Sigh, I come here and get reminded that western game developers can't design good looking races... Or even animate them properly... Sad.
Considering the largest eastern game (popularity-wise) consists mostly of tailed angelic ballerinas with wings running around in shiny plastic-looking armor making horrid 70's kung-fu fighting sounds...I'd beg to differ with your statement.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
In contrast with the lands they are in no they don't look good, It's like having wow characters in aion (well that's exagerating but should get my point)
I disagree. Completely. Also, players can color there armor whatever they want.
Have some perspective:
You didn't get my point wow has cartoonish graphics hence why I said if you had a wow character in aion maps, on the other hand lotr is realistic so defects are more visible and in my opinion the characters and gear don't match with the map.
Can you explain what the problem is with the character model there?
Its in noob gear, and does not have giant, flashy shoulder pads and other fantasy elements in its armor.
LOTRO is a stylized realism, some people just cant handle that low fantasy take on visuals.
Here are some midlevel armors.
As you can see from this dwarf, there is nothing wrong with the texture fidelity. Of course they dont use all the bleeding edge graphical techniques, but LOTRO has one of the best system requirements to performance ratios of any MMO.
Forchel armor above.
In contrast with the lands they are in no they don't look good, It's like having wow characters in aion (well that's exagerating but should get my point)
I disagree. Completely. Also, players can color there armor whatever they want.
Have some perspective:
As properly displayed here, yeah... that's some exaggeration. Next they'll be comparing LotRO character models to Final Fantasy II...
I think the models are just fine, until you start running and jumping, then it goes all goofey. But overall, I think this game graphically looks as good as Age of Conan and Vanguard, AoC all around is just a stellar looking game and with Vanguard I think the world itself is fantastic.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Sigh, I come here and get reminded that western game developers can't design good looking races... Or even animate them properly... Sad.
Considering the largest eastern game (popularity-wise) consists mostly of tailed angelic ballerinas with wings running around in shiny plastic-looking armor making horrid 70's kung-fu fighting sounds...I'd beg to differ with your statement.
I'd rather look at an angelic ballerina than the hunchback of notre dame, personally.
You're not all that wrong though, koreans can't animate their races either. They're also way too generic.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
As properly displayed here, yeah... that's some exaggeration. Next they'll be comparing LotRO character models to Final Fantasy II...
Did you even read my sentence? I was saying lotr characters don't fit well with the wonderful lands and said that it's like having wow characters in aion NOT lotr.
Lotr has realistic graphics (defects show more) while the 2 i mentioned are cartoonish/anime (defects show less).
One thing I wish games would steal from WoW is the animations. I think WoW did a good job at making fast paced and multiple variation animations for their combat graphics.
One thing I wish games would steal from WoW is the animations. I think WoW did a good job at making fast paced and multiple variation animations for their combat graphics.
I agree. LOTRO is probably the only MMO I've played where the most boring part is the actual combat.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
One thing I wish games would steal from WoW is the animations. I think WoW did a good job at making fast paced and multiple variation animations for their combat graphics.
WoW's animations are actually pretty horrible. I've probably set my standards way too high, but what can you do- when you've seen fluid and realistic animations once, it's hard to go back to other games with subpar animations without being annoyed by the laziness of the designers..
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
I agree with the OP, the character model look like hes been cut in from another game.
The background look awesome but they should redesign the character and also make new animations with a motion suit and a re-enactment guy.
Vanguard kinda have the same problem to a lesser extent, AoC is better, here the character fits in good as long as you maxed out the graphical setting. This is however the thing where Wow is best, the character fits in perfect with the background.
One thing I wish games would steal from WoW is the animations. I think WoW did a good job at making fast paced and multiple variation animations for their combat graphics.
Wow has very limited animations. Many things use the same animation over and over across different abilities. LOTRO on the other had and about 100 emotes, and a unique animation for every skill.
One thing I dont think many realize, the smoothness of playback in LOTRO animations depends on your hardware, LOTRO uses a LOD system on its animation data that will skip frames for performance reasons on lower end machines.
I do however respect peoples opion about animations and avatars, i just dont agree. Especialy becouse turbine wil allways side on performance, and they have done an exelent job in that reguard. Performance of the engine is top notch for the system required and the visuial output.
It is also to the games credit that this is one of the few issues people constantly bring up. There is little else to talk about I suppose. Its really only this site that bring sit up, but they are comparing it to games like aion and AOC. And in matters of design, limitations, and technology used compared to system requirements, its like comparing apples to oranges.
*shrug*
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LOTR has crappy rubber band animations. Characters bend in horrible spots. Movement is ackward and inhuman. Who cares about facial expressions when the body moves like a bag of jelly.
Look disagree with me as much as you want but if they did something for the characters (animations didn't see yet) I would give it a try and so many others.
Look disagree with me as much as you want but if they did something for the characters (animations didn't see yet) I would give it a try and so many others.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
The thing I dislike most is how the animations haven't been finished completely. They all kinda end before the body moves back to the default position, which makes it seem so lazy on designer's part (because the animations seem to be half-assed from the beginning, the moving is not natural and the limbs move way too little).
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
Look disagree with me as much as you want but if they did something for the characters (animations didn't see yet) I would give it a try and so many others.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
Popularity means nothing when you don't like what you see, even if it had 80 million subsciptions I wouldn't play it if I hated the looks of my avatar.
Look disagree with me as much as you want but if they did something for the characters (animations didn't see yet) I would give it a try and so many others.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
Popularity means nothing when you don't like what you see, even if it had 80 million subsciptions I wouldn't play it if I hated the looks of my avatar.
I only brguht it up to point out that while it may be an issue for you, its not for many.
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"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
I recently resubscribed to LotRO and things stick out more when you havent seen them in a while.
The arms are not connected well to the body. And no one in the game has a pelvis.
The disjointed limbs combined with the goofy animation leads to poor looking characters no matter how many polygons or how much texture mapping they have.
The running animation of Humans and Elves should be enough to convince anyone something isnt right.
Look disagree with me as much as you want but if they did something for the characters (animations didn't see yet) I would give it a try and so many others.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
Popularity means nothing when you don't like what you see, even if it had 80 million subsciptions I wouldn't play it if I hated the looks of my avatar.
I only brguht it up to point out that while it may be an issue for you, its not for many.
This is what I saw when I played the trial (not my picture but it's the best example) and you have this great landscape but such horrible character design. It put me off going any further throughout the game because if I can't like my character then I wont care about the exploring the world with him and his advancement.
I personally expected to see something that I thought looked attrocious but there is nothing wrong with that picture to me at all. I don't intend to speak for your experience though or what you see so I'll take your word for it that you think it looks bad and I'm never against any game doing something that is universally "better", if Turbine can make the characters look better than great.
I currently play LOTRO so I obviously think it looks good while I think they could use more variety in clothing I don't think they are the only ones with this problem as most games are very limited in the look of gear very early on and not much less than that later although the later stuff usually looks tons better.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Originally posted by Xasapis The textures certainly need work, especially compared to other recently released games. However, the bigger issue is the character animations. Unfortunately, the avatars move like mannequins, too stiff robotic like movement.
I agree that the animations are the biggest problem with characters. Alot of games have problem with animations especially if there is non-human characters in the game. (not including monsters.) Better to do a game without dwarves and halflings so you can animate all characters with real people doing the movements
If WoW = The Beatles and WAR = Led Zeppelin Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
I've seen atleast one of you against LOTRO admit you may have too high standards which I think is the case with the biggest detractors here. Basically what is being told to you is the truth you and maybe even hundreds or thousands more feel this way and we can respect that but for those who enjoy the game who likely outnumber those who dislike it for the reasons you state.
If you won't play it there are many who won't lose sleep over it like is the case with AOC (a game recognized by many as having better graphics than LOTRO). And that's because LOTRO is a solid game in many other ways again I can't agree because while I can also pick apart why I don't think LOTRO is the best looking game I've ever played I'm quite satisfied with what I do see enough so to continue to play it.
Honestly I would actually rather see Turbine use resources on beefing up pvp (which I don't even play) as that would help them bring in more than anything they could do graphically.
In the end though I'm 100% behind Turbine because they have in my opinion the best track record I've experienced with an mmo as far as development speed and game improvements are concerned and it would not surprise me at all to see them eventually tackle the graphical issues that even though I don't see them can't pretend aren't a problem for many out there who would like to be able to get into the game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
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Considering the largest eastern game (popularity-wise) consists mostly of tailed angelic ballerinas with wings running around in shiny plastic-looking armor making horrid 70's kung-fu fighting sounds...I'd beg to differ with your statement.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
I disagree. Completely. Also, players can color there armor whatever they want.
Have some perspective:
You didn't get my point wow has cartoonish graphics hence why I said if you had a wow character in aion maps, on the other hand lotr is realistic so defects are more visible and in my opinion the characters and gear don't match with the map.
Skinny arms, waist looks like a women (way too small), way too tight clothes.
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Its in noob gear, and does not have giant, flashy shoulder pads and other fantasy elements in its armor.
LOTRO is a stylized realism, some people just cant handle that low fantasy take on visuals.
Here are some midlevel armors.
As you can see from this dwarf, there is nothing wrong with the texture fidelity. Of course they dont use all the bleeding edge graphical techniques, but LOTRO has one of the best system requirements to performance ratios of any MMO.
Forchel armor above.
In contrast with the lands they are in no they don't look good, It's like having wow characters in aion (well that's exagerating but should get my point)
I disagree. Completely. Also, players can color there armor whatever they want.
Have some perspective:
As properly displayed here, yeah... that's some exaggeration. Next they'll be comparing LotRO character models to Final Fantasy II...
I think the models are just fine, until you start running and jumping, then it goes all goofey. But overall, I think this game graphically looks as good as Age of Conan and Vanguard, AoC all around is just a stellar looking game and with Vanguard I think the world itself is fantastic.
That Guild Wars 2 login screen knocked up my wife. Must be the second coming!
Considering the largest eastern game (popularity-wise) consists mostly of tailed angelic ballerinas with wings running around in shiny plastic-looking armor making horrid 70's kung-fu fighting sounds...I'd beg to differ with your statement.
I'd rather look at an angelic ballerina than the hunchback of notre dame, personally.
You're not all that wrong though, koreans can't animate their races either. They're also way too generic.
Did you even read my sentence? I was saying lotr characters don't fit well with the wonderful lands and said that it's like having wow characters in aion NOT lotr.
Lotr has realistic graphics (defects show more) while the 2 i mentioned are cartoonish/anime (defects show less).
One thing I wish games would steal from WoW is the animations. I think WoW did a good job at making fast paced and multiple variation animations for their combat graphics.
I agree. LOTRO is probably the only MMO I've played where the most boring part is the actual combat.
Katsma is Lithuanian for 'he who drinks used douche fluid'.
WoW's animations are actually pretty horrible. I've probably set my standards way too high, but what can you do- when you've seen fluid and realistic animations once, it's hard to go back to other games with subpar animations without being annoyed by the laziness of the designers..
I agree with the OP, the character model look like hes been cut in from another game.
The background look awesome but they should redesign the character and also make new animations with a motion suit and a re-enactment guy.
Vanguard kinda have the same problem to a lesser extent, AoC is better, here the character fits in good as long as you maxed out the graphical setting. This is however the thing where Wow is best, the character fits in perfect with the background.
Wow has very limited animations. Many things use the same animation over and over across different abilities. LOTRO on the other had and about 100 emotes, and a unique animation for every skill.
One thing I dont think many realize, the smoothness of playback in LOTRO animations depends on your hardware, LOTRO uses a LOD system on its animation data that will skip frames for performance reasons on lower end machines.
I do however respect peoples opion about animations and avatars, i just dont agree. Especialy becouse turbine wil allways side on performance, and they have done an exelent job in that reguard. Performance of the engine is top notch for the system required and the visuial output.
It is also to the games credit that this is one of the few issues people constantly bring up. There is little else to talk about I suppose. Its really only this site that bring sit up, but they are comparing it to games like aion and AOC. And in matters of design, limitations, and technology used compared to system requirements, its like comparing apples to oranges.
*shrug*
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LOTR has crappy rubber band animations. Characters bend in horrible spots. Movement is ackward and inhuman. Who cares about facial expressions when the body moves like a bag of jelly.
Look disagree with me as much as you want but if they did something for the characters (animations didn't see yet) I would give it a try and so many others.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
The thing I dislike most is how the animations haven't been finished completely. They all kinda end before the body moves back to the default position, which makes it seem so lazy on designer's part (because the animations seem to be half-assed from the beginning, the moving is not natural and the limbs move way too little).
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
Popularity means nothing when you don't like what you see, even if it had 80 million subsciptions I wouldn't play it if I hated the looks of my avatar.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
Popularity means nothing when you don't like what you see, even if it had 80 million subsciptions I wouldn't play it if I hated the looks of my avatar.
I only brguht it up to point out that while it may be an issue for you, its not for many.
Besides....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrhMErNg30c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4INrPezUkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAgC6RFX9Jw
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I recently resubscribed to LotRO and things stick out more when you havent seen them in a while.
The arms are not connected well to the body. And no one in the game has a pelvis.
The disjointed limbs combined with the goofy animation leads to poor looking characters no matter how many polygons or how much texture mapping they have.
The running animation of Humans and Elves should be enough to convince anyone something isnt right.
Its the second largest mmo in the west. This, while mabye for some, is really not an issue. If you dont play it, but want to, solely on this alone, you are missing out on one of the most solid and for many, awesome MMO's out.
Its is simply NOT the worst mmo in terms of animation and avatars out there.
Popularity means nothing when you don't like what you see, even if it had 80 million subsciptions I wouldn't play it if I hated the looks of my avatar.
I only brguht it up to point out that while it may be an issue for you, its not for many.
Besides....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrhMErNg30c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4INrPezUkc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAgC6RFX9Jw
I said 2 times or so that the world looks great BUT the characters no don't see your point on those videos..
Even if the game looked as graphically as the real world but the characters looked like crap I wouldn't play it.
I personally expected to see something that I thought looked attrocious but there is nothing wrong with that picture to me at all. I don't intend to speak for your experience though or what you see so I'll take your word for it that you think it looks bad and I'm never against any game doing something that is universally "better", if Turbine can make the characters look better than great.
I currently play LOTRO so I obviously think it looks good while I think they could use more variety in clothing I don't think they are the only ones with this problem as most games are very limited in the look of gear very early on and not much less than that later although the later stuff usually looks tons better.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
^^ This, more than anything, is spot on.
I agree that the animations are the biggest problem with characters. Alot of games have problem with animations especially if there is non-human characters in the game. (not including monsters.) Better to do a game without dwarves and halflings so you can animate all characters with real people doing the movements
If WoW = The Beatles
and WAR = Led Zeppelin
Then LotrO = Pink Floyd
I've seen atleast one of you against LOTRO admit you may have too high standards which I think is the case with the biggest detractors here. Basically what is being told to you is the truth you and maybe even hundreds or thousands more feel this way and we can respect that but for those who enjoy the game who likely outnumber those who dislike it for the reasons you state.
If you won't play it there are many who won't lose sleep over it like is the case with AOC (a game recognized by many as having better graphics than LOTRO). And that's because LOTRO is a solid game in many other ways again I can't agree because while I can also pick apart why I don't think LOTRO is the best looking game I've ever played I'm quite satisfied with what I do see enough so to continue to play it.
Honestly I would actually rather see Turbine use resources on beefing up pvp (which I don't even play) as that would help them bring in more than anything they could do graphically.
In the end though I'm 100% behind Turbine because they have in my opinion the best track record I've experienced with an mmo as far as development speed and game improvements are concerned and it would not surprise me at all to see them eventually tackle the graphical issues that even though I don't see them can't pretend aren't a problem for many out there who would like to be able to get into the game.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
proportions are strangely off in LOTRO. Especially the horses... they are just too small and thin.