It will fail to the WoW type players thats for sure.
I can only pray.
Likewise.
WoW is a good game, but for so many, it was their very first MMO, and now, it is the basis on which they judge absolutely everything when it comes to MMO's. If a new MMO doesn't fit into what they were trained to accept and/or expect, then it's just pages and pages of "epic fail" threads before they go back to WoW.
When WAR came out, it was horrible. The chat channels and boards were plagued with the wow-tude's, and I feel like it jaded so many that might have actually liked the game. Now I'm not a WAR fanboi, actually, I left that game so long ago due to countless promises that weren't delievered on, and an overall bad launch. (anyone who played, knows what I'm talking about here)
Either way, I have high hopes for ToR, and all of the doomsday predictions are tiresome. At least let the game come out before it gets trashed. Because if WoW was your first MMO, and you are trashing ToR already, folks really need to broaden horizons a bit before your opinion can be taken seriously.
With Bioware behind the plate and the amount of Star Wars fans out there TOR is basically a sure success imo. Fans will play it no matter how bad it is (im sure it'll be good though) I likely won't bother with this MMO because I dont care for Star Wars much but theres no way TOR will fail. Hopefully its as good as everyones hoping!!
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People will play it because it is star wars, especially considering that old SWG people have been waiting forever for their salvation, just to be back in a star wars game they like again.
I think the game will fail because they're gonna force you to max out an ewok or gungan jedi before you get access to other races/classes.
WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
With Bioware behind the plate and the amount of Star Wars fans out there TOR is basically a sure success imo. Fans will play it no matter how bad it is (im sure it'll be good though) I likely won't bother with this MMO because I dont care for Star Wars much but theres no way TOR will fail. Hopefully its as good as everyones hoping!!
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People will play it because it is star wars, especially considering that old SWG people have been waiting forever for their salvation, just to be back in a star wars game they like again.
Where have you been? It's these cranky SWG vets that are the loudest TOR trolls. Because while TOR is another Star Wars game, it's not a sandbox like SWG. You ever see these "Oh, TOR is so linear, it's basically a single-player game with a few multiplayer elements thrown in... it's going to fail!" threads? Well, guess what? Most of them are probably SWG vets who have nothing better to do. Can I blame them? Well, my sensitive side says no. They pretty much got screwed over by SOE and they deserve another nice game. But my logical side says "SHUT UP ALREADY! WE GET YOUR POINT! THIS WILL NOT BE ANOTHER SWG!"
Recently, it seems like these threads haven't been as abundant. That's good, maybe they're finally getting it. But then we get threads like this one, which aren't quite as bad because they're just funny. The OP tries to make a good point but doesn't quite make it...
With Bioware behind the plate and the amount of Star Wars fans out there TOR is basically a sure success imo. Fans will play it no matter how bad it is (im sure it'll be good though) I likely won't bother with this MMO because I dont care for Star Wars much but theres no way TOR will fail. Hopefully its as good as everyones hoping!!
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People will play it because it is star wars, especially considering that old SWG people have been waiting forever for their salvation, just to be back in a star wars game they like again.
Where have you been? It's these cranky SWG vets that are the loudest TOR trolls. Because while TOR is another Star Wars game, it's not a sandbox like SWG. You ever see these "Oh, TOR is so linear, it's basically a single-player game with a few multiplayer elements thrown in... it's going to fail!" threads? Well, guess what? Most of them are probably SWG vets who have nothing better to do. Can I blame them? Well, my sensitive side says no. They pretty much got screwed over by SOE and they deserve another nice game. But my logical side says "SHUT UP ALREADY! WE GET YOUR POINT! THIS WILL NOT BE ANOTHER SWG!"
Recently, it seems like these threads haven't been as abundant. That's good, maybe they're finally getting it. But then we get threads like this one, which aren't quite as bad because they're just funny. The OP tries to make a good point but doesn't quite make it...
I actually agree with everything you said, but they will still play it because it is another star wars MMO.
I think the game will fail because they're gonna force you to max out an ewok or gungan jedi before you get access to other races/classes.
WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
I'm just trying to feed the failbots more interesting unsubstantiated nonsense to spam the boards with.
By the way, I heard that all the wookies will have Emo style haircuts.
I think the game will fail because they're gonna force you to max out an ewok or gungan jedi before you get access to other races/classes.
WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
I'm just trying to feed the failbots more interesting unsubstantiated nonsense to spam the boards with.
By the way, I heard that all the wookies will have Emo style haircuts.
Will they hang out at mall food courts hating everyone and everything as well?
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I think the game will fail because they're gonna force you to max out an ewok or gungan jedi before you get access to other races/classes.
WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
I'm just trying to feed the failbots more interesting unsubstantiated nonsense to spam the boards with.
By the way, I heard that all the wookies will have Emo style haircuts.
I guess I'll have to say this again: Other than Bethesda, Bioware might be the best game developer of RPGs there is. And Other than Bethesda, there is no other company I would want creating Star Wars the Old Republic Online, period. I have recently purchased Dragon Age Origins and my jaw is consistently on the floor over the incredible storytelling and choice based storyline that exists within the game. The voice acting absolutely rocks and character creation is nearly at the level of City of Heroes character creating... it is unbelievable.. it is the BEST product Bioware has ever made up to this point (and yes that includes the Neverwinter Nights series which are so incredible in their own right.)
Now add all the fans of Star Wars. Add all those who had to deal with, and were ultimately let down by that abomination we all know as SWG and I cannot possible, under any circumstances short of the Apocalypse of TOR failing.. in fact, I believe the inverse will occur and TOR will become one of the most successful, most talked about game to come into the MMO genre since the advent of WoW...
I sort of understand the ideas behind what the OP said but I think the fears and assumptions that were said just are not viable nor rational nor relevant to whether or not TOR will be a success or failure.
TOR shows every sign it will be a success and until BETA and LIVE, I will continue that premise of thought
for the record, I also believe that Cryptic will do a good job with Star Trek Online and even though I know I'll probably catch flak from this community for saying that, so be it... opinions are what they are: opinions.
Do u think Bioware can´t create great story if they can´t let u become saviour of the galaxy? I think they can. Look at side quests in Jade empire. I was absolutely lost in them even if I wasn´t saving the world. I wasn´t doing those quests because of xp reward like in other games. I was feeling strong pressure to do something with the situation or to make the best of it. The reason why I was enjoying the story so much wasn´t saving the world but my relation to single parts of the world. And this is the thing only few companies can create (I don´t know about any else than Bioware).
But I see few problems about story based mmo. How dialogues will procced when u will be in a group? Everyone will answer by his own? (maybe this was already explained by Bioware, I don´t watch the news about the game very often) What if each player wants to solve the quest different way (I would be for a fight between players)? Leave group? These could be seen as disadvantages but if u find someone who wants to solve quests the same way as u, there will grow up strong relationship between u. Everyone is talking about disadvantages that has mmo story based game compared to single player game. But maybe mmo has even more advantages. Bioware could also implement story into pvp. For example after large amount of succeses in RvR/battlegrounds new missions could unlock.
BioWare makes good single player story driven RPGs. Although I personally don't like their games as much as Bethesdas games I will say they are the best at telling a story in an RPG. This will not transition well online. There will be too many chiefs and not enough indians. MMOs cannot put a select few people on a pedistal and label them as the chosen one. You are not a unique snowflake. Look at every other successful MMO: you are just another soldier or citizen of your race/faction fighting for the good of the kingdom. STO is also going to suffer from the same issue. Every player will be a captain of their own ship with an NPC controlled crew. SWG did an excellent job by making sure each player was a lowly grunt, and once they stood out by unlocking Jedi they had a hefty bounty placed on their head. This typee mechanic works well, and its a shame Crypic isn't doing something similar to allow for multiple player run ships. Soon we are going to have more popular IPs becoming MMOs just to capitalize on the power of the IP, going for the instant gratification appeal (like with SWG NGE) and allowing any newb who just subscribed to be a class that takes years of training to reach (LotRO NOT letting players become mages for this very reason) or wouldn't fit the lore at all (SWG making Jedi a selectable class).
Blizzard had no exp. aswell, they only made RTS and look at them, bottom line, a good game is a good game, you and no one can take that away, you got Bioware the King of RP, Star Wars a IP greater then WoW, Sci Fi an untanited field in the Mmo market, I fail to see how it can fail, many I mean many people HATE WoW but stills It's number 1 no matter what why? Well because its good and loads of people enjoy the world unlike 75% of all the other mmos out there, hell WoW has such a land slide on the other Mmo Ips out there that Blizzard held over 90% of the Mmo sub in the world for 5 stright years and still holds true for the most part, now SWtor failing, no way in hell only if the really mess up big time and I mean big time.
Bioware and Sw sell its self pretty much.
Look as much as people Love Sandbox, deep Crafting, Hardcore and all the other things that make alot of Mmo great, the bottom line is more people don't like that then do.
Blizzrds surpasses the rest, not because they have a better game but because they give people better game play and in the end thats what sells.
It will fail in the respect that thousands of people will buy it and subscribe.
It will fail in the respect that Bioware is a bloody brilliant RPG designer.
It will fail in the fact that it will ACTUALLY IMMERSE YOU into the universe, an aspect that literally all but a VERY few MMOs have accomplished.
MMOs are notorious for being very boring games, the only thing that saves them is the fact that you can play with others.
A company offers to make a game that actually has fun, entertaining aspects and people are like "LOL NO I WANNA MINDLESSLY GRIND TO LEVEL CAP LAWLAWLAWL, SCREW ANY SORT OF AWESOME INNOVATIONS"
You people make me sick.
Ignorance is the number one cause of preventable death in the world, and you wear it well.
Now all that said, I don't know if it will be a good game. Because I don't know sh*t about it, neither do you or anyone else.
So just stfu with these freaking retarded threads until the game actually comes out.
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Originally posted by Legato89 BioWare makes good single player story driven RPGs. Although I personally don't like their games as much as Bethesdas games I will say they are the best at telling a story in an RPG. This will not transition well online. There will be too many chiefs and not enough indians. MMOs cannot put a select few people on a pedistal and label them as the chosen one. You are not a unique snowflake. Look at every other successful MMO: you are just another soldier or citizen of your race/faction fighting for the good of the kingdom. STO is also going to suffer from the same issue. Every player will be a captain of their own ship with an NPC controlled crew. SWG did an excellent job by making sure each player was a lowly grunt, and once they stood out by unlocking Jedi they had a hefty bounty placed on their head. This typee mechanic works well, and its a shame Crypic isn't doing something similar to allow for multiple player run ships. Soon we are going to have more popular IPs becoming MMOs just to capitalize on the power of the IP, going for the instant gratification appeal (like with SWG NGE) and allowing any newb who just subscribed to be a class that takes years of training to reach (LotRO NOT letting players become mages for this very reason) or wouldn't fit the lore at all (SWG making Jedi a selectable class).
Ya you were kinda making sense (well compared to the other blind haters anyways) and then you went and tried to pick on LotRO.
Basically the second largest western MMO, who is now releasing it's second expansion in less than a month. So clearly you really haven't a bumpkis idea what the hell you're talking about.
These aren't the droids we're looking for people, move along.
It will fail to the WoW type players thats for sure.
I can only pray.
Do you honestly think it's WoW fanbois bashing ToR? It's all the hardcore, sandbox, pvp obsessed, gotta be able to gank ppl at lvl one and take all their stuff gamers that are constantly hitting this one. From what I've read, ToR is going to be more themepark, story focused making it more like WoW than one of the more hardcore sandbox games like Eve or DF. It doesn't matter if ToR comes out and is the greatest mmorpg ever made, it will still get dozens of threads made about how much it sucks. And the same if it comes out and is terrible, we'll get dozens of threads defending it no matter what. Remember all the flamefest threads for and against Aion that is only now easing up? Gear up for the next round with ToR.
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For me, it will depend on how well the multiplayer aspects are done. I love a good story driven RPG, but I'm not going to pay a subscription fee to play one with poor multiplayer elements, not when so many great single player games are on the market, not to mention free FPS PvP games with good RPG elements.
My biggest concerns are that the devs are leaning too hard on the fact that both the developer name (Bioware) and the IP (Star Wars) are already very popular. I trust Bioware not to be too overconfident, but EA? ... I can definitely see them deciding to just take the box sales money and run. Warhammer anyone?
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Could someone define for me fail in this context? For some years, we've been talking of games 'failing' despite successfully completing development and profiting from it.
What will The Old Republic fail to do, exactly? Break even? Run for more than a year? Five years? Fulfill your personal expectations? Garner more subscribers than World of WarCraft? Cause a paradigm shift in the genre? Bring peace to the Middle East? Be specific.
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Not to worry, guys, I'm here... Just let me... catch my... breath... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
So what's the hate for this time?? Ohhh, I've heard this before. Mark this [SPAM] and move along.
If you had a point to make, you lost me when you began your rather underwhelming rant on LOTRO. And anyone who brings SWG's whimsical weehaa into this is just begging for yours truly to melt your face. DUN-- DUN DUN DUN---- DUN DUN DUN--DUN DUN DUN---- DUN-- DUN DUN DUN--- DUN DUN DUN--- DUN DUN DUUUUN--- DUN DUN DUN DUN--- DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH-- DUH DUN-- DUN DUH DUH DUH DUH-- DUH DUN-- DUN DUN DUN-- DUN DUN DUN!!!
Face melt initiated:
First of all, I'd like to start by saying, "Hi. I'm THE Rooster Nash. And you're not." So, why on Earth do you think you have some idea of what's going on in the development of BioWare's already ULTRA-MEGA POPULAR sci-fi hit, SW:TOR?? You don't! Cause you're not THE Rooster Nash. But I'm not completely egocentric. There are others out there, much like me, who are just as awesome at telling you how it is. Ihmo, for instance, has a tendency to procure a decent banter from time to time; as does "greed". You, however, lack the understanding that goes into these sorts of things.
FLAME ON!!!
When it comes to "The Old Republic", and game-bashing before the release party has even began, you lose sight of two things:
you haven't been bestowed the prophetic gift that THE Rooster Nash passes on to those who are in fact knowledgable and deserving of;
your prediction lacks evidence.
Here's why:
First of all, uh, it just lacks evidence. Should I go on? Evidentally. You bring up past games as if they contrast the subject wisely, when it's obvious that they don't. How would YOU know that BioWare has failed to administer any sort of heroic stimulae for each person subscribing to the game? I'm going to assume that - even if you have played the beta - you do not.
Why, oh wise and powerful THE Rooster Nash, do you believe that I do NOT possess the knowledge of such information?
Well, that's simple... because you do NOT. The only way you could possibly have such information is if you were a developer for BioWare, in which case, your scorn for your own game would be rather... agenty... good word, and it has to do with the recent release of the 3rd Sith class... but it's not a pun... so, don't call it a pun. Or, I'll pun your face.
But here I am predicting your questions, as if you would even have any for me, which I know you do... but you do not share the gift of psychic powwwwuh, as I do. And that is my point. You lack the POWWWWUH to make such rash inclinations, given your vastly insuperior intelligence level, when compared to someone of my vastly... non... insuperior... intelligence level... I've just blown you away again with my vastness, which reaches through space and time and pulls an ostrich egg from an oven located somewhere within the Ostrich Nebula, from which I came (the egg, not the nebula).
But, again, I digress. And, I lose my point... I'll brb with an edit.
I'm back with the edit!
So, snowflakes... You honestly try to state your case with that? Were you trying to be clever?? Or gay? You are not THE Rooster Nash, so what gave you the idea that you were clever? To say that a hero should be like a snowflake... is... well, it's pretty gay dude. I don't wanna be a snowflake. Maybe I could be a fingerprint! Yeah, those are pretty rare and don't have such a homo-erotic context!
But even taking the snowflake into account, you WILL have your own sense of being. You WILL be a hero within the game. Maybe not YOU, per se, especially in PVP combat, but that's not to say that you wouldn't fit somewhere in PVP. I encourage you to go pick up the game when it's released. Because I feel that you need a lesson in awesomeness.
Alright, I'm not so bored anymore, so I'll close with this little tidbit:
This is BioWare's first MMORPG. You've even admitted, yourself, that they've produced good storyline within their RPGs, so for $60, why NOT at least play the game for that alone. Show some faith, not some ridiculous pre-judgemental slander that holds the weight of a speck of dust... on the moon. There are plenty of MMOs that are out right now to debunk. Go to Aion's forums. If you haven't played the game, it's still comparable to your bullshit decree against SW:TOR.
BioWare makes good single player story driven RPGs. Although I personally don't like their games as much as Bethesdas games I will say they are the best at telling a story in an RPG. This will not transition well online. There will be too many chiefs and not enough indians. MMOs cannot put a select few people on a pedistal and label them as the chosen one. You are not a unique snowflake. Look at every other successful MMO: you are just another soldier or citizen of your race/faction fighting for the good of the kingdom. STO is also going to suffer from the same issue. Every player will be a captain of their own ship with an NPC controlled crew. SWG did an excellent job by making sure each player was a lowly grunt, and once they stood out by unlocking Jedi they had a hefty bounty placed on their head. This typee mechanic works well, and its a shame Crypic isn't doing something similar to allow for multiple player run ships. Soon we are going to have more popular IPs becoming MMOs just to capitalize on the power of the IP, going for the instant gratification appeal (like with SWG NGE) and allowing any newb who just subscribed to be a class that takes years of training to reach (LotRO NOT letting players become mages for this very reason) or wouldn't fit the lore at all (SWG making Jedi a selectable class).
You are serious aren't you?
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Could someone define for me fail in this context? For some years, we've been talking of games 'failing' despite successfully completing development and profiting from it. What will The Old Republic fail to do, exactly? Break even? Run for more than a year? Five years? Fulfill your personal expectations? Garner more subscribers than World of WarCraft? Cause a paradigm shift in the genre? Bring peace to the Middle East? Be specific.
"Fail" will mean that the individual gamer making the thread doesn't like the game. That's the gist of all the "fail" threads. That particular person didn't like the game, so it's a "fail". It doesn't matter if it's successful. As a matter of fact, if it's successful, there will be many more "fail" threads than normal. Look at WoW. The most successful mmorpg in history, but if you look at sites like these, it's the biggest "fail" in mmorpg history. At least some people are honest about their biases and say they hate anything they see as mainstream. Star Wars is a house hold name, so it's got that against it already with the elitists.
Well here's the thing, TOR is a AAA title with the single largest game company in the world backing the greatest talent in the industry. Your "it won't work because it's too new of an idea" theory is ridiculous. I don't know if you've noticed but "Aion" a game that not only was not only a grindy korean mmo, but was nothing new at that; has around 2 million subs right now. People are looking for new games, wow is getting old, starwars is the single strongest IP in the world, do the math.
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I can only pray.
Likewise.
WoW is a good game, but for so many, it was their very first MMO, and now, it is the basis on which they judge absolutely everything when it comes to MMO's. If a new MMO doesn't fit into what they were trained to accept and/or expect, then it's just pages and pages of "epic fail" threads before they go back to WoW.
When WAR came out, it was horrible. The chat channels and boards were plagued with the wow-tude's, and I feel like it jaded so many that might have actually liked the game. Now I'm not a WAR fanboi, actually, I left that game so long ago due to countless promises that weren't delievered on, and an overall bad launch. (anyone who played, knows what I'm talking about here)
Either way, I have high hopes for ToR, and all of the doomsday predictions are tiresome. At least let the game come out before it gets trashed. Because if WoW was your first MMO, and you are trashing ToR already, folks really need to broaden horizons a bit before your opinion can be taken seriously.
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People will play it because it is star wars, especially considering that old SWG people have been waiting forever for their salvation, just to be back in a star wars game they like again.
People who post "Fail" threads are the ones who "fail" the most. Why even post this garbage? Is it not better to "see" than to "wonder"?
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WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire
LOL!
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People will play it because it is star wars, especially considering that old SWG people have been waiting forever for their salvation, just to be back in a star wars game they like again.
Where have you been? It's these cranky SWG vets that are the loudest TOR trolls. Because while TOR is another Star Wars game, it's not a sandbox like SWG. You ever see these "Oh, TOR is so linear, it's basically a single-player game with a few multiplayer elements thrown in... it's going to fail!" threads? Well, guess what? Most of them are probably SWG vets who have nothing better to do. Can I blame them? Well, my sensitive side says no. They pretty much got screwed over by SOE and they deserve another nice game. But my logical side says "SHUT UP ALREADY! WE GET YOUR POINT! THIS WILL NOT BE ANOTHER SWG!"
Recently, it seems like these threads haven't been as abundant. That's good, maybe they're finally getting it. But then we get threads like this one, which aren't quite as bad because they're just funny. The OP tries to make a good point but doesn't quite make it...
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People will play it because it is star wars, especially considering that old SWG people have been waiting forever for their salvation, just to be back in a star wars game they like again.
Where have you been? It's these cranky SWG vets that are the loudest TOR trolls. Because while TOR is another Star Wars game, it's not a sandbox like SWG. You ever see these "Oh, TOR is so linear, it's basically a single-player game with a few multiplayer elements thrown in... it's going to fail!" threads? Well, guess what? Most of them are probably SWG vets who have nothing better to do. Can I blame them? Well, my sensitive side says no. They pretty much got screwed over by SOE and they deserve another nice game. But my logical side says "SHUT UP ALREADY! WE GET YOUR POINT! THIS WILL NOT BE ANOTHER SWG!"
Recently, it seems like these threads haven't been as abundant. That's good, maybe they're finally getting it. But then we get threads like this one, which aren't quite as bad because they're just funny. The OP tries to make a good point but doesn't quite make it...
I actually agree with everything you said, but they will still play it because it is another star wars MMO.
WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
I'm just trying to feed the failbots more interesting unsubstantiated nonsense to spam the boards with.
By the way, I heard that all the wookies will have Emo style haircuts.
WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
I'm just trying to feed the failbots more interesting unsubstantiated nonsense to spam the boards with.
By the way, I heard that all the wookies will have Emo style haircuts.
Will they hang out at mall food courts hating everyone and everything as well?
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
WTF? This has to be a smart ass comment. I don't think the game will fail. I DO think that they will be able to catch a wide-range of players if they do this right. I do not think that this will be a "WoW Killer", but I do think that it will capture a large and steady playerbase. I will even go so far as to say at leas 1m subs
I'm just trying to feed the failbots more interesting unsubstantiated nonsense to spam the boards with.
By the way, I heard that all the wookies will have Emo style haircuts.
Will they have a "Cut Myself" ability?
A witty saying proves nothing.
-Voltaire
I guess I'll have to say this again: Other than Bethesda, Bioware might be the best game developer of RPGs there is. And Other than Bethesda, there is no other company I would want creating Star Wars the Old Republic Online, period. I have recently purchased Dragon Age Origins and my jaw is consistently on the floor over the incredible storytelling and choice based storyline that exists within the game. The voice acting absolutely rocks and character creation is nearly at the level of City of Heroes character creating... it is unbelievable.. it is the BEST product Bioware has ever made up to this point (and yes that includes the Neverwinter Nights series which are so incredible in their own right.)
Now add all the fans of Star Wars. Add all those who had to deal with, and were ultimately let down by that abomination we all know as SWG and I cannot possible, under any circumstances short of the Apocalypse of TOR failing.. in fact, I believe the inverse will occur and TOR will become one of the most successful, most talked about game to come into the MMO genre since the advent of WoW...
I sort of understand the ideas behind what the OP said but I think the fears and assumptions that were said just are not viable nor rational nor relevant to whether or not TOR will be a success or failure.
TOR shows every sign it will be a success and until BETA and LIVE, I will continue that premise of thought
for the record, I also believe that Cryptic will do a good job with Star Trek Online and even though I know I'll probably catch flak from this community for saying that, so be it... opinions are what they are: opinions.
So Mote It Be
Do u think Bioware can´t create great story if they can´t let u become saviour of the galaxy? I think they can. Look at side quests in Jade empire. I was absolutely lost in them even if I wasn´t saving the world. I wasn´t doing those quests because of xp reward like in other games. I was feeling strong pressure to do something with the situation or to make the best of it. The reason why I was enjoying the story so much wasn´t saving the world but my relation to single parts of the world. And this is the thing only few companies can create (I don´t know about any else than Bioware).
But I see few problems about story based mmo. How dialogues will procced when u will be in a group? Everyone will answer by his own? (maybe this was already explained by Bioware, I don´t watch the news about the game very often) What if each player wants to solve the quest different way (I would be for a fight between players)? Leave group? These could be seen as disadvantages but if u find someone who wants to solve quests the same way as u, there will grow up strong relationship between u. Everyone is talking about disadvantages that has mmo story based game compared to single player game. But maybe mmo has even more advantages. Bioware could also implement story into pvp. For example after large amount of succeses in RvR/battlegrounds new missions could unlock.
Blizzard had no exp. aswell, they only made RTS and look at them, bottom line, a good game is a good game, you and no one can take that away, you got Bioware the King of RP, Star Wars a IP greater then WoW, Sci Fi an untanited field in the Mmo market, I fail to see how it can fail, many I mean many people HATE WoW but stills It's number 1 no matter what why? Well because its good and loads of people enjoy the world unlike 75% of all the other mmos out there, hell WoW has such a land slide on the other Mmo Ips out there that Blizzard held over 90% of the Mmo sub in the world for 5 stright years and still holds true for the most part, now SWtor failing, no way in hell only if the really mess up big time and I mean big time.
Bioware and Sw sell its self pretty much.
Look as much as people Love Sandbox, deep Crafting, Hardcore and all the other things that make alot of Mmo great, the bottom line is more people don't like that then do.
Blizzrds surpasses the rest, not because they have a better game but because they give people better game play and in the end thats what sells.
LOL!
Exactly
The OP delivered success while failing at the same time. I got a good laugh, he still looks like a moron. This was a win.
It will fail in the respect that thousands of people will buy it and subscribe.
It will fail in the respect that Bioware is a bloody brilliant RPG designer.
It will fail in the fact that it will ACTUALLY IMMERSE YOU into the universe, an aspect that literally all but a VERY few MMOs have accomplished.
MMOs are notorious for being very boring games, the only thing that saves them is the fact that you can play with others.
A company offers to make a game that actually has fun, entertaining aspects and people are like "LOL NO I WANNA MINDLESSLY GRIND TO LEVEL CAP LAWLAWLAWL, SCREW ANY SORT OF AWESOME INNOVATIONS"
You people make me sick.
Ignorance is the number one cause of preventable death in the world, and you wear it well.
Now all that said, I don't know if it will be a good game. Because I don't know sh*t about it, neither do you or anyone else.
So just stfu with these freaking retarded threads until the game actually comes out.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW
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Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD
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Played and loved: Eve and WoW
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Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
It will FAIL on a monumental scale that it will MELT FACES across the heavens and the earth.
It will be beautiful. And you will love it.
FAIL. Hell, it will be the biggest FAIL in the history of FAILING, so much so that it will WIN.
Ya you were kinda making sense (well compared to the other blind haters anyways) and then you went and tried to pick on LotRO.
Basically the second largest western MMO, who is now releasing it's second expansion in less than a month. So clearly you really haven't a bumpkis idea what the hell you're talking about.
These aren't the droids we're looking for people, move along.
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Do you honestly think it's WoW fanbois bashing ToR? It's all the hardcore, sandbox, pvp obsessed, gotta be able to gank ppl at lvl one and take all their stuff gamers that are constantly hitting this one. From what I've read, ToR is going to be more themepark, story focused making it more like WoW than one of the more hardcore sandbox games like Eve or DF. It doesn't matter if ToR comes out and is the greatest mmorpg ever made, it will still get dozens of threads made about how much it sucks. And the same if it comes out and is terrible, we'll get dozens of threads defending it no matter what. Remember all the flamefest threads for and against Aion that is only now easing up? Gear up for the next round with ToR.
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For me, it will depend on how well the multiplayer aspects are done. I love a good story driven RPG, but I'm not going to pay a subscription fee to play one with poor multiplayer elements, not when so many great single player games are on the market, not to mention free FPS PvP games with good RPG elements.
My biggest concerns are that the devs are leaning too hard on the fact that both the developer name (Bioware) and the IP (Star Wars) are already very popular. I trust Bioware not to be too overconfident, but EA? ... I can definitely see them deciding to just take the box sales money and run. Warhammer anyone?
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Could someone define for me fail in this context? For some years, we've been talking of games 'failing' despite successfully completing development and profiting from it.
What will The Old Republic fail to do, exactly? Break even? Run for more than a year? Five years? Fulfill your personal expectations? Garner more subscribers than World of WarCraft? Cause a paradigm shift in the genre? Bring peace to the Middle East? Be specific.
Not to worry, guys, I'm here... Just let me... catch my... breath... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
So what's the hate for this time?? Ohhh, I've heard this before. Mark this [SPAM] and move along.
If you had a point to make, you lost me when you began your rather underwhelming rant on LOTRO. And anyone who brings SWG's whimsical weehaa into this is just begging for yours truly to melt your face. DUN-- DUN DUN DUN---- DUN DUN DUN--DUN DUN DUN---- DUN-- DUN DUN DUN--- DUN DUN DUN--- DUN DUN DUUUUN--- DUN DUN DUN DUN--- DUH DUH DUH DUH DUH-- DUH DUN-- DUN DUH DUH DUH DUH-- DUH DUN-- DUN DUN DUN-- DUN DUN DUN!!!
Face melt initiated:
First of all, I'd like to start by saying, "Hi. I'm THE Rooster Nash. And you're not." So, why on Earth do you think you have some idea of what's going on in the development of BioWare's already ULTRA-MEGA POPULAR sci-fi hit, SW:TOR?? You don't! Cause you're not THE Rooster Nash. But I'm not completely egocentric. There are others out there, much like me, who are just as awesome at telling you how it is. Ihmo, for instance, has a tendency to procure a decent banter from time to time; as does "greed". You, however, lack the understanding that goes into these sorts of things.
FLAME ON!!!
When it comes to "The Old Republic", and game-bashing before the release party has even began, you lose sight of two things:
Here's why:
First of all, uh, it just lacks evidence. Should I go on? Evidentally. You bring up past games as if they contrast the subject wisely, when it's obvious that they don't. How would YOU know that BioWare has failed to administer any sort of heroic stimulae for each person subscribing to the game? I'm going to assume that - even if you have played the beta - you do not.
Why, oh wise and powerful THE Rooster Nash, do you believe that I do NOT possess the knowledge of such information?
Well, that's simple... because you do NOT. The only way you could possibly have such information is if you were a developer for BioWare, in which case, your scorn for your own game would be rather... agenty... good word, and it has to do with the recent release of the 3rd Sith class... but it's not a pun... so, don't call it a pun. Or, I'll pun your face.
But here I am predicting your questions, as if you would even have any for me, which I know you do... but you do not share the gift of psychic powwwwuh, as I do. And that is my point. You lack the POWWWWUH to make such rash inclinations, given your vastly insuperior intelligence level, when compared to someone of my vastly... non... insuperior... intelligence level... I've just blown you away again with my vastness, which reaches through space and time and pulls an ostrich egg from an oven located somewhere within the Ostrich Nebula, from which I came (the egg, not the nebula).
But, again, I digress. And, I lose my point... I'll brb with an edit.
I'm back with the edit!
So, snowflakes... You honestly try to state your case with that? Were you trying to be clever?? Or gay? You are not THE Rooster Nash, so what gave you the idea that you were clever? To say that a hero should be like a snowflake... is... well, it's pretty gay dude. I don't wanna be a snowflake. Maybe I could be a fingerprint! Yeah, those are pretty rare and don't have such a homo-erotic context!
But even taking the snowflake into account, you WILL have your own sense of being. You WILL be a hero within the game. Maybe not YOU, per se, especially in PVP combat, but that's not to say that you wouldn't fit somewhere in PVP. I encourage you to go pick up the game when it's released. Because I feel that you need a lesson in awesomeness.
Alright, I'm not so bored anymore, so I'll close with this little tidbit:
This is BioWare's first MMORPG. You've even admitted, yourself, that they've produced good storyline within their RPGs, so for $60, why NOT at least play the game for that alone. Show some faith, not some ridiculous pre-judgemental slander that holds the weight of a speck of dust... on the moon. There are plenty of MMOs that are out right now to debunk. Go to Aion's forums. If you haven't played the game, it's still comparable to your bullshit decree against SW:TOR.
THE Rooster Nash
You are serious aren't you?
"There is a certain undeniable power in the void; within lies an unspoken promise of greatness, the shadowy truth that man is ruled by fear not of what is seen, but of what he perceives is seen beyond."
"Fail" will mean that the individual gamer making the thread doesn't like the game. That's the gist of all the "fail" threads. That particular person didn't like the game, so it's a "fail". It doesn't matter if it's successful. As a matter of fact, if it's successful, there will be many more "fail" threads than normal. Look at WoW. The most successful mmorpg in history, but if you look at sites like these, it's the biggest "fail" in mmorpg history. At least some people are honest about their biases and say they hate anything they see as mainstream. Star Wars is a house hold name, so it's got that against it already with the elitists.
Well here's the thing, TOR is a AAA title with the single largest game company in the world backing the greatest talent in the industry. Your "it won't work because it's too new of an idea" theory is ridiculous. I don't know if you've noticed but "Aion" a game that not only was not only a grindy korean mmo, but was nothing new at that; has around 2 million subs right now. People are looking for new games, wow is getting old, starwars is the single strongest IP in the world, do the math.
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