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This game is boring.
r1tual
Member Posts: 559
in Everquest II
Should of learned in beta that this game was boring/lame whatever you want to call something that sucks.
After 1 week of playtime, it is official.
EQ2 is a featureless, boring game.
Let it be known.
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Easier to say that MMORPG gaming has hit a low, graphics are now more important than gameplay.
EQ2, L2, FFXI, WoW, CoH and soon MxO, they're all the same. Bit like plastic surgery really, they look the business, but they're just imitators in the end. Made to sucker in the general gaming community into spending vast amounts of cash on monthly subscription fees. No depth, no class, no roleplay, just a glitzy linear money draining experience.
easy to see what MMORPG.COMers are more interested in, just shuffle through the hype ratings, no matter how early on in development the game is "OMG!! PAC-MAN GrfIX, it SUCKS" as if the game were going to be released tommorow and as if they had actually played it.
Make of it what you will.
Do we really need another troll post is the big question.
The post is offically boring and certainly featureless.
This community is about discussing MMORPG's.
This community is about learning about games, the likes and dislikes.
If you dont like any negative posts, too bad.
Id love to hear how EQ2 is good though, besides its decent graphics. I cant wait.
So what makes sense in another "this game sucks" without zero explaination different from all the rest trolling that been happening here?
And if this is about discussing a game maybe even a bland attempt at discussing could have been tried from your side even from a week of play.
Sorry i stand by this unless you can give a detail account of what makes the game boring ,your post is boring and repeatitive of simple trolling.
We were hundreds that explained this to the devs during closed and open beta (Although in a slightly more verbal way than yours). Unfortunatly they knew better than us, and the game was just as they intended and we were just spoiled. As pretty much was the stance on MMORPG.com as well. Game number... hm... I think it is number 5 I beta, that do not listen to beta feedback, know better than its costumers, and fail to meet the producers expectations by a longshot.
Some day.. someone.. will learn.
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
I am quite sure so many here are going to take that less then intelligent post to heart. Next time why don't you try saying what you want conveyed intelligently and with a point and maybe someone will care.
You didn't like it, congratulations, go find something you do.
- Scaris
"What happened to you, Star Wars Galaxies? You used to look like Leia. Not quite gold bikini Leia (more like bad-British-accent-and-cinnamon-bun-hair Leia), but still Leia nonetheless. Now you look like Chewbacca." - Computer Gaming World
CoH was solo friendly and deserve better then to share such a nasty list!
If you feel CoH and L2 belong to the same list, along with WoW and EQ2, mabe you should add Sims online and NWN. Because quite frankly, CoH is unique and from level 1 to level 50, you know what to expect after 1 adventure. When you reach level 20 in CoH, you can hunt(solo included) easier then ever, not the opposite. CoH focus on a gameplay style rather then on graphics(despite having wonderfull graphics). You dont like this gameplay style, at least respect it and move away.
The only game I ever play longer then CoH are EQ and Civilisations(and a few others game based turn strategy as well hehe)! RaR! CoH was a perfect product, then they come with big ugly Issues that screw twice more then it solve! They listen to cry babies about: ''But Ano's is soloing all the time, enforce her to group, we dont like to see soloers happy and not always accepting group offers'', and then they try to enforce stuff and I figure, ''Eh, this is KOTOR2!!!''.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
That your an idiot. You give the game a week and call it boring? featurless?? nice
Originally posted by Wickes
BTW, Saragoth, it's just a guess ... but I'd bet you were banned for bad language.
After 438 posts, ITS OFFICIAL!!! r1tual is a retard! There because i said its official its true
(not saying it isn't true that you're a retard)
again, back up what you say with facts, you have NEVER done it.
WoW has debt. (i think) getting to level 60, and lvling other alts to 60 is a kick. becoming strong, and rich.
earning points by pking when the battle ground is implented will be great. the story goes deep, the quests and role play also. This is an true mmorpg. ffs.
EQ2 is an sucky game. EQ2 is an great game if you play it to the end, till the max lvl, then ull be strong know the comminuty, know this and that. have knowledge about every aspect of the game - have nice items and a fortune but ar you willing to 'play' to invest your time in it when you can get better? (im reffering to wow) I've bought EQ2, and since it has no pvp i decide to wait wow european release, and really PLAY that game. EQ2 isnt a bad game if you whant to play it, like how you should play.
You guys never answered his question, or anyone elses that were the same as his. Whats to great about EQ2 aside from its graphics, which to me are badly modeled and lack andy sort of design?
I and many other trolls have berated you guys with "facts" on why the game isnt good, we got player testomonials, numbers, and what not. We then get you guys to quote our response that we did some research for, and in seconds place in your own biased opinions on our facts that are contruded and think everything is solved. I still havent heard a lick from why EQ2 is worth spending $30 to buy off the shelf and upgrade my computer for, aside from it has "good" graphics. A week is all you really need to understand the inner mechanics of a game and if you want to stick with it. Truthfully I have actually tested this on several games I knew werent going to be good after a week of playing, but I played on for another couple weeks so when I trolled on it, I could admit I played that crappy ass game for more then one week. Honestly, you fanboys are just lazy. You dont put in as much effort as us trolls. On the Ragnarok Online forum we get just as many trolls as EQ2 does, and I respond to them truthfully and honest, sometimes agreeing with them, doing some background work on the subject, and even offering new insight on the subject. All we get on the EQ2 forums is a rebuttal. The graphics are good, which I think arent; if you like it then play it; and how can you form an opinion about a game you never played? Simply put do I have to play Hello Kitty Online, to know its not my cup of tea, ofcourse not. So why would he need more then a week to understand all the flaws in the game that the numbers simply agree with him.
You guys should seriously get paid for playing EQ2, cause the developers succeeding and making a game that resembles an office job.
As I have said before (maybe not on these forums but I've said it somewhere), I don't know why I like EQ2. I just do. Something about it just clicked with me and I'm having an absolute blast. I don't know if it's the great crafting system, the highly addictive and fun combat system, the feeling of accomplishment when you level or what, I just like it, simple as that. I don't care what other players say or what the numbers seem to point at. I'm having fun and that's all that matters.
Schutzbar - Human Warrior - Windrunner Alliance - World of Warcraft
Nihilanth - Kerra Paladin - Blackburrow - EverQuest II
XBL Gamertag - Eagle15GT
You want my facts as to why I think EQ2 destroys WoW? Here they are:
1) Sever stabliltiy. It is a FACT the servers on WoW are awful. Resaons don't matter, and excuses don't get rid of wait queues.
2) Graphics: The graphics are sub-par and don't let me get into the game.
3) Community: The community is awful. Worst I have EVER seen in an MMO. I have never witnessed more immature, idiots in my life. It drives me nuts. I don't like to be around people like that and since there is no way to get away from it, even on an RP server where they come just to harass RP'ers, I'll leave it.
5) Easy. The game is WAAAAAY too easy. After playing I don't feel like I've accomplished anything. Even crafting can be done almost by accident.
6) Voice overs rule. I get disappointed now when I go to a game that doesn't have them.
7) Crafting in EQ2 is awsome. It takes work to be a good crafter, so a lot of people don't bother with it, making it even more rewarding when you reach level 25.
8) Interaction. In WoW if there were no other people on your server, you could go from level 1 to 60 without ever needing another person. You need other people in EQ2, that is a big reason I play an MMO.
9) Class diversity. Every 10th level paladin in WoW is EXACTLY the same. In EQ2 you have racial skills and different class skills to pick from.
10) Races, There are more races to choose from in EQ2, and I like the races better
11) Customization. Not much difference in the characters in WoW.
and that's just off the top of my head.
I'll give my two cents too so you can find closure Cleffy. LIke Jodokai said the crafting is awesome. The sheer amount of stuff you can make is huge and the process takes some actual thought. It's not just clicking the "create" button.
The community has been very mature and helpful thus far. I have charecters on two different servers and I've yet to run into an overly annoying/immature person. Everyone has been awesome.
I love the combat system. It's fast paced and you have a ton of options at your disposal during a fight. And you actually have to think about how you're going to fight different mobs.
Theres always something to do. The amount of content is great. You can never complain thet you have nothing to do. The number of quests, exploring, crafting, etc., always keep you busy.
There are more resons but those are the main ones. I think everybody is getting a little tired of people starting new threads about why they don't like it. If you dont like it why not post in a thread alrady created about the subject? There no point in starting a new one.
Its simple. This game doesnt deserve the right to be called good with all the money spent on it, and the man power behind it because of bad design. In addition, it gets the word out to people considering this game not to buy it cause they would be throwing away $30. It's also nice to see how you guys proved my points, but its good that someone finally mentioned what was good about it, even though others quit for those very same reasons.
Graphics Here is why I think EQ2 graphics arent that good. Let me start with the simple fact of polies. Considering the smothness and detail in the characters, the monster models are in the 2k poly range and the PC models are near the 5k range. Considering this game isnt single player, that is very excessive. Even single player games start to pre-render when they start hitting those numbers. They also made no effort at all to properly get rid of that high poly count. Simply put if they modeled it good at low poly first, then thier high-poly version would look better. Instead, they used the more lazy method of making a High poly model first, then cutting down the poly count. This ofcourse leads to ugly graphics on the low end. Considering you would need a top of the line computer to see those high end graphics, the low end ones nothing special. Take for examply guild wars. Thier are about 20 polies in the head total, and they look well put together. They look almost photo-realistic. Now take EQ2. There are 400 polies in the head, and it looks realistic, but only a small step above Guild Wars. Also you cant forget the poly count in the landscape. The trees themselves look to be running about 1k polies each, which explains why the fields are pretty barren with a tree every once and a while. The grass is only 1 poly, but there are thousands of that one poly. Then the actual mountains are running at 50k polies, I know I made a mountain using that method. It is literally anywhere from 25k to 200k polies, judging my the detail in the faces its most likely 50k. On screen at any one moment the player will most likely be hitting around 150k polies alone on fields, and close the the millions in towns.
With that said allow me to further explain why the graphic quality isnt that great. While designing these characters they forgot to include visual asthetics, such as color, tone, and contrast. In some of the screens I have seen, there is this really dulled down color pallet with a cool tone. Then there is this huge white blob thingy that you really cant diferentiate because the tonal value in the armor is almost the exact same. Wow they just made a 4k poly object in order to create something an amateur modeler could have made with 100. Then there is the complete opposite effect. You can no longer see your character when they run along walls because the colors match almost identically. Properly designing the game would have included choosing out tonal ranges ahead of time, and experimenting with colors in multiple environments. The funny thing is that they did this in most of the other more well known games.
One thing I hate is how people mistake realism for good graphical quality. There is more to making a good photograph then getting the camera that can show the most detail. Its more about showing the image so its pleasing to the eye. One thing I hate about these graphics is they didnt even think about abstraction. Well maybe for the building where they repeat the same tiling texture then attempt to hide it by bump mapping and causing your system even more heart aches. Abstraction is a very simple concept, you take out what isnt appealing from an original immage in order to make it better. It looks like they weren't going for that kind of mindset when making the characters, unlike in other games.
Now time to write why I dont like EQ2 even further.
1. They did not achieve what they said they have.
Features:
The massive world is smaller then most competing mmorpgs. The new user interface is ok I guess, I would have to explore it further before I can completely dis it. Races and classes dont matter if the gameplay elements for them are monotonous, or contigious with other classes. You cant even import your EQ player to EQ2.
2. The crafting system is made out by other players to be like a Data Entry job
3. The combat system is restrictive, with the lock system.
4. It uses the class system. I prefer the far less inhibiting skill system, as long as there are many skills to obtain.
5. Level Grinding. Ya sure its easier without it. Its also a game, games are suppose to be fun, not staring at your screen waiting to kill something then move onto an identical monster and do it again. That isnt called challenging, because it doesnt require coherent thought. It's called patience. The patience not to get bored out of your mind.
6. Player housing is limited. Yes I said it. You get a house, but you dont do anything with it, it's just there if you want to sit and do nothing. Maybe have your character sitting down and staring at something like the player is.
7. Style. It re-uses the same style 75% of mmorpgs do. Granted its set eons on the same story line of another mmorpg, but it was also set eons on the same story line of another mmorpg. Typically the style of the world would change, even if the world ended, the style would still be different.
8. NO INNOVATION. I cant stress that enough. The game is suppose to be a leader in the mmorpg market, yet it didnt try anything ground breakling new or even notable. WoW has the style and revamped quest system, Guild Wars has a refined grouping system, Dark and Light has well a ton of new stuff, Tatsumuki Land at war has a great new theme. If you want a game to be great you need something to make people want it. You cant simply give the same old same old and not expect people to get sick of it.
Now I will wait for someone to quote my response like you always do, then go right down the list with the paragraphs I so kindly split up and write right under them why they are invalid points regardless of the fact that they really are valid. Yet your response will be point by point with a very weak response to each and every topic and expect case closed. Simply put if thats all you can do to this post then this game really does suck more then I thought because I might have not listed any great reasons why they are good, but you would have never released any info why it would merit getting.
Don't bother to wait ... please
Nothing worth quoting. You don't like this, you don't like that, you don't like the other. Fine. We get it. Now if only you could tear yourself away from discussing what you can't stand day in day out? Find something to like instead of living for your criticisms and in hope of making someone else unhappy.
Liking and enjoying a game is not a matter of someone convincing you. "Oh, er uh, dang, I really thought I was having great fun but now that I hear your criticisms I'm not". Uh huh.
But guys (not you Cleffy), again I ask this question: why do you waste your time arguing with this type. Do you not see that he simply wants to troll and couldn't care less what you say? He's determined to be miserable so let him.
Who cares whether any of the troll patrol likes the game or not. Once you get a feel for them, isn't it better that they don't? Do you want them in your guild, in your group, or even on your server? IMO Bon Voyage and I'll even buy you a bag of chips for the trip to somewhere else
These guys whining and quitting the game is like the roaches in your garage filing a complaint and moving out.
Personally, I think the graphics are utterly beautiful. I run the game on the balanced setting and the game is so gorgeous I can hardly stand it. I have to disagree with the colors. I think the color palet seems dulled down and unsaturated to give it a more almost rustic look, unlike WoW where everything is so bright and colorful. However, if it bothers you that much you can turn on the bloom effect and shazam! you get much brighter colors because of the light effects. Also, I don't know about you, but I think those 400 poly heads make a huge difference. The faces on the characters really makes you feel like that character is alive and standing right in front of you.
About the size of the world. How far did you get into the game? The game is massive! You can't just look at the world map and say those are all the zones! There are dozens of dungeons and instances and other places in the game! The world of Norrath isn't as big as it was at the end of EQ1, but that's because a lot of it is now under water!
How is it not easy to play? The learning curve is practically null especially with the island of refuge! I think it's just the right balance of simpleness and complexity.
As for the exclusive EQ1 content I can't comment as I didn't get EQ1 until about a week ago.
I love the crafting system! I love how you have to work at it to get good. I love how you can't just click "craft" and you magically get your item. I love how even it encorporates a class system. Hell I love pretty much everything about it. It's the first MMO I've played where I am actually having fun crafting. It's also nice to know that when you get your crafting skill up you are of actual value to other players who maybe don't craft or they picked a different artisan class. It balances itself out and no one can be perfect and good at everything. You are always depended on by others, and dependent ON others at the same time.
I LOVE the combat system. It's exciting and it's just plain awesome to watch. I love the frenzied buttom mashing feel I get when I'm in a tense battle. It's just fun. And although I agree the combat system can get annoying at times, it's not for the same reason most people don't like it. I like how it pretty much stops power leveling, but the reason I don't like it is because I can't help people if they truly need it unless they call for help. Other than that it really doesn't bother me that much.
I like the class system and the skill system equally. They are just different. IMO they both have their ups and downs. I like how EQ2 encorporates some skill system elements into the class system such as racial abilities and the other things you get every few levels.
I agree that EQ2 has a grind, but I think it is a FUN grind. I honestly don't mind spending hours fighting the same giants over and over in the same group because I'm having fun doing so. Not only that, but if you DO get bored with it you can go explore which gets you experience, you can go quest which gets you experience in more ways than one. And if not go work up your crafting skill or make some money. There's so many things to do I can't see how you could be bored. If you don't want to grind, do something different! Also, because of the grind, I think there is a much greater sense of accomplishment when you level. At least I always feel like I did something special that was worth all that time I spent getting there.
What are you SUPPOSED to do in a player house? You can buy forges or something and you can craft in it and stuff, but what are they for in any MMORPG other than to just cool and be fun to have and decorate how you want? I'm not necessarily saying there can't be another reason for them, I just can't think of any.
I like EQ2's style. I like the story too, it really pulls you in. I don't completely see what you're getting at here as 75% of all MMORPGs including DnL and WoW are high fantasy style.
I would deffinitely NOT say it has no innovation. I know a lot of people don't agree but I really think it's the most immersive MMO out there. What other game has voice-over for almost every NPC? I really didn't think it made that much of a difference either until the other day when I went and played EQ1 and FFXI again. It annoyed the hell out of me that I couldn't hear what they were saying! EQ2 really set a new stamdard for me in this catagory. Not only that, but Qeynos and Freeport are the best damn cities I have ever seen in a game. They really took a lot of time to make them feel like living breathing cities, and it worked. I really feel like I'm walking around a fantasy city when I go around Qeynos. They are so beautifully built and I just love the general feel of both cities, especially how they implimented player ecology in the NPCs so that they interact with each other, not just you.
Schutzbar - Human Warrior - Windrunner Alliance - World of Warcraft
Nihilanth - Kerra Paladin - Blackburrow - EverQuest II
XBL Gamertag - Eagle15GT
WoW jodokai , did you even PLAY wow or just listen to the mass generalizations everyone that doesn't like it spews out?
Unfortunately this seems to be the way everyone posts "good" reasons to play EQ2 " XXX beats WoW xxxx"
"1) Sever stabliltiy. It is a FACT the servers on WoW are awful. Resaons don't matter, and excuses don't get rid of wait queues."
20 out of 88 servers are having problems , yeah that's true. Does it have anything to do with the game itself or why it makes EQ2 better? Not really imo. All the people who play on those servers still love WOW(the game itself).
"2) Graphics: The graphics are sub-par and don't let me get into the game."
Technically oh so true but unless you missed all the people playing it saying it looks absolutely marvellous stylish when playing it you're either not keeping an open mind or just lying here. Graphics are absolutely subjective but if WoW has shown anything on the Mmo market these days it is that low tech graphics can make a game look just as impressive as high tech graphics if used well. Graphics != Good game.
" 3) Community: The community is awful. Worst I have EVER seen in an MMO. I have never witnessed more immature, idiots in my life. It drives me nuts. I don't like to be around people like that and since there is no way to get away from it, even on an RP server where they come just to harass RP'ers, I'll leave it."
I have never found it hard to surround myself with people i do like. I've seen retards on any server in any game. Loads of people who play both game on the VNboards agree there's not much of difference between both games. If this is such a big gripe for you you'd feel the same in EQ2.
" 5) Easy. The game is WAAAAAY too easy. After playing I don't feel like I've accomplished anything. Even crafting can be done almost by accident."
Explain what makes this game "easy" . (no soloing to the cap doesn't = "easy" , if you think it is it means you consider going to the cap means being forced into groups)
" 6) Voice overs rule. I get disappointed now when I go to a game that doesn't have them."
Matter of opinion and taste. I remember the scala of posts of people who turned it off after getting the same voice spam time after time afte rtime. Mind you , yes , they did put in a one time only feat. but it still goes to show voice overs go only so far and honestly , just like graphics , it's a Love affect that noone really notices anymore after the first month or two.
" 7) Crafting in EQ2 is awsome. It takes work to be a good crafter, so a lot of people don't bother with it, making it even more rewarding when you reach level 25."
Won't argue with this. It seems to be an excellent crafting system although perhaps it couldve been finished a bit more before leaving beta but that's just temporary.
"8) Interaction. In WoW if there were no other people on your server, you could go from level 1 to 60 without ever needing another person. You need other people in EQ2, that is a big reason I play an MMO."
I don't see the gripe in this. If you want to play with people in groups you can simply choose to do so in WoW and in higher levels it's often even needed for Elites and other things but yes it's still possible to solo. So some guy solos and someone else who loves to group keeps hitting the elites with a good group of friends. I don't see the problem.
"9) Class diversity. Every 10th level paladin in WoW is EXACTLY the same. In EQ2 you have racial skills and different class skills to pick from."
Umm , level 10? Yes , maybe? Actually people can pick talents all through their life while playing wow with 3 different trees to pick from if you so desire. You're telling me there's more diversity in EQ2's way of handling this? Besides a roleplaying value how much do those Racial skills really affect your char?
10) Races, There are more races to choose from in EQ2, and I like the races better
Yes there are definately more races to choose from in EQ2 but they're all the same in the end. The starting points you can assign mean next to nothing at higher levels versus points gained/gear. Only things to consider are class talents which as far as i've seen mean very little.
11) Customization. Not much difference in the characters in WoW."
Please elaborate since i don't fully comprehend the aspects of this comparison.
Now if someone could simply make a list of things that make EQ2 a GOOD game to them and not why they think it makes WoW a bad game maybe someone would take them seriously.
Don't play EQ2. It's a very poor quality MMORPG. Considering the game is score at 6,5.
Every website you may found on the earth are under control by SOE. You would hear only good thing from them.
You ar Ridiculous !.. go play game w.e you like and dont waste your TIME In OUR forums, we have no biased opinions. I just gave you my opinion about the game, nothing biased about it. idiotcly moron
Reading thru cleffy's post i can easily see he has never played EQ2 and quoting some 3rd hand information and generalization spread about the game so no even bothering to quote him.
Sorry guys i actually thought he did play EQ2 but seems he never even touched it to start with.