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Is it to late to start?
Justin83x
Member Posts: 406
in EVE Online
How long has eve been out? Would starting now as a new player be to late?
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Its here for a loooooooooooooooooong time now :P
plus its based on real time learning skills,so yes someone who starts now hes a bit late :P
So if I tried to jump in right now, it would be at games end prolly by the time I was able to join the majority of the player base?
While it's been out for a long time, it doesn't matter. Because you can only use a certain number of skills, you can be competitive with vets in a matter of like 6 or 8 months. You won't be flying a titan, but you can def. keep up with them in the smaller ships. Remember, every fleet needs frigates too.
Also, I don't think the game will end any time soon. It's the only MMORPG that's been growing in sub numbers since it launched. In fact, they broke their peak concurrent users again. Had something like 53000 people online at once (in their single server... well their single universe, it spans multiple servers).
I would definitely look in the EVE forums because this topic was just addressed the other day. With Dominion having just come out the other day, its probably the best time to get started. No you can't do EVERYTHING all the people from back in the day can do, but within a few weeks/months, you'll be doing great.
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Ye in EVE even the smaller ships can make many thinks in battle
as long as the Captain knows what he does 
The common response to this question is invariably, "It's never too late to start playing EVE."
There's a lot of truth to that, but it's not the whole truth. The fact of the matter is, you'll never catch up to people who've been playing the game for years in terms of skill points, you'll likely never reach the same ISK-earning potential the big boys have (unless they quit, but then there are smaller big boys waiting to take their place), and the opportunity to "get in on the ground floor" in nullsec space has long since passed. It's like the difference between the colonial U.S. and today's U.S.: There are still opportunities to be had today, but the land grabs, gold rushes and new "angles" to discover have gone the way of the buffalo.
It's certainly true that if you focus all of your skills on one area, you'll be able to properly compete in that field of expertise within a matter of months... as long as you don't set your sights too high, that is. If you want to fly a mothership or anything bigger/more advanced than a battleship, you're going to be waiting a long time, and your choice of what to do while you wait will be limited (see below).
If you spend a few months mastering all the skills required to fly a T2 interceptor properly, for example, you're not going to get any better at mining, trading (there are skills for that), running missions, research, production, reconnaissance, hauling (with large cargo ships), corporate administration, or really anything else for that matter. I mean, you can technically do those things at a beginner level, but your character's going to really suck at them (and not be able to compete with specialists or earn much money) until you've got the interceptor training done and out of the way.
Basically, if you want to do more than one thing at a time in EVE as a new player, you'll have to buy multiple accounts at full price.
Even so, I still highly recommend EVE and consider it a fantastic game. But, the full range of activities the game has to offer takes a LARGE spread of skill points to meaningfully participate in. That's my #1 problem with the game to this day. It's great to have specialists and inter-dependency in an MMORPG, but I personally think the game gets incredibly boring after a while until you have enough SP (or enough accounts) to do a wider range of activities.
Unless you become a pirate, that is. Piracy is an end, a means and a full-time exciting profession in and of itself. If you have spunk and a good head on your shoulders, and aren't afraid to take risks, you can join a good pirate corporation after just two or three months as a tackler or similar. If not for piracy, I would have retired from EVE long before I did.
Currently Playing: EVE Online
Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
My oldest character dates back to 2003 and I've done everything from innocent miner to merciless pirate.
Some people will (and have, I see) tell you no; it's not too late because you can become competetive in a short time. I disagree. The part these folks tend to gloss over is that in Eve, there is a huge difference between opening a door to a room and enjoying a comfy position on the sofa in that room.
Let me explain. It's true that in relatively short order you can gain access to powerful ships and weapons. However, what you will not have is all the other skills that maximize their potential. Simply qualifying for a given class of ship is not the same thing as having level 5 skills across the board in engineering, electronics, gunnery, and the other trees that squeeze more and more performance out of that ship and its equipment. So while you may have yourself a battleship that's just like mine, I have level 5 in every skill that could possibly affect the performance of the ship and its gear. We are therefore functionally, if not in fact, not flying the same ship at all.
Anyone who tells you otherwise is either lying or doesn't do well with math. X% more power here, Y% more damage there, Z% higher firing rate over there, N% higher damage resistance bonus over yonder... it certainly adds up to a tremendous advantage which is difficult to deny. All you have to do is examine the skill tree and break out a calculator, which is helpfully included in the UI.
Rather than engage in the theoretical, I'll just relate the short version of a day that actually happened.
For a time I was leading a small band of Wealth Redistribution Consultants. That is to say we took your stuff, sold it, and kept the money. One day a small corp, with an average of about 6 months' worth of character development per player, decided they were going to "clean up" that part of space and make it "safe". I was the only one on at the time and so with my battleship I took on their fleet of one battleship, a couple cruisers, and a couple frigates. I wiped the floor with them.
Now, did that happen because I was some kind of awesome
Eve badass? Hardly. I was an average player at best. And while it certainly helped that I had that sector well mapped out with jump points for ambush, sniping and retreat, the fact is they just didn't have the (character) skills to take out a character with four years of skill training time. They wanted to; they just couldn't. As the Stones said, time was on my side.
The only time this doesn't matter is when you're taking part in an enormous fleet battle, since they are won and lost at the whim of chaos and lag anyway.
Can you do interesting stuff even if you start today? Sure. And so what I recommend is that you try it anyway and determine for yourself if you enjoy playing the game. When you get down to it that's all that really matters. But if you're asking specifically about whether your guy born today would ever really be the equal of my guy born in 2003 and retired in 2007, then I would say sure -- in four years.
you'll be spending a lot of time suffering through stupid leveling decisions. Learning skills, passive Buff skills that add a buff no mattter what your fit is, an increasing gear tier, and dozens of high skill requirements to fly some ships. I consider time based training a brillent idea though.
Of course EvE is also an utterly awesome game with nothing else, even similar games, coming remotely close.
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Ask for a buddy pass on the EvE forum of this site. Join the game with someone who's been around having an interest in keeping you around for an extra month or so.
EvE is a fun game if you're playing with the right people.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Sup man.
In my opinion it is never to late to start an MMO as long as you'll be having fun. If you're fun factor revolves around being competitive in pvp instead of just experiencing the game then yea maybe it's too late to start in some cases, but very rarely. You can always earn your rank
In the case of EVE.. damn that game is growing! I'm pretty sure this is as good a time as ever to get into it.
Have fun
Exactly right. Skill level 5 takes longer to train than the first four levels combined (if I recall correctly; it's been two years). When people say, "You can be competitive within five or six months," they actually mean, "You can have almost all the skills you need for a given ship at level 4 within five or six months."
Getting all the skills you need to level 5 and maximizing your potential takes easily twice as long. And all those 5s do indeed make a significant difference in your performance, when taken as a whole.
I don't have EVEMon anymore, but I'd be interested to know how long it would take for a brand-new character to hit level 5 in all skills pertaining to a T2 interceptor, which of course also includes learning-type skills. Even with some reasonably affordable implants thrown in there to accelerate the process, I'm guessing it would take about a year.
And T2 interceptors are about the smallest "non-cannon fodder" ships available. Level 5 in all skills pertaining to motherships would take, what, two years? More? Plus, as I pointed out earlier, if you only have one account, that's all you'll be training in for that year (or two, if you're shooting for something bigger).
Currently Playing: EVE Online
Retired From: UO, FFXI, AO, SWG, Ryzom, GW, WoW, WAR
You should see the "Why EVE sucks" post in the EVE forums.. It's there somewhere
It all boils down to, EVE is a game for ebayed players. It is an MMORPG that does not rely at all on time investment. You just have to maintain a subscription for a very long time.
If you want an MMORPG you don't have to play, and one that functions usually as a screen saver, then that is EVE.
If you want an MMORPG that requires some time investment, some skill, a brain, etc. well, that doesn't exist yet (although old EQ was like that.)
You have been warned. lol.
It's never too "late" to start an MMO, especially this one. Give it a few days... and if you like what you see and how the game plays, then enjoy the hell out of it.
I mean it has a trial, give it a test run. You'll know within the time period if it's for you or not.
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
You can totaly have fun in the game, join up in RvB, there are a large amount of "newish" pilots there, i had great fun shootin ppl there when i was at very low SP. Its not to late at all to join.
One could make the same arguement ppl here are making for a game like wow. in WoW someone who has been playing longer than you will have better gear, and be able to do better in arena, you will hardly catch up. untill an xpac comes atleast, but thats not important!
PLAY EVE ITS AWSOME
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The thing to remember in EvE is that any given skill only goes to 5. And in basic skills, you can reach 5 quickly (and reach 4 in about a fifth that time). You can be skilled up to fill a single basic role at top level in not all that much time, and no character in the game will be better than you at that role. They'll be able to do a lot of other things you can't do, but they won't be better than you at the one thing you can do.
The trick is not to rush to a big ship. A big ship takes lots of skills to run, and those skills have large multipliers (meaning, they take a long time to learn). Instead of rushing to a battleship and trying to fly it with skills of 2 or 3 (and getting pwned), fly a frigate and fly it damn well, at skill levels 4 and 5 (frigate skills learn much faster). Wait until you've trained up properly before flying a BS, which will come, in time. It'll take a while, but once you get there, you will, once again, be as good at flying a BS as somebody who's been in the game forever. And so on.
Oh yeah, and, if you're convinced you're in it for the long run, do your learning skills *first*. All of them. They will make a big difference.
Ok now I ask you. If I do start the game soon which faction is the best or coolest to be?
None . Ships and skills are important and you can train use /train all 4 races ships ,your faction doesnot limit you .I would go to official eve forum and read a bit while downloading trial .Have you got any career route in your mind ? will be easier to answer than
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I'm not sure what all I can even do lol. Prolly a little bit of everything.
No answers to the above?
Kid, you need to ask the right questions and think out of the box...
Here is a GREAT answer, probably waaaaay over your head but give it some thought.
Is it too late to have a baby and raise it in this world? I mean, since all the other adult humans have cars and houses and flat screen TV's and stuff...will it be too late to "join the human race"? Now think about THAT and come to your conclusion. Sheesh, get a grip.
Read the lore for each race see what suites your style more
Amarr are the religious race, they use lasers, armor tank really well
Caldari are the more human-like race, they like to use railguns and missiles and ECW, shield tank really well
Gallente like to use drones and blasters, do both types of tanking
Minmatar are the more agile race, they like using cannons such as 1400's
, they do both but armor is better for minnies
Lmao, Kid haha thats a good one. Before you open your mouth next time about one of the things thats been answered read the whole thread. I was asking about what another member wrote about needing to know what path I want to take in the game.
Read the lore for each race see what suites your style more
Amarr are the religious race, they use lasers, armor tank really well
Caldari are the more human-like race, they like to use railguns and missiles and ECW, shield tank really well
Gallente like to use drones and blasters, do both types of tanking
Minmatar are the more agile race, they like using cannons such as 1400's
, they do both but armor is better for minnies
Thank you for paying attention and reading the whole thread before tring to insult someone like the poster before you did. Also thank you for the answer.
I'm not sure what all I can even do lol. Prolly a little bit of everything.
No offense, but did you even read the responses to your thread? I read every post because I'm trying to figure out what I want to be also (already played, but did what others said NOT to do, go towards a big ship immediately. I sucked ass hard).
Every person here pretty much said that you can't do "a little bit of everything" and still be good. You have to pick something and max it out before you move on to something else, otherwise it will take eternity to be even slightly useful.
I'm not sure what all I can even do lol. Prolly a little bit of everything.
No offense, but did you even read the responses to your thread? I read every post because I'm trying to figure out what I want to be also (already played, but did what others said NOT to do, go towards a big ship immediately. I sucked ass hard).
Every person here pretty much said that you can't do "a little bit of everything" and still be good. You have to pick something and max it out before you move on to something else, otherwise it will take eternity to be even slightly useful.
Yes I read them all. I just would want to be able to do everything maybe not master it all but try it all. I don't even know all the things you can do in this game. I asked that before but, haven't had a answer yet. Do you know all the things that can be done?