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Are the MMORPGs doomed since WoW was released?
MephistoR
Member Posts: 55
It seems every single MMO that is released after WoW is the same shit. Instanced shits and carebear pvp.
Where are our good old MMORPGs? DAoC, L2 ?
DAoC turned into a joke, they injected WoW inside it.
L2 is a bot fest.
They were G R E A T games.
Now, all that remains is Eve Online, the only decent game. BUT BUT, it's a spaceship game...
Here is something for all the MMO devs : Don't you have balls? Stop releasing fast-food MMOSHITs like WoW.
Thanks for reading me.
MephistoR from pakistan.
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I think ya hit it there. I think WoW brought MMOs to a whole new level. Bringing the genre into the mainstream. But ya, problem is now that every MMO wants to be WoW...rather than trying to be their own game.
Look at Alganon, perfect example of a new MMO that rather than trying to be original follows and tries to be WoW. The claim they did this so that it would be easier for players to adapt to the a new game. Yet why would players need to adapt to basically play anpther WoW with a different title? If the players are sick of WoW and want to leave it for another MMO...why would they go at and play another MMO that runs, looks and plays exactly like WoW?
Seems the MMO devs feel that, it worked for WoW, so let's do the same thing. Where are the UO clones?
Coming next year, actually.
It's more like: "Blizz made money that way, so let's do the same and we also gonna make some"
I think ya hit it there. I think WoW brought MMOs to a whole new level. Bringing the genre into the mainstream. But ya, problem is now that every MMO wants to be WoW...rather than trying to be their own game.
Look at Alganon, perfect example of a new MMO that rather than trying to be original follows and tries to be WoW. The claim they did this so that it would be easier for players to adapt to the a new game. Yet why would players need to adapt to basically play anpther WoW with a different title? If the players are sick of WoW and want to leave it for another MMO...why would they go at and play another MMO that runs, looks and plays exactly like WoW?
Seems the MMO devs feel that, it worked for WoW, so let's do the same thing. Where are the UO clones?
All WOW did was bring MMOs down and set them back for the next 10 years till we see the abomination of this game disappear then we will start seeing MMOs again.
As far as Fantasy Mmo's YES,If It isnt WoW It seems to lack, why I think is because alot of Dev. now days are scared to spend loads of money to make a great MMO. The thought of losing money because no one will leave WoW no matter how good there game is just scares the shit out of Investers now days, Thanks to WoW.
So they just make half ass MMo hoping to get lucky with Subs and then try to polioh the game after, but by then It's to late, people start to leave the game and go back to the Main game and in most cases It's, WoW & EvE, WoW because It holds like 75% of all the Fantasy players and EvE because It holds pretty much all of the Sci Fi lol.
Stay away from Fantasy Mmo untill WoW is Dead IMO, Which is why Im waiting on a Good Sci Fi/Space MMo, STO,SWTOR, Those should be far from the chock hold WoW has of the Fantasy market, EvE seems to be doing well because It's safe in the Space/Sci Fi market lol, SO If you Don't like WoW the fantasy Mmo market is screwed for you because WoW prevents MMo Dev. to spend the time and money to pump out a good game.
I think ya hit it there. I think WoW brought MMOs to a whole new level. Bringing the genre into the mainstream. But ya, problem is now that every MMO wants to be WoW...rather than trying to be their own game.
Look at Alganon, perfect example of a new MMO that rather than trying to be original follows and tries to be WoW. The claim they did this so that it would be easier for players to adapt to the a new game. Yet why would players need to adapt to basically play anpther WoW with a different title? If the players are sick of WoW and want to leave it for another MMO...why would they go at and play another MMO that runs, looks and plays exactly like WoW?
Seems the MMO devs feel that, it worked for WoW, so let's do the same thing. Where are the UO clones?
All WOW did was bring MMOs down and set them back for the next 10 years till we see the abomination of this game disappear then we will start seeing MMOs again.
This shit will never disappear...It created a whole new community, and that community only likes wow-like games.
All we can do is play our good old games even if they are slowly dying. No company will released a good MMO, SWTOR is going to be the same instanced fast-food money pump and so will be all the next games.
I think ya hit it there. I think WoW brought MMOs to a whole new level. Bringing the genre into the mainstream. But ya, problem is now that every MMO wants to be WoW...rather than trying to be their own game.
Look at Alganon, perfect example of a new MMO that rather than trying to be original follows and tries to be WoW. The claim they did this so that it would be easier for players to adapt to the a new game. Yet why would players need to adapt to basically play anpther WoW with a different title? If the players are sick of WoW and want to leave it for another MMO...why would they go at and play another MMO that runs, looks and plays exactly like WoW?
Seems the MMO devs feel that, it worked for WoW, so let's do the same thing. Where are the UO clones?
All WOW did was bring MMOs down and set them back for the next 10 years till we see the abomination of this game disappear then we will start seeing MMOs again.
This shit will never disappear...It created a whole new community, and that community only likes wow-like games.
All we can do is play our good old games even if they are slowly dying. No company will released a good MMO, SWTOR is going to be the same instanced fast-food money pump and so will be all the next games.
I waited for a good Sci-fi MMO too. Then Tabula Rasa came out and I fell in love. Sure it had a horrible crafting system and other flaws but what other MMO doesn't? I loved the combat, quests, the base capturing. But then NCsoft had to shut it down.
I still think the game didn't need to be shut down. The population wasn't completely dead. I feel like this sent a message to the MMO community "DONT MAKE DIFFERENT GAMES OR ELSE YOU WILL FAIL!"
Then again maybe it didn't. Fallen Earth was still released and apparently that is doing just fine. So who knows.
I think ya hit it there. I think WoW brought MMOs to a whole new level. Bringing the genre into the mainstream. But ya, problem is now that every MMO wants to be WoW...rather than trying to be their own game.
Look at Alganon, perfect example of a new MMO that rather than trying to be original follows and tries to be WoW. The claim they did this so that it would be easier for players to adapt to the a new game. Yet why would players need to adapt to basically play anpther WoW with a different title? If the players are sick of WoW and want to leave it for another MMO...why would they go at and play another MMO that runs, looks and plays exactly like WoW?
Seems the MMO devs feel that, it worked for WoW, so let's do the same thing. Where are the UO clones?
All WOW did was bring MMOs down and set them back for the next 10 years till we see the abomination of this game disappear then we will start seeing MMOs again.
-Exactly lik you said....tho i hope wow dies sooner....
I absolutely love this line. I never thought about it like that but you're totally right. A new MMO comes out (including F2P) regularly these days, but none of them have any of the same charm WoW has because, while you can say that WoW is not at all original as it pulls ideas from all games and puts them together, thats actually where the problem begins for other games on the market today.
Blizzard took ideas from other games, incorporated their own ideas and struck gold.
Newer MMO's see WoW and seem to try to clone it entirely (including graphics at times) without putting in any of their own charm & ideas. No original ideas, no huge amounts of content, no customer support, endless bugs, etc. makes for a horrible MMO experience & leaves these new MMO's falling flat.
The newer MMO's really do feel more like "fast-food" then "prime rib".
I decided to add something else... I personally believe the only MMO that will ever beat out WoW entirely is another MMO made by Blizzard.
We'll probably never see another really good fantasy game come out.
If WoW even started to die Bliz would just defecate out a sequel and the masses of zombies/sheep/kids would stumble blindly in their Mt. Dew stained t-shirts towards the new messiah that is WoW2 leaving a slimy trail of urine and dignity in their wake.
On the bright side, by then most of them will be jaded gamers like us and WoW2 won't be good enough for em.
Unfortunately, by then the Consoles will probably have strangled the life out of PC MMOs and you'll have to fork over the cash for the Nintendo Playskool station Pokemon edition or the Microsoft SodomyBox to play the next generation of over-hyped, cash-hemorrhaging WoW clones
My but I am feeling especially venomous today.
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HAHA i love all the WoW haters out there like you bastards never fucking played the game..
I'll never understand why this game gets so much hate to be honest, its an amazing game that created a new standard for MMO's. Unfortunately i think most mmo's post WoW spend way to much time trying to be like WoW, and come out with a fraction of the content, shit gameplay, just quite simply an inferior product. Its like buying a fake NFL jersey sure it looks ok on the outside but a month down the road all the seams fall apart.
I played WoW for just over 4 years, granted the last year i played it was more that there was nothing else to play. I haven't played for 6-7 months now and will never go back, like most people its just repetitive now. I mean hell how long can you play the same game for before it gets repetitive.
Honestly i just don't think any mmo companies have the time/money to come out with a game as polished as WoW. But i gotta say beginning of next year looks pretty good for the mmo community there are lots of games comming out that don't fit the usual genre - Global Agenda, Star Wars, Star Trek, well shit just look at most anticipated i can't see one WoW clone on the horizon.
Damn you made me bloody laugh with this post.
I fear you may be right though. Blizzard will try and snag up as many of their gamers into their next game as soon as things start going south in WOW. Could you imagine how unfortunate that would be for the industry to have to endure another WOW dynasty?
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Personally I am still enjoying my time on and off of WoW. I take breaks now and then, but I always go back. I really can't wait for Cataclysm. I think it'll be a great expansion and I'm glad to be going back to Azeroth, where prior to the expacs, I spent like 3 and a half years playing.
Sure it has some problems and sure I'm annoyed that absolutely nothing can beat it so far, but... instead of maintaining my bitterness about it, I'd rather give in and play and enjoy it and hope to god some other company comes along and makes something worth playing.
Unfortunately, it may be a cold day in Hell before that happens.
Dare to dream I suppose.
Give Fallen Earth a try. www.fallenearth.com/
Whoaa..... emo goth boys and girls. WOW isn't a bad thing. I have to say that I played WOW and enjoyed it until the Burning Crusade. For me WOW was a legalising of people to play MMO's without being labeled as stupid nerdy pricks without any life. I don't think WOW is revolutionary in any way though. It's just an MMO made on the ideas of other MMOPRGs and based on an already well tested and adapted world.
Blizzard made a great thing on this, and user friendliness is way above the cuve for a lot of MMORPGS being relieased today, which is why a lot of them fail. You 1337 fucktards might go.. "If people don't care enough to learn the game, then we don't need them" ... but thats where you are wrong! WOW is brilliant in that way.
Now before you 1337 fucktards stamp me as "the WOW retarded kid player" - I've started playing MUD's in '93. Picked up UO in '96 and after that EQ. I've been there done that and resently dropped my EVE as there pretty much wasn't anything else for me to do and learn in that game. Anyone that played EVE will know what that means.
WOW is the single best thing that happend to MMOPRGS. It opened the marked for the masses and ploved the way for a lot of new MMORPGS, since now the consumers have their eyes open for MMORPGS.
Give WOW a rest already!
I think alot of these companies are trying to compete with WoW, but they just can't do it. I agree it's time to stop trying to topple the game and just make your own. Fallen Earth is probably a good example of some developers that aren't taking too much from Wow, but then that's just what I've heard about it.
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I really think people are looking at this all the wrong way. WOW brought tens of millions into the fold. Now, developers have plenty of people to target their next MMO at. Foolishness on the part of the developers and the players has led us down the road we have gone.
Name four burger joints. Everyone probably is going to have the same two on their list, and the other two will vary by their location. All in all, it may be about 5 or 6 major burger joints that are on the list with a dozen or so taking a tiny piece of hte poll's pie. Does that mean the smaller ones suck? Nope. It just means that the fast food ones are the most advertised and the most popular.
In the real world, if someone wants to open a burger restaurant, they pick a location and a niche and work towards it. It's wholly unrealistic to try to be the next Burger King or McDonald's unless you have equal or better connections, money, resources and distribution. In the real world, if a local burger place showed up, you probably wouldn't instantly dismiss it.
We've got game devs that want to make the next Burger King and we have a consumer base that will either denounce the MMO for being another fast food burger joint, or completely scorns and rallies against the place if they dare to deviate from being the standard formula burger place.
It's a consumer base that says they can't stand 'clones' but the majority will only play clones.
It's a consumer base that says it wants innovation and change, but also has wide and near arbitrary definitions of what an MMO *should* be and the features it *needs* to have.
WOW is a saving grace among MMOs, as the increased audience has brought at least the possibility that devs will find a niche audience, actually build a game within a realistic budget for that audience and put out something other than the standard "murder thing for better loot" MMOs that most of them tend to be.
I have little faith in that happening, though. Both devs and players have too many unrealistic fanatics among their ranks.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
Tell'em! I may have to give WoW a try . . .
MMOs can still evolve quite a lot past WoW. Dynamic and player-created content is the future. I'm sure we'll see more innovation in a few years.
I blame the MMO playerbase for hyping up RUBBISH GAMES though. Look at the meat from the start, not the fancy trailers. You SWTOR people might be guilty of this. There is no meat yet, so stop salivating.
Oh really? Nah...
Every new MMO must have the crucial limitations such as one class per one character, all races can't be all classes, the battle system must be completely same to every other game, there must be raids, the leveling method and crafting must stay the same ancient way, And quest based progression is the only right approach to take.
I'll hype, pant, sweat, swear and salivate just as much as I like!
I did that on UO, EQ, AO, WOW, SWG, EVE and a lot of others that I've spend part of my life on. And now I'll do it on SWTOR, because it looks very promissing! I'll spam their forums with ideas and hope that it will be implemeted.
Nothing wrong about hyping - it's just the people that buy the hype without even making up their own mind if their buying the hype or the game. Those poor suckers!
And yes... SWTOR will be the next big thing! - at the least for me
Give Fallen Earth a try. www.fallenearth.com/
Funny you say this! It's in the middle of its excruciatingly long install as we speak. Since The Escapist is giving away all those free trial codes I decided it was worth it to give it a look-see!
Yes!
Or MMOs with ties to real life communities such that their game world and their real life hobbies/interests crossover.
Or MMOs where collaborative efforts within the game yield real world results.
MMOs are a platform for endless possibilities. The current generation of gamers seems very locked into the mindset that an MMO needs to be a fantasy RPG. I think once we get past that we'll see a lot of support and progress towards opening new doors.
- RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right?
- FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?
Give Fallen Earth a try. www.fallenearth.com/
Funny you say this! It's in the middle of its excruciatingly long install as we speak. Since The Escapist is giving away all those free trial codes I decided it was worth it to give it a look-see!
When you give it a go, remember two things: It takes a pretty good PC to run it, and it's new.
I think it may take many years for the mmorpg genre to break free of the Warcraft mentality . Dont get me wrong i thought it was a great game at release and remained so untill the last couple of years . So many bad choices have been made now that it lacks any kind of atmosphere an community . other fantasy mmos do have something to offer . i ve tried most of them and non of them are as bad as a lot of people in these forums would have you think . future consol designs will proberbly be mmo friendly and we shall see a whole new wave of games comeing along which wont be as constrained in graphical content to appeal to the masses as thier PC counterparts .
No i dont think the future of mmos is doomed its just going through a bad period at the moment . As for a WoW2 being a huge success thats not exactly a given just look at Everquest 2 . I dont think there will a success on the scale of WoW for a long time but there will be plenty of game coming along that ll be successful and WoW already appears not to have lost subcriptions this year .
given they hav nt given an offical statement on how many people are playing WoW in nearly a year we can assume that things arnt as good as they have been in the past .