The whole premise of this issue is absurd. In fact, any attack upon any form of media, be it music, games, movies, etc., accusing it of corrupting moral and ethical values is unsane (not insane). It's unfortunate that our society has brought us to the point where placing blame on others for our personal state of well being is the norm. People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions and choices in life. They need to stop looking to companies to take on that responsibility for them.
As pointed out by the author, this game was given a rating to provide parents with the information necessary to make a choice of whether this game is suitable for our children. That is where the gaming industry's responsibility should end. After that, it's the consumers choice on what is appropriate for them or their kin. If something offends you, then, simply, avoid it. Don't buy it, turn it off, look away.
Helen Lovejoy needs to realize that she has a very important role to play in the life of her family and of herself. Take initiative, stop pointing fingers, do what's right for your life, and leave us to ours.
Kudos Bioware. It's good to see that you're taking chances (chances that shouldn't be chances) in this unsane society. I look forward to more of your games and I, truly, hope others follow suit.
I have nothing against the game, I'm an adult, I'm not challenged by pixels.
However the writer(s?) on website which called it "dirty gay sex" should be condemned as a bigot and a homophobe. He/she didn't criticize the game for its "dirty straight sex," did they?
Sigh. To think we're living in thee 21st c.
So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Agreed.
They should not be condemned, their ignorance and bigotry should. All ignorance and bigotry should be condemned no matter from the Right or the Left.
I have nothing against the game, I'm an adult, I'm not challenged by pixels.
However the writer(s?) on website which called it "dirty gay sex" should be condemned as a bigot and a homophobe. He/she didn't criticize the game for its "dirty straight sex," did they?
Sigh. To think we're living in thee 21st c.
So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Agreed.
They should not be condemned, their ignorance and bigotry should. All ignorance and bigotry should be condemned no matter from the Right or the Left.
Perhaps the very act of condeming should be condemned... wait a minute, did I just condemn myself? lol
I have nothing against the game, I'm an adult, I'm not challenged by pixels.
However the writer(s?) on website which called it "dirty gay sex" should be condemned as a bigot and a homophobe. He/she didn't criticize the game for its "dirty straight sex," did they?
Sigh. To think we're living in thee 21st c.
So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Agreed.
They should not be condemned, their ignorance and bigotry should. All ignorance and bigotry should be condemned no matter from the Right or the Left.
Perhaps the very act of condeming should be condemned... wait a minute, did I just condemn myself? lol
Homosexuality, multiple-partner sex, bestiality, and adultery are all forms of sexual deviance that are morally wrong in almost every culture. Protesting against blatant sexual deviance is not homophobia. However protesting against sexual deviance in a game where the object is to run around killing people is a bit absurd.
First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false.
Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case.
Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly.
Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
Morally wrong is NOT morally wrong. Morally wrong is whatever a group of people say it is. In some places its morally wrong in some places its not. Why isn't it universal? If it was truly morally wrong, even the places that are fine with it would have to acknowledge that they are ok with being immoral, when in fact countries that are fine with it recognize it isn't immoral. For every country like Saudi Arabia, I can point to you to a country that has absolutely no problem with homosexuality. Not only can you not define what morally wrong is, you can't even back up your claim about it being wrong in almost countries.
As far as your protesting rational, I can show how cutting off someone's hand would harm them, you can't show any harm for homosexuality. Its pure homophobia. To even claim that being gay is immoral is homophobic. And lets be clear, we're not discussing about a "public display of sexual deviance" or are you saying that a public display of man/woman vaginal sex would ok? What we're talking about is public acknowledgment that homosexuality exists and there is nothing wrong with it. Oh, I understand some people think there is something wrong with it, but just because some small-minded people think it, doesn't make it true.
But see that's the problem, for some of the posters here the mere ackowledgement that homosexuality exists is a problem. Bioware going out of their way to give options that allow gay gamers a bit of recognition, a chance to be themselves, is not something to be applauded, but to be decried as the beginning of an avalanche of the gay that with bury society.
Yeah right.
Also, really, I go out to work shaking my head at being called deluded and come home to find we've regressed to the 1950's and I'm a deviant?
Trafficking in moral absolutes is the business of philopsophers not the luxury of blowhard forum posters.
As Dana pointed out, lumping homosexuality in with bestiality etc. is insulting.
Gay people exist (shock!), we play games (double shock!) and whether Yamoda, Battleaxe and co agree with it or not, we are an audience it doesn't hurt to cater to every now and then.
If DA:O contained porn or an unacceptable degree or permutation of sexuality, the ESRB would have dropped the banhammer.
They didn't, ergo, no porn.
Quod erat demonstrandum (a hat tip to the romans...).
Video games are ABSOLUTELY the right place to analyze social stigmas. Major kudos to Bioware for making the game they wanted, and saying "fuck you" to playing it safe like all the other dry, copypaste RPG garbage. Games should be interesting. I would like to make the case for games as art, or social commentary, and games like Dragon Age: Origins allow me to do so, even if only in the slightest. We need more. Games can be art, they just typically aren't.
I just watched a cell phone commercial on national TV that showed Mrs. Clause and Frosty the Snowman in bed together and he was rubbing her with his carrot nose. Imagine that, Mrs. Clause sleepin around on Santa. Where's the Controversy there. Nothing is sacred anymore.
Some people are so dumb. It has a big "M" on it so get over it, they'll put what they want. Its a great game too with a lot of different paths to follow giving it a long play time!
Originally posted by greed0104Originally posted by smutOriginally posted by AngorimOriginally posted by Khalathwyr More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
Apparently homosexuality is the root of all evil and is the most pressing concern to conservatives. Then again, global warming is a myth. (lol). Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends! Apparently the writers have something against spooning. Okay, i'm in a mellow mood and the moderators will probably not like it. Still, gotta do it.
People are offended by gay sex because it is a distortion of what sex was made for. Whether you believe in evolution, christianity or whatever it doesn't matter. Neither lesbians or gays can seem to put it in the right hole and for good reason... it's not supposed to. If you are gay, congratulations. But just because people are gay doesn't mean the world needs to cater to gays in every aspect of life. Gays are a MINORITY and the majority of the population is disgusted by it and rightfully so.
I haven't played dragonage but if the sex is the same as Mass Effect its no worse then what you'd see on your daily tv show or soap opera. You can watch people get shot, maimed and killed but can't watch people have sex. You can join the army and kill people at 18 but can't buy alcohol til 21 lol... stupid shit.
People are offended by gay sex because it is a distortion of what sex was made for. Whether you believe in evolution, christianity or whatever it doesn't matter. Neither lesbians or gays can seem to put it in the right hole and for good reason... it's not supposed to. If you are gay, congratulations. But just because people are gay doesn't mean the world needs to cater to gays in every aspect of life. Gays are a MINORITY and the majority of the population is disgusted by it and rightfully so.
So you don't like the Zev/Male PC and Leliana/Female PC.....awwwww
i don't think it pushes the envelope enough. The games industry now earns more than Hollywood and as films did some time ago games are growing up. The simple answer to this is the same as for films as well, if you don't like it or find it offensive then don't play it.
Let us not forget that the lions share of the worlds problems are directly caused by ultra conservative groups who think that everyone alive should follow the same agenda as they do and are willing to beat the notion into you. From the Taliban to the local priest that thinks role-playing is devil worship, all of them cut from the same cloth ( although some are more militant than others ). It falls on the rest of us, the ( normal ) majority to do the actual thinking and to make a stand against them by supporting those that do push the envelope in increasing the freedoms that most of us enjoy. Kudos Bioware, keep up the good work.
I will say it, and not really care what people think. But the game was great! Well done, well written, and well acted! As for the homosexuality, I never went down that road. I do not agree with that choice in life style but because its in a game doesn't mean you have to play it, didn't bother me any.
The fact that this writer tried to make people that disagree with this life style seem like a bunch of whack jobs is a bit off key, but honestly who cares. I don't agree with it, so the gay community can sue me. I loved the game, so the Christian community can sue me to
People are offended by gay sex because it is a distortion of what sex was made for. Whether you believe in evolution, christianity or whatever it doesn't matter. Neither lesbians or gays can seem to put it in the right hole and for good reason... it's not supposed to. If you are gay, congratulations. But just because people are gay doesn't mean the world needs to cater to gays in every aspect of life. Gays are a MINORITY and the majority of the population is disgusted by it and rightfully so.
The majority are not aroused by it.
Disgust is quite another matter, and I most definitely think that you are mistaken that the majority are 'disgusted' by homosexuality. That's pretty sick.
As for 'a distortion of what sex was made for,' I might point out that the vast majority of sex between the vast majority of couples in the world is performed for pleasure and without the intention to procreate. How perverted.
To refer to homosexuality as a perversion, you must, by the same logic, consider not only contraception and all forms of non-procreative sexuality to be perverted, but also all products of self-awareness that don't contribute to the propagation of our genes. What an exhaustive list of human achievement that would be. You'd need to be not just a Luddite, but a furry hunter-gatherer well before the harnessing of fire.
Get a grip.
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i don't think it pushes the envelope enough. The games industry now earns more than Hollywood and as films did some time ago games are growing up. The simple answer to this is the same as for films as well, if you don't like it or find it offensive then don't play it.
Let us not forget that the lions share of the worlds problems are directly caused by ultra conservative groups who think that everyone alive should follow the same agenda as they do and are willing to beat the notion into you. From the Taliban to the local priest that thinks role-playing is devil worship, all of them cut from the same cloth ( although some are more militant than others ). It falls on the rest of us, the ( normal ) majority to do the actual thinking and to make a stand against them by supporting those that do push the envelope in increasing the freedoms that most of us enjoy. Kudos Bioware, keep up the good work.
All generalizations are false, including this one. Mark Twain
The Hubris of the Left is as bad as the Theism of the Right.
This is truly getting out of control....who cares..what utter bullcrap. People fighting, bringing religion and politics into a video game. It is like what Fox News tried to do Mass Effect and that idiot lawyer does with GTA and other "violent" games. If you have a problem, don't play the game.
With violence, at least, you can have some interesting discussions about why the hell we try to make violence entertaining, who enjoys it and why, whether or not we ought to stimulate that desire, in what cases it is or isn't a desire being stimulated, et cetera....
But sex? Everyone enjoys it and we know perfectly well why. Nothing interesting here. I might even say there could hardly be anything more mundane and I'm always surprised we so often flip our lids over it.
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(Things = Anything oyu may find offensive from swearing, sex, drugs, rock and roll...you name it, you hate it...its what I'm talking about.)
Long ago people got offended when things were done on stage, hey look nobody cares whether or not a woman is portraying a character because well...its theater.
Long ago people got offended when things were published in books, hey look...last I checked I read more gruesome stuff in 9th grade than show up in a video game any day.
Long ago people got offended when things were sung in songs and music. Yea...nobody cares...Read a book mutha fucka.
Long ago people got offended when things were shown in Movies and on Television and on the Radio. By and large the rating system solved that...YET AGAIN....we have channels for everybody.
Long ago people got offended when things started popping up on Chatrooms, Websites, etc. All accessible by our kids. TADA we have ratings and other things in place to "protect our kids"(that and its the internet).
Now people are btiching about Video Games. Sorry peeps, Wolfenstein 3D, Nazi's, Blood, Death, Gore, Guns, Prostitutes. Duke Nuke'em, Quake...you name it...GTA...all these games have similar issues. Honestly It will become acceptable like everything else.
Whatever the medium, anything and everything that hits a target audience can and should be used as an avenue to present hot-buttion social issues. Why? Because that is the place where that target audience is able to most easily digest the information. Is that avenue for everyone? NO. But why limit ourselves? Why hide behind lies? Why shelter your kid so they don't know what a Penis is till they reach the age of 16? Why? Because people are bigoted idiots...thats the only reason to shelter.
Knowledge is power, let us teach our kids properly so they don't grow up to shoot people, so they don't grow up to have a child at 14 cause they knocked up their girlfriend while having unprotected sex. LETS EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN SO THAT THEY MAY DRIVE US TOWARDS EXPANSION OF KNOWLEDGE.
Sorry everyone...I'd like to not think about the fact that 200 years from now people might still live in trailers. I'd like to hope that we would get smarter and get beyond this Political Correctness bullshit or the Ultra-Social-Conservativism which threatens to revert our society back 100 years just because two dudes wanna kiss each other. (Psst....Greece...Rome...Yanno..B.C. Era...happened ALL THE DAMN TIME.).
End result - Yea, lets use Video games as a medium for the hot button issues...and lets inform the wackjobs that they can go to the field...sit on it...and ROTATE. And you know what, that statement was Racy at the time and used on Happy Days a lot. Get real people...
I'm waiting for the part where people say President Obama endorsed this game.
I guess no one plays that "Second life" game or has? It is some raunchy EA shit going on in there, I tell you.
Well, I guess when The Old Republic comes out, there will be some Sith and Jedi characters using saber hilts for other things rather than fighting with them/ face palm (George don't do it man)!
Health Insurance Isn't in debt...last time i looked those Banks were pretty much about to sink and take a ton of innocent people with them. Thats a pretty big difference. The health care industry is frigging Mad Rich....Banks/ They made stupid risky investments in giving people loans that they can not realistically afford. Not to mention playing on the stock market which was just dumb in the first place with how lopsided its been since 9/11 Not sure I can comment on the car industry..maybe if we made Better Cars for the money people wouldn't buy fancy forgien cars. BTW if the government as so much even thinks about Bailing out the Insurance industry instead of improving health care...I'll hitch up my stuff and Move. Damn tired of greedy ass companies that make bad mistakes getting pay outs.
Hate to further derail the thread, and I find it imperative to comment on the last sentence.
Me and all but 1 friend from post-grad days, have left countries, me for decades. Not that moon is fuller on the other side, but that I can face it honestly and tell myself, "this stinks" in face of whoever I hate.
I hate the hypocracy at home. We go to church every weekend, and the priest is sleeping with the 10 year old kids. Some of us know it and still talks through him to god. Same for our "industry regulations". The greedy and the biggest gang up to rape the small companies and they help formulate business regulation policies they themselves hire tons of lawyers to find legal loopholes to get around.
If I am going to be a business man, I straight up tell my clients, this is my cut b/c I need to pay for my rental and my off hour MMO sub. Pay or get lost. I do not pretend I did my part, squander 90% of my company's fortune and blackmail the admin for billions of dollars of rescue funds simply b/c I screwed up big time and threaten to rock the economy. In the places I now travel, if I screw up my business, I will be begging on the streets.
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The whole premise of this issue is absurd. In fact, any attack upon any form of media, be it music, games, movies, etc., accusing it of corrupting moral and ethical values is unsane (not insane). It's unfortunate that our society has brought us to the point where placing blame on others for our personal state of well being is the norm. People need to start taking responsibility for their own actions and choices in life. They need to stop looking to companies to take on that responsibility for them.
As pointed out by the author, this game was given a rating to provide parents with the information necessary to make a choice of whether this game is suitable for our children. That is where the gaming industry's responsibility should end. After that, it's the consumers choice on what is appropriate for them or their kin. If something offends you, then, simply, avoid it. Don't buy it, turn it off, look away.
Helen Lovejoy needs to realize that she has a very important role to play in the life of her family and of herself. Take initiative, stop pointing fingers, do what's right for your life, and leave us to ours.
Kudos Bioware. It's good to see that you're taking chances (chances that shouldn't be chances) in this unsane society. I look forward to more of your games and I, truly, hope others follow suit.
So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Agreed.
They should not be condemned, their ignorance and bigotry should. All ignorance and bigotry should be condemned no matter from the Right or the Left.
So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Agreed.
They should not be condemned, their ignorance and bigotry should. All ignorance and bigotry should be condemned no matter from the Right or the Left.
Perhaps the very act of condeming should be condemned... wait a minute, did I just condemn myself? lol
So because someone does not agree with you, they should be condemned?? ohh wait, forgot thats how liberals think, be tolerant of everyone that agrees with you and condemn the rest as being intolerant...
Sigh. To think we're living in the 21st c.
Agreed.
They should not be condemned, their ignorance and bigotry should. All ignorance and bigotry should be condemned no matter from the Right or the Left.
Perhaps the very act of condeming should be condemned... wait a minute, did I just condemn myself? lol
YES
l bet bioware just sold thousands of copies today....virtual sex is the only way a nerd will be able to get anything these days....SHAZAM!!!!!
some jesus freak again got offended ? they better start listening to Slayer music lol.
You would know, eh? Lol
First of all to claim deviance you have to accept that there is a norm that is being deviated from. And you just can't do that. People all over the world throughout all times have done different things to get off. The idea that a sexual behavior is deviant is false.
Those things are not morally wrong in every culture. I understand that since you think those things are deviant, you also think that 'right-thinking' people all over the world agree with you, but its just not the case.
Now lets assume for the sake of argument that there is a sexual norm, and the things you listed do indeed deviate from that norm. That still doesn't mean those things are wrong, or morally wrong. Different doesn't mean wrong. Also you can't show any harm, so protesting against gay people IS homophobia.
The permissiveness of the US secular culture does not extend to the rest of the world. These acts ARE morally wrong in almost every culture. In some cultures, it even goes so far as to be punished by the death penalty for those who get caught in such situations. If you disagree, go to Saudi Arabia and practice homosexuality publicly.
Despite your wishing otherwise, morally wrong is morally wrong. Those with moral standards have the right to protest against that which they find immoral. Protesting against public display of sexual deviance is not homophobia, it's an attempt to bring moral values to their community and dissuade those practicing deviant behavior from committing immoral acts. The harm is to both those witnessing the acts and those committing them. If you were to stop someone who was about to cut off their hand, would you be handectomyphobic? No, you'd be expressing concern for that person's well-being.
Morally wrong is NOT morally wrong. Morally wrong is whatever a group of people say it is. In some places its morally wrong in some places its not. Why isn't it universal? If it was truly morally wrong, even the places that are fine with it would have to acknowledge that they are ok with being immoral, when in fact countries that are fine with it recognize it isn't immoral. For every country like Saudi Arabia, I can point to you to a country that has absolutely no problem with homosexuality. Not only can you not define what morally wrong is, you can't even back up your claim about it being wrong in almost countries.
As far as your protesting rational, I can show how cutting off someone's hand would harm them, you can't show any harm for homosexuality. Its pure homophobia. To even claim that being gay is immoral is homophobic. And lets be clear, we're not discussing about a "public display of sexual deviance" or are you saying that a public display of man/woman vaginal sex would ok? What we're talking about is public acknowledgment that homosexuality exists and there is nothing wrong with it. Oh, I understand some people think there is something wrong with it, but just because some small-minded people think it, doesn't make it true.
But see that's the problem, for some of the posters here the mere ackowledgement that homosexuality exists is a problem. Bioware going out of their way to give options that allow gay gamers a bit of recognition, a chance to be themselves, is not something to be applauded, but to be decried as the beginning of an avalanche of the gay that with bury society.
Yeah right.
Also, really, I go out to work shaking my head at being called deluded and come home to find we've regressed to the 1950's and I'm a deviant?
Trafficking in moral absolutes is the business of philopsophers not the luxury of blowhard forum posters.
As Dana pointed out, lumping homosexuality in with bestiality etc. is insulting.
Gay people exist (shock!), we play games (double shock!) and whether Yamoda, Battleaxe and co agree with it or not, we are an audience it doesn't hurt to cater to every now and then.
If DA:O contained porn or an unacceptable degree or permutation of sexuality, the ESRB would have dropped the banhammer.
They didn't, ergo, no porn.
Quod erat demonstrandum (a hat tip to the romans...).
Are the people who are complaining about the option to be gay in the game really complaining because they feel the temptation to choose that option?
If they are, then they are probably gay. But if they are gay, don't worry, you can always go to church and they will fix you.
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Video games are ABSOLUTELY the right place to analyze social stigmas. Major kudos to Bioware for making the game they wanted, and saying "fuck you" to playing it safe like all the other dry, copypaste RPG garbage. Games should be interesting. I would like to make the case for games as art, or social commentary, and games like Dragon Age: Origins allow me to do so, even if only in the slightest. We need more. Games can be art, they just typically aren't.
- Theguruofreason
I just watched a cell phone commercial on national TV that showed Mrs. Clause and Frosty the Snowman in bed together and he was rubbing her with his carrot nose. Imagine that, Mrs. Clause sleepin around on Santa. Where's the Controversy there. Nothing is sacred anymore.
Some people are so dumb. It has a big "M" on it so get over it, they'll put what they want. Its a great game too with a lot of different paths to follow giving it a long play time!
Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends!
Apparently the writers have something against spooning.
Okay, i'm in a mellow mood and the moderators will probably not like it. Still, gotta do it.
SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!
You can figure out for yourself where that came from.
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People are offended by gay sex because it is a distortion of what sex was made for. Whether you believe in evolution, christianity or whatever it doesn't matter. Neither lesbians or gays can seem to put it in the right hole and for good reason... it's not supposed to. If you are gay, congratulations. But just because people are gay doesn't mean the world needs to cater to gays in every aspect of life. Gays are a MINORITY and the majority of the population is disgusted by it and rightfully so.
I haven't played dragonage but if the sex is the same as Mass Effect its no worse then what you'd see on your daily tv show or soap opera. You can watch people get shot, maimed and killed but can't watch people have sex. You can join the army and kill people at 18 but can't buy alcohol til 21 lol... stupid shit.
So you don't like the Zev/Male PC and Leliana/Female PC.....awwwww
i don't think it pushes the envelope enough. The games industry now earns more than Hollywood and as films did some time ago games are growing up. The simple answer to this is the same as for films as well, if you don't like it or find it offensive then don't play it.
Let us not forget that the lions share of the worlds problems are directly caused by ultra conservative groups who think that everyone alive should follow the same agenda as they do and are willing to beat the notion into you. From the Taliban to the local priest that thinks role-playing is devil worship, all of them cut from the same cloth ( although some are more militant than others ). It falls on the rest of us, the ( normal ) majority to do the actual thinking and to make a stand against them by supporting those that do push the envelope in increasing the freedoms that most of us enjoy. Kudos Bioware, keep up the good work.
I will say it, and not really care what people think. But the game was great! Well done, well written, and well acted! As for the homosexuality, I never went down that road. I do not agree with that choice in life style but because its in a game doesn't mean you have to play it, didn't bother me any.
The fact that this writer tried to make people that disagree with this life style seem like a bunch of whack jobs is a bit off key, but honestly who cares. I don't agree with it, so the gay community can sue me. I loved the game, so the Christian community can sue me to
-Ethnine-
hehe
The majority are not aroused by it.
Disgust is quite another matter, and I most definitely think that you are mistaken that the majority are 'disgusted' by homosexuality. That's pretty sick.
As for 'a distortion of what sex was made for,' I might point out that the vast majority of sex between the vast majority of couples in the world is performed for pleasure and without the intention to procreate. How perverted.
To refer to homosexuality as a perversion, you must, by the same logic, consider not only contraception and all forms of non-procreative sexuality to be perverted, but also all products of self-awareness that don't contribute to the propagation of our genes. What an exhaustive list of human achievement that would be. You'd need to be not just a Luddite, but a furry hunter-gatherer well before the harnessing of fire.
Get a grip.
All generalizations are false, including this one. Mark Twain
The Hubris of the Left is as bad as the Theism of the Right.
This is truly getting out of control....who cares..what utter bullcrap. People fighting, bringing religion and politics into a video game. It is like what Fox News tried to do Mass Effect and that idiot lawyer does with GTA and other "violent" games. If you have a problem, don't play the game.
With violence, at least, you can have some interesting discussions about why the hell we try to make violence entertaining, who enjoys it and why, whether or not we ought to stimulate that desire, in what cases it is or isn't a desire being stimulated, et cetera....
But sex? Everyone enjoys it and we know perfectly well why. Nothing interesting here. I might even say there could hardly be anything more mundane and I'm always surprised we so often flip our lids over it.
I'll say just a few brief things.
(Things = Anything oyu may find offensive from swearing, sex, drugs, rock and roll...you name it, you hate it...its what I'm talking about.)
Long ago people got offended when things were done on stage, hey look nobody cares whether or not a woman is portraying a character because well...its theater.
Long ago people got offended when things were published in books, hey look...last I checked I read more gruesome stuff in 9th grade than show up in a video game any day.
Long ago people got offended when things were sung in songs and music. Yea...nobody cares...Read a book mutha fucka.
Long ago people got offended when things were shown in Movies and on Television and on the Radio. By and large the rating system solved that...YET AGAIN....we have channels for everybody.
Long ago people got offended when things started popping up on Chatrooms, Websites, etc. All accessible by our kids. TADA we have ratings and other things in place to "protect our kids"(that and its the internet).
Now people are btiching about Video Games. Sorry peeps, Wolfenstein 3D, Nazi's, Blood, Death, Gore, Guns, Prostitutes. Duke Nuke'em, Quake...you name it...GTA...all these games have similar issues. Honestly It will become acceptable like everything else.
Whatever the medium, anything and everything that hits a target audience can and should be used as an avenue to present hot-buttion social issues. Why? Because that is the place where that target audience is able to most easily digest the information. Is that avenue for everyone? NO. But why limit ourselves? Why hide behind lies? Why shelter your kid so they don't know what a Penis is till they reach the age of 16? Why? Because people are bigoted idiots...thats the only reason to shelter.
Knowledge is power, let us teach our kids properly so they don't grow up to shoot people, so they don't grow up to have a child at 14 cause they knocked up their girlfriend while having unprotected sex. LETS EDUCATE OUR CHILDREN SO THAT THEY MAY DRIVE US TOWARDS EXPANSION OF KNOWLEDGE.
Sorry everyone...I'd like to not think about the fact that 200 years from now people might still live in trailers. I'd like to hope that we would get smarter and get beyond this Political Correctness bullshit or the Ultra-Social-Conservativism which threatens to revert our society back 100 years just because two dudes wanna kiss each other. (Psst....Greece...Rome...Yanno..B.C. Era...happened ALL THE DAMN TIME.).
End result - Yea, lets use Video games as a medium for the hot button issues...and lets inform the wackjobs that they can go to the field...sit on it...and ROTATE. And you know what, that statement was Racy at the time and used on Happy Days a lot. Get real people...
Uhh dude...asteroid...dude...asteroid!!!!!!
Why all of a sudden this is all over the news?
I'm waiting for the part where people say President Obama endorsed this game.
I guess no one plays that "Second life" game or has? It is some raunchy EA shit going on in there, I tell you.
Well, I guess when The Old Republic comes out, there will be some Sith and Jedi characters using saber hilts for other things rather than fighting with them/ face palm (George don't do it man)!
Hate to further derail the thread, and I find it imperative to comment on the last sentence.
Me and all but 1 friend from post-grad days, have left countries, me for decades. Not that moon is fuller on the other side, but that I can face it honestly and tell myself, "this stinks" in face of whoever I hate.
I hate the hypocracy at home. We go to church every weekend, and the priest is sleeping with the 10 year old kids. Some of us know it and still talks through him to god. Same for our "industry regulations". The greedy and the biggest gang up to rape the small companies and they help formulate business regulation policies they themselves hire tons of lawyers to find legal loopholes to get around.
If I am going to be a business man, I straight up tell my clients, this is my cut b/c I need to pay for my rental and my off hour MMO sub. Pay or get lost. I do not pretend I did my part, squander 90% of my company's fortune and blackmail the admin for billions of dollars of rescue funds simply b/c I screwed up big time and threaten to rock the economy. In the places I now travel, if I screw up my business, I will be begging on the streets.