, its ridiculous that its possible, for example you could also upload a swastika? LOL
If i could upload a Swastika i was playing Aion right now lol.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
If you actually took the time to read the page provided, you would've noticed the research result was provided by Legatum Institute.
"The Legatum Institute is an independent research, policy, and advocacy organisation that promotes political, economic and individual liberty in the developing and transitioning world." A quote from their webpage.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
No, when the legion (guild) reaches rank 3, the leader can upload a picture as the legion's logo. the wow logo there is just something the leader uploaded from his pc.
that sir, i did not know, however, its ridiculous that its possible, for example you could also upload a swastika? LOL
If i could upload a Swastika i was playing Aion right now lol.
you actually could if you wanted, and as lax as ncsoft is you wouldn't get into trouble for it. the guild i'm in is "the knights of ni' and we have the actual coat of arms for the knights of ni from the movie on our tabbard shrub and all..lol
You ever think that maybe it was a player who made that? IDK just throwing that out. IDK if there is customizable cloaks and stuff. But if NC soft did rip it off then thats just funny.
@ Vladkov I dont see why you can't use the "Swastika" Hitler wasn't the first one to use that symbol. The Japanese have used it and many other cultures have as well.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
You ever think that maybe it was a player who made that? IDK just throwing that out. IDK if there is customizable cloaks and stuff. But if NC soft did rip it off then thats just funny.
@ Vladkov I dont see why you can't use the "Swastika" Hitler wasn't the first one to use that symbol. The Japanese have used it and many other cultures have as well.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Indeed, if you are going to ban one offensive symbol you need to ban them all. I support free expression.
You ever think that maybe it was a player who made that? IDK just throwing that out. IDK if there is customizable cloaks and stuff. But if NC soft did rip it off then thats just funny.
@ Vladkov I dont see why you can't use the "Swastika" Hitler wasn't the first one to use that symbol. The Japanese have used it and many other cultures have as well.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Originally posted by Perilous1 This is by far one of the most ignorant things uttered.. ALL fantasy based games are based on Tolkien's works because the original D&D game from 1973 was based on it. It's why it is held in such esteem and why it's generally (except by you, apparently) known as the foundation of the fantasy genre.
Ironically, the piece of crap online game that bears it's name is one of the last I'd call "true" to the original works.
Okay...I'm gonna stop you right there. Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Dragons, Undead, Magic, Curses, and almost every single other possible thing you can think of in Tolkien's works are from ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY from around the world dating back upwards to a thousand years of more.
The reality of the matter is that the entire fantasy genre is nothing but an expansion upon ancient Norse, Germanic, Egyptian, Japanese, etc. mythology and culture.
I get sick of people saying "Oh, that was just ripped off from Tolkien" because quite frankly, he stole it as well.
And just so ya know, I love his works. Definately prefer the Hobbit over Lord of the Rings though. Frodo was a whiny emo teenager. Bilbo was awesome.
Has anyone brought up the fact that if Blizzard has that symbol trademarked and NCSoft reproduced it in a game...such as if a publisher reproduced an image in their magazine...that they are liable for a lawsuit for unauthorized use. Even if they did not realize that it was in their game.
You ever think that maybe it was a player who made that? IDK just throwing that out. IDK if there is customizable cloaks and stuff. But if NC soft did rip it off then thats just funny.
@ Vladkov I dont see why you can't use the "Swastika" Hitler wasn't the first one to use that symbol. The Japanese have used it and many other cultures have as well.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years.
I would argue that politics and greed have killed more than any religion ever has. WW2 was not a religious war. Ganghis Khan killing millions on his march was not religious. African tribes killing every man woman and child in enemy tribes was not religious, Stalin's eradication of "enemies of the state" was not religious. What ever anyone say governments, leaders, politicians, and 'organized groups' commit more evil in this world but only religion gets the blame.
You ever think that maybe it was a player who made that? IDK just throwing that out. IDK if there is customizable cloaks and stuff. But if NC soft did rip it off then thats just funny.
@ Vladkov I dont see why you can't use the "Swastika" Hitler wasn't the first one to use that symbol. The Japanese have used it and many other cultures have as well.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years.
I'm thinking the way you do, but I'm afraid you're talking to deaf ears.
Christian have always been very keen in changing their skin when any of their wrongdoings comes to light.
But to the topic: I bet that logo has come along with some WoW player/group/guild/legion. They're leaving in flocks and the new haven is... Aion. Sorry.
You ever think that maybe it was a player who made that? IDK just throwing that out. IDK if there is customizable cloaks and stuff. But if NC soft did rip it off then thats just funny.
@ Vladkov I dont see why you can't use the "Swastika" Hitler wasn't the first one to use that symbol. The Japanese have used it and many other cultures have as well.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years.
South Park seems to understand it but apparently you don't. (which is pretty sad because South Park is a stupid but funny show)
If people aren't fighting over God then they'll find something else to fight over. Saying Religions causes war is true but people will always find conflicts to fight over (territory, race, resources, etc)
another sad day for mankind go watch the lotr movies then come back or gtfo dumb dumb or no go read the books even but i doubt you have ever read a book tho
The swastika will very likely remain linked with Nazism for as long as history endures in the western world. It is now the closest thing to something symbolic of evil, and rightly so, as the unavoidable association with so called "Aryanism" has made what was once considered a harmless token of good luck, representative of the absolute worst in mankind. The symbol's own history in the west has been superseded by the memory of the Holocaust, making it's use utterly inapropiate and offensive.
While it's use is officially banned in Germany and a few other countries in Europe which were occupied during World War II, it is by no means illegal to use in most of the western world and it's use remains more widespread than many people would think. It's use it's not banned in my country (Mexico) where unfortunately it's not an uncommon thing to find.
The swastika in the east remains a different thing altogether, although it should be pointed that the traditional symbol is rarely the same as the one once used in Germany (Buddhist use a rounded symbol which faces the oposite way and is complemented by dots for instance). However the radicalization of the Arab-Israeli conflict has encouraged an unacceptable trend towards apropiation of Nazi regalia in countries like India or Iran (Which in farsi means "land of the Aryan") that makes it's use inapropiate even for people originating in these regions of the world.
Just to make things clear... I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
If you actually took the time to read the page provided, you would've noticed the research result was provided by Legatum Institute.
"The Legatum Institute is an independent research, policy, and advocacy organisation that promotes political, economic and individual liberty in the developing and transitioning world." A quote from their webpage.
Any other opinions?
You're the one that originally posted "According to UK", you blouse-wearing poodle walker. Maybe read your own sources.
Originally posted by Perilous1 This is by far one of the most ignorant things uttered.. ALL fantasy based games are based on Tolkien's works because the original D&D game from 1973 was based on it. It's why it is held in such esteem and why it's generally (except by you, apparently) known as the foundation of the fantasy genre.
Ironically, the piece of crap online game that bears it's name is one of the last I'd call "true" to the original works.
Okay...I'm gonna stop you right there. Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Dragons, Undead, Magic, Curses, and almost every single other possible thing you can think of in Tolkien's works are from ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY from around the world dating back upwards to a thousand years of more.
The reality of the matter is that the entire fantasy genre is nothing but an expansion upon ancient Norse, Germanic, Egyptian, Japanese, etc. mythology and culture.
I get sick of people saying "Oh, that was just ripped off from Tolkien" because quite frankly, he stole it as well.
And just so ya know, I love his works. Definately prefer the Hobbit over Lord of the Rings though. Frodo was a whiny emo teenager. Bilbo was awesome.
I never once said that Tolkien's works weren't based on mythology. What I said was that D&D is based on Tolkien's works specifically, this is acknowledged by the creators themselves many times. And if there is any doubt that the vast majority of fantasy-based games exist today due directly to pen-and-paper D&D than you have your head squarely up your own ass.
Ancient Mythology itself is based on popular superstition. So it is hardly original in and of itself.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
If you actually took the time to read the page provided, you would've noticed the research result was provided by Legatum Institute. "The Legatum Institute is an independent research, policy, and advocacy organisation that promotes political, economic and individual liberty in the developing and transitioning world." A quote from their webpage. Any other opinions?
You're the one that originally posted "According to UK", you blouse-wearing poodle walker. Maybe read your own sources.
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Lol seriously a rage thread on some stupid picture?
Do they have copyright on it? no so they can use it as much as they want even in hello kitty if it would be possible.
But thanks you made me have a small laugh before going to sleep.
Yeah - It really is that simple.
Hard not to smile a little at the "uproar" here. WoW "lore" is basically built on Warhammer (long before the EA MMO game) and Blizzard had to do a few changes before launch because they failed to obtain the rights to use the official IP.
Oh well - water under the bridge and now the youngsters think WoW is "original"
We dont need casuals in our games!!! Errm... Well we DO need casuals to fund and populate our games - But the games should be all about "hardcore" because: We dont need casuals in our games!!!
(repeat ad infinitum)
Wow bitter much that USA is the best country in the world?
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
Another thread made by a WoW fanboy. Better get some infos before postin this gibberish.
PS: if you wanna play a real good game play Aion and forget the cartoonish antiquated sh1t WoW
I don't want to see any WoW symbols in aions pathetic world.
then wow should stop ripping stuff off lotr then:P untill then you should just stfu
link or gtfo
another sad day for mankind go watch the lotr movies then come back or gtfo dumb dumb or no go read the books even but i doubt you have ever read a book tho
This is by far one of the most ignorant things uttered.. ALL fantasy based games are based on Tolkien's works because the original D&D game from 1973 was based on it. It's why it is held in such esteem and why it's generally (except by you, apparently) known as the foundation of the fantasy genre.
Ironically, the piece of crap online game that bears it's name is one of the last I'd call "true" to the original works.
Wow bitter much that USA is the best country in the world?
Based on?
According to UK, USA is 9th.
Wow bitter much that USA is the best country in the world?
Based on?
According to UK, USA is 9th.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
that sir, i did not know, however, its ridiculous that its possible, for example you could also upload a swastika? LOL
If i could upload a Swastika i was playing Aion right now lol.
Wow bitter much that USA is the best country in the world?
Based on?
According to UK, USA is 9th.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
If you actually took the time to read the page provided, you would've noticed the research result was provided by Legatum Institute.
"The Legatum Institute is an independent research, policy, and advocacy organisation that promotes political, economic and individual liberty in the developing and transitioning world." A quote from their webpage.
Any other opinions?
Wow bitter much that USA is the best country in the world?
Based on?
According to UK, USA is 9th.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
According to the HDI, the US is number 13..
that sir, i did not know, however, its ridiculous that its possible, for example you could also upload a swastika? LOL
If i could upload a Swastika i was playing Aion right now lol.
you actually could if you wanted, and as lax as ncsoft is you wouldn't get into trouble for it. the guild i'm in is "the knights of ni' and we have the actual coat of arms for the knights of ni from the movie on our tabbard shrub and all..lol
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Indeed, if you are going to ban one offensive symbol you need to ban them all. I support free expression.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Okay...I'm gonna stop you right there. Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Dragons, Undead, Magic, Curses, and almost every single other possible thing you can think of in Tolkien's works are from ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY from around the world dating back upwards to a thousand years of more.
The reality of the matter is that the entire fantasy genre is nothing but an expansion upon ancient Norse, Germanic, Egyptian, Japanese, etc. mythology and culture.
I get sick of people saying "Oh, that was just ripped off from Tolkien" because quite frankly, he stole it as well.
And just so ya know, I love his works. Definately prefer the Hobbit over Lord of the Rings though. Frodo was a whiny emo teenager. Bilbo was awesome.
Has anyone brought up the fact that if Blizzard has that symbol trademarked and NCSoft reproduced it in a game...such as if a publisher reproduced an image in their magazine...that they are liable for a lawsuit for unauthorized use. Even if they did not realize that it was in their game.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years.
I would argue that politics and greed have killed more than any religion ever has. WW2 was not a religious war. Ganghis Khan killing millions on his march was not religious. African tribes killing every man woman and child in enemy tribes was not religious, Stalin's eradication of "enemies of the state" was not religious. What ever anyone say governments, leaders, politicians, and 'organized groups' commit more evil in this world but only religion gets the blame.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years.
I'm thinking the way you do, but I'm afraid you're talking to deaf ears.
Christian have always been very keen in changing their skin when any of their wrongdoings comes to light.
EDIT: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!-- Monty Python
But to the topic: I bet that logo has come along with some WoW player/group/guild/legion. They're leaving in flocks and the new haven is... Aion. Sorry.
The Swastika used by Hitler is not the same as the symbol used by a few other countries. And you're thinking China not Japan.
So no, Hitler's Swastika should never be allowed in a game.
Because....?
Christianity has killed more people worldwide than nazis were able to kill.
And yet their symbol is allowed to show in public.
Christianity does not say to wage war, people do. Perhaps you should ban the symbols of men and women they put on toilet doors the world over?
Religion... along with Christianity in the past has certainly waged war... crusades? Jihad? Religion is definately the source of more evil than good in the world if you look at it over the last 2000 years.
South Park seems to understand it but apparently you don't. (which is pretty sad because South Park is a stupid but funny show)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go_God_Go
If people aren't fighting over God then they'll find something else to fight over. Saying Religions causes war is true but people will always find conflicts to fight over (territory, race, resources, etc)
Trolls = Hardcore
Fanbois = Carebears
The only posts I read in threads are my own.
I find the irony in this illiterate's post rich!
The swastika will very likely remain linked with Nazism for as long as history endures in the western world. It is now the closest thing to something symbolic of evil, and rightly so, as the unavoidable association with so called "Aryanism" has made what was once considered a harmless token of good luck, representative of the absolute worst in mankind. The symbol's own history in the west has been superseded by the memory of the Holocaust, making it's use utterly inapropiate and offensive.
While it's use is officially banned in Germany and a few other countries in Europe which were occupied during World War II, it is by no means illegal to use in most of the western world and it's use remains more widespread than many people would think. It's use it's not banned in my country (Mexico) where unfortunately it's not an uncommon thing to find.
The swastika in the east remains a different thing altogether, although it should be pointed that the traditional symbol is rarely the same as the one once used in Germany (Buddhist use a rounded symbol which faces the oposite way and is complemented by dots for instance). However the radicalization of the Arab-Israeli conflict has encouraged an unacceptable trend towards apropiation of Nazi regalia in countries like India or Iran (Which in farsi means "land of the Aryan") that makes it's use inapropiate even for people originating in these regions of the world.
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
Wow bitter much that USA is the best country in the world?
Based on?
According to UK, USA is 9th.
I would think the UK would know better than to try ranking other countries in any way. They have their own non-stop scandals to deal with and frankly have become just a pale shadow of the empire they once were. It's a different world and monarchies don't much fit in anymore.
If you actually took the time to read the page provided, you would've noticed the research result was provided by Legatum Institute.
"The Legatum Institute is an independent research, policy, and advocacy organisation that promotes political, economic and individual liberty in the developing and transitioning world." A quote from their webpage.
Any other opinions?
You're the one that originally posted "According to UK", you blouse-wearing poodle walker. Maybe read your own sources.
Okay...I'm gonna stop you right there. Elves, Dwarves, Orcs, Dragons, Undead, Magic, Curses, and almost every single other possible thing you can think of in Tolkien's works are from ANCIENT MYTHOLOGY from around the world dating back upwards to a thousand years of more.
The reality of the matter is that the entire fantasy genre is nothing but an expansion upon ancient Norse, Germanic, Egyptian, Japanese, etc. mythology and culture.
I get sick of people saying "Oh, that was just ripped off from Tolkien" because quite frankly, he stole it as well.
And just so ya know, I love his works. Definately prefer the Hobbit over Lord of the Rings though. Frodo was a whiny emo teenager. Bilbo was awesome.
I never once said that Tolkien's works weren't based on mythology. What I said was that D&D is based on Tolkien's works specifically, this is acknowledged by the creators themselves many times. And if there is any doubt that the vast majority of fantasy-based games exist today due directly to pen-and-paper D&D than you have your head squarely up your own ass.
Ancient Mythology itself is based on popular superstition. So it is hardly original in and of itself.
Win.
Poodle-walker. ROFL. I'm using that.
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